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  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    As many as 13% of the population want us to be the Puerto Rico of the EU? They must all post on PB.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
  • A few more polls like that and TM will have measured the mood of the nation with her unequivocable comment today that we are out of the customs union.

    The other thing that has happened today is to make the media contrasts the two options and out of the single market and custom union does come over as honouring the vote to leave the EU
  • IanB2 said:

    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
    O dear - panic sets in
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited February 2018
    Absolute wrong'un...

    The Parliamentary Standards Commissioner’s investigation into Keith Vaz remains suspended on medical grounds. The MPs watchdog says Vaz is too sick to face scrutiny…

    Funny that his constituents keep noticing him out and about in rude health.

    https://order-order.com/2018/02/05/sick-investigated-keith-vaz-seen/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.
  • IanB2 said:

    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
    "loaded" = "I don't like the result"?

    How would you have phrased it (in two words)?
  • Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
  • On healthcare, I have no idea what Japan's system is but maybe we should investigate what they do?
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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Charles said:

    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:
    You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
    7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.

    See the problem?
    I spoke to someone in the haulage industry about this back pre-Christmas. Lorries already park up for an hour or two to wait for processing that takes a couple of minutes. The seven minutes can be fitted in the same timeframe - you just need more staff
    Really?

    Colour me doubtful

    (See my previous post about 'just do this')
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:
    You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
    7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.

    See the problem?
    I spoke to someone in the haulage industry about this back pre-Christmas. Lorries already park up for an hour or two to wait for processing that takes a couple of minutes. The seven minutes can be fitted in the same timeframe - you just need more staff
    Really?

    Colour me doubtful

    (See my previous post about 'just do this')
    His conclusion was that it was going to f*ck his company but he voted Brexit anyway.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
  • @Anorak Given how unpopular Blair is, it’s highly unlikely he’d be on 65%. In fact, I doubt Labour have any potential leaders who would get them to 65%. Right now few politicians exist who would be able to bridge the divide.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,799
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    IanB2 said:

    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
    I have some sympathy with that view, because this is a complex issue. Before anyone can be expected to have a view, they should understand how Rules of Origin work, the difference between a customs union and a free trade area, and also how protectionist/free trade other parts of the world are.

    But it's hard to capture all that in a simple question. And it's very hard to design a question that's not loaded in some way.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Can we go back to talking about Grid Girls?

    I'm just devoutly thankful that the twentieth century fad of treating adult women as autonomous moral agents has been put behind us. And I am deeply confident that putting children behind the scenes in the most glamorous sport in the world is absolutely fine because there ain't no paedophiles in Formula 1, just like there ain't no paedophiles in professional football. No, sirree.
  • @Anorak Given how unpopular Blair is, it’s highly unlikely he’d be on 65%. In fact, I doubt Labour have any potential leaders who would get them to 65%. Right now few politicians exist who would be able to bridge the divide.

    JRM - (duck)
  • I can’t believe this grid girls debate is still on going. I had to laugh at that YouGov poll on the whole issue though. Judging by how upset so many are about it on twitter, you’d expect to see 90% against the change.
  • @Anorak Given how unpopular Blair is, it’s highly unlikely he’d be on 65%. In fact, I doubt Labour have any potential leaders who would get them to 65%. Right now few politicians exist who would be able to bridge the divide.

    JRM - (duck)
    I doubt it. Especially since he’s a pretty hardcore Brexiteer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,818
    What's kind of interesting about that poll is that people do seem to have internalised the idea that the point of Brexit is to do trade deals.
  • @Anorak Given how unpopular Blair is, it’s highly unlikely he’d be on 65%. In fact, I doubt Labour have any potential leaders who would get them to 65%. Right now few politicians exist who would be able to bridge the divide.

