so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
Agreed. I have just got back from Berlin where I talked to some young Brits living there. It felt a lot like there very much is a common European Demos to me judging by their attitudes. I think some folk on here are seriously out of touch.
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
Agreed. I have just got back from Berlin where I talked to some young Brits living there. It felt a lot like there very much is a common European Demos to me judging by their attitudes. I think some folk on here are seriously out of touch.
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean we're not out to get you...
Well, quite, Scott.
I'm not saying you have to like it, or support it, but one of the reasons constructive dialogue has largely broken down between Remainers and Leavers (and I accept Leavers have a part to play in this as well with their own behaviour) is because so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
I am a statistician who works for an insurance company. My capacity to influence events is zero. I take your point, but whether I give considered advice or the most vicious abuse the outcome will be the same.
There is a rather weird phenomenon on PB, although I assume it is reflected elsewhere: the conceit that Brexit is tribal, that Remainers must insult it or Leavers defend it, and that this is all just a game. Excepting the wealthy, the dual-nationals and the non-British nationals who post here - and neither of us is in those categories - we are all in the same rather shitty boat and if Brexit goes down, we go down with it. I am increasingly worried that because PB has an odd socioeconomic makeup, and the May administration increasingly incompetent, we are incapable of recognising danger and incapable of coping with it should it occur.
There's a quote (which I think is Wittgenstein) about how the world's end is accompanied by laughter from all the witty heads, who think it such a clever joke. I'm really not enjoying this.
I'm in that boat too. If only you or @CasinoRoyale were in command....
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
Excepting the wealthy, the dual-nationals and the non-British nationals who post here - and neither of us is in those categories - we are all in the same rather shitty boat and if Brexit goes down, we go down with it.
Well, quite.
What irks me about the Brexiteers is they seem to be demanding I cheer as we sink.
Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
I think the Israel thing is a complete red herring.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
If she had been to Columbia rather than Israel to discuss the Columbian army helping refugees from a Latin American civil war I guarantee the left would have barely raised an eyebrow!
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
I think the Israel thing is a complete red herring.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
If she had been to Columbia rather than Israel to discuss the Columbian army helping refugees from a Latin American civil war I guarantee the left would have barely raised an eyebrow!
I am not from the left.
She ran a parallel foreign policy and she lied about it.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
Priti isn't from Leicester...
No, but she is from an EA Asian rather than Subcontinental background. She has never been srctarian.
Until now
Can you find me some evidence of Priti being a Hindu sectarian?
All I can find is that she married an Englishman and has a son with the not very Hindu name of Freddie.
Excepting the wealthy, the dual-nationals and the non-British nationals who post here - and neither of us is in those categories - we are all in the same rather shitty boat and if Brexit goes down, we go down with it.
Well, quite.
What irks me about the Brexiteers is they seem to be demanding I cheer as we sink.
Not if we navigate the EU-Boat menace successfully...
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
I support Israel. I don't support Priti Patel remaining in the Cabinet.
There's no shortage of (Brexit supporting) talent outside the cabinet. JRM or Rory Stewart or Kwasi Kwarteng would all be distinct upgrades.
Oh, I agree she deserves to go, but not for being pro-Israel.
The irony is she has f***ed with our relations with Israel. She has discussed policy without the support of HMG. Will they be willing to believe the next Minister to meet them?
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
Priti isn't from Leicester...
No, but she is from an EA Asian rather than Subcontinental background. She has never been srctarian.
Until now
Can you find me some evidence of Priti being a Hindu sectarian?
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
I support Israel. I don't support Priti Patel remaining in the Cabinet.
There's no shortage of (Brexit supporting) talent outside the cabinet. JRM or Rory Stewart or Kwasi Kwarteng would all be distinct upgrades.
Oh, I agree she deserves to go, but not for being pro-Israel.
As I said before, Israel is a total red herring here. The point is not which country she was meeting with, it is that she saw fit to run a parallel foreign policy and then lie about it. (And then continue lying. And to invite donors to meetings. Oh yes, and there were some more meetings she forgot to mention...)
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
I support Israel. I don't support Priti Patel remaining in the Cabinet.
There's no shortage of (Brexit supporting) talent outside the cabinet. JRM or Rory Stewart or Kwasi Kwarteng would all be distinct upgrades.
Oh, I agree she deserves to go, but not for being pro-Israel.
