JRM's rise, and the last thread (indeed, many others), shows the main problem with Brexit.
It is not about customs union, free movement and everything else. The UK has historically been very good at muddling through, and whatever is decided, we'd probably muddle through, albeit at some cost.
However everything is being subsumed through the prism of Brexit. Every other question - especially good governance - is subservient.
It's become a religious, doctrinal conflict within the Conservative party: it doesn't matter if you're as loathsome as Leadsom, or as backwards as JRM: if you're a pure, true believer, then you're okay. If the Conservative party was having this religious war in opposition then it wouldn't matter as much. But they're not. They're in government.
And they're f'ing clueless.
I mean, JRM. For f'sake. Can someone try to convince me of any positive qualities he possesses for leader of the party, yet alone PM?
He’s nice, very smart, self depreciating, has principles (in spades)... and he doesn’t want the job
Nice people do not make up evidence-free conspiracy theories about people who are unable to respond.
Genuine question. Do you think the pre-referendum civil service forecasts were made in good faith?
Yes. Have you any evidence that they were not?
The long-term economic forecast looks on track, though it's early days of course.
Again, you miss the point. There's no reason to have grid girls. They don't serve a purpose that can't reasonably be performed in other ways. It's not a tradition that's worth hanging on to.
So a question: why do you think they should be kept?
The girls who do the jobs don't want to lose them. Why do you think they should?
It's a business decision. No-one has a right to a job (especially short-term contracts such as these), and they're not needed. So again I ask, why should they be kept?
Because they've done their job perfectly well and professionally.
So did coal miners. I note your support for their jobs to be kept even when the business and economic reasons for those jobs to exist have disappeared.
you think that the ability to take down socialism qualifies someone as a potential Tory leader?
Its a necessary quality yes. The Tories are facing an Opposition that is avowedly and openly Socialist. Taking that on is a necessity.
WRM's argument against socialism based on free will was for an Ayn Rand type of libertarianism which doesn't recognise cooperation and pooling of sovereignty for a common good.
JRM's rise, and the last thread (indeed, many others), shows the main problem with Brexit.
It is not about customs union, free movement and everything else. The UK has historically been very good at muddling through, and whatever is decided, we'd probably muddle through, albeit at some cost.
However everything is being subsumed through the prism of Brexit. Every other question - especially good governance - is subservient.
It's become a religious, doctrinal conflict within the Conservative party: it doesn't matter if you're as loathsome as Leadsom, or as backwards as JRM: if you're a pure, true believer, then you're okay. If the Conservative party was having this religious war in opposition then it wouldn't matter as much. But they're not. They're in government.
And they're f'ing clueless.
I mean, JRM. For f'sake. Can someone try to convince me of any positive qualities he possesses for leader of the party, yet alone PM?
He’s nice, very smart, self depreciating, has principles (in spades)... and he doesn’t want the job
Nice people do not make up evidence-free conspiracy theories about people who are unable to respond.
Genuine question. Do you think the pre-referendum civil service forecasts were made in good faith?
Yes. Have you any evidence that they were not?
The long-term economic forecast looks on track, though it's early days of course.
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.
See the problem?
In that case the average wait isn't 7 minutes??
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.
Interesting question for the political anoraks. Who is the current Tory party's most right wing MP. Right wing in terms of social beliefs and neo-con level economic ones.
I suspect the current MPs are much less right wing than they were 30 years ago, certainly socially, and much much less right wing than their average American counterparts. That guy Moore in the US, for instance, who tried to get elected the other day. Do we have anybody at his level of rightwingery in the current parliament!?
Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ? As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.
See the problem?
In that case the average wait isn't 7 minutes??
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.
It was badly phrased in the initial tweet. Obviously queueing for 7 minutes in total wouldn't be a problem for anyone at all, and would probably by a huge improvement on the current state of affairs!
I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!" "Get Belgium to do it."
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ? As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.
See the problem?
In that case the average wait isn't 7 minutes??
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.
It was badly phrased in the initial tweet. Obviously queueing for 7 minutes in total wouldn't be a problem for anyone at all, and would probably by a huge improvement on the current state of affairs!
You would get a longer wait by funnelling what is currently all traffic through the current non-EU lines, but of course (assuming no deal to the contrary) that is a false assumption.