    JRM - (duck)
    I doubt it. Especially since he’s a pretty hardcore Brexiteer.
    It was partly in jest but who knows these days
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,396
    The correct answer should be 95% Don't Know. I would put myself in the other 5%, not because I am cleverer but because I have wasted far too much time investigating this topic. People understandably prefer to say something positive rather than appear to be stupid.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,135
    FF43 said:

    The correct answer should be 95% Don't Know. I would put myself in the other 5%, not because I am cleverer but because I have wasted far too much time investigating this topic. People understandably prefer to say something positive rather than appear to be stupid.
    Why? Just because people don’t know all the nuances doesn’t mean they can’t have an opinion about which way to go.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Hayward predicts Corbyn will be a winner

    Labour members across the borough borders in both Westminster and Barnet are trying to keep a lid on their growing belief that they could turn those two Tory councils into Labour-controlled authorities at May’s local elections. The quietly confident approach is proving difficult to contain, however, and I’ve spoken to one or two members in both boroughs who think once unthinkable victories are now within sight."

    https://richardosley.com/2018/01/02/hayward-predicts-corbyn-will-be-a-winner/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Yes, it started in America, but is everywhere now.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910

    I can’t believe this grid girls debate is still on going. I had to laugh at that YouGov poll on the whole issue though. Judging by how upset so many are about it on twitter, you’d expect to see 90% against the change.

    As ever, twitter is not a microcosm of society, but of itself.
  • FF43 said:

    The correct answer should be 95% Don't Know. I would put myself in the other 5%, not because I am cleverer but because I have wasted far too much time investigating this topic. People understandably prefer to say something positive rather than appear to be stupid.
    Denial is your comfort blanket
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
    I have some sympathy with that view, because this is a complex issue. Before anyone can be expected to have a view, they should understand how Rules of Origin work, the difference between a customs union and a free trade area, and also how protectionist/free trade other parts of the world are.

    But it's hard to capture all that in a simple question. And it's very hard to design a question that's not loaded in some way.
    I agree with this, but would add, they should also have actually exported and imported something.

    I am constantly amazed at what can be achieved. I can usually get a package to CA, at a push, in 24 hours, for example.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,910
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:
    You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
    7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.

    See the problem?
    I spoke to someone in the haulage industry about this back pre-Christmas. Lorries already park up for an hour or two to wait for processing that takes a couple of minutes. The seven minutes can be fitted in the same timeframe - you just need more staff
    Really?

    Colour me doubtful

    (See my previous post about 'just do this')
    His conclusion was that it was going to f*ck his company but he voted Brexit anyway.
    I was replying to the 'you just need more staff' comment, which is of the sort made by people who have only ever done management and have never actually done anything practical. ;)
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
  • jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    Who could have predicted that....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055
    Evening all :)

    Curious to see so many people claiming Labour would be miles ahead with another leader or a Blair-esque figure. Well, such a figure might be more telegenic than Corbyn which wouldn't be difficult but politics doesn't work like that.

    The public mood is not to dwell on the result of 23/6/16 but to see what the Conservative Government can and will deliver in terms of meeting the various concerns of and reasons why people voted to LEAVE and REMAIN. That some of these objectives are mutually conflicting is something of which the Government is well aware but to mangle the old saying "you can please some of the people all the time but you'll never please all of the people all of the time."

    For now, though, nothing has changed for most people since 23/6/16 and with the transition period likely to last until the end of 2020, the truth is for most people nothing will change. Why then should there be a substantial shift in political allegiances at this time ? We are in a holding pattern - until we know the shape of the A50 Treaty we won't know if May's fragile coalition will hang together or fall apart.

    The other aspect for the Conservatives is that until a) May is shown to be a clear loser and b) someone else is shown to be a clear winner nothing much is going to change.
  • PeterC said:

    TGOHF said:

    Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?

    JRM policy on abortion is not "medieval Papist". While he personally supports the teaching of the Church, as do millions of others, he accepts that ending abortion rights will never command a consensus and he will not seek to impose it.