As I said before, Israel is a total red herring here. The point is not which country she was meeting with, it is that she saw fit to run a parallel foreign policy and then lie about it. (And then continue lying. And to invite donors to meetings. Oh yes, and there were some more meetings she forgot to mention...)
Excepting the wealthy, the dual-nationals and the non-British nationals who post here - and neither of us is in those categories - we are all in the same rather shitty boat and if Brexit goes down, we go down with it.
Well, quite.
What irks me about the Brexiteers is they seem to be demanding I cheer as we sink.
Despite the best efforts of various politicians it strikes me so far that we have kept afloat quite nicely.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
Priti isn't from Leicester...
No, but she is from an EA Asian rather than Subcontinental background. She has never been srctarian.
Until now
Can you find me some evidence of Priti being a Hindu sectarian?
Um. Her contacts with Israel?
Well that is a very tautological argument!
She supports Israel because she is sectarian and is sectarian because she supports Israel.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cried of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak was a good and great man.
"Nation" does not equal Netanyahu
But he's the man controlling Israeli policy and put there by the Israeli electorate.
Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
I think the Israel thing is a complete red herring.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
If she had been to Columbia rather than Israel to discuss the Columbian army helping refugees from a Latin American civil war I guarantee the left would have barely raised an eyebrow!
I am not from the left.
She ran a parallel foreign policy and she lied about it.
That's a fireable offence.
I am from the left, but I actually have some (limited) sympathy for her.
DFID & the FCO step on each others toes all the time.
I hate what she's doing at DFID - she's a terrible fit - but she is being (perhaps?) unfairly lynched for arguably doing her job, imo.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
Priti isn't from Leicester...
No, but she is from an EA Asian rather than Subcontinental background. She has never been srctarian.
Until now
Can you find me some evidence of Priti being a Hindu sectarian?
Um. Her contacts with Israel?
Well that is a very tautological argument!
She supports Israel because she is sectarian and is sectarian because she supports Israel.
You do know she's cut aid to the Palestinians?
"Patel heads a department which has a long history of humanitarian and development funding for Palestinians. Indeed she has taken a close interest in that funding, going so far as to announce a review last year which has already resulted in some notable cuts of some £17m [$22,000,000 USD]. This includes, to the widespread dismay of NGOs, cuts in funding to Gaza, where humanitarian and economic conditions are generally agreed to be at their direst ever. Things are so bad that last week the Israeli military’s general in charge of civil affairs in the occupied territories, Yoav Mordechai, no less, called for a new “Marshall Plan” of aid for Gaza, without which he suggested another war could well ensue". - Donald MacIntyre of The Independent
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Surely the stupidest comment ever made on PB. No wonder you were selected to stand as a Tory councillor. With that level of ignorance you should have gone for leader.
It does look though Priti has over-stepped the mark a bit but she's a successful, high-achieving go-getter... Unlike the loser we have in Downing St. now.
At least Priti has a bit of "vim" about her... She doesn't give off an air of being like the living dead,,, Unlike Theresa May.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
I support Israel. I don't support Priti Patel remaining in the Cabinet.
There's no shortage of (Brexit supporting) talent outside the cabinet. JRM or Rory Stewart or Kwasi Kwarteng would all be distinct upgrades.
Oh, I agree she deserves to go, but not for being pro-Israel.
As I said before, Israel is a total red herring here. The point is not which country she was meeting with, it is that she saw fit to run a parallel foreign policy and then lie about it. (And then continue lying. And to invite donors to meetings. Oh yes, and there were some more meetings she forgot to mention...)
Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
I think the Israel thing is a complete red herring.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
If she had been to Columbia rather than Israel to discuss the Columbian army helping refugees from a Latin American civil war I guarantee the left would have barely raised an eyebrow!
I am not from the left.
She ran a parallel foreign policy and she lied about it.
That's a fireable offence.
I am from the left, but I actually have some (limited) sympathy for her.
DFID & the FCO step on each others toes all the time.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Surely the stupidest comment ever made on PB. No wonder you were selected to stand as a Tory councillor. With that level of ignorance you should have gone for leader.
No what is stupid is the complete blind ideological hatred of you and your fellow leftwingers for a nation barely the size of Wales threatened by terrorists who want to wipe it off the map
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
So he should have just Hamas to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel then? Of course not.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Plenty of us support our nation but not our PM. Why shouldn't Israelis feel the same?
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Plenty of us support our nation but not our PM. Why shouldn't Israelis feel the same?
Too close to call on CNN at poll closing so no surprise there.
