Bristol deserved it in every way. United are turning into a team of lazy players who are only going one way in the table and it is not up. And I am a lifelong United supporter
The Polish government has accused the European commission of a politically motivated attack after it triggered a process that could see the country stripped of voting rights in Brussels, over legal changes that the bloc claims threaten the independence of the country’s judiciary.
Really don't think there is any chance of it happening. It needs a unanimous decision by the other EU members (including the UK at the moment) and Hungary has already said it will veto any such move.
The Polish government has accused the European commission of a politically motivated attack after it triggered a process that could see the country stripped of voting rights in Brussels, over legal changes that the bloc claims threaten the independence of the country’s judiciary.
Nah, the 27 are unified in all matters, as any number of posters on here keep telling us.
Green made a point of saying that he'd never been informed of the porn allegation. He's admitted that was a lie. It's absolutely right that he be fired for that lie.
Davis never said he'd resign if Green was sacked for lying.
Green's a fool, the plods are liars and Davis is a pillock with principles.
With thanks to whoever coined the phrase 'pillock with principles' about Zac Goldsmith.
Meanwhile we have rape and coverup allegations about Labour plus suicides.
The Polish government has accused the European commission of a politically motivated attack after it triggered a process that could see the country stripped of voting rights in Brussels, over legal changes that the bloc claims threaten the independence of the country’s judiciary.
It would need unanimity in the council and a vote in the parliament. Irony of ironies, Leave EU are calling on Theresa May to veto it...
Why would he need to move? You can hold First Secretary of State and another ministerial post, somebody else can take over as a junior minister in the Cabinet office for Green. (ok, its not that junior, but it is not secretary of state level)
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Was it really only a decade ago that a Home Secretary could happily let her husband claim for porn videos on MP's expenses? Such happy innocent times they were...
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Sometimes I wonder whether you actually believe what you type.
Was it really only a decade ago that a Home Secretary could happily let her husband claim for porn videos on MP's expenses? Such happy innocent times they were...
It was great, especially as one of the porno films was a gay porno.
Was when I introduced PBers to the term barebacking.
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Around the the same time the spinning Jenny, black and white tv and It’s a Knock out return to their rightful places in our hearts.
He'd stay on, Hague and Osborne had the title and a brief.
The reports say given Brexit, the First Secretary of State should hold no other portfolio according to Mrs May.
Apparently that's why her first choice Amber Rudd turned it down, she wants to be both Home Sec and First Secretary of State.
Oliver Letwin would be a good outside bet, especially after his amendment got May out of a hole on the Brexit date. The best Deputy Leaders tend to be experienced figures who are loyal with no real leadership ambitions of their own and he ticks all those boxes.
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Yawn.
I can't wait to see how, on the day we leave the Eu, you'll spin that as a win for the three remaining Euro federalists in Britain.
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Bristol deserved it in every way. United are turning into a team of lazy players who are only going one way in the table and it is not up. And I am a lifelong United supporter
Thanks Big G. It's turning into a really special season for us and maybe we can finally reach the big league
Was it really only a decade ago that a Home Secretary could happily let her husband claim for porn videos on MP's expenses? Such happy innocent times they were...
It was great, especially as one of the porno films was a gay porno.
Was when I introduced PBers to the term barebacking.
Such innocent lives they lead. I'm more Baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells personally... Anyway, it's porn. He's a man. Some of it was a bit kinky, and he's a Tory. Why did he lie?
Bristol deserved it in every way. United are turning into a team of lazy players who are only going one way in the table and it is not up. And I am a lifelong United supporter
Thanks Big G. It's turning into a really special season for us and maybe we can finally reach the big league
On tonights performance you should make it and they would be an asset to the premiership
Modesty forbids me repeating my post of the other night when Peston said he'd heard Green was definitely OK and Kuenssberg said that was bullshit that Kuennsberg of the BBC was the one to follow....
Ta. So, presumably the intention is virtue signalling?