    JRM supports the teachings of the church on some issues.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    Who could have predicted that....
    Irony meter on overload.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,721
    Charles said:

    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:
    You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
    7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.

    See the problem?
    I spoke to someone in the haulage industry about this back pre-Christmas. Lorries already park up for an hour or two to wait for processing that takes a couple of minutes. The seven minutes can be fitted in the same timeframe - you just need more staff
    The point is not that you need "a few staff", its the fact that you need them in every port and airport, and you need them all at once. From advert to first day recruitment takes aboyt six months, and we have just under fourteen months to do it in. The Dieppe raid fucked up because the tanks could not cope with a shingle beach: a simple thing that could have been dealt with but was not, with consequent slaughter. I am sick unto death of flibbertigibbets saying it'll be alright on the night and thinking if you throw it together at the last minute it'll sort itself out. That's never been true and I swear to goodness this current shower couldn't find their arse with both hands and a map.

  • RIP brussels airlines - the Lufthansa board have sacked the CEO & CFO and are merging it with eurowings.....

    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/959761297087877120
  • Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
    I have some sympathy with that view, because this is a complex issue. Before anyone can be expected to have a view, they should understand how Rules of Origin work, the difference between a customs union and a free trade area, and also how protectionist/free trade other parts of the world are.

    But it's hard to capture all that in a simple question. And it's very hard to design a question that's not loaded in some way.
    I agree with this, but would add, they should also have actually exported and imported something.

    I am constantly amazed at what can be achieved. I can usually get a package to CA, at a push, in 24 hours, for example.

    Depends how big the package is! When we do conferences over there, we need to give ourselves a fair bit of time because there is always a risk of stuff sitting in customs. I guess we'll have that in the EU now, unless we open an office in one of the member states and run our conference business from there.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meaningless survey - "customs controls" sounds like a good thing (which of course in some respects they are). But the survey is meaningless with a loaded question like that.
    I have some sympathy with that view, because this is a complex issue. Before anyone can be expected to have a view, they should understand how Rules of Origin work, the difference between a customs union and a free trade area, and also how protectionist/free trade other parts of the world are.

    But it's hard to capture all that in a simple question. And it's very hard to design a question that's not loaded in some way.
    I agree with this, but would add, they should also have actually exported and imported something.

    I am constantly amazed at what can be achieved. I can usually get a package to CA, at a push, in 24 hours, for example.

    Depends how big the package is! When we do conferences over there, we need to give ourselves a fair bit of time because there is always a risk of stuff sitting in customs. I guess we'll have that in the EU now, unless we open an office in one of the member states and run our conference business from there.

    Of course - there are lots of variables, and it helps that I sell books.

    But even so, remarkable that I can get something half way across the world and cleared US customs in the time it takes to get a parcel from Poole to Glasgow.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,721
    Oh, I'm on a train by the way (waves)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Quick, switch to bitcoin... Oh.
  • jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I have taken a 50% hit in the value of my cryptos.

    Luckily I invested, er, £50.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    DavidL said:

    dyingswan said:

    Anorak said:

    DavidL said:

    philiph said:

    ‪Gold standard pollster speaks. ‬

    https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960

    Cons best score since July.

    I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
    Its the lack of an alternative. Obviously.
    Tony Blair would have been on 65% by now. Not joking.
    These poll increases for the Conservatives are extraordinary given the barrage of anti Government propaganda on BBC,Sky News and Channel 4. I deduce that the electorate are saying: "Just get on with it. No election. Just deliver Brexit. Let Mrs May do what we elected her to do. And by the way we don't trust the other lot to do any better." For what it is worth I think that the British people are behaving, as ever, with characteristic common sense and calm. Unlike our media.
    The polls are clearly being distorted by the number of people working away from home in Kent building the world's largest lorry park. Or something.
    Fear of Corbyn, support for Brexit, and economic wellbeing is keeping Conservative support at quite a high level.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,759
    This government is a remarkable mess. Tory party seems increasingly broken and unable to govern in national interest .

