So long as we don't exercise it. What's the point of that?
That's like me saying I would like a glass of wine but we have joined an abstinence club, so I decide to leave the abstinence club. Then you say we could always drink even although we've joined an abstinence club because we could theoretically leave the club at any time so why would we actually leave?
Your position makes no sense.
Perhaps TOPPING thinks sovereignty is a bit like Trident?
May’s authority has been sapped by the loss of the government overall majority at last June’s election. She has never been able to make her idea of a country that works for everyone sing. And while she tried hard, she did not feel at ease in Davos and it showed.
For May, the good news is that business doesn’t hate her. The bad news is that they pity her. For a prime minister, that’s worse.
Is this a quote? The use of italics suggest it is, but there's no source.
I have a skin cancer which needs removing. I am annoyed because I saw 4 GPs, the first 3 of whom said 'we don't know what it is but don't worry' and it was only the 4th who said 'I don't know what it is lets ask a specialist.'*
When I saw the specialist at Queens and told her I had had it for 18 months and it had been getting larger she asked why I had not come to see her much sooner.
I didn't really have a polite answer to that and since it was not her fault I just grimaced as if it was my fault.
It will shortly be cut out and hopefully that will be the end of it but it does make me nervous as long as it is still there.
* In fairness they were also dealing with the urinary tract issues at the time so it probably seemed secondary and unimportant.
We were always sovereign. Of course if you are worried, scared, insecure, or perhaps just a moron, it might not have seemed like that. But we were.
But as @John_M notes - these are old battles. You won the war. It's why I am so bemused by the terrified and desperate tone of most of the Brexiter posts.
We were only sovereign to the extent that we had delegated our sovereignty to Brussels and were unable to exercise our sovereignty for as long as we had delegated it - but reserved the right to retrieve it at any time.
I voted to retrieve our sovereignty so that we could exercise it ourselves and not have others exercise it on our behalf. I fail to see what petrifies you about us exercising our own sovereignty rather than delegating it to Brussels.
I was only not allowed to wear jeans and a t-shirt to my club because I had delegated the rules for that club to the committee. But I could resign at any time.
So I decided to resign from the club so I can wear jeans and a t-shirt any god damn time I want. But not, sadly, in my club, which is a shame as it is very agreeable.
But if your club said that you could never wear jeans and a t-shirt regardless of whether you were on the premises or not?
Luckily I negotiated a release whereby that rule didn't apply to me.
I congratulate you on manfully batting on in the face of adversity. I lost the plot during the 'cancer' exchange. Which, was by the way, a really poor analogy. The debate has subsequently got even more obtuse.
Its an excellent analogy. It has eaten into the body politic of the UK, has caused irreparable damage to our democracy, our economy and the basic trust in Government. The longer we have suffered with it the more difficult it has become to remove and in the end it would have destroyed our country if we had not taken the radical step of cutting it out.
That the Eurofanatics are in denial about this is no surprise. Nor is the fact that the rail against the diagnosis.
To me it is a crap analogy to you it is genius. To me Brexit is an act of economic vandalism, to you it is freedom from oppression.
No, to me it is the simple act of ensuring that we cut out a harmful and unwanted growth from our politics. I could just have easily used a parasite as the analogy but given that I actually have cancer it seemed a more appropriate analogy and closer to home.
Sorry to hear that, chap, hope things improve soon.
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
Don’t tell me you’re cheerleading for Trump now... The economy certainly isn’t booming because of tax cuts which mainly haven’t even happened yet. Credit should really go to Obama for that.
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
And N and S Korea have kissed and made up. I agree: if you ignore everything he and anyone else has ever put on twitter, it doesn't look at all a bad record.
And the dollar at 1.43 and the euro at 1.14 are signs the markets have confidence on the UK (despite Brexit)
The euro at 1.14 is a sign of (vague) confidence. The dollar at 1.43 points more to something to do with the dollar....
OK, so what are you benchmarking the dollar against? Because you must be looking at a dollar/something else exchange rate to be able to say that, so you can surely eliminate the detour and tell us how the £ is doing against the thing you are measuring the $ against?
Try the Euro and the dollar. it was $1.07 to a Euro this time last year now its $1.25 At the same time a £ has gone from $1.26 to $1.42
All figures from xe.com charts as I'm being lazy...
So long as we don't exercise it. What's the point of that?
That's like me saying I would like a glass of wine but we have joined an abstinence club, so I decide to leave the abstinence club. Then you say we could always drink even although we've joined an abstinence club because we could theoretically leave the club at any time so why would we actually leave?
Your position makes no sense.
Your analogies are crap.
How is it crap? I don't just theoretically want to have sovereignty in that we could leave the EU at any time.
I want to actually have sovereignty, in that the politicians we elect and eject are the only ones who make our laws.
Unless we get to actually exercise our sovereignty then theoretically having it but having delegated it is meaningless.
We were always sovereign. Of course if you are worried, scared, insecure, or perhaps just a moron, it might not have seemed like that. But we were.
And the laws that are passed are those of a club that we had decided to join and helped to craft.