I called it more of a circle jerk.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
That's irrelevant. What matters is how many of them will campaign over the coming years.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Where? Most Britains still oppose the Euro and even now polls show support for the EU well below where it was 15 years ago.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
He'd stay on, Hague and Osborne had the title and a brief.
The reports say given Brexit, the First Secretary of State should hold no other portfolio according to Mrs May.
Apparently that's why her first choice Amber Rudd turned it down, she wants to be both Home Sec and First Secretary of State.
Oliver Letwin would be a good outside bet, especially after his amendment got May out of a hole on the Brexit date. The best Deputy Leaders tend to be experienced figures who are loyal with no real leadership ambitions of their own and he ticks all those boxes.
Grayling also a possibility
On Letwin,Didn't he advise Thatcher to keep going with the poll tax when others warned of catastrophic outcome.
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
If there's no bigger reshuffle coming, I agree.
It's striking that although the sexual issue gets a mention, it is in fact the police leak contradicting his public statement that brought him down.
Which raises the question: if you are a policeman, with a duty of both confidentiality and upholding the law, and you hear someone in public office say something that you know to be false (thereby breaking the Ministerial Code), what action should you take? If the politician strongly attacks a colleague for telling the truth about the matter, does that affect the position? I'm not comfortable with the police leaks, but I'm not sure I'd remain silent in that situation either. Perhaps privately informing the Cabinet Office would be the right course?
He'd stay on, Hague and Osborne had the title and a brief.
The reports say given Brexit, the First Secretary of State should hold no other portfolio according to Mrs May.
Apparently that's why her first choice Amber Rudd turned it down, she wants to be both Home Sec and First Secretary of State.
Oliver Letwin would be a good outside bet, especially after his amendment got May out of a hole on the Brexit date. The best Deputy Leaders tend to be experienced figures who are loyal with no real leadership ambitions of their own and he ticks all those boxes.
Grayling also a possibility
New blood is needed - Letwin and Grayling do not cut the mustard
Modesty forbids me repeating my post of the other night when Peston said he'd heard Green was definitely OK and Kuenssberg said that was bullshit that Kuennsberg of the BBC was the one to follow....
Careful, you will spoil your rogerdamus track record
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
If there's no bigger reshuffle coming, I agree.
It's striking that although the sexual issue gets a mention, it is in fact the police leak contradicting his public statement that brought him down.
Which raises the question: if you are a policeman, with a duty of both confidentiality and upholding the law, and you hear someone in public office say something that you know to be false (thereby breaking the Ministerial Code), what action should you take? If the politician strongly attacks a colleague for telling the truth about the matter, does that affect the position? I'm not comfortable with the police leaks, but I'm not sure I'd remain silent in that situation either. Perhaps privately informing the Cabinet Office would be the right course?
It would have been better, to a degree. That he held onto police notes he was instructed to destroy make it a malicious act, however, and totally improper. He didn't know this would all come up again, it is not the role of the police to hold onto notes which are not yours on the off chance someone 10 years later says something untrue about it. What was he planning to do with them if this did not come up?
Modesty forbids me repeating my post of the other night when Peston said he'd heard Green was definitely OK and Kuenssberg said that was bullshit that Kuennsberg of the BBC was the one to follow....
Bristol deserved it in every way. United are turning into a team of lazy players who are only going one way in the table and it is not up. And I am a lifelong United supporter
Thanks Big G. It's turning into a really special season for us and maybe we can finally reach the big league
On tonights performance you should make it and they would be an asset to the premiership
It's always been frustrating as we have had that sleeping giant tag as we have such a massive potential catchment area. When we lost in the playoff final against Hull, we probably wouldn't have lasted long but now with the stadium redevelopment we finally have the infrastructure to have a chance of getting there and staying there.
Well, top marks to the government on media management. Without descending to New Labour depths of labelling a day when thousands had been incinerated or crushed, or jumped to their deaths, as 'a good day to bury bad news', it's hard to see how a better time than two days before the Xmas break could be chosen to mitigate this embarrassing story.
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
If there's no bigger reshuffle coming, I agree.