    Starting to think some kind of national government is going to happen.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,864
    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    I doubt it. Very few people bought Bitcoins at their peak. (I thank whoever it was who bought my bitcoins from me the weekend before Christmas.)
  • Alistair said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Quick, switch to bitcoin... Oh.
    Nah, you want to get your money into Tether....cos it is backed 1:1 by USB (cough cough bullshit) ;-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    My capita punt going ok so far :)
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    viewcode said:

    Oh, I'm on a train by the way (waves)

    this is a train that floats?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    RIP brussels airlines - the Lufthansa board have sacked the CEO & CFO and are merging it with eurowings.....

    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/959761297087877120

    Oh FFS. Said as someone who works in price comparison. Keeping carrier info aligned is an absolute nightmare.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,775

    RIP brussels airlines - the Lufthansa board have sacked the CEO & CFO and are merging it with eurowings.....

    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/959761297087877120

    Brussels airlines were always more expensive than the KLM / Air France alternative when I've flown across Europe. How does that tally with rebranding as Eurowings...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited February 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    I doubt it. Very few people bought Bitcoins at their peak. (I thank whoever it was who bought my bitcoins from me the weekend before Christmas.)
    There is always a mug out there...

    Having done some deep dives of a range of "alt-coins", it is incredible how many of these have got any sort of funding. So many of the projects are just utter duds / scams.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    My capita punt going ok so far :)
    Did you buy recently and are long, or sold short before that?
  • Jonathan said:

    This government is a remarkable mess. Tory party seems increasingly broken and unable to govern in national interest .

    Starting to think some kind of national government is going to happen.

    Commanding 40% + in the present climate indicates the public do not share your view
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,721

    viewcode said:

    Oh, I'm on a train by the way (waves)

    this is a train that floats?

    Thinks.

    No.

    No it isn't.

    However, it is a train that trains. Or possibly rails... :)

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,759

    Jonathan said:

    This government is a remarkable mess. Tory party seems increasingly broken and unable to govern in national interest .

    Starting to think some kind of national government is going to happen.

    Commanding 40% + in the present climate indicates the public do not share your view
    Polls irrelevant. This is about having a coherent executable policy you can get through parliament. Frictionless trade outside the customs union is a fantasy today.


    Anyway we know you need to be twenty points ahead going into a campaign to scrape in as a minority.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Alistair said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Quick, switch to bitcoin... Oh.
    Nah, you want to get your money into Tether....cos it is backed 1:1 by USB (cough cough bullshit) ;-)
    LOL, backed by USB is quite a good description of cryptocurrency generally, but (now the edit window has closed) you may have meant USD.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited February 2018
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Alistair said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Quick, switch to bitcoin... Oh.
    Nah, you want to get your money into Tether....cos it is backed 1:1 by USB (cough cough bullshit) ;-)
    LOL, backed by USB is quite a good description of cryptocurrency generally, but (now the edit window has closed) you may have meant USD.
    Yes...wonderful iPhone auto-correct. Although in the case of Tether it is definitely backed by nothing more than a USB, despite their claims.
  • Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    This government is a remarkable mess. Tory party seems increasingly broken and unable to govern in national interest .

    Starting to think some kind of national government is going to happen.

    Commanding 40% + in the present climate indicates the public do not share your view
    Polls irrelevant. This is about having a coherent executable policy you can get through parliament. Frictionless trade outside the customs union is a fantasy today.


    Anyway we know you need to be twenty points ahead going into a campaign to scrape in as a minority.
    Maybe - but TM has made a decision and may well have captured the public mood (not the pro EU media and journalists)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,818
    Jonathan said:

    Starting to think some kind of national government is going to happen.