But as @John_M notes - these are old battles. You won the war. It's why I am so bemused by the terrified and desperate tone of most of the Brexiter posts.
We were only sovereign to the extent that we had delegated our sovereignty to Brussels and were unable to exercise our sovereignty for as long as we had delegated it - but reserved the right to retrieve it at any time.
I voted to retrieve our sovereignty so that we could exercise it ourselves and not have others exercise it on our behalf. I fail to see what petrifies you about us exercising our own sovereignty rather than delegating it to Brussels.
I was only not allowed to wear jeans and a t-shirt to my club because I had delegated the rules for that club to the committee. But I could resign at any time.
So I decided to resign from the club so I can wear jeans and a t-shirt any god damn time I want. But not, sadly, in my club, which is a shame as it is very agreeable.
But if your club said that you could never wear jeans and a t-shirt regardless of whether you were on the premises or not?
Luckily I negotiated a release whereby that rule didn't apply to me.
I congratulate you on manfully batting on in the face of adver
Its an excellent analogy. It has eaten into the body politic of the UK, has caused irreparable damage to our democracy, our economy and the basic trust in Government. The longer we have suffered with it the more difficult it has become to remove and in the end it would have destroyed our country if we had not taken the radical step of cutting it out.
That the Eurofanatics are in denial about this is no surprise. Nor is the fact that the rail against the diagnosis.
To me it is a crap analogy to you it is genius. To me Brexit is an act of economic vandalism, to you it is freedom from oppression.
No, to me it is the simple act of ensuring that we cut out a harmful and unwanted growth from our politics. I could just have easily used a parasite as the analogy but given that I actually have cancer it seemed a more appropriate analogy and closer to home.
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
Don’t tell me you’re cheerleading for Trump now... The economy certainly isn’t booming because of tax cuts which mainly haven’t even happened yet. Credit should really go to Obama for that.
Socialists hate the word tax cuts. Apple is bringing 250 billion back to the US directly as a result of Trump's tax policies and many billions more to come, nothing to do with Obama.
And with respect credit where credit is due and notwithstanding his image if he makes America Great again he will deserve the credit, warts and all
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
Don’t tell me you’re cheerleading for Trump now... The economy certainly isn’t booming because of tax cuts which mainly haven’t even happened yet. Credit should really go to Obama for that.
Socialists hate the word tax cuts. Apple is bringing 250 billion back to the US directly as a result of Trump's tax policies and many billions more to come, nothing to do with Obama.
And with respect credit where credit is due and notwithstanding his image if he makes America Great again he will deserve the credit, warts and all
It's good that Apple is bringing that money back and it shows how tax cuts work and is YET ANOTHER example of the Laffer Curve in real life. Like how our Corporation Tax revenues are at record highs thanks to our reduced rates.
However the tax cuts and that repatriated money haven't actually happened yet. America's growth at present is unrelated to that.
Socialists hate the word tax cuts. .................................
Made me smile.
I could see Trump getting a second term, I think its a shame Sanders isn't a little bit younger. He would have been an interesting opponent but might be pushing it a little age wise.
We were always sovereign. Of course if you are worried, scared, insecure, or perhaps just a moron, it might not have seemed like that. But we were.
And the laws that are passed are those of a club that we had decided to join and helped to craft.
But as @John_M notes - these are old battles. You won the war. It's why I am so bemused by the terrified and desperate tone of most of the Brexiter posts.
We were only sovereign to the extent that we had delegated our sovereignty to Brussels and were unable to exercise our sovereignty for as long as we had delegated it - but reserved the right to retrieve it at any time.
I voted to retrieve our sovereignty so that we could exercise it ourselves and not have others exercise it on our behalf. I fail to see what petrifies you about us exercising our own sovereignty rather than delegating it to Brussels.
I was only not allowed to wear jeans and a t-shirt to my club because I had delegated the rules for that club to the committee. But I could resign at any time.
So I decided to resign from the club so I can wear jeans and a t-shirt any god damn time I want. But not, sadly, in my club, which is a shame as it is very agreeable.
But if your club said that you could never wear jeans and a t-shirt regardless of whether you were on the premises or not?
Luckily I negotiated a release whereby that rule didn't apply to me.
I congratulate you on manfully batting on in the face of adversity. I lost the plot during the 'cancer' exchange. Which, was by the way, a really poor analogy. The debate has subsequently got even more obtuse.
Its an excellent analogy. It has eaten into the body politic of the UK, has caused irreparable damage to our democracy, our economy and the basic trust in Government. The longer we have suffered with it the more difficult it has become to remove and in the end it would have destroyed our country if we had not taken the radical step of cutting it out.
That the Eurofanatics are in denial about this is no surprise. Nor is the fact that the rail against the diagnosis.
Always sovereign.
Your position makes no sense.
What doesn't make sense? You can always drink if you're in an abstinence club. If you couldn't, AA would have a 100% success rate
In London maybe. But both my children here in Wales own their own homes and their cars, one has two children 15 and 9 and the other 2 children 6 and 4.
