‘Tim’ was a brilliant contributor on this forum by all accounts. I am told that he and SeanT were an impressive double act.
Both are/were intelligent contributors who could (ahem) go too far. Put the two together and it would be like putting Farage and Corbyn into a sack and throwing it into the nearest canal.
There's going to be some fascinating discussions between Labour MPs from now until their return to Westminster. Will it amount to anything? Who knows. But it is their last chance. Being widely flagged as now sitting representing an anti-semitic party is surely the ultimate thing these so-far supine MPs cannot acquiesce in. If they don't take this opportunity to require drastic change - and that means widespread exclusons - then the party will rightly deserve the tag of being the plaything of the thick, the mouthy, the ignorant of history and the downright malevolent.
It's also going to be interesting to see how Christians in the Labour party respond.
Well indeed. Not sure if there is still much of a Chapel tradtion in Labour (in a non-Trade Union sense of the word), but those that are must be appalled.
It now owes more to McCluskey than to Methodism?
Please don’t tar Methodism by association with the contemporary Labour Party.
I wouldn't say that any particular denomination is 'associated' with any political party nowadays, but it is my experience that many Christians are a little left-wing. Shall we say, they find more to complain about in a Conservative government than a Labour government. I haven't heard any reactions from Christian circles yet to all these accusations of anti-semitism, that's all.
Yes, that is true, regrettably. I have never grasped the link between religiousity and leftism (though it certainly exists) - socialism and social democracy should surely be about celebrating the human rather than an unproven (and ostensibly vindictive) deity.
Poll of Labour members: witter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Seems like Southam Observers opinions are very much in the minority in the Labour movement these days....I think Trump has a phrase for this...SADDDDDDDD
Using 'only 50%' in the context of 'compared with 26%' is slightly weird.
Indeed it is downright odd, and I say that as someone who supports Scots independence. My anecdotal evidence is that many Labourites are more sympathetic to that cause than they once were.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
We hear quite enough from the organ grinder about xenophobic lies, thanks, the monkey's input is not required. Impressive word ”mendacity,” though. Respect.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
I was one of the 26%. Don't think the UK as as wonderful as many of you on here think.
No. I've deleted my post though, as could get this site and OMG into trouble, as very close to the wind. Maybe you should delete too.
It is touching, this concern for OGH's potential liability for defamatory posts, but also misconceived. All he has to do is take down dodgy posts within I think 5 days of being asked to do so and hand over the poster's details (email and IP address) and he is in the clear. It's you you need to worry about, not him.
No. I've deleted my post though, as could get this site and OMG into trouble, as very close to the wind. Maybe you should delete too.
It is touching, this concern for OGH's potential liability for defamatory posts, but also misconceived. All he has to do is take down dodgy posts within I think 5 days of being asked to do so and hand over the poster's details (email and IP address) and he is in the clear. It's you you need to worry about, not him.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
I thought it was rather a high figure.
Yep.
The handwringing, perhaps as much as the hectoring, doesn't endear the left to the electorate
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
I thought it was rather a high figure.
Yep.
The handwringing, perhaps as much as the hectoring, doesn't endear the left to the electorate
Since Jezza & Tezza are moe level pegging in the polls, what is it that you think doesn't endear the right to the electorate?
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
I thought it was rather a high figure.
Yep.
The handwringing, perhaps as much as the hectoring, doesn't endear the left to the electorate
Since Jezza & Tezza are moe level pegging in the polls, what is it that you think doesn't endear the right to the electorate?
Probably not for me to say, but two of the biggest issues raised to me on the doorstep about the left are that they seem unpatriotic and often want to tell people what to do.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
I was one of the 26%. Don't think the UK as as wonderful as many of you on here think.
One doesn't need to think the UK is wonderful to think, on balance, it is a force for good more than bad, particularly when you have to judge these things in the context of others.