    Davis Davis clearly sees himself as some kind of R. MacDonald. Not sure he's modelling himself on the right one though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    My capita punt going ok so far :)
    Did you buy recently and are long, or sold short before that?
    Bought 783 at 157p
  • rawzerrawzer Posts: 189


    Barnesian said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg is like an amalgam of Boris Johnson and Daniel Hannan but far more politically interesting than either of them. He's a danger to Brexit because his clarity of argument will inevitably lead to him making the case that it is a pointless waste of time.

    If he's nimble enough he can corner the market for true believers, and then outmanoeuvre everyone by being the first to back Remain.

    I think that is Boris's trump card - after the members have elected him leader.
    Having just finished All Out War, it’s fascinating to observe the “journey” Brexiters have made in the past 18 months.

    David Davis campaigned with Farage. He’s now thought to want a very soft Brexit and is making common cause with Hammond.

    Boris, meanwhile, was on the fence and thought a first referendum might be a way of extracting concessions before a second vote. He’s now aligned himself with the hard-as-fuck Brexit group.

    Davis presumably has been mugged by reality, whereas Boris in the FO is free to figure out whatever position might be the best route to the top job.
    Maybe would have been better to have Boris strapped into the delivery side of Brexit. Davis, Fox et al maybe see their reputations as directly tied to success or fail of the outcome, while Boris is free to keep moving to a harder and harder position so whatever finally gets implemented, if it fails, only failed because it wasn't hard enough and therefore not his fault. Reminds of Tony Benn saying the Labour Party lost in 83 because it manifesto wasn't left wing enough.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,396
    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    The correct answer should be 95% Don't Know. I would put myself in the other 5%, not because I am cleverer but because I have wasted far too much time investigating this topic. People understandably prefer to say something positive rather than appear to be stupid.
    Why? Just because people don’t know all the nuances doesn’t mean they can’t have an opinion about which way to go.
    Respectfully, if someone asks me the circumstances under which you should initiate heart surgery, I defer my answer. Whoever put together that survey question clearly doesn't understand trade policy issues either as the options aren't correctly described.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,135
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    My capita punt going ok so far :)
    Did you buy recently and are long, or sold short before that?
    Bought 783 at 157p
    Thought you were talking about bitcoin for a moment there :o
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Quick, switch to bitcoin... Oh.
    Nah, you want to get your money into Tether....cos it is backed 1:1 by USB (cough cough bullshit) ;-)
    Good plan. Oh since I started composing this post another 100 million Tether have been created. And again...
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    FF43 said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    The correct answer should be 95% Don't Know. I would put myself in the other 5%, not because I am cleverer but because I have wasted far too much time investigating this topic. People understandably prefer to say something positive rather than appear to be stupid.
    Why? Just because people don’t know all the nuances doesn’t mean they can’t have an opinion about which way to go.
    Respectfully, if someone asks me the circumstances under which you should initiate heart surgery, I defer my answer. Whoever put together that survey question clearly doesn't understand trade policy issues either as the options aren't correctly described.
    But it's a poll to find out what people's opinions are. That matters politically, no matter how ill-informed they are. It's not like yougov is intending to sell this as expert advice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,929
    Another one who can't punctuate.

  • BBC reporting US stock falls due to prospect of higher interest rates
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    edited February 2018
    Jonathan said:

    This government is a remarkable mess. Tory party seems increasingly broken and unable to govern in national interest .

    Starting to think some kind of national government is going to happen.

    Just astroturfing in the wind.

    There was just this same artificial 'mess' over the Article 50 law suit, the James Chapman new party, the 'we must stay in the single market 'cos Umunna et al' rigmarole.