Neither of them could have afforded any of that living in London
The sound of the ticking time bomb for the tories, it is easy to breed materialistic right wingers when they are acquiring homes and wealth. Not so easy when a vast number are getting left by the side. How long can the older property owners keep them going?
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
And N and S Korea have kissed and made up. I agree: if you ignore everything he and anyone else has ever put on twitter, it doesn't look at all a bad record.
And the dollar at 1.43 and the euro at 1.14 are signs the markets have confidence on the UK (despite Brexit)
1.14 against the Euro is still historically very low...
What doesn't make sense? You can always drink if you're in an abstinence club. If you couldn't, AA would have a 100% success rate
Right so we could have remained in the EU so long as we were prepared to ignore and break the EU's rules whenever we wanted to.
Indeed. And indeed one of the reasons why the EU is in my opinion less popular in the UK than in France and Germany is we make a point of obeying all rules whether we want to or not, if we're signed up to them. Whereas in France especially there is a tendency to just ignore and flout inconvenient rules they don't like.
The sound of the ticking time bomb for the tories, it is easy to breed materialistic right wingers when they are acquiring homes and wealth. Not so easy when a vast number are getting left by the side. How long can the older property owners keep them going?
Indeed the solution is to ensure more homes are built and sold.
The sound of the ticking time bomb for the tories, it is easy to breed materialistic right wingers when they are acquiring homes and wealth. Not so easy when a vast number are getting left by the side. How long can the older property owners keep them going?
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please!
The sound of the ticking time bomb for the tories, it is easy to breed materialistic right wingers when they are acquiring homes and wealth. Not so easy when a vast number are getting left by the side. How long can the older property owners keep them going?
Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000
The sound of the ticking time bomb for the tories, it is easy to breed materialistic right wingers when they are acquiring homes and wealth. Not so easy when a vast number are getting left by the side. How long can the older property owners keep them going?
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please!
There's nothing materialistic about plotting the revolution on your iPhone in Starbucks.
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
Don’t tell me you’re cheerleading for Trump now... The economy certainly isn’t booming because of tax cuts which mainly haven’t even happened yet. Credit should really go to Obama for that.
How have tax cuts that arent even in force got the economy flying? Your having a Laffer
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
And N and S Korea have kissed and made up. I agree: if you ignore everything he and anyone else has ever put on twitter, it doesn't look at all a bad record.
And the dollar at 1.43 and the euro at 1.14 are signs the markets have confidence on the UK (despite Brexit)
1.14 against the Euro is still historically very low...
Yes but the dollar rate is nearly at the level pre Brexit referendum
Even if the Sun comic were right that almost 48 Tory MPs had written to the head of the 1922 committee, this would not trigger a leadership contest, it would trigger a vote of confidence, which given the mood of Tory MPs right now would in all likelihood lead to a May victory.
So in the words of David Cameron, I would say to overexciteable and skittish commentators : "calm down, dear. Calm down."
Nine in ten not owning their own car? I find that hard to believe, especially given how big the "millennial" generation is.
Yes. House 'and' car I could believe, but not house 'or' car.
We could have a new millenials version of the 1970s Monty python "Old Yorkshiremen" sketch, with young people sitting in a pub saying what they will never own. " Own car? We dream of owning a wooden spoon and living in a cardboard box".
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
And N and S Korea have kissed and made up. I agree: if you ignore everything he and anyone else has ever put on twitter, it doesn't look at all a bad record.
And the dollar at 1.43 and the euro at 1.14 are signs the markets have confidence on the UK (despite Brexit)
1.14 against the Euro is still historically very low...
Yes but the dollar rate is nearly at the level pre Brexit referendum
It is at the level pre-Brexit referendum. Have a look at what the exchange rate was a fortnight before the referendum.
What doesn't make sense? You can always drink if you're in an abstinence club. If you couldn't, AA would have a 100% success rate
Right so we could have remained in the EU so long as we were prepared to ignore and break the EU's rules whenever we wanted to.
Okay, but let's say this abstinence club isn't like that. One drink and you're out, no excuses. So before I joined the club, I would see a pub and think: "I could go in there and get a drink", whereas now I think: "I could go in there and get a drink, but then I'd be kicked out of the club." I'm not sure where in that I've lost any sovereignty.
Watching Trump in Davos he seems supremely confident, he has got the US econony flying with huge tax cuts (are you listening Corbyn/McDonnell), is demanding new free and fair trade deals, has told the Palestinians he will stop all US money going to them unless they agree to peace talks, and is more than likely coming to London this year.
He may well yet confound his critics
And N and S Korea have kissed and made up. I agree: if you ignore everything he and anyone else has ever put on twitter, it doesn't look at all a bad record.
And the dollar at 1.43 and the euro at 1.14 are signs the markets have confidence on the UK (despite Brexit)
1.14 against the Euro is still historically very low...
Yes but the dollar rate is nearly at the level pre Brexit referendum
It is at the level pre-Brexit referendum. Have a look at what the exchange rate was a fortnight before the referendum.