One of my brothers once remarked he could think of nothing, present day or historical, to be proud about the UK. An extreme view that, certainly, but whatever our faults there is plenty to be proud of, and more generally there is at the least a case to be made we do more good than harm, albeit there's been some pretty darn big harm. Unless the view of us as bad is in entirely irrational it's a matter of opinion I'm not getting too worked up about, frankly. What does gripe me is when people demand a higher standard of us than others, judging our international relations with a keen eye for motivation and effect while excusing others. But it's never going to end up black and white, and someone judging it as closer to white than black is not saying it is all good, no more than (I hope) someone saying it is closer to black than white is saying it is all bad.
The Sugar tweet goes on. Worth reading the comments that follow it. Another fine day out for Jezza.
Very funny. Out of interest it is Prince Paul of Yugoslavia who was photoshopped into jezz. Sugar missed a trick in not giving him a Russian hat, though.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
It's over to the electorate on 3rd May.
The electorate never let us down. It's not like a local election campaign is going to fire people up so much like the GE did (in the opposite direction) that the most likely expected outcome of 'good night for Labour' will change. Where Corbyn's popular you use that to win, where he's not focus on local Labour values and the polarised political debate to ensure a relatively good night. Simples. It's not as though overall the Tories deserve a good night anyway, though I'm sure some local areas deserve it.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
It's over to the electorate on 3rd May.
Well, some of the electorate. No elections near me.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
It's over to the electorate on 3rd May.
Well, some of the electorate. No elections near me.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
It's over to the electorate on 3rd May.
Well, some of the electorate. No elections near me.
Yeah, I don't have a vote either.
Let's hope those who have the vote have the good sense to....
The Sugar tweet goes on. Worth reading the comments that follow it. Another fine day out for Jezza.
Sir Alan has been reported to the plod....
It would be hilarious if Owen talked Jezza into suing. He'd lose, due to fair comment and Sugar would get the opportunity to explain why it's a reasonable interpretation of Corbyn's actions to joke about him finding himself next to Nazis by mistake in court.
Mind you, the Labour membership is so morally lost they'd probably take it as evidence Jews controlled the courts.
There's going to be some fascinating discussions between Labour MPs from now until their return to Westminster. Will it amount to anything? Who knows. But it is their last chance. Being widely flagged as now sitting representing an anti-semitic party is surely the ultimate thing these so-far supine MPs cannot acquiesce in. If they don't take this opportunity to require drastic change - and that means widespread exclusons - then the party will rightly deserve the tag of being the plaything of the thick, the mouthy, the ignorant of history and the downright malevolent.
It's also going to be interesting to see how Christians in the Labour party respond.
Well indeed. Not sure if there is still much of a Chapel tradtion in Labour (in a non-Trade Union sense of the word), but those that are must be appalled.
It now owes more to McCluskey than to Methodism?
Please don’t tar Methodism by association with the contemporary Labour Party.
I wouldn't say th's all.
According to research on 2017 general election voting Anglicans were twice as likely to vote Tory as Labour and amongst other Christian denominations it was pretty evenly split.
Many may be left wing but not necessarily most given CofE is the largest denomination by affiliation if not church going.
Thank you, that's very interesting. I thought the Tory party at prayer label had slipped hugely, from what I've heard among those circles, but not so much from the look of that.
According to that polling Labour has a narrow lead with Catholics, the Tories have a bigger lead with Anglicans, Methodists and Baptists and those from the Church of Scotland had pluralities supporting the Tories though other Christian groups backed Labour.
Muslims overwhelmingly backed Labour with 85% supporting Corbyn's party while the Tories had their strongest backing from any religious denomination or religious believers amongst Jews where 63% voted Tory, 5% higher than the 58% of Anglicans who voted Tory.
Labour had a plurality of the vote amongst those belonging to other religions at 48% and amongst those with no religious affiliation 47% of whom voted Labour.
The Sugar tweet goes on. Worth reading the comments that follow it. Another fine day out for Jezza.
Sir Alan has been reported to the plod....
I can see all the people posting 'Reported' but I'm not sure what for.
I can imagine Jezza could try to concoct a defamation case, but what criminal law might Sir Alan have breached?