You could seven minutes for each lorry to be dealt with and no queue, or fifty miles.
If Zac had any sense he would have made sure the Police were involved and then waited until.they had investigated before making anything public. That has huge potential to blow up.in his face. I would have thought any reasonable person, no matter what their view on Brexit, would have alarm bells ringing about its authenticity.
Mr. B, the plan is for them to be either selected on merit (being young drivers in junior formulae) or lottery, though how the entry to said lottery would function is not apparent.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.
Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ? As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.
Anything.
Just how young is Morris Dancer? Time to see if he can still squeeze into that scout uniform.
Interesting question for the political anoraks. Who is the current Tory party's most right wing MP. Right wing in terms of social beliefs and neo-con level economic ones.
I suspect the current MPs are much less right wing than they were 30 years ago, certainly socially, and much much less right wing than their average American counterparts. That guy Moore in the US, for instance, who tried to get elected the other day. Do we have anybody at his level of rightwingery in the current parliament!?
Mr. B, the plan is for them to be either selected on merit (being young drivers in junior formulae) or lottery, though how the entry to said lottery would function is not apparent.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.
There is quite the gap between employing someone purely as a sexualised object, and letting a child be part of a fantastic sporting occassion.
To put it another way: You're trying to draw equivalence between a cheerleading squad and the kid coming out of the tunnel carrying the ball for his/her heroes.
Why not just visit xhamster for 10 minutes before the start of the race? Hey presto! Problem solved.
Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ? As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.
If Zac had any sense he would have made sure the Police were involved and then waited until.they had investigated before making anything public. That has huge potential to blow up.in his face. I would have thought any reasonable person, no matter what their view on Brexit, would have alarm bells ringing about its authenticity.
Does that misplaced full stop make you a suspect, Richard ?
Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
Mr. Eagles, bare arms?! Bare arms! They would've been held in contempt by the mores of Elizabethan England, I tell you!
[No, really, they would. Exposed cleavage was fine, but bare arms were seen as very revealing].
Mr. Jessop, if they serve no purpose then why have grid kids?
Presumably, Mr.D, they would be happy volunteers drawn from the ranks of young motorsport enthusiasts ? As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
I imagine there's young motorsport enthusiasts who would do anything to get on the grid.
At the most recents grands prix I attended it was something like this
The Grammys were really confusing. On the one hand, the vast majority of females wore white to bring awareness about sexual abuse and harassment and inequality to women in the industry. There were some emotional speeches and demonstrations of solidarity. On the other hand, the female artists didn't really win a sight. Lots of rappers won for songs talking about bitches and hos, and about how they like to treat their women. Truly surreal.
I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!" "Get Belgium to do it."
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!" "Get Belgium to do it."
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
"...but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did."
How would this happen?
Firstly, Corbyn had a very well organised campaign group behind him - Momentum. What campaign group is there to get behind JRM? The nearest thing the right had was Farage and UKIP, and that brings us onto my second point: it is dangerous to assume that a 'cult figure' is liked by people outside the cult.
I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!" "Get Belgium to do it."
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
Smaller cult. Or as TSE might put it, the junior partner in an asymmetric arse.
Mr. Owls, I've aged quite a lot (bald now). Unfortunately, with my shaved head I do have the exact appearance of a white supremacist. It's the old Ed Miliband problem, only instead of awkwardness I look like my first name should Reichsfuhrer.
Mr. Divvie, younger than my most recent blog (posted about an hour ago) makes me sound [in which I reveal that I have a sixpence jar].
If Zac had any sense he would have made sure the Police were involved and then waited until.they had investigated before making anything public. That has huge potential to blow up.in his face. I would have thought any reasonable person, no matter what their view on Brexit, would have alarm bells ringing about its authenticity.
Does that misplaced full stop make you a suspect, Richard ?
I get the feeling that the only reason people are talking about JRM as leader is because people are talking about JRM as leader. It's fluff and stuff and nonsense. If it came to pass (see - I'm doing it now!) then it would see the Tories on 25%.
Same things said about corbyn and look what happened,he took labour over 40%.
Jeremy Corbyn is interested in issues that affect 'ordinary' people on the street - or at least he pretends to. He even looks like a person on the street (and since his makeover, no longer a wino sleeping on the street). Many people want change, he is offering it, and he looks like 'one of us'.