    It would be a lot easier if Remainer MPs just accept that they've lost all the arguments already...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    I doubt it. Very few people bought Bitcoins at their peak. (I thank whoever it was who bought my bitcoins from me the weekend before Christmas.)
    Surely a decent amount of fictional money in the Cryptos?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,135
    FF43 said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    The correct answer should be 95% Don't Know. I would put myself in the other 5%, not because I am cleverer but because I have wasted far too much time investigating this topic. People understandably prefer to say something positive rather than appear to be stupid.
    Why? Just because people don’t know all the nuances doesn’t mean they can’t have an opinion about which way to go.
    Respectfully, if someone asks me the circumstances under which you should initiate heart surgery, I defer my answer. Whoever put together that survey question clearly doesn't understand trade policy issues either as the options aren't correctly described.
    How would you conduct elections then? Only a very small number of people understand the full implications of what they are voting for. I think people are allowed to marke a call regarding which direction the country goes.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    The main takeaway i have from that photo is that Barnier is quite tall.

    Oh and Starmer looks like he's just realised we're actually leaving the SM.... :)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,135
    Consorting with the enemy? I see Corbyn is up to his old tricks... :p
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    My capita punt going ok so far :)
    Did you buy recently and are long, or sold short before that?
    Bought 783 at 157p
    Unfortunately my giving you advice would be, er, illegal, so let's leave it there shall we?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    The main takeaway i have from that photo is that Barnier is quite tall.

    Oh and Starmer looks like he's just realised we're actually leaving the SM.... :)
    Starmer always has a rabbit in headlights look about him
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    PeterC said:

    TGOHF said:

    Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?

    JRM policy on abortion is not "medieval Papist". While he personally supports the teaching of the Church, as do millions of others, he accepts that ending abortion rights will never command a consensus and he will not seek to impose it.
    JRM supports the teachings of the church on some issues.
    That line didn`t work for Tim Farron, did it?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,759
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    The risk from a crypto collapse isn't so much to individuals but to banks, since you can bet that one way or another a lot of the potential losses will end up sitting with them.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,759
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    The main takeaway i have from that photo is that Barnier is quite tall.

    Oh and Starmer looks like he's just realised we're actually leaving the SM.... :)
    Starmer always has a rabbit in headlights look about him
    Intelligent man.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,720
    PClipp said:

    PeterC said:

    TGOHF said:

    Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?

    JRM policy on abortion is not "medieval Papist". While he personally supports the teaching of the Church, as do millions of others, he accepts that ending abortion rights will never command a consensus and he will not seek to impose it.
    JRM supports the teachings of the church on some issues.
    That line didn`t work for Tim Farron, did it?
    JRM is a good deal more comfortable with his beliefs than Tim Farron, and is not seeking to lead the Lib Dems.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    The risk from a crypto collapse isn't so much to individuals but to banks, since you can bet that one way or another a lot of the potential losses will end up sitting with them.
    Because they buy them as a spec, or lend against them as security, or what?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    The risk from a crypto collapse isn't so much to individuals but to banks, since you can bet that one way or another a lot of the potential losses will end up sitting with them.
    Crypto is tiny market with a valuation supported by pump and dump and wash trading on incredibly thin liquidity. There's no risk to institutions, just suckers.
  • BBC reporting US stock falls due to prospect of higher interest rates

    Which is apparently being thought much more likely because of job growth.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited February 2018
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Quick, switch to bitcoin... Oh.
    Nah, you want to get your money into Tether....cos it is backed 1:1 by USB (cough cough bullshit) ;-)
    Good plan. Oh since I started composing this post another 100 million Tether have been created. And again...
    I would love to know the bank who keeps lending them all this money to back their coin. I might go to them and ask for a $100 million. I somehow fear that this bank doesn't exist.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,055

    BBC reporting US stock falls due to prospect of higher interest rates

    Yes, this is hardly news as it relates to the strong US payroll data released on Friday which triggered the current sell-off along with some disappointing corporate numbers.

    The view is the strong payroll dats will force renewed rises in interest rates and, I imagine, there will be pressure to raise rates here as well.

    After years of QE as financial methodone, it looks as though we will all have to go cold turkey - good for savers though, let's not forget.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Sean_F said:

    PClipp said:

    PeterC said:

    TGOHF said:

    Apart from his medieval Papist views on abortion and Brexit - can anyone name an extreme/stark JRM policy ?