What doesn't make sense? You can always drink if you're in an abstinence club. If you couldn't, AA would have a 100% success rate
Right so we could have remained in the EU so long as we were prepared to ignore and break the EU's rules whenever we wanted to.
Okay, but let's say this abstinence club isn't like that. One drink and you're out, no excuses. So before I joined the club, I would see a pub and think: "I could go in there and get a drink", whereas now I think: "I could go in there and get a drink, but then I'd be kicked out of the club." I'm not sure where in that I've lost any sovereignty.
Well sovereignty is going to the pub in that analogy. So if you really want to go to a pub then saying you theoretically can so long as you leave the abstinence club, so why actually leave the club and actually go to the pub, is not a solution.
I actually want to go to the pub, not just theoretically be able to do so.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Cars are cheap to buy it would probably be the insurance, tax, MOT, general repairs and finally fuel that would put them off, just a constant drain on money.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Cars are cheap to buy it would probably be the insurance, tax, MOT, general repairs and finally fuel that would put them off, just a constant drain on money.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
To clarify I wasn't calling Wales crappy, I actually live in Wales and am half Welsh.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
Big G, only you and me want to live in Wales!
The thousands that flood into North Wales each weekend would love to live in this most beautiful part of the UK and all my family consider how fortunate we have been to live here.
My wife and I have travelled extensively including 8 times round the World in the last ten years but nothing beats going over the Little Orme and seeing the wonderful Victorian Properties along the promenade in Llandudno and overlooked by the magnificient Great Orme
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
Big G, only you and me want to live in Wales!
The thousands that flood into North Wales each weekend would love to live in this most beautiful part of the UK and all my family consider how fortunate we have been to live here.
My wife and I have travelled extensively including 8 times round the World in the last ten years but nothing beats going over the Little Orme and seeing the wonderful Victorian Properties along the promenade in Llandudno and overlooked by the magnificient Great Orme
Don’t tell everyone... we don’t want it to be overrun!
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
Big G, only you and me want to live in Wales!
The thousands that flood into North Wales each weekend would love to live in this most beautiful part of the UK and all my family consider how fortunate we have been to live here.
My wife and I have travelled extensively including 8 times round the World in the last ten years but nothing beats going over the Little Orme and seeing the wonderful Victorian Properties along the promenade in Llandudno and overlooked by the magnificient Great Orme
Don’t tell everyone... we don’t want it to be overrun!
And our wonderful new RNLI station on the promenade
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
To clarify I wasn't calling Wales crappy, I actually live in Wales and am half Welsh.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
Still can’t see past Sajid Javid, and yet to hear an argument why he doesn’t tick all the boxes.
64-1 available on bf to back. Pretty clear all the boxes aren't ticked. (I've no idea why)
Indeed, I would like somebody to tell me. Good back story, impressive pre-political CV, decent cabinet experience, good media performer (did a lot to defuse govt problems over Grenfell). What’s not to like? Is it just coz he is Muslim?
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
To clarify I wasn't calling Wales crappy, I actually live in Wales and am half Welsh.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories.
The vast rise in property prices, relative to wages, was 1996-2007. Since then, in most of the country (London being a very glaring exception) wages have risen faster than property prices.
Looks like Rees Mogg and the other Brexit loons are finally waking up to the symbolic Brexit the UK is heading to. But are they too late and too few in number?
Looks like Rees Mogg and the other Brexit loons are finally waking up to the symbolic Brexit the UK is heading to. But are they too late and too few in number?
Still can’t see past Sajid Javid, and yet to hear an argument why he doesn’t tick all the boxes.
64-1 available on bf to back. Pretty clear all the boxes aren't ticked. (I've no idea why)
Indeed, I would like somebody to tell me. Good back story, impressive pre-political CV, decent cabinet experience, good media performer (did a lot to defuse govt problems over Grenfell). What’s not to like? Is it just coz he is Muslim?
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
There is a Commons majority for a Remainer Brexit stitch-up. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
Not really.
In theory there is, but there is no Conservative majority for it. Which means that if those against a stitch-up pull support for the Government then there is no Government and there is no majority for anything then.
There is a Commons majority for a Remainer Brexit stitch-up. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
Not really.
In theory there is, but there is no Conservative majority for it. Which means that if those against a stitch-up pull support for the Government then there is no Government and there is no majority for anything then.
They would have to make Hard Brexit a confidence vote. High risk strategy for a Remainer PM, Chancellor and Home Sec.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
To clarify I wasn't calling Wales crappy, I actually live in Wales and am half Welsh.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
I've just moved back to Blighty from Monmouthshire, which is just beautiful. Not much for young people, sadly.
Still can’t see past Sajid Javid, and yet to hear an argument why he doesn’t tick all the boxes.
64-1 available on bf to back. Pretty clear all the boxes aren't ticked. (I've no idea why)
Indeed, I would like somebody to tell me. Good back story, impressive pre-political CV, decent cabinet experience, good media performer (did a lot to defuse govt problems over Grenfell). What’s not to like? Is it just coz he is Muslim?
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
Apologies if it was offensive. Not a fan of Ali G, presumably.