That new one that guy with the dog was done for I imagine
Gross offence or whatever
The hate crime legislation covers hostility to the victim's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity. While it is arguably overbroad, I don't think it's sufficiently so to include Jezza as a potential victim.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
It's over to the electorate on 3rd May.
Well, some of the electorate. No elections near me.
Most councils outside London in England are up next May, this year is all London councils which were last up in 2014 and about a third of councils in the rest of England
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
It's over to the electorate on 3rd May.
Well, some of the electorate. No elections near me.
Yeah, I don't have a vote either.
Let's hope those who have the vote have the good sense to....
Rest assured that vile anti semitic scum aka Labour will not be getting the vote of anyone in my house
Well Sir Alan is off my Christmas card list.. devastating news for him I'm sure.
Interesting statistics HYUFD thanks.
Not sure the Labour member polls should be massively surprising. Although I was curious about the small percentage of members who seemed to think everybody was a force for good in the world (or at least some would have answered that) I may disagree with them but I bet they are just the nicest people who think everyone is wonderful....
As to the other stuff not surprised to see a lot of support for Corbyn, I'd be surprised by a different answer to be honest. Unless he decides or his health forces him Corbyn will be fighting the next election, the chances of him getting overthrown pretty much ended as the results came in election night. Obviously not impossible but the chance of him being overthrown / kicked out is tiny.
Edit: looking at the religious affiliation my biggest suprise was Anglican/ CofE being not far off Judaism for Tory Labour results, although I guess I'm just underestimating the link between the former and the Tories.
Well Sir Alan is off my Christmas card list.. devastating news for him I'm sure.
Interesting statistics HYUFD thanks.
Not sure the Labour member polls should be massively surprising. Although I was curious about the small percentage of members who seemed to think everybody was a force for good in the world (or at least some would have answered that) I may disagree with them but I bet they are just the nicest people who think everyone is wonderful....
As to the other stuff not surprised to see a lot of support for Corbyn, I'd be surprised by a different answer to be honest. Unless he decides or his health forces him Corbyn will be fighting the next election, the chances of him getting overthrown pretty much ended as the results came in election night. Obviously not impossible but the chance of him being overthrown / kicked out is tiny.
Edit: looking at the religious affiliation my biggest suprise was Anglican/ CofE being not far off Judaism for Tory Labour results, although I guess I'm just underestimating the link between the former and the Tories.
Poll of Labour members: htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21 htps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
Not that there was likely to be any action from them, but realising how popular Corbyn still is will surely put paid to anything more than grumbling from his opponents. Labour members like him, and they think what he does and what he says is great, end of.
Pretty much.
Most Labour members have, I'd think, never actually met anyone inside *or* outside the party expressing openly antisemitic views (they are just very rare in today's Britain - people questioning the Holocaust seem not just revolting but as weird as flat-earthers), so we're all going by the well-known cases in the papers, and it therefore seems an important but not widespread issue.
26% of Labour members think the UK is a force for ebad in the world. Very interesting.
Yes, I was surprised how low that figure was, given our recent dismal behaviour - throwing two fingers up at our neighbours and partners in Europe after a xenophobic campaign of unprecedented mendacity.
Poster misleadingly saying the EU's borders will be close to war zones -> unprecedented mendacity. The shadow chancellor having supported a terrorist bombing campaign -> easily excusable. You people are despicable.
This doesn’t seem to have got much publicity, but perhaps Cambridge Analytica didn’t use “stolen” data after all...
In the document, Global Science Research, Mr Kogan’s company, outlined terms and conditions that asked users for permission to collect information, including their likes and status updates as well as those of their Facebook friends. The terms stated that the company would have the right to “edit, copy, disseminate, publish, transfer, append or merge with other databases, sell, license . . . and archive your contribution and data”.
Comments
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/30/civilisation-rooted-judaism-jeremy-corbyn-first-mainstream-democratic/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43598431
‘Tim’ was a brilliant contributor on this forum by all accounts. I am told that he and SeanT were an impressive double act.
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833647359504385?s=21
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833724245291008?s=21
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/979833734034751488?s=21
So...
(and I'm just running this up the flagpole, see who salutes)
...can we do that?