It's striking that although the sexual issue gets a mention, it is in fact the police leak contradicting his public statement that brought him down.
Which raises the question: if you are a policeman, with a duty of both confidentiality and upholding the law, and you hear someone in public office say something that you know to be false (thereby breaking the Ministerial Code), what action should you take? If the politician strongly attacks a colleague for telling the truth about the matter, does that affect the position? I'm not comfortable with the police leaks, but I'm not sure I'd remain silent in that situation either. Perhaps privately informing the Cabinet Office would be the right course?
It would have been better, to a degree. That he held onto police notes he was instructed to destroy make it a malicious act, however, and totally improper. He didn't know this would all come up again, it is not the role of the police to hold onto notes which are not yours on the off chance someone 10 years later says something untrue about it. What was he planning to do with them if this did not come up?
True enough, but stolen confidential data has been widely used as a political and journalistic weapon for years. Just in the last few years we had the stolen Clinton emails dominating the POTUS election, and the stolen expenses data in the Telegraph doing the same here.
What the politicians do not like is ordinary working people doing the same. When a Minister does it, it is called a leak, when joe public does it then it is a criminal breach of data protection.
His friendship with TM goes back to University and he will be loyal. Indeed if he keeps his head down he could be back in office at some time in the future
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
If there's no bigger reshuffle coming, I agree.
It's striking that although the sexual issue gets a mention, it is in fact the police leak contradicting his public statement that brought him down.
Which raises the question: if you are a policeman, with a duty of both confidentiality and upholding the law, and you hear someone in public office say something that you know to be false (thereby breaking the Ministerial Code), what action should you take? If the politician strongly attacks a colleague for telling the truth about the matter, does that affect the position? I'm not comfortable with the police leaks, but I'm not sure I'd remain silent in that situation either. Perhaps privately informing the Cabinet Office would be the right course?
It would have been better, to a degree. That he held onto police notes he was instructed to destroy make it a malicious act, however, and totally improper. He didn't know this would all come up again, it is not the role of the police to hold onto notes which are not yours on the off chance someone 10 years later says something untrue about it. What was he planning to do with them if this did not come up?
True enough, but stolen confidential data has been widely used as a political and journalistic weapon for years. Just in the last few years we had the stolen Clinton emails dominating the POTUS election, and the stolen expenses data in the Telegraph doing the same here.
Hmmm, did retired cops release the information in those cases?
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
If there's no bigger reshuffle coming, I agree.
It's striking that although the sexual issue gets a mention, it is in fact the police leak contradicting his public statement that brought him down.
Which raises the question: if you are a policeman, with a duty of both confidentiality and upholding the law, and you hear someone in public office say something that you know to be false (thereby breaking the Ministerial Code), what action should you take? If the politician strongly attacks a colleague for telling the truth about the matter, does that affect the position? I'm not comfortable with the police leaks, but I'm not sure I'd remain silent in that situation either. Perhaps privately informing the Cabinet Office would be the right course?
It would have been better, to a degree. That he held onto police notes he was instructed to destroy make it a malicious act, however, and totally improper. He didn't know this would all come up again, it is not the role of the police to hold onto notes which are not yours on the off chance someone 10 years later says something untrue about it. What was he planning to do with them if this did not come up?
True enough, but stolen confidential data has been widely used as a political and journalistic weapon for years.
I suppose that is true - although I find it from the police unedifying, and in a case like this, there wasn't really any clear public interest argument for why the leakers had it in the first place; they didn't know Green might one day deny it, and the data itself was not about anything criminal and moral concerns is no business of the police, so why did they keep it?
Well, top marks to the government on media management. Without descending to New Labour depths of labelling a day when thousands had been incinerated or crushed, or jumped to their deaths, as 'a good day to bury bad news', it's hard to see how a better time than two days before the Xmas break could be chosen to mitigate this embarrassing story.