This might be very unfair, but JRM seems to have no connection with 'ordinary' people. He cannot even be arsed to change the nappies of his children.
Imagine him as PM: "There's an urgent dirty job that needs doing, and it's our responsibility!" "Get Belgium to do it."
And the Tories now have a major problem with women voters, more of whom voted for Corbyn than May in 2017. Is an anti-abortion zealot more likely to win them back or shed another bucketload of womens' votes to Labour? The latter, I'd suggest.
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
I am not sure about JRM because I do not know his views on a wide range of subjects other than his views as supported by his Catholic faith.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
"...but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did."
How would this happen?
Firstly, Corbyn had a very well organised campaign group behind him - Momentum. What campaign group is there to get behind JRM? The nearest thing the right had was Farage and UKIP, and that brings us onto my second point: it is dangerous to assume that a 'cult figure' is liked by people outside the cult.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
Mr. Anorak, grid girls were dressing pretty conservatively recently. I doubt the kids will be any more or less covered up, unless they come out in burkhas.
I also never watch the pre-race nonsense (or the post-race stuff either). My opposition to the move is that empowering women by impoverishing them is irrational nonsense, and if a duty objectifies grown women who are paid professionals I fail to see how the identical duty performed by a child somehow becomes a wonderful thing.
Still, some women have lost some money because their chosen work doesn't meet with the approval of the puritans.
Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
Maybe Corbyn felt it was best for his child not to go to a grammar school and that if he and his wife disagreed on something so fundamental it was best for the child concerned that they did not stay together. I am no fan, but there does not seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest he is anything other than a very good, loving father. I am sure exactly the same can be said for Jacob Rees Mogg.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
"You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day."
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
Personally I don't form my opinion of best Prime Minister based on people's personal lives, but YMMV.
More importantly, principles are of course highly desirable for a politician (standards and ethics more so), but for a senior job some ability to actually do politics - to take on other points of view, seek consensus, make compromises - is pretty essential. Corbyn lacks in this department but JRM has nothing to offer at all.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader. JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run. But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.
See the problem?
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.
You have to wonder when he last caught a Ferry. 7 minutes? Wow. Wish they could match that with cars.
7 minutes to process each lorry on arrival. A queue of 50 lorries coming from a channel ferry would take almost 6 hours to process, by which time another 3 ferries have arrived.
See the problem?
Nope. Would give them something to do in the 45 minutes they spend hanging around waiting to get off the boat.
Is that only a 1 hour processing time for 50 lorries in 6 queues? That seems very quick.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader. JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run. But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
He is head of the EPG group of conservatives and is becoming the go to politician for Brexit.
It will be interesting to see how his influence impacts the polls over the coming months but he has a long way to go to become PM
Hmm. Not really a difficult choice. A father of 8 or a man who divorced his wife and abandoned his son for political reasons.
A father of 8 who appears rather keen to abandon some of the duties of being a father onto a paid servant?
You could say the same of anyone who puts their child into child care each day.
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
Maybe Corbyn felt it was best for his child not to go to a grammar school and that if he and his wife disagreed on something so fundamental it was best for the child concerned that they did not stay together. I am no fan, but there does not seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest he is anything other than a very good, loving father. I am sure exactly the same can be said for Jacob Rees Mogg.
But the child ended up going where the mother wanted anyway. He just did it from a broken family. I genuinely fond the idea abhorrent.
Yes, Jeremy Hunt, I agree. Whichever Brexiteer stands, Moggster, Johnson or Gove, there will be a challenger from more moderate side.
Rudd, Davidson or Hunt. Rudd doesn`t have the majority in her constituency to be safe, Davidson is impossible for obvious reasons.
That leaves Hunt.
Perhaps David Mundell would like to be the next Secretary General of NATO? There is a possible vacancy this autumn (failing that, 2019) and a British appointment would be a very useful counterweight to Brexit. Though the rumours are that we are considering putting a different David forward.
Mundell is a useless half witted cretin, why would any sane person put that clown forward.
Greetings from a train just departing Frankfurt. I've come to try and find my European Identity. So far, no joy.
Try looking in a beer, it may be masquerading as a German identity to blend into the environment. If it isn't in the first, it may be in the second. Keep trying and good luck.
