But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
Watching the Trump tax cut pass the House of Representatives, I noticed the Roman fasces carved in the wall behind the speaker. I hadn't noticed it before.
Did you mean 'faces' or 'faeces'?
Serves me right for being smart. On the upside, I learnt a new word...
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
He wasn't sacked over the porn (which was Davies's threat) but over misleading statements
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
And I didn't say he wasn't. I said he probably has enough space to claim things are different from the scenario he threatened over, even if it is clearly bullshit.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
And I didn't say he wasn't. I said he probably has enough space to claim things are different from the scenario he threatened over, even if it is clearly bullshit.
Apologies if my reply seemed harsh towards you. It was not my intention.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Who in their right minds would trust the police these days. I know OGH keeps coming up with tables showing they are trusted but to me the only reason for that is that most people still see them as they were portrayed 50 years ago.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
Sounds like a squeaker either way - recipe for firm, stable resolution of concerns in Catalonia then.
What on earth happens next if the parties who tried to unilaterally declare once already then get a majority in the follow up election? It's no decisive shift in their favour, but clearly nothing has been solved yet either. Poor Spain, a rough time ahead.
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Yes, the emulsified high fat offal tube is now called The British Sausage.
Which of the things politico felt were real wins do you not think are wins?
Those red lines faded fast. The EU got their cash, the ECJ and Irish veto over our customs. Looks like 3 nil to me.
So the agreement the EU itself agreed which had concessions to us in it is bollocks? They don't sound very trustworthy in that case, sounds like you are arguing for a no deal Brexit.
Is Davis on record saying he would resign ? Would really like to know.
Lots of journos were told off the record by allies of David Davis that he would resign in protest.
One journalist told me at the time.
Resign in protest at a resignation or at a sacking though? Clearly this was in effect a sacking, but politicians and hacks live and breath such fine distinctions when switching tack.
The view was if it was anything related to the rozzers illegally leaking stuff or Green forced out against his will then David Davis would quit.
'The view was' is pretty weak stuff. I'm not saying the man didn't intimate he would resign in this type of situation, or that his ducking out of it is not backing down, but sounds like he has enough linguistic ambiguity to at least claim he did not mean he would resign in this scenario.
I’ve just asked the journo, and he agrees with Mike’s assessment on Davis being a bullshitter.
And I didn't say he wasn't. I said he probably has enough space to claim things are different from the scenario he threatened over, even if it is clearly bullshit.
Apologies if my reply seemed harsh towards you. It was not my intention.
Didn't cross my mind for a second! Apologies if my reply made it seem I was offended.
From the outset I have been clear that I did not download or view pornography on my Parliamentary computers. I accept that I should have been clear in my press statements that police lawyers talked to my lawyers in 2008 about the pornography on the computers, and that the police raised it with me in a subsequent phone call in 2013. I apologise that my statements were misleading on this point. The unfounded and deeply hurtful allegations that were being levelled at me were distressing both to me and my family and it is right that these are being investigated by the Metropolitan Police's professional standards department.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
You are commendably 'on message'. Unfortunately, not 'on fact'. In reality, the EU have made it explicit in the last few days that the UK will be legally committed to pay the Brexit bill as part of the withdrawal agreement but that the EU will not be legally bound to deliver an FTA - they will only make a non-binding 'political declaration'.
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
....there sometimes comes a point when a senior politician must resign not because he has necessarily acted wrongly, but because his continued presence in government becomes unsustainable. Fairly or unfairly, this had become Green’s direction of travel. If he had stayed in office following the Cabinet Secretary’s report, the newspaper trawl over his past would have redoubled and his media performances would have become very arduous. It is hard to believe that his effectiveness as a Minister would not have suffered – and as the chairman of a mass of Cabinet committees, such a development would have hit the Government hard. Perhaps Green would have been able to fight his way back to political full health; perhaps not.
That we can believe he could perhaps have survived his own admissions of fault is a tribute to his skills as a politician. He is an operator of the first rank – acute, witty, hard-working, loyal, gifted and with a clear set of left-of-Tory-centre beliefs (one of which, devotion to EU membership, is certainly not ours). This Government will miss him. None the less, May had little choice but to act as she has done, given the contents of the Cabinet Secretary’s report.
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
You are commendably 'on message'. Unfortunately, not 'on fact'. In reality, the EU have made it explicit in the last few days that the UK will be legally committed to pay the Brexit bill as part of the withdrawal agreement but that the EU will not be legally bound to deliver an FTA - they will only make a non-binding 'political declaration'.
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
It includes the tranisition payments (about £18bn for 18m) which will fall away if there is no agreement
And Britain has some liabilities which we will settle. £21bn is peanuts in the scheme of things
So will David Davis follow through now? Of course he won't, what's one more lie after so many?
Davis is not on record anywhere as saying he would resign if Green went and certainly not over a Green resignation due to misleading statements he made
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
You are commendably 'on message'. Unfortunately, not 'on fact'. In reality, the EU have made it explicit in the last few days that the UK will be legally committed to pay the Brexit bill as part of the withdrawal agreement but that the EU will not be legally bound to deliver an FTA - they will only make a non-binding 'political declaration'.