@jackcevans: Lord Mandelson keeps the honour of being sacked closest to Xmas- Damian Green- 20th Dec 2017, Peter Mandelson- 23rd Dec 1998
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Anybody thinking he'll dish the dirt on Theresa will be sorely disappointed... He'll be loyal - indeed you can see there's orchestrated his departure at a time and in a way that will do minimal damage to TM and the government....
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
I'm pretty sure you didn't say it would be a 'net' vote loser.
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
Thatcher actually stopped the decline in grammar schools as PM, had the rate of decline of grammar schools in the 1970s continued in the 1980s there would have been none left in 1990.
Instead there are now more grammar schools in the UK now than there were in 1979.
Well, top marks to the government on media management. Without descending to New Labour depths of labelling a day when thousands had been incinerated or crushed, or jumped to their deaths, as 'a good day to bury bad news', it's hard to see how a better time than two days before the Xmas break could be chosen to mitigate this embarrassing story.
@jackcevans: Lord Mandelson keeps the honour of being sacked closest to Xmas- Damian Green- 20th Dec 2017, Peter Mandelson- 23rd Dec 1998
Was that Mandelson's dubious mortgage transactions ?
There were so many times Mandelson was 'embarassed' that I can't remember which was which.
Damian Green had to go. It turns out he did lie on the question of knowing that porn was found on his computer. That is the entire point.
The next thing that should happen is that the ex-police officers who revealed confidential information obtained in the course of their duties should be prosecuted.
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
I'm pretty sure you didn't say it would be a 'net' vote loser.
I did.
However the polling also found more people in favour of scrapping existing current grammar schools/or not creating any more grammar schools. This is probably based on the studies that show 'that poor children do dramatically worse in selective areas' as grammar schools might help a few, in totality they are worse for children.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
He'd stay on, Hague and Osborne had the title and a brief.
The reports say given Brexit, the First Secretary of State should hold no other portfolio according to Mrs May.
Apparently that's why her first choice Amber Rudd turned it down, she wants to be both Home Sec and First Secretary of State.
Oliver Letwin would be a good outside bet, especially after his amendment got May out of a hole on the Brexit date. The best Deputy Leaders tend to be experienced figures who are loyal with no real leadership ambitions of their own and he ticks all those boxes.
Grayling also a possibility
New blood is needed - Letwin and Grayling do not cut the mustard
As Deputy PM no. A Deputy PM must be an experienced and loyal heavyweight, eg Howe, Heseltine, Prescott, Green etc. (Clegg only got the gig under Cameron as LD leader in a Coalition)
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
Thatcher actually stopped the decline in grammar schools as PM, had the rate of decline of grammar schools in the 1970s continued in the 1980s there would have been none left in 1990.
Instead there are now more grammar schools in the UK now than there were in 1979.
There were fewer grammar schools at the end of Mrs T's tenures as Education Secretary and PM than at the start.
The next thing that should happen is that the ex-police officers who revealed confidential information obtained in the course of their duties should be prosecuted.
Well good riddance to Damian Howard Green! A wonderful firecracker with which to end a dramatic political year.
On another note, does anybody know the current whereabouts of Stephen Robert Lynn? - he was a director on the Thameside Construction Company, that went into liquidation in March 2014
He'd stay on, Hague and Osborne had the title and a brief.
The reports say given Brexit, the First Secretary of State should hold no other portfolio according to Mrs May.
Apparently that's why her first choice Amber Rudd turned it down, she wants to be both Home Sec and First Secretary of State.
Oliver Letwin would be a good outside bet, especially after his amendment got May out of a hole on the Brexit date. The best Deputy Leaders tend to be experienced figures who are loyal with no real leadership ambitions of their own and he ticks all those boxes.
Grayling also a possibility
On Letwin,Didn't he advise Thatcher to keep going with the poll tax when others warned of catastrophic outcome.
He is an intellectual first which may make Grayling a better bet.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
Thatcher actually stopped the decline in grammar schools as PM, had the rate of decline of grammar schools in the 1970s continued in the 1980s there would have been none left in 1990.
Instead there are now more grammar schools in the UK now than there were in 1979.