Yes, Jeremy Hunt, I agree. Whichever Brexiteer stands, Moggster, Johnson or Gove, there will be a challenger from more moderate side.
Rudd, Davidson or Hunt. Rudd doesn`t have the majority in her constituency to be safe, Davidson is impossible for obvious reasons.
That leaves Hunt.
Perhaps David Mundell would like to be the next Secretary General of NATO? There is a possible vacancy this autumn (failing that, 2019) and a British appointment would be a very useful counterweight to Brexit. Though the rumours are that we are considering putting a different David forward.
Mundell is a useless half witted cretin, why would any sane person put that clown forward.
Mr. B, the plan is for them to be either selected on merit (being young drivers in junior formulae) or lottery, though how the entry to said lottery would function is not apparent.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.
It's the sort of thing that rather wonderful TV program from my youth, Jim'll Fix It, used to arrange. I wonder what happened to that.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Why the fixation on Momentum? I don't hear or read about Progress or any of the centre rightist pressure groups, which in the minds of many Labour members have done more to damage the party. Momentum have something like 36 k members out of 600 k. But I can imagine many Tories with small electoral majorities beginning to fear a fully organised and financed LP campaign in their constituencies
You forgot to mention that Unionist support for the UK was at 36% with the rest wanting greater powers than they have now. Usual snivelling ltying Tory trick.
Greetings from a train just departing Frankfurt. I've come to try and find my European Identity. So far, no joy.
Try looking in a beer, it may be masquerading as a German identity to blend into the environment. If it isn't in the first, it may be in the second. Keep trying and good luck.
It’s a tough job - but I’m glad someone is doing meaningful field research
You forgot to mention that Unionist support for the UK was at 36% with the rest wanting greater powers than they have now. Usual snivelling ltying Tory trick.
I really can't work out whether the questions asked in the poll were completely stupid or whether it is just the way that the Scotsman reported it that was idiotic. Probably both.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader. JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run. But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
You are right: I thought it slightly pre-dated his leadership campaign. Thanks.
Just see the beginning of this thread to see how he repels reasonable Conservative-leaning posters. Would he have enough supporters to overcome those losses?
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Why the fixation on Momentum? I don't hear or read about Progress or any of the centre rightist pressure groups, which in the minds of many Labour members have done more to damage the party. Momentum have something like 36 k members out of 600 k. But I can imagine many Tories with small electoral majorities beginning to fear a fully organised and financed LP campaign in their constituencies
You used to, when groups like Progress were in line (and perhaps had the ear of) the Labour leadership. Momentum have the ear of the Labour leadership, and are therefore very much of interest and importance.
What was the membership of Progress like in (say) 1999 at the height of Blair's government, both in total and as a percentage of party membership? I have no idea if the Momentum phenomenon is typical or not, but I guess the latter...
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
The poll also looked at current EU referendum voting intention, with no significant difference to report in comparison to previous polling. When asked how they would vote if there was another EU referendum, 49% (+1) of those polled said they would vote ‘Leave’, while 51% (-1) would vote ‘Remain’.
Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. His profile has exploded onto the media and they cannot get enough of him. He came out of the fracas with great credit and people are talking about him, some in very complimentary terms.
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
"Do you need a campaign group to become a cult figure. "
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
Momentum was set up after Corbyn became Labour leader. JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run. But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
You are right: I thought it slightly pre-dated his leadership campaign. Thanks.
Just see the beginning of this thread to see how he repels reasonable Conservative-leaning posters. Would he have enough supporters to overcome those losses?
Not sure - I certainly disagree with those on here who think he would walk a membership election. But my betting position against him is more based on: 1) don’t think he will run 2) don’t think he will make final 2
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https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/960518751950114816
The long-term economic forecast looks on track, though it's early days of course.
It was beautifully enunciated but trite.
Mr. Stocky, cheers for posting that.
Give me a break.
See the problem?
https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/960545239911018498
I'd love a Unionist to explain what the status quo (current, once and future) is.
Actually you could have a seven minute wait and no queue, or you could have a seven minute wait and a long queue. I'd love to see how OP is modelling that.
https://twitter.com/SPD2212/status/960289951949746181
I'm sure the Brexit-supporting tabs will investigate anyway. The slightly odd bit is "we were born in Britain" ... it's not particularly coherent.