I mean, there's a map of the canal network, and burlap is cheap, and it's only technically illegal, right...?
LAB 1338 (+278)
CON 441 (-171)
LD 81 (-35)
GRN 0 (-12)
UKIP 0 (-4)
The only shift outside those five parties being Labour regaining Tower Hamlets First (/its successors) seats
Because I was not a Jew.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/30/isil-beatles-members-say-fair-trial-impossible-uk/
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/mar/30/colm-toibin-interview-brooklyn-brexit
Apparently Brexit is 'sheer foolishness', but asking people to vote twice because the EU didn't like the result the first time is not.
The handwringing, perhaps as much as the hectoring, doesn't endear the left to the electorate
Time to get out guys.
One of my brothers once remarked he could think of nothing, present day or historical, to be proud about the UK. An extreme view that, certainly, but whatever our faults there is plenty to be proud of, and more generally there is at the least a case to be made we do more good than harm, albeit there's been some pretty darn big harm. Unless the view of us as bad is in entirely irrational it's a matter of opinion I'm not getting too worked up about, frankly. What does gripe me is when people demand a higher standard of us than others, judging our international relations with a keen eye for motivation and effect while excusing others. But it's never going to end up black and white, and someone judging it as closer to white than black is not saying it is all good, no more than (I hope) someone saying it is closer to black than white is saying it is all bad.
I can imagine Jezza could try to concoct a defamation case, but what criminal law might Sir Alan have breached?
Gross offence or whatever
Night all.
Mind you, the Labour membership is so morally lost they'd probably take it as evidence Jews controlled the courts.
Muslims overwhelmingly backed Labour with 85% supporting Corbyn's party while the Tories had their strongest backing from any religious denomination or religious believers amongst Jews where 63% voted Tory, 5% higher than the 58% of Anglicans who voted Tory.
Labour had a plurality of the vote amongst those belonging to other religions at 48% and amongst those with no religious affiliation 47% of whom voted Labour.
http://www.brin.ac.uk/2017/religious-affiliation-and-party-choice-at-the-2017-general-election/
While it is arguably overbroad, I don't think it's sufficiently so to include Jezza as a potential victim.
A foolish libel suit is a possibility.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22835688/broad-seeks-buzzing-feeling-lone-hours-nets
Currently has figures of 3 for 14.
Interesting statistics HYUFD thanks.
Not sure the Labour member polls should be massively surprising. Although I was curious about the small percentage of members who seemed to think everybody was a force for good in the world (or at least some would have answered that) I may disagree with them but I bet they are just the nicest people who think everyone is wonderful....
As to the other stuff not surprised to see a lot of support for Corbyn, I'd be surprised by a different answer to be honest. Unless he decides or his health forces him Corbyn will be fighting the next election, the chances of him getting overthrown pretty much ended as the results came in election night. Obviously not impossible but the chance of him being overthrown / kicked out is tiny.
Edit: looking at the religious affiliation my biggest suprise was Anglican/ CofE being not far off Judaism for Tory Labour results, although I guess I'm just underestimating the link between the former and the Tories.
I never thought I'd be feeling a twinge of sympathy for Warner.
Most Labour members have, I'd think, never actually met anyone inside *or* outside the party expressing openly antisemitic views (they are just very rare in today's Britain - people questioning the Holocaust seem not just revolting but as weird as flat-earthers), so we're all going by the well-known cases in the papers, and it therefore seems an important but not widespread issue.
In the document, Global Science Research, Mr Kogan’s company, outlined terms and conditions that asked users for permission to collect information, including their likes and status updates as well as those of their Facebook friends. The terms stated that the company would have the right to “edit, copy, disseminate, publish, transfer, append or merge with other databases, sell, license . . . and archive your contribution and data”.
https://www.ft.com/content/6ef3766a-3368-11e8-ac48-10c6fdc22f03
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/31/mcdonnell-calls-for-lord-sugar-to-delete-corbyn-hitler-tweet
Somewhat brave of Sir Alan, but newspapers have republished it. Watching Corbyn or Labour trying to sue him over it would be popcorn time on steroids!