There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.
A lot of Tories were saying similar on here at the first annunciation of Jezza.
A lot of Labourites were saying it too -including most Labour MPs and every living ex Labour leader.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.
A lot of Tories were saying similar on here at the first annunciation of Jezza.
A lot of Labourites were saying it too -including most Labour MPs and every living ex Labour leader.
And yet here we are almost two and a half years later with Lab & Cons neck & neck in the polls.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
Of course there is nothing wrong with going on holiday or buying a house, but that’s not what is being said.
There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.
A lot of Tories were saying similar on here at the first annunciation of Jezza.
A lot of Labourites were saying it too -including most Labour MPs and every living ex Labour leader.
And yet here we are almost two and a half years later with Lab & Cons neck & neck in the polls.
Miliband was 12 points ahead. Kinnock 13. Even Foot was ahead in 1980. No opposition has ever come to power without being at least 15 points ahead between elections.
There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.
A lot of Tories were saying similar on here at the first annunciation of Jezza.
A lot of Labourites were saying it too -including most Labour MPs and every living ex Labour leader.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
”Birthday treat”? For an adult? Infantilizing bollocks, if I may say so.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
And I notice you don’t bother to answer my question about a fellow party member who wrote that Holocaust victims “died with dignity”.
The Labour Party used to be better than that. Does it make you proud to be in a party with members who write such things? You are, I hope, decent enough to be better than such people.
As for Pidcock, everything I wrote was true. There would be little criticism of her if she had not held herself out to be such a great exemplar and if she had done the job she is paid to do.
In my professional life I cancelled holidays if the work demanded it. A professional puts their clients first. An MP puts their constituents first. More action, less self-advertisement would be my advice to her if she really wants to earn praise and respect for her work rather than just for being teacher’s pet.
There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.
A lot of Tories were saying similar on here at the first annunciation of Jezza.
A lot of Labourites were saying it too -including most Labour MPs and every living ex Labour leader.
Most admitted they were wrong.
Not you though Comrade F
No. I celebrate leaders who win not leaders who lose.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
Of course there is nothing wrong with going on holiday or buying a house, but that’s not what is being said.
BJO is, I’m sorry to say, deliberately missing the point.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
I visited churches, went to islands, shopped, ate at restaurants, stopped in cafes, walked for hours getting lost in the districts. Almost was stabbed by a man with a stiletto as a I stumbled on a picturesque street brawl in a back lane that could have come from a Caravaggio painting. And saw loads of art. Tintoretto was the big discovery for me. The humane and moving painter.
Venice is dying but it isn't boring. Like Stevenage.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
Name them.
Or STFU - crawl back to your anti-semitic party and prepare for power.
IIRC a cross-Channel bridge was seriously considered before a tunnel was chosen as the preferred option.
I've no idea which would be more cost-effective if we were to create a new link in the future. Tunnelling technology has advanced considerably, I believe.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
Of course there is nothing wrong with going on holiday or buying a house, but that’s not what is being said.
BJO is, I’m sorry to say, deliberately missing the point.
I think you are using trivial examples of things you think make Pidcock a hypocrite. I think the examples you give are pathetic TBH.
Then you bring in serious allegations of Anti Semitic comments which i agree with you are abhorent but have nothing at all to do with Laura Pidcock
I stand by my comment that you have gone all Guido and are better than that but think i will leave it at that for tonight
There is no law to say that Labour has to be one of the two great parties competing for power at general elections. Parties can and do die. They get replaced. Ask the Liberals.
I was convinced Corbyn was the kiss of death for the Labour Party. How wrong I was! The reason was hidden in plain sight. He can't lead and wouldn't know a policy if it bit him in the backside. He's an issues man. Many of those issues are ones that bother ordinary people.
Yes he's utterly incompetent but, you know what? Given a choice between Corbyn and say, Johnson, who is still in the running for Tory leadership, I would go for Corbyn. You would have a gun at my head, but at least Corbyn is sincere.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
”Birthday treat”? For an adult? Infantilizing bollocks, if I may say so.
Nothing wrong with treating yourself to a birthday gift. However, I don't think it unreasonable to suggest delaying it, if one is truly concerned with the passage of legislation one thinks is egregiously bad.
A channel bridge is exactly the sort of forward thinking idea that Boris has but the prudes of the Uk will poo poo.