When you have completely ridiculous “candidates” dominating the top of the betting, I don’t see that anybody who seems to have genuine ability and few obvious negatives can be dismissed. I mean for heaven’s sake Mike is tipping Jeremy Hunt for his professed commitment to the NHS.
Not quite sure how that works when his handling of the NHS isn’t exactly universally praised by users and providers alike.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
Islwyn though moved from Swansea recently.
So very close to Caerphilly then? My mother's family was from there and we scattered her ashes on Caerphilly Mountain. Some very beautiful places in the Valleys, which I often think are under appreciated.
Nine in ten not owning their own car? I find that hard to believe, especially given how big the "millennial" generation is.
They can afford the car - they can't afford the insurance?!
90% of 18 - 36 year olds can't afford insurance?
I don't think so.
Car insurance is extremely expensive without a no-claims discount. Ludicrously so in the case of anything over 1.2l. My car would be over £2,000 a year to insure on that basis. And of course drivers younger than you and I have little/no no claims discount and as a higher risk group pay more to start.
And then people wonder why we have so many uninsured drivers.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
To clarify I wasn't calling Wales crappy, I actually live in Wales and am half Welsh.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
I've just moved back to Blighty from Monmouthshire, which is just beautiful. Not much for young people, sadly.
That's true of a great many parts of the country unfortunately. The Yorkshire Dales spring to mind. Or Cumberland. Or the Highlands.
Nine in ten not owning their own car? I find that hard to believe, especially given how big the "millennial" generation is.
They can afford the car - they can't afford the insurance?!
90% of 18 - 36 year olds can't afford insurance?
I don't think so.
Car insurance is extremely expensive without a no-claims discount. Ludicrously so in the case of anything over 1.2l. My car would be over £2,000 a year to insure on that basis. And of course drivers younger than you and I have littel/no claims discount and as a higher risk group pay more to start.
And then people wonder why we have so many uninsured drivers.
Which was my point.
You can buy a car for £250 - but you may have to spend far more to insure it if you are a young millienial driver without any NCD.
There was a survey out today suggesting 41 per cent of UK workers had less than £500 in savings. Literally one weeks pay from penury! It speaks volumes as to why so many say they can't afford a car - let alone buy a house at the current crazy prices.
Nine in ten not owning their own car? I find that hard to believe, especially given how big the "millennial" generation is.
They can afford the car - they can't afford the insurance?!
90% of 18 - 36 year olds can't afford insurance?
I don't think so.
Car insurance is extremely expensive without a no-claims discount. Ludicrously so in the case of anything over 1.2l. My car would be over £2,000 a year to insure on that basis. And of course drivers younger than you and I have littel/no claims discount and as a higher risk group pay more to start.
And then people wonder why we have so many uninsured drivers.
Which was my point"
You can buy a car for £250 - but you may have to spend far more to insure it if you are a young millienial driver without any NCD.
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I think that Alex has a point, that Javid is being overlooked as a possibility. I believe the reason for this is that he was seen as a bit of an up and coming star when he first entered the Cabinet, but he didn't really make much impression. He was especially disappointing as Business Sec - he was supposed to lighting a bonfire of silly regulations but nothing seemed to happen. He also supported Stephen Crabb's absurd leadership bid, which won't have helped. However, more recently he's looking a bit more solid. In a field where all the obvious runners have one snag or another, he might be worth a few quid at long odds.
Implying left wingers aren't materialistic? Please! ............................................
I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
........................................................... Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000 ............................................................
Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories
Can you drop the crappy bit. Not necessary
To clarify I wasn't calling Wales crappy, I actually live in Wales and am half Welsh.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
I don't think you buy a Victorian mansion for £99,000 in Islington, although it meets most of your other requirements apart from the fact it's in some small unimportant egotistical city in the east rather than God's Own Country.
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
I've just moved back to Blighty from Monmouthshire, which is just beautiful. Not much for young people, sadly.
That's true of a great many parts of the country unfortunately. The Yorkshire Dales spring to mind. Or Cumberland. Or the Highlands.
Dorset too. The Purbeck coastline and Poole Harbour are amongst the best places in the world. Most of my school pals have moved away, though, sadly. I did, too, for a bit.
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I think that Alex has a point, that Javid is being overlooked as a possibility. I believe the reason for this is that he was seen as a bit of an up and coming star when he first entered the Cabinet, but he didn't really make much impression. He was especially disappointing as Business Sec - he was supposed to lighting a bonfire of silly regulations but nothing seemed to happen. He also supported Stephen Crabb's absurd leadership bid, which won't have helped. However, more recently he's looking a bit more solid. In a field where all the obvious runners have one snag or another, he might be worth a few quid at long odds.
The trouble is it's easier to fulminate against silly regulations in theory, than identify specific ones in practice. Same with elf n safety gone mad - it turns out that elf n safety regulations are there to stop people losing lives and limbs in avoidable accidents, which is not the worst idea anyone has ever had.