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
Compared to the £100 bn some were talking of earlier as the exit bill £39 bn is nothing, especially as Charles states it includes liabilities we have.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
You are commendably 'on message'. Unfortunately, not 'on fact'. In reality, the EU have made it explicit in the last few days that the UK will be legally committed to pay the Brexit bill as part of the withdrawal agreement but that the EU will not be legally bound to deliver an FTA - they will only make a non-binding 'political declaration'.
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
It includes the tranisition payments (about £18bn for 18m) which will fall away if there is no agreement
And Britain has some liabilities which we will settle. £21bn is peanuts in the scheme of things
No, that is wrong. There are two outcomes:
1. If there is no agreement on the withdrawal agreement, there will be no transition and no payment, but we will leave to WTO in March 2019. 2. If there is a withdrawal agreement, there will be a transition but no guarantee WHATSOEVER that there will be an FTA at the end of it and the UK will be legally committed to make the whole Brexit Bill payment regardless of the outcome. We could quite easily (and given the timetable, probably) exit to WTO rules at the end of the transition period, having paid 40bn for nothing more than a delay.
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
Who in their right minds would trust the police these days. I know OGH keeps coming up with tables showing they are trusted but to me the only reason for that is that most people still see them as they were portrayed 50 years ago.
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
You are commendably 'on message'. Unfortunately, not 'on fact'. In reality, the EU have made it explicit in the last few days that the UK will be legally committed to pay the Brexit bill as part of the withdrawal agreement but that the EU will not be legally bound to deliver an FTA - they will only make a non-binding 'political declaration'.
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
Compared to the £100 bn some were talking of earlier as the exit bill £39 bn is nothing, especially as Charles states it includes liabilities we have.
Are you prepared to accept that the Brexit Bill will have to be paid whether or not there is an FTA, assuming that a withdrawal agreement is signed. Yes or No?
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Yes, the emulsified high fat offal tube is now called The British Sausage.
Which of the things politico felt were real wins do you not think are wins?
Those red lines faded fast. The EU got their cash, the ECJ and Irish veto over our customs. Looks like 3 nil to me.
As did the EU starting point
EU - £100 billion - UK agreed down to £35 - £39 billion - ECJ gone in 8 years - Irish all things to all people
I put that - UK 2.5 - EU 0.5
I don't know that 100 billion was ever serious - it certainly did not seem to be their starting point - but I struggle to take seriously the idea we got nothing, or that what we got will be ignored (and yet the EU are still the good guys).
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
Fine to call them swine, unless they are Muslim, Jewish or SDA. Then it would be a bit dodgy.
Green made a point of saying that he'd never been informed of the porn allegation. He's admitted that was a lie. It's absolutely right that he be fired for that lie.
Davis never said he'd resign if Green was sacked for lying.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
I see the BBC headline writers have decided that 'asked to resign' is just too obviously a sacking to pretend that this 'resignation' is indeed a resignation and are calling it a sacking. Although the writers of the copy seem confused, stating both that he was 'asked to quit' in quotations, but don't similarly use quotations around his 'resignation' letter
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
Fine to call them swine, unless they are Muslim, Jewish or SDA. Then it would be a bit dodgy.
Well do let us know if the list of worst Brexiters includes any such, so we can be offended on their behalf.
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
Fine to call them swine, unless they are Muslim, Jewish or SDA. Then it would be a bit dodgy.
Well do let us know if the list of worst Brexiters includes any such, so we can be offended on their behalf.
I suspect that they are OK with it. After all they hate such political correctness.
So will David Davis follow through now? Of course he won't, what's one more lie after so many?
Davis is not on record anywhere as saying he would resign if Green went and certainly not over a Green resignation due to misleading statements he made
I realize that as a Brexiteer that you have to be a fantasists but even so this is risible.
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
Fine to call them swine, unless they are Muslim, Jewish or SDA. Then it would be a bit dodgy.
Well do let us know if the list of worst Brexiters includes any such, so we can be offended on their behalf.
I suspect that they are OK with it. After all they hate such political correctness.
That's why it is necessary to be offended for them.
So will David Davis follow through now? Of course he won't, what's one more lie after so many?
Davis is not on record anywhere as saying he would resign if Green went and certainly not over a Green resignation due to misleading statements he made
I realize that as a Brexiteer that you have to be a fantasists but even so this is risible.
It is true though, there is no record of Davis saying he would resign even if Green was sacked and certainly not if Green resigned over misleading statements he made.
I see Green has resigned to spend more time on porn sites........
Now then what about Davis! He should surely resign as well as he has a record of resigning on points of principle. Indeed he triggered a by election some years ago on a point of principle. For all we know given how poorly he is negotiating he may want to quit anyway?
Well we are now successfully through phase 1
3 nil to the EU in the first half.
The good thing about DD doing the negotiating is that the Brexiteers will have to own the deal.
No we are still heading for a FTA that ends free movement which is the only way to get a trade deal and respect the Leave vote.