A privately funded airport in the estuary and a bridge paid for by tolls would get the economy ticking nicely.
Of course the ninny’s of the nation will never go for it - in case it upsets someone.
It could be as gamechanging as his cable car across the Thames!
If someone in the Uk had suggested building a 7 mile long artificial island to house a futuristic airport they would have been sneered at from the front page of the Mail and Guardian.
But the Chinese just shrugged and built that in Hong Kong.
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
You abhor all forms of racism including anti-Semitism, but not to the extent that you let it influence your vote.
Or indeed explicitly criticise a particularly revolting example of it.
“There comes a time when silence is a form of betrayal.” Martin Luther King.
Too many people in Labour have betrayed their anti-racist principles by their silence about and/or refusal/unwillingness to take effective action against the anti-Semites in their party.
It’s always isolated examples and a few bad apples. At what point will it dawn on the party that it’s something more than that?
What makes it so nauseating is how bloody self-righteous Labour are about their own self-proclaimed goodness by comparison with everyone else. Merely pointing out a few facts about Ms Pidcock and expressing an opinion is now deemed to be “hate” rather than amused contempt at the human frailties of latest version of the Soon-To-Be-Annointed-One.
A channel bridge is exactly the sort of forward thinking idea that Boris has but the prudes of the Uk will poo poo.
A privately funded airport in the estuary and a bridge paid for by tolls would get the economy ticking nicely.
Of course the ninny’s of the nation will never go for it - in case it upsets someone.
It could be as gamechanging as his cable car across the Thames!
If someone in the Uk had suggested building a 7 mile long artificial island to house a futuristic airport they would have been sneered at from the front page of the Mail and Guardian.
But the Chinese just shrugged and built that in Hong Kong.
Man up and build !
Having worked in an area tangential to planning development for many years now, I must say that seeing all the obstacles really turns one into a development hawk after awhile. Not to say we do want a giant free for all, but seeing how hard and how long people object to even the most minor of things, it really starts to reduce the impact of people's complaints on the big things!
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
A channel bridge is exactly the sort of forward thinking idea that Boris has but the prudes of the Uk will poo poo.
A privately funded airport in the estuary and a bridge paid for by tolls would get the economy ticking nicely.
Of course the ninny’s of the nation will never go for it - in case it upsets someone.
It could be as gamechanging as his cable car across the Thames!
If someone in the Uk had suggested building a 7 mile long artificial island to house a futuristic airport they would have been sneered at from the front page of the Mail and Guardian.
But the Chinese just shrugged and built that in Hong Kong.
Man up and build !
Didn’t we build HK airport? I landed there on my first visit a year after the handover.
Boris and infrastructure do not mix: the cable car, the garden bridge, the West Ham Olympic stadium fiasco ...
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
The Conwy river tunnel was laid on the bed of the Conwy in prefabricated sections
So Laura Pidcock is the Corbynites heir apparent and Gavin Williamson the Mayites heir apparent. What leadership we have to look forward to!
The difference is that the Corbynites (or at least Jon Lansman) will choose the next Labour leader, whereas the Mayites (all two of them) will have zero influence on the next Conservative contest.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
Name them.
Or STFU - crawl back to your anti-semitic party and prepare for power.
Your posting history is there for all to see.
You support every Tory policy no matter how shitty. No matter how many disabled people have committed suicide how many nurses are forced to use foodbanks No matter how many patients are lying or dying in hospital corridors its always someone else to blame.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
Here the link - a short section is a sunken pipe to allow shipping to pass.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
Of course there is nothing wrong with going on holiday or buying a house, but that’s not what is being said.
BJO is, I’m sorry to say, deliberately missing the point.
I think you are using trivial examples of things you think make Pidcock a hypocrite. I think the examples you give are pathetic TBH.
Then you bring in serious allegations of Anti Semitic comments which i agree with you are abhorent but have nothing at all to do with Laura Pidcock
I stand by my comment that you have gone all Guido and are better than that but think i will leave it at that for tonight
They are the main things mentioned in a story written by her local newspaper about her. That’s where I got them from. You may think them trivial. The newspaper didn’t. Perhaps they are her only achievements.
I am glad that you agree that those comments are abhorrent. I did not link them to Ms Pidcock. I was moving the conversation on, not least because I am fed up with Labour criticising everyone else for their perceived faults but ignoring its own.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
In a former life, as a young whipper-snapper I worked on that project.