There were fewer grammar schools at the end of Mrs T's tenures as Education Secretary and PM than at the start.
The numbers were virtually unchanged, whereas in the late 1960s and 1970s the vast majority of grammars were closed, a process started under Crosland. Today there are now more grammar schools than there were in 1979, that would not be the case if Thatcher had allowed them to be shut at the rate they were being in the 1970s.
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
I'm pretty sure you didn't say it would be a 'net' vote loser.
I did.
However the polling also found more people in favour of scrapping existing current grammar schools/or not creating any more grammar schools. This is probably based on the studies that show 'that poor children do dramatically worse in selective areas' as grammar schools might help a few, in totality they are worse for children.
Damian Green had to go. It turns out he did lie on the question of knowing that porn was found on his computer. That is the entire point.
The next thing that should happen is that the ex-police officers who revealed confidential information obtained in the course of their duties should be prosecuted.
The next thing that should happen is that the ex-police officers who revealed confidential information obtained in the course of their duties should be prosecuted.
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
I'm pretty sure you didn't say it would be a 'net' vote loser.
I did.
However the polling also found more people in favour of scrapping existing current grammar schools/or not creating any more grammar schools. This is probably based on the studies that show 'that poor children do dramatically worse in selective areas' as grammar schools might help a few, in totality they are worse for children.
38% supported more grammar schools, 23% wanted to scrap existing grammar schools in that poll. So more wanted to open new grammars than to shut existing ones.
If you add in the 17% who want to keep current grammars but not open any more, 55% of voters want to have some grammar schools in the UK
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
Thatcher actually stopped the decline in grammar schools as PM, had the rate of decline of grammar schools in the 1970s continued in the 1980s there would have been none left in 1990.
Instead there are now more grammar schools in the UK now than there were in 1979.
There were fewer grammar schools at the end of Mrs T's tenures as Education Secretary and PM than at the start.
The numbers were virtually unchanged, whereas in the late 1960s and 1970s the vast majority of grammars were closed, a process started under Crosland. Today there are now more grammar schools than there were in 1979, that would not be the case if Thatcher had allowed them to be shut at the rate they were being in the 1970s.
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
Thanks.
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
She had her confidence shattered, she had to sell Mrs May's grammar schools policies when she didn't believe in it, then had to re-reverse ferret when Mrs May dumped the policy.
I'd be happy to sell that policy as SoS for Education. From the Lords would be fine...
As I told you at the time, it is a net vote loser for the Tories.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
Thatcher actually stopped the decline in grammar schools as PM, had the rate of decline of grammar schools in the 1970s continued in the 1980s there would have been none left in 1990.
Instead there are now more grammar schools in the UK now than there were in 1979.
There were fewer grammar schools at the end of Mrs T's tenures as Education Secretary and PM than at the start.
The numbers were virtually unchanged, whereas in the late 1960s and 1970s the vast majority of grammars were closed, a process started under Crosland. Today there are now more grammar schools than there were in 1979, that would not be the case if Thatcher had allowed them to be shut at the rate they were being in the 1970s.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Let's not have that argument again. We don't change minds.
But I think you said it would be an actual vote loser.
Given Mrs May got way more votes than DC, without the policy we might be in opposition.
The only Tory to win a majority in the last 25 years won on a majority on no more grammar schools.
Grammar schools is popular with Tories, but it is even more unpopular with other voters.
Major was a big fan of grammar schools and got a bigger majority in 1992 than Cameron did in 2015. Even Cameron also promised not to close existing grammars.
Damian Green had to go. It turns out he did lie on the question of knowing that porn was found on his computer. That is the entire point.
The next thing that should happen is that the ex-police officers who revealed confidential information obtained in the course of their duties should be prosecuted.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
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With thanks to whoever coined the phrase 'pillock with principles' about Zac Goldsmith.
Meanwhile we have rape and coverup allegations about Labour plus suicides.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-42427812?__twitter_impression=true
Michael Gove has hit back at claims the price of cheddar cheese will go up by 40% if Britain leaves the EU without a trade deal.