I have a skin cancer which needs removing. I am annoyed because I saw 4 GPs, the first 3 of whom said 'we don't know what it is but don't worry' and it was only the 4th who said 'I don't know what it is lets ask a specialist.'*
When I saw the specialist at Queens and told her I had had it for 18 months and it had been getting larger she asked why I had not come to see her much sooner.
I didn't really have a polite answer to that and since it was not her fault I just grimaced as if it was my fault.
It will shortly be cut out and hopefully that will be the end of it but it does make me nervous as long as it is still there.
* In fairness they were also dealing with the urinary tract issues at the time so it probably seemed secondary and unimportant.
Best wishes, Richard. I hope the surgery puts an end to the problem.
In the I hope unlikely event that it doesn't, treatments for skin cancer are dramatically better than they were even a few years ago. Make sure you get followed up diligently.
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I think that Alex has a point, that Javid is being overlooked as a possibility. I believe the reason for this is that he was seen as a bit of an up and coming star when he first entered the Cabinet, but he didn't really make much impression. He was especially disappointing as Business Sec - he was supposed to lighting a bonfire of silly regulations but nothing seemed to happen. He also supported Stephen Crabb's absurd leadership bid, which won't have helped. However, more recently he's looking a bit more solid. In a field where all the obvious runners have one snag or another, he might be worth a few quid at long odds.
Of course there are presumably some “insider reasons” why he may not apparently be currently favoured. Maybe indeed he has made clear to colleagues that he isn’t interested.
But it seems unlikely that anyone is going to be putting themselves forward on the basis of starring in office, so a record of being a safe pair of hands is hardly the worst position to be in. Gives a foot in the door if nothing else!
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I think that Alex has a point, that Javid is being overlooked as a possibility. I believe the reason for this is that he was seen as a bit of an up and coming star when he first entered the Cabinet, but he didn't really make much impression. He was especially disappointing as Business Sec - he was supposed to lighting a bonfire of silly regulations but nothing seemed to happen. He also supported Stephen Crabb's absurd leadership bid, which won't have helped. However, more recently he's looking a bit more solid. In a field where all the obvious runners have one snag or another, he might be worth a few quid at long odds.
He doesn’t tempt at current odds. The fact that he didn’t run last time suggests either he doesn’t want it enough - or he just doesn’t have enough support in the party.
I have a skin cancer which needs removing. I am annoyed because I saw 4 GPs, the first 3 of whom said 'we don't know what it is but don't worry' and it was only the 4th who said 'I don't know what it is lets ask a specialist.'*
When I saw the specialist at Queens and told her I had had it for 18 months and it had been getting larger she asked why I had not come to see her much sooner.
I didn't really have a polite answer to that and since it was not her fault I just grimaced as if it was my fault.
It will shortly be cut out and hopefully that will be the end of it but it does make me nervous as long as it is still there.
* In fairness they were also dealing with the urinary tract issues at the time so it probably seemed secondary and unimportant.
Best wishes, Richard. I hope the surgery puts an end to the problem.
In the I hope unlikely event that it doesn't, treatments for skin cancer are dramatically better than they were even a few years ago. Make sure you get followed up diligently.
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I think that Alex has a point, that Javid is being overlooked as a possibility. I believe the reason for this is that he was seen as a bit of an up and coming star when he first entered the Cabinet, but he didn't really make much impression. He was especially disappointing as Business Sec - he was supposed to lighting a bonfire of silly regulations but nothing seemed to happen. He also supported Stephen Crabb's absurd leadership bid, which won't have helped. However, more recently he's looking a bit more solid. In a field where all the obvious runners have one snag or another, he might be worth a few quid at long odds.
The trouble is it's easier to fulminate against silly regulations in theory, than identify specific ones in practice. Same with elf n safety gone mad - it turns out that elf n safety regulations are there to stop people losing lives and limbs in avoidable accidents, which is not the worst idea anyone has ever had.
There are lots of silly laws that could be repealed, for example, the Mines and Factories Act 1842.
Look, for me "Is it just coz he is Muslim?" is just offensive. It's bad English and bad manners.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
I think that Alex has a point, that Javid is being overlooked as a possibility. I believe the reason for this is that he was seen as a bit of an up and coming star when he first entered the Cabinet, but he didn't really make much impression. He was especially disappointing as Business Sec - he was supposed to lighting a bonfire of silly regulations but nothing seemed to happen. He also supported Stephen Crabb's absurd leadership bid, which won't have helped. However, more recently he's looking a bit more solid. In a field where all the obvious runners have one snag or another, he might be worth a few quid at long odds.
The trouble is it's easier to fulminate against silly regulations in theory, than identify specific ones in practice. Same with elf n safety gone mad - it turns out that elf n safety regulations are there to stop people losing lives and limbs in avoidable accidents, which is not the worst idea anyone has ever had.
There are lots of silly laws that could be repealed, for example, the Mines and Factories Act 1842.
No women can work underground and no boys under 10 can.
I don't think the latter should be repealed but I'm amazed if the former is still the law.
Nine in ten not owning their own car? I find that hard to believe, especially given how big the "millennial" generation is.
They can afford the car - they can't afford the insurance?!
90% of 18 - 36 year olds can't afford insurance?