So Laura Pidcock is the Corbynites heir apparent and Gavin Williamson the Mayites heir apparent. What leadership we have to look forward to!
The difference is that the Corbynites (or at least Jon Lansman) will choose the next Labour leader, whereas the Mayites (all two of them) will have zero influence on the next Conservative contest.
Depends if he gets enough MP support to get to the final two, he is certainly playing to the Tory membership gallery in opposing defence cuts
IIRC a cross-Channel bridge was seriously considered before a tunnel was chosen as the preferred option.
I've no idea which would be more cost-effective if we were to create a new link in the future. Tunnelling technology has advanced considerably, I believe.
It is hard to see how you would build a bridge across the Channel, one of the busiest stretches of water for shipping on the planet. Presumably there would be a need for a series of artificial islands. Even then, there are going to be very wide spans - and they are going to be regularly closed for strong winds. You'd think a tunnel would win out every time. And we know it is do-able!
WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
I visited churches, went to islands, shopped, ate at restaurants, stopped in cafes, walked for hours getting lost in the districts. Almost was stabbed by a man with a stiletto as a I stumbled on a picturesque street brawl in a back lane that could have come from a Caravaggio painting. And saw loads of art. Tintoretto was the big discovery for me. The humane and moving painter.
Venice is dying but it isn't boring. Like Stevenage.
Wasn’t it John Julius Norwich who said his father had advised him that when he was in Venice he should walk around all day and only go inside two buildings: St. Marks and Harry’s Bar.
That said, the Scuolo di San Rocco must be one of the most extraordinary buildings on the planet.
So Laura Pidcock is the Corbynites heir apparent and Gavin Williamson the Mayites heir apparent. What leadership we have to look forward to!
The difference is that the Corbynites (or at least Jon Lansman) will choose the next Labour leader, whereas the Mayites (all two of them) will have zero influence on the next Conservative contest.
Depends if he gets enough MP support to get to the final two, he is certainly playing to the Tory membership gallery in opposing defence cuts
He has zero support in the party at large, and negative support amongst MPs. Even that might not be totally insuperable if he were a Cameron-style natural who could in time convince people that he was the one to make the party win big again, but he's not; he's dull as ditchwater. I'm sure he's talented and diligent in a junior role involving a good grip of detail, but he's not leadership material. Plus he may have the severe disadvantage of being supported by TM, which will be a toxic recommendation.
IIRC a cross-Channel bridge was seriously considered before a tunnel was chosen as the preferred option.
I've no idea which would be more cost-effective if we were to create a new link in the future. Tunnelling technology has advanced considerably, I believe.
It is hard to see how you would build a bridge across the Channel, one of the busiest stretches of water for shipping on the planet. Presumably there would be a need for a series of artificial islands. Even then, there are going to be very wide spans - and they are going to be regularly closed for strong winds. You'd think a tunnel would win out every time. And we know it is do-able!
So Laura Pidcock is the Corbynites heir apparent and Gavin Williamson the Mayites heir apparent. What leadership we have to look forward to!
The difference is that the Corbynites (or at least Jon Lansman) will choose the next Labour leader, whereas the Mayites (all two of them) will have zero influence on the next Conservative contest.
Depends if he gets enough MP support to get to the final two, he is certainly playing to the Tory membership gallery in opposing defence cuts
He has zero support in the party at large, and negative support amongst MPs. Even that might not be totally insuperable if he were a Cameron-style natural who could in time convince people that he was the one to make the party win big again, but he's not; he's dull as ditchwater. I'm sure he's talented and diligent in a junior role involving a good grip of detail, but he's not leadership material. Plus he may have the severe disadvantage of being supported by TM, which will be a toxic recommendation.
We will see but as one of the few fresh faces in the Cabinet he and Hinds are likely to be the leading candidates for a 'new generation' leader to challenge the big beasts of Boris, Davis, Gove and Mogg
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
Name them.
Or STFU - crawl back to your anti-semitic party and prepare for power.
Your posting history is there for all to see.
You support every Tory policy no matter how shitty. No matter how many disabled people have committed suicide how many nurses are forced to use foodbanks No matter how many patients are lying or dying in hospital corridors its always someone else to blame.
You are an abhorent apologist.