The environment secretary said that would not happen if consumers started buying more British cheddar.
"I am deeply concerned about your unpatriotic attitude towards cheese," he joked to the Labour MP quizzing him.
He said his department was "very pro UK cheddar" - and Britain's dairy farmers would respond to what the market wants.
I am so shocked...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2926871/Jose-Mourinho-hailed-Bradford-s-big-balls-entered-Stamford-Bridge-dressing-room.html
But looks like Mrs May will conduct a wider reshuffle in January when she culls the likes of Justine Greening, Andrea Leadsom, and Patrick McLoughlin.
So I'd expect a lot of women promoted into the cabinet, so maybe Esther McVey, but she might be a little to abrasive for Health.
I did ask how many of them campaigned for Remain last year?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4814998/damian-green-sacked-theresa-may-porn-kate-maltby/
Indeed! Who is Alicia Collins? I'm sure Alicia Collinson would love to know!
Apparently that's why her first choice Amber Rudd turned it down, she wants to be both Home Sec and First Secretary of State.
The EU27 have plenty of money, they don't need ours.
By winning the referendum, the Eurosceptics have unleashed a tidal wave of support for our European destiny that will wash away their grisly project sooner or later.
Was it really only a decade ago that a Home Secretary could happily let her husband claim for porn videos on MP's expenses? Such happy innocent times they were...
*Yes, what fecking big vision stuff?
Was when I introduced PBers to the term barebacking.
Grayling also a possibility
I can't wait to see how, on the day we leave the Eu, you'll spin that as a win for the three remaining Euro federalists in Britain.
Modesty forbids me repeating my post of the other night when Peston said he'd heard Green was definitely OK and Kuenssberg said that was bullshit that Kuennsberg of the BBC was the one to follow....
Justine Greening seems almost invisible to me.
Which raises the question: if you are a policeman, with a duty of both confidentiality and upholding the law, and you hear someone in public office say something that you know to be false (thereby breaking the Ministerial Code), what action should you take? If the politician strongly attacks a colleague for telling the truth about the matter, does that affect the position? I'm not comfortable with the police leaks, but I'm not sure I'd remain silent in that situation either. Perhaps privately informing the Cabinet Office would be the right course?
Kuennsberg had the good sense to say nobody knew.
What the politicians do not like is ordinary working people doing the same. When a Minister does it, it is called a leak, when joe public does it then it is a criminal breach of data protection.
Lady Thatcher as Education Secretary and PM reduced the number of grammar schools.
She knew.
Guess what, the real world is nuanced.
Anybody thinking he'll dish the dirt on Theresa will be sorely disappointed... He'll be loyal - indeed you can see there's orchestrated his departure at a time and in a way that will do minimal damage to TM and the government....
Instead there are now more grammar schools in the UK now than there were in 1979.
https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/943616368930324482
There were so many times Mandelson was 'embarassed' that I can't remember which was which.
The next thing that should happen is that the ex-police officers who revealed confidential information obtained in the course of their duties should be prosecuted.
However the polling also found more people in favour of scrapping existing current grammar schools/or not creating any more grammar schools. This is probably based on the studies that show 'that poor children do dramatically worse in selective areas' as grammar schools might help a few, in totality they are worse for children.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/09/09/vox-populi-vox-dei-the-polling-that-explains-why-mrs-may-is-backing-grammar-schools/
I keep being told that there are only two types of people.
Pineapple on pizza divergers and pineapple on pizza aligners.
On another note, does anybody know the current whereabouts of Stephen Robert Lynn? - he was a director on the Thameside Construction Company, that went into liquidation in March 2014
Pineapple together with ham being different to pineapple together with spicy beef.
But I think you said it would be an actual vote loser.
Given Mrs May got way more votes than DC, without the policy we might be in opposition.
Grammar schools is popular with Tories, but it is even more unpopular with other voters.
If you add in the 17% who want to keep current grammars but not open any more, 55% of voters want to have some grammar schools in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/943432000270200832