I don't think so.
Car insurance is extremely expensive without a no-claims discount. Ludicrously so in the case of anything over 1.2l. My car would be over £2,000 a year to insure on that basis. And of course drivers younger than you and I have littel/no claims discount and as a higher risk group pay more to start.
And then people wonder why we have so many uninsured drivers.
Which was my point"
You can buy a car for £250 - but you may have to spend far more to insure it if you are a young millienial driver without any NCD.
Just to be clear - I knew you meant that. My reply was aimed at Mr Thompson.
Well of course younger drivers pay more, file that under the obvious. When I was 18 I paid a fortune and now that I'm 35 I pay less thanks to being older and having no claims bonus. But from 18 to 35 I've spent now nearly half of my life driving ... all the while being a "Millenial" apparently.
Now as expensive as car insurance is, do you seriously think that I'm in a minority of only 10% in being able to afford a car? And that not only do 90% of people in my age-group not own a car but that they will never be able to afford one either?
There is a Commons majority for a Remainer Brexit stitch-up. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
Not really.
In theory there is, but there is no Conservative majority for it. Which means that if those against a stitch-up pull support for the Government then there is no Government and there is no majority for anything then.
They would have to make Hard Brexit a confidence vote. High risk strategy for a Remainer PM, Chancellor and Home Sec.
There's no such thing as a confidence vote on an issue, just a Vote of No Confidence.
Brexiteers would just need to No Confidence the PM as Party Leader and not No Confidence the government to cause an election.
To have a majority in the House requires both being able to command a majority of votes in the Commons and to be able to command a majority of the party to maintain party leadership.
These would be the same Millennials who will benefit from the biggest 'inheritance boom' of any postwar generation? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42519073
There is a Commons majority for a Remainer Brexit stitch-up. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
Not really.
In theory there is, but there is no Conservative majority for it. Which means that if those against a stitch-up pull support for the Government then there is no Government and there is no majority for anything then.
They would have to make Hard Brexit a confidence vote. High risk strategy for a Remainer PM, Chancellor and Home Sec.
There's no such thing as a confidence vote on an issue, just a Vote of No Confidence.
Brexiteers would just need to No Confidence the PM as Party Leader and not No Confidence the government to cause an election.
To have a majority in the House requires both being able to command a majority of votes in the Commons and to be able to command a majority of the party to maintain party leadership.
So:
May proposes Soft Brexit.
Most Labour SNP and some Tories support it and it passes.
Hard Brexit Tories propose a vote of No Confidence in May.
Labour and SNP vote with the Brexit Tories to get rid of May.
There is a Commons majority for a Remainer Brexit stitch-up. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
Not really.
In theory there is, but there is no Conservative majority for it. Which means that if those against a stitch-up pull support for the Government then there is no Government and there is no majority for anything then.
They would have to make Hard Brexit a confidence vote. High risk strategy for a Remainer PM, Chancellor and Home Sec.
There's no such thing as a confidence vote on an issue, just a Vote of No Confidence.
Brexiteers would just need to No Confidence the PM as Party Leader and not No Confidence the government to cause an election.
To have a majority in the House requires both being able to command a majority of votes in the Commons and to be able to command a majority of the party to maintain party leadership.
So:
May proposes Soft Brexit.
Most Labour SNP and some Tories support it and it passes.
Hard Brexit Tories propose a vote of No Confidence in May.
Labour and SNP vote with the Brexit Tories to get rid of May.
Then what? PM Jezza or PM Moggster?
If (and its a big if) Hard Brexit Tories were going to propose a vote of No Confidence it would be before a Soft Brexit passes. To do it after would be too little too late most likely.
Having said that I doubt it will come for that, but then I doubt there will be a "Remainer Brexit stitch-up" which was the point. A soft Brexit (done right) is not a stitch-up.
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On this occasion only Brexiters are allowed to keep the light on in bed tonight if they are scared of monsters.
We ARE the monsters under the bed
The economy certainly isn’t booming because of tax cuts which mainly haven’t even happened yet. Credit should really go to Obama for that.
At the same time a £ has gone from $1.26 to $1.42
All figures from xe.com charts as I'm being lazy...
I want to actually have sovereignty, in that the politicians we elect and eject are the only ones who make our laws.
Unless we get to actually exercise our sovereignty then theoretically having it but having delegated it is meaningless.
Hope it can be sorted ASAP
And with respect credit where credit is due and notwithstanding his image if he makes America Great again he will deserve the credit, warts and all
Best of luck. Hope the surgery does the trick.
However the tax cuts and that repatriated money haven't actually happened yet. America's growth at present is unrelated to that.
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Made me smile.
I could see Trump getting a second term, I think its a shame Sanders isn't a little bit younger. He would have been an interesting opponent but might be pushing it a little age wise.
Best of luck Richard.