My father died as a result of a strike by junior doctors during a Labour government. He was turned away from a hospital. His operation was cancelled. And by the time it was done it was too late. 39 years ago this week as it happens.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
Here the link - a short section is a sunken pipe to allow shipping to pass.
WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
I visited churches, went to islands, shopped, ate at restaurants, stopped in cafes, walked for hours getting lost in the districts. Almost was stabbed by a man with a stiletto as a I stumbled on a picturesque street brawl in a back lane that could have come from a Caravaggio painting. And saw loads of art. Tintoretto was the big discovery for me. The humane and moving painter.
Venice is dying but it isn't boring. Like Stevenage.
Wasn’t it John Julius Norwich who said his father had advised him that when he was in Venice he should walk around all day and only go inside two buildings: St. Marks and Harry’s Bar.
That said, the Scuolo di San Rocco must be one of the most extraordinary buildings on the planet.
If the prospect of a week in Venice is boring to you, it’s you who has the problem. Was there for four days in December. Spent most of the time wandering or on the water buses. It was extraordinary and magnificent and quiet and a million miles from anywhere in the centre of the world. Five minutes from St Marks and it’s just you and the lapping of the canals with the reflections of the buildings dancing on the water.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
In a former life, as a young whipper-snapper I worked on that project.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
In a former life, as a young whipper-snapper I worked on that project.
WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
I visited churches, went to islands, shopped, ate at restaurants, stopped in cafes, walked for hours getting lost in the districts. Almost was stabbed by a man with a stiletto as a I stumbled on a picturesque street brawl in a back lane that could have come from a Caravaggio painting. And saw loads of art. Tintoretto was the big discovery for me. The humane and moving painter.
Venice is dying but it isn't boring. Like Stevenage.
Wasn’t it John Julius Norwich who said his father had advised him that when he was in Venice he should walk around all day and only go inside two buildings: St. Marks and Harry’s Bar.
That said, the Scuolo di San Rocco must be one of the most extraordinary buildings on the planet.
If the prospect of a week in Venice is boring to you, it’s you who has the problem. Was there for four days in December. Spent most of the time wandering or on the water buses. It was extraordinary and magnificent and quiet and a million miles from anywhere in the centre of the world. Five minutes from St Marks and it’s just you and the lapping of the canals with the reflections of the buildings dancing on the water.
If you didn’t go to see the Tintorettos then you wasted your trip.
There have been comments on here, on Guido's blog and elsewhere about Jared O'Mara having not spoken in the House since his election; but perhaps that's what his constituents want.Sir Harry Legge-Bourke was MP for the Isle of Ely from 1945-1973 and never made a speech. His constituents loved him; it was just what the taciturn fenland folk wanted of an MP. When he died they kicked out the Conservatives, as the candidate had promised to speak.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
Name them.
Or STFU - crawl back to your anti-semitic party and prepare for power.
Your posting history is there for all to see.
You support every Tory policy no matter how shitty. No matter how many disabled people have committed suicide how many nurses are forced to use foodbanks No matter how many patients are lying or dying in hospital corridors its always someone else to blame.
You are an abhorent apologist.
My father died as a result of a strike by junior doctors during a Labour government. He was turned away from a hospital. His operation was cancelled. And by the time it was done it was too late. 39 years ago this week as it happens.
Are you an apologist for that?
That is so sad and does underline that the NHS has always had failings under all governments
Yep - I’d say those are fantastic odds. She ticks every box from a Corbynista perspective and is a lot less wooden than Rebecca Long Bailey.
Angela Rayner is a better bet than either Pidock or Long Bailey.
I wouldn't rule out Jess Phillips or Stella Creasy either. Neither is Corbynista, but the Labour Selectorate have never been ones to do as they are told.
They’ve certainly never been ones to vote for a woman.
They never elected anyone as left wing as Jezza either. There is always a first time.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
In a former life, as a young whipper-snapper I worked on that project.
Would this be the Laura Pidcock who jetted off to Venice for her birthday for a week when Parliament was sitting thereby missing a debate on Universal Credit, a topic she claimed was close to her heart, and which formed the basis of her questions to the PM?
And who, when criticised, moaned that it was her birthday, apparently oblivious of the concept of weekends / celebrating her birthday in London / putting her constituents first.