I suspect the current MPs are much less right wing than they were 30 years ago, certainly socially, and much much less right wing than their average American counterparts. That guy Moore in the US, for instance, who tried to get elected the other day. Do we have anybody at his level of rightwingery in the current parliament!?
As opposed to hired hands performing the sanitised vestiges of a role now judged unacceptable by society.
As someone else pointed out upthread, electing someone like JRM may well be the catalyst which tips the 20% or so of Tory voters who are unhappy with Brexit into voting for Corbyn.
"If you attempt to take away part of someone's identity." is not a complete sentence.
"We have watched have you stoked..." is simply illiterate.
Anything.
You could seven minutes for each lorry to be dealt with and no queue, or fifty miles.
What seems to be the case is that they'll be unpaid, and the role that apparently objectifies and demeans women is simultaneously wonderful when done by children.
To put it another way: You're trying to draw equivalence between a cheerleading squad and the kid coming out of the tunnel carrying the ball for his/her heroes.
Why not just visit xhamster for 10 minutes before the start of the race? Hey presto! Problem solved.
Compared to me anyway
Anyway I was not endorsing JRM, just going along with the comparison Mike made. I don't want either to be PM but would choose a JRM over Corbyn any day. A man who puts his political ideology ahead of his family is a true fanatic.
In some ways he is being dismissed just as Corbyn was but I could see him becoming a cult figure in a similar way that Corbyn did.
I have no idea who will succeed TM or when so I will keep an open mind until I am able to vote and that vote will depend on the hustings, the two left to be put to us, and their performances and policies
How would this happen?
Firstly, Corbyn had a very well organised campaign group behind him - Momentum. What campaign group is there to get behind JRM? The nearest thing the right had was Farage and UKIP, and that brings us onto my second point: it is dangerous to assume that a 'cult figure' is liked by people outside the cult.
Or as TSE might put it, the junior partner in an asymmetric arse.
Mr. Divvie, younger than my most recent blog (posted about an hour ago) makes me sound [in which I reveal that I have a sixpence jar].
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/a-denar-delivered.html
I have no idea where this goes but I would expect to see polls showing him ahead of Corbyn as best PM in the coming months, though that is a low bar
I also never watch the pre-race nonsense (or the post-race stuff either). My opposition to the move is that empowering women by impoverishing them is irrational nonsense, and if a duty objectifies grown women who are paid professionals I fail to see how the identical duty performed by a child somehow becomes a wonderful thing.
Still, some women have lost some money because their chosen work doesn't meet with the approval of the puritans.
You were comparing Corbyn and JRM: it's important to note Momentum's role in Corbyn's rise. JRM wouldn't necessarily need a campaign group, but it's hard to see how he could replicate Corbyn without it.
As for the fracas: I was bemused to hear a news presenter on the BBC say something like it was unclear who was assaulting who!
So our 'temporary' UK-EU trade deal might last longer the EU?
Seems more than possible.
No, you really could not.
JRM would have no shortage of Tory volunteers if he chose to run.
But I don’t see how he would get leave MPs to back him instead of Boris/Gove.
https://twitter.com/HandelsblattGE/status/960543562046885888
Further proof of Teutonic decadence.
It will be interesting to see how his influence impacts the polls over the coming months but he has a long way to go to become PM
Soooo, that's 49% in favour of radical constitutional change then compared to 36% against.
On the one hand the last thing you want is an election - but on the other you can already see that cosying up to Merkel is losing you votes.
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/960552242855149570
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/960557409730220032
Just see the beginning of this thread to see how he repels reasonable Conservative-leaning posters. Would he have enough supporters to overcome those losses?
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/960559918792232960
I'll just go into a dark room and scratch my head whilst trying to understand how the continual mess they are in is not having a massive negative on polls.
What was the membership of Progress like in (say) 1999 at the height of Blair's government, both in total and as a percentage of party membership? I have no idea if the Momentum phenomenon is typical or not, but I guess the latter...
SPD-S&D: 17% (-1)
AfD-EFDD: 15% (+1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+2)
LINKE-LEFT: 11%
FDP-ALDE: 10% (+1)
Only 5 points separate the bottom 4 parties, you could say the Greens are closing faster.
But my betting position against him is more based on:
1) don’t think he will run
2) don’t think he will make final 2