You are commendably 'on message'. Unfortunately, not 'on fact'. In reality, the EU have made it explicit in the last few days that the UK will be legally committed to pay the Brexit bill as part of the withdrawal agreement but that the EU will not be legally bound to deliver an FTA - they will only make a non-binding 'political declaration'.
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
Compared to the £100 bn some were talking of earlier as the exit bill £39 bn is nothing, especially as Charles states it includes liabilities we have.
Are you prepared to accept that the Brexit Bill will have to be paid whether or not there is an FTA, assuming that a withdrawal agreement is signed. Yes or No?
The liabilities we owe will have to be paid of course
Ultimately no one to blame but Green himself for these statements. Absurd to think Davis would or should resign in "sympathy" in such circumstances. Given how quickly Fallon fell on his sword Green has let the PM down badly tying to tough it out knowing he had misled her and everyone else.
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
Ultimately no one to blame but Green himself for these statements. Absurd to think Davis would or should resign in "sympathy" in such circumstances. Given how quickly Fallon fell on his sword Green has let the PM down badly tying to tough it out knowing he had misled her and everyone else.
Spot on - and it is a warning to all MP's how low the bar now is
But how would the country manage without it’s part-time Brexit secretary?
The country may well manage a lot better in negotiations as we are currently being buggered over a beer barrel in the current context. It really shows how ridiculous things have become that the PM is judged by some to be in a strengthened position when she and her team have capitulated to the EU and got NOTHING in return.
Have you compared the EU's starting position to where we ended up?
Foxinsox says 3-0 to them, though the annotated deal on politico as I recall called it more for them but that we got some things, at least three big wins according to them. But that does not sound gloomy enough for some.
The Polish government has accused the European commission of a politically motivated attack after it triggered a process that could see the country stripped of voting rights in Brussels, over legal changes that the bloc claims threaten the independence of the country’s judiciary.
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One journalist told me at the time.
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2017/12/greens-letter-to-the-prime-minister-i-regret-that-ive-been-asked-to-resign.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-deal-document-annotated/
There are people saying TMay is being strong over this. Disagree. She is showing she is weak and folding at the first sign of trouble. Disappointing.
Whatever Green did/did-not do wrong, the police behaviour was despicable (and if you don't think that, imagine them pulling that stunt with you). She should have held out.
Boris seems the type to gift people copies of his own books.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/943594208119738369
What on earth happens next if the parties who tried to unilaterally declare once already then get a majority in the follow up election? It's no decisive shift in their favour, but clearly nothing has been solved yet either. Poor Spain, a rough time ahead.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/20/damian-greens-resignation-letter-full/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
You need to address this fact, rather than keep repeating the same old line. May has agreed to pay 40bn in return for nothing more than a vague non-binding statement that there will be an FTA. Once the withdrawal agreement is signed, we will be legally obliged to pay even if the EU refuses to enter into any FTA.
Wonderful.
A nation mourns.
....there sometimes comes a point when a senior politician must resign not because he has necessarily acted wrongly, but because his continued presence in government becomes unsustainable. Fairly or unfairly, this had become Green’s direction of travel. If he had stayed in office following the Cabinet Secretary’s report, the newspaper trawl over his past would have redoubled and his media performances would have become very arduous. It is hard to believe that his effectiveness as a Minister would not have suffered – and as the chairman of a mass of Cabinet committees, such a development would have hit the Government hard. Perhaps Green would have been able to fight his way back to political full health; perhaps not.
That we can believe he could perhaps have survived his own admissions of fault is a tribute to his skills as a politician. He is an operator of the first rank – acute, witty, hard-working, loyal, gifted and with a clear set of left-of-Tory-centre beliefs (one of which, devotion to EU membership, is certainly not ours). This Government will miss him. None the less, May had little choice but to act as she has done, given the contents of the Cabinet Secretary’s report.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/12/mays-enemies-will-seize-on-greens-sacking-to-question-her-judgement.html
And Britain has some liabilities which we will settle. £21bn is peanuts in the scheme of things
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/943599195507888135
Also, is it ok to call political opponents swine? I objected to saboteurs and enemies of the people, but porcine insults I don't know if that crosses the line.
I put that - UK 2.5 - EU 0.5
1. If there is no agreement on the withdrawal agreement, there will be no transition and no payment, but we will leave to WTO in March 2019.
2. If there is a withdrawal agreement, there will be a transition but no guarantee WHATSOEVER that there will be an FTA at the end of it and the UK will be legally committed to make the whole Brexit Bill payment regardless of the outcome. We could quite easily (and given the timetable, probably) exit to WTO rules at the end of the transition period, having paid 40bn for nothing more than a delay.
Time to face facts. May sold out.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-01-22/survey-reveals-most-and-least-trusted-professions/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/943601753836093440
Great spinning as ever Big_G! Top class!
Davis never said he'd resign if Green was sacked for lying.
Just think how happy you would be if we were giving the EU £100bn.
https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/943606681640095745
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/20/eu-process-poland-voting-rights?__twitter_impression=true
The Polish government has accused the European commission of a politically motivated attack after it triggered a process that could see the country stripped of voting rights in Brussels, over legal changes that the bloc claims threaten the independence of the country’s judiciary.