The Laura Pidcock who claimed she could not afford to buy a house and then bought a 3-bedroom house?
That Laura Pidcock?
Yes - she seems to have all the qualities needed for being a Labour star: buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy.
Shes bought a house and not only a house but a detached one.
Of course her and her partner dont really need 3 bedrooms either they should make do with a tent IMO.
And she has been on holiday as well what a bloody hypocrite.
You do astound me at times Ms Cyclefree.
You miss the point.
You said she has "buckets of self-righteousness, a culture of entitlement and the necessary amount of hypocrisy" for getting a mortgage on a modest property with her boyfriend and for not cancelling a birthday treat.
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
But are you better than being an apologist for anti-semites? No evidence of it yet....
I abhor all forms of Racism including Anti Semitism
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
Name them.
Or STFU - crawl back to your anti-semitic party and prepare for power.
Your posting history is there for all to see.
You support every Tory policy no matter how shitty. No matter how many disabled people have committed suicide how many nurses are forced to use foodbanks No matter how many patients are lying or dying in hospital corridors its always someone else to blame.
You are an abhorent apologist.
My father died as a result of a strike by junior doctors during a Labour government. He was turned away from a hospital. His operation was cancelled. And by the time it was done it was too late. 39 years ago this week as it happens.
Are you an apologist for that?
Cyclefree .Can you do a thread on all your accusations of antisemitism ?
WTF do you do for a whole week somewhere as small, smug, boring, self-regarding and over-hyped as Venice?
I visited churches, went to islands, shopped, ate at restaurants, stopped in cafes, walked for hours getting lost in the districts. Almost was stabbed by a man with a stiletto as a I stumbled on a picturesque street brawl in a back lane that could have come from a Caravaggio painting. And saw loads of art. Tintoretto was the big discovery for me. The humane and moving painter.
Venice is dying but it isn't boring. Like Stevenage.
Wasn’t it John Julius Norwich who said his father had advised him that when he was in Venice he should walk around all day and only go inside two buildings: St. Marks and Harry’s Bar.
That said, the Scuolo di San Rocco must be one of the most extraordinary buildings on the planet.
If the prospect of a week in Venice is boring to you, it’s you who has the problem. Was there for four days in December. Spent most of the time wandering or on the water buses. It was extraordinary and magnificent and quiet and a million miles from anywhere in the centre of the world. Five minutes from St Marks and it’s just you and the lapping of the canals with the reflections of the buildings dancing on the water.
If you didn’t go to see the Tintorettos then you wasted your trip.
I’ll be the judge of that! It will not be my last time there.
There have been comments on here, on Guido's blog and elsewhere about Jared O'Mara having not spoken in the House since his election; but perhaps that's what his constituents want.Sir Harry Legge-Bourke was MP for the Isle of Ely from 1945-1973 and never made a speech. His constituents loved him; it was just what the taciturn fenland folk wanted of an MP. When he died they kicked out the Conservatives, as the candidate had promised to speak.
O'Mara got rid of Clegg, so he can't be all bad
As it was Clement Freud who won in 1973 I doubt the voters were averse to someone willing to speak publicly on any subject available.
IIRC the Denmark to Sweden tunnel is actually a big pipe which was sunk down onto the sea bed - no tunnelling required.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
Some years ago I drove across the 16km Oresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden and it was amazing
In a former life, as a young whipper-snapper I worked on that project.
How interesting - great engineering project
If it falls down...You ain't seen me...right.
I very much doubt you have a worry on that score
In all seriousness, I remember going to see it in person shortly after completion and it was an absolutely fantastic experience.
IIRC a cross-Channel bridge was seriously considered before a tunnel was chosen as the preferred option.
I've no idea which would be more cost-effective if we were to create a new link in the future. Tunnelling technology has advanced considerably, I believe.
My dad was a big fan of the Channel Tunnel project and favoured a bridge at the time. It would have been a – erm – bridge too far then. Not now. Build it.
Of course we should build a bridge to France. Boris Johnson has gone up in my estimations.
Let's couple it with freedom of movement over the bridge so there is no border other than symbolic flags at the 11-mile mark.
We have freedom of movement now and there's still a border
There shouldn't be. A bridge with no borders. Build it and join Schengen. Flags and free bordeaux and brie at the 11-mile mark for those that want to stop and enjoy the view.