"According to our research, nine in ten of Millennials – the so-called ‘Generation Rent’ – never expect to own a house or car in their lifetime"
https://www.am-online.com/news/market-insight/2018/01/25/department-for-transport-report-highlights-peak-car-threat-to-vehicle-sales
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/driving-goes-into-reverse-as-britain-hits-peak-car-f0kvbn90g
Neither of them could have afforded any of that living in London
Indeed. And indeed one of the reasons why the EU is in my opinion less popular in the UK than in France and Germany is we make a point of obeying all rules whether we want to or not, if we're signed up to them. Whereas in France especially there is a tendency to just ignore and flout inconvenient rules they don't like.
Good luck with the surgery! Hope you get well soon.
So in the words of David Cameron, I would say to overexciteable and skittish commentators : "calm down, dear. Calm down."
Clearly utter bollocks nationally.
" Own car? We dream of owning a wooden spoon and living in a cardboard box".
I actually want to go to the pub, not just theoretically be able to do so.
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I wasn't plenty are, although I would argue generally less so on the left than right, though adjusting for age and such. That was more to do with helping create more materialism would create more right wingers, not an exclusive feature but probably more common in the young on the right. Youngsters just being able to get the latest iPhone isn't going to turn them into Tories, as jealous as those sitting on properties that have seen huge increases in value are of said youngsters ability to spend.
Both left have plenty of more common negative or positive features within their ranks not trying to make out that left is good and right is bad.
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Most acquire their homes by a lifetime of work paying down their mortgages and in most of the Country that trend continues - you can buy property in Wales for £100,000 - £120,000
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Properties have seen huge value rises compared to wages in Wales as well. You can buy a crappy property in a crappy location for under 6 figures in Wales.
This however isn't going to turn youngsters into Tories.
Crisps are cheap to buy.
Although crappy is probably not necessary I apologise. An undesirable property in a low desirability area.
My wife and I have travelled extensively including 8 times round the World in the last ten years but nothing beats going over the Little Orme and seeing the wonderful Victorian Properties along the promenade in Llandudno and overlooked by the magnificient Great Orme
Don’t tell everyone... we don’t want it to be overrun!
Edit - more seriously, which part of Wales do you live in? Will admit I am asking purely out of curiosity so don't feel you have to answer.
That aside
If you tell me that he made friends surrounding his response to Grenfell then well done him. Every day there are bigger issues than that though.
I don't know what went wrong with Javid's campaign to be next Tory leader, but something did some years ago.
In theory there is, but there is no Conservative majority for it. Which means that if those against a stitch-up pull support for the Government then there is no Government and there is no majority for anything then.
I don't think so.
When you have completely ridiculous “candidates” dominating the top of the betting, I don’t see that anybody who seems to have genuine ability and few obvious negatives can be dismissed. I mean for heaven’s sake Mike is tipping Jeremy Hunt for his professed commitment to the NHS.
Not quite sure how that works when his handling of the NHS isn’t exactly universally praised by users and providers alike.
And then people wonder why we have so many uninsured drivers.
You can buy a car for £250 - but you may have to spend far more to insure it if you are a young millienial driver without any NCD.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/car-insurance-can-now-cost-8099221
There was a survey out today suggesting 41 per cent of UK workers had less than £500 in savings. Literally one weeks pay from penury! It speaks volumes as to why so many say they can't afford a car - let alone buy a house at the current crazy prices.
I hope the surgery puts an end to the problem.
In the I hope unlikely event that it doesn't, treatments for skin cancer are dramatically better than they were even a few years ago. Make sure you get followed up diligently.
But it seems unlikely that anyone is going to be putting themselves forward on the basis of starring in office, so a record of being a safe pair of hands is hardly the worst position to be in. Gives a foot in the door if nothing else!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XzYLHOX50Bc
The fact that he didn’t run last time suggests either he doesn’t want it enough - or he just doesn’t have enough support in the party.
I don't think the latter should be repealed but I'm amazed if the former is still the law.
Now as expensive as car insurance is, do you seriously think that I'm in a minority of only 10% in being able to afford a car? And that not only do 90% of people in my age-group not own a car but that they will never be able to afford one either?
I don't think so.
I'd say that a majority of the 18-36 year olds I know already own either a house or a car or both.
Brexiteers would just need to No Confidence the PM as Party Leader and not No Confidence the government to cause an election.
To have a majority in the House requires both being able to command a majority of votes in the Commons and to be able to command a majority of the party to maintain party leadership.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42519073
May proposes Soft Brexit.
Most Labour SNP and some Tories support it and it passes.
Hard Brexit Tories propose a vote of No Confidence in May.
Labour and SNP vote with the Brexit Tories to get rid of May.
Then what? PM Jezza or PM Moggster?
' Owning a home by the age of 25 has become an unachievable dream for many over the last two decades.
Soaring property prices mean just one in five 25-year-olds own a property, compared to nearly half two decades ago, according to one recent study. '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38564137
So 20% of 25 year olds own a house, it will be lower for those younger and higher for those up to 36 years old.
Now add on all those who expect to own a house, already own a car or who expect to own a car.
Its probably well over half not the 10% claimed.
Having said that I doubt it will come for that, but then I doubt there will be a "Remainer Brexit stitch-up" which was the point. A soft Brexit (done right) is not a stitch-up.