    JRM policy on abortion is not "medieval Papist". While he personally supports the teaching of the Church, as do millions of others, he accepts that ending abortion rights will never command a consensus and he will not seek to impose it.
    JRM supports the teachings of the church on some issues.
    That line didn`t work for Tim Farron, did it?
    JRM is a good deal more comfortable with his beliefs than Tim Farron, and is not seeking to lead the Lib Dems.
    You mean he`s not going to be attacked by the Tory spin machine.....
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    The risk from a crypto collapse isn't so much to individuals but to banks, since you can bet that one way or another a lot of the potential losses will end up sitting with them.
    Crypto is tiny market with a valuation supported by pump and dump and wash trading on incredibly thin liquidity. There's no risk to institutions, just suckers.
    I don't know if this is correct, but it is certainly lucid:

    http://thereformedbroker.com/2018/01/07/the-fatal-mistake-crypto-investors-are-making-now/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    edited February 2018
    stodge said:

    BBC reporting US stock falls due to prospect of higher interest rates

    Yes, this is hardly news as it relates to the strong US payroll data released on Friday which triggered the current sell-off along with some disappointing corporate numbers.

    The view is the strong payroll dats will force renewed rises in interest rates and, I imagine, there will be pressure to raise rates here as well.

    After years of QE as financial methodone, it looks as though we will all have to go cold turkey - good for savers though, let's not forget.
    More likely the stock market reaction will panic central banks into coming up with some reason to defer any action, hoping that wage inflation settles of its own accord. If that doesn't work, we are heading for a period of significantly higher inflation which, as it happens, is the least worst (for the debtors) of the various ways in which the crisis in public debt can be resolved.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    edited February 2018
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    The main takeaway i have from that photo is that Barnier is quite tall.

    Oh and Starmer looks like he's just realised we're actually leaving the SM.... :)
    Starmer always has a rabbit in headlights look about him
    He looks like he is a member of The Remove at Greyfriars.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,144
    One of the difficulties of the Labour party for women must be the ever-present suspicion that you're just a token woman, whatever genuine talent & value you bring to anything. Sad.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,557
    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    The risk from a crypto collapse isn't so much to individuals but to banks, since you can bet that one way or another a lot of the potential losses will end up sitting with them.
    Crypto is tiny market with a valuation supported by pump and dump and wash trading on incredibly thin liquidity. There's no risk to institutions, just suckers.
    I though the nominal value of Cryptos was quite large. A lot depends when people bought in.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    jayfdee said:

    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dow Jones heavily down again. It all looks a bit bearish to me.

    Profit taking or something more serious
    Hard to know just yet, but does seem a bit ominous to me.

    Sitting tight though, as I have a pretty cautious and diversified portfolio at present.
    Looks pretty widespread.
    Be thankful you are not in Cryptos, it is a bloodbath at the moment.

    Me, I am not in Cryptos, and will just sit out the FTSE/Dow etc.
    I am wondering if the Crypto bubble bursting is the trigger for the drop, as people are forced to cover their positions.
    The risk from a crypto collapse isn't so much to individuals but to banks, since you can bet that one way or another a lot of the potential losses will end up sitting with them.
    Crypto is tiny market with a valuation supported by pump and dump and wash trading on incredibly thin liquidity. There's no risk to institutions, just suckers.
    I don't know if this is correct, but it is certainly lucid:

    http://thereformedbroker.com/2018/01/07/the-fatal-mistake-crypto-investors-are-making-now/
    Thanks for the link.

    My 85-year old mother asked me what Bitcoin was the other day, a clear sign that awareness of the boom has spread very widely. Although I have a hazy idea I thought it best to say that I didn't understand it. But it does seem to me that the long-term value is more likely to be in the technology itself, rather than the actual currencies.
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