This month more than ten times the numbers of operations have been cancelled than in the entirety of the junior doctors strike. No elective GA surgery is now being undertaken in my hospital apart from cancers or similar.
Comments
You come over as a mixture of a Daily Mail hate Columnist and Guido, tonight.
You are better than that.
Not you though Comrade F
You can still find it here (comment number 18).
https://web.archive.org/web/20101008042534/http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2008/09/12/could-kitty-be-labours-sarah-palin/
100/1 Kitty at ladbrokes. I will ensure some extra telephonists are on standby to cover the rush.
(Comment number 55)
You are definitely an apologist for lots of shitty things though.
"100/1 Kitty at ladbrokes. I will ensure some extra telephonists are on standby to cover the rush."
A privately funded airport in the estuary and a bridge paid for by tolls would get the economy ticking nicely.
Of course the ninny’s of the nation will never go for it - in case it upsets someone.
https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICO_Steve/status/954092652433035264
Venice is dying but it isn't boring. Like Stevenage.
Or STFU - crawl back to your anti-semitic party and prepare for power.
I've no idea which would be more cost-effective if we were to create a new link in the future. Tunnelling technology has advanced considerably, I believe.
Then you bring in serious allegations of Anti Semitic comments which i agree with you are abhorent but have nothing at all to do with Laura Pidcock
I stand by my comment that you have gone all Guido and are better than that but think i will leave it at that for tonight
Yes he's utterly incompetent but, you know what? Given a choice between Corbyn and say, Johnson, who is still in the running for Tory leadership, I would go for Corbyn. You would have a gun at my head, but at least Corbyn is sincere.
Brunel would have ate up the channel for tea with today’s technology. Unfortunately your average graduate these days is studying trans right so prefers tearing down statues and checking privilege than forging the future.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/954122033532755969
But the Chinese just shrugged and built that in Hong Kong.
Man up and build !
“There comes a time when silence is a form of betrayal.” Martin Luther King.
Too many people in Labour have betrayed their anti-racist principles by their silence about and/or refusal/unwillingness to take effective action against the anti-Semites in their party.
It’s always isolated examples and a few bad apples. At what point will it dawn on the party that it’s something more than that?
What makes it so nauseating is how bloody self-righteous Labour are about their own self-proclaimed goodness by comparison with everyone else. Merely pointing out a few facts about Ms Pidcock and expressing an opinion is now deemed to be “hate” rather than amused contempt at the human frailties of latest version of the Soon-To-Be-Annointed-One.
I’m not shocked.
Quite delighted, in fact. More work for my new business!
Boris and infrastructure do not mix: the cable car, the garden bridge, the West Ham Olympic stadium fiasco ...
You support every Tory policy no matter how shitty. No matter how many disabled people have committed suicide how many nurses are forced to use foodbanks No matter how many patients are lying or dying in hospital corridors its always someone else to blame.
You are an abhorent apologist.
Here the link - a short section is a sunken pipe to allow shipping to pass.
https://www.boredpanda.com/tunnel-bridge-oresund-link-artificial-island-sweden-denmark/
Costs £30 one way to take a car over. Can imagine the toll for a channel bridge might be north of £60 ?
Back in 1975, as in 2016, it was down to the MPs.
I am glad that you agree that those comments are abhorrent. I did not link them to Ms Pidcock. I was moving the conversation on, not least because I am fed up with Labour criticising everyone else for their perceived faults but ignoring its own.
Good night.
Theresa May (call an election)
Theresa May not win a majority
That said, the Scuolo di San Rocco must be one of the most extraordinary buildings on the planet.
Oh and good security to keep the illegal immigrants out.
Are you an apologist for that?
The other is a amalgamation of urination and a phallus.
Perhaps she could get married to someone without a Finbar Saunders gag surname ?
O'Mara got rid of Clegg, so he can't be all bad
I doubt he could've farted in 2016 without the government knowing about it TBH...
Of course we should build a bridge to France. Boris Johnson has gone up in my estimations.
Let's couple it with freedom of movement over the bridge so there is no border other than symbolic flags at the 11-mile mark.
Defeatist attitude!
This month more than ten times the numbers of operations have been cancelled than in the entirety of the junior doctors strike. No elective GA surgery is now being undertaken in my hospital apart from cancers or similar.
Not much PB Tory outrage about that.