New Jersey closes at 1am our time, should be a safe win for the Dems, probably double digits.
Elsewhere, VVD-CDA-D66-CU govt now taken office in the Netherlands, ÖVP-FPÖ looks nailed on in Austria, Czech Republic seems likely to have a minority ANO government under Babis, and the Jamaica talks in Germany (CDU-CSU/FDP/Greens) will be difficult and protracted, an FDP source said success likelihood only 50/50.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
I think the Israel thing is a complete red herring.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
If she had been to Columbia rather than Israel to discuss the Columbian army helping refugees from a Latin American civil war I guarantee the left would have barely raised an eyebrow!
I am not from the left.
She ran a parallel foreign policy and she lied about it.
Sanders has refused to endorse Northam and Gillespie is a former Bush aide, despite his late Bannon type rhetoric.
It is really an establishment candidate v an establishment candidate, which is going to become rarer as populism drives primaries in both parties next year.
Too close to call on CNN at poll closing so no surprise there.
New Jersey closes at 1am our time, should be a safe win for the Dems, probably double digits.
Elsewhere, VVD-CDA-D66-CU govt now taken office in the Netherlands, ÖVP-FPÖ looks nailed on in Austria, Czech Republic seems likely to have a minority ANO government under Babis, and the Jamaica talks in Germany (CDU-CSU/FDP/Greens) will be difficult and protracted, an FDP source said success likelihood only 50/50.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
So he should have just Hamas to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel then? Of course not.
Well years of waging war on the Palestinians has not stopped them. Now perhaps if he could read up Rabin's memoirs he might get somewhere. The Israelis will never be safe in their homeland if their government continues to rob and plunder land which is not theirs and held only in occupation.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
Nothing wrong with supporting the only real democracy in the Middle East.
That doesn't mean supporting the government or settlers.
How can it be the only real democracy in the Middle East when two thirds of the land it occupies is illegal and disenfranchised?
Sure, it is an imperfect democracy, but Israeli Arabs have the right to vote and are represented in the Kenneset.
Not only is Israel the safest place to be a Jew in the Middle East, it is also the safest place to be Christian, Bahai, Druze and even Muslim. It is also the safest place to be gay or female or to be a Communist, artist, journalist or advocate of free expression.
Israel is a paradox, and has some seriously bad things going on, and certainly oppresses the Palestinians legitimate aspirations, but it is not a completely bad place.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
No it doesn't. It requires the Palestinian state to be contiguous and viable which is something the Israelis wont permit because Judea and Samaria were given to them by God 5000 years ago. Haven't you read the Torah?
Too close to call on CNN at poll closing so no surprise there.
New Jersey closes at 1am our time, should be a safe win for the Dems, probably double digits.
Elsewhere, VVD-CDA-D66-CU govt now taken office in the Netherlands, ÖVP-FPÖ looks nailed on in Austria, Czech Republic seems likely to have a minority ANO government under Babis, and the Jamaica talks in Germany (CDU-CSU/FDP/Greens) will be difficult and protracted, an FDP source said success likelihood only 50/50.
I have to say, even having watched some fairly exotic election coverage this autumn (eg the Japan results in Japanese!) CNN is I think probably as good as any coverage anywhere - ABC in Australia is also really good. Having had all three channels for our election night in June, I thought Sky was probably the best, certainly for the results themselves.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
No it doesn't. It requires the state to be contiguous and viable which is something the Israelis wont permit because Judea and Samaria were given to them by God 5000 years ago.
They do slightly forget that God took it off them twice too! once in the Babylonian exile and later in the Roman Jewish war.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Indeed they did. However, as with any democratic leader there is room for an opposition who disagree. ILP are not seeking Israel's destruction. You fight your corner with admirable tenacity, and unfailing civility, as always. However. wrt Ms. Patel, it nay be that you are fighting a losing battle. Smithson Jr., not one of nature's Crbynistas can see the problem. Time for a tactical withdrawal to fight another day?
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
Nothing wrong with supporting the only real democracy in the Middle East.
That doesn't mean supporting the government or settlers.
How can it be the only real democracy in the Middle East when two thirds of the land it occupies is illegal and disenfranchised?
Sure, it is an imperfect democracy, but Israeli Arabs have the right to vote and are represented in the Kenneset.
Not only is Israel the safest place to be a Jew in the Middle East, it is also the safest place to be Christian, Bahai, Druze and even Muslim. It is also the safest place to be gay or female or to be a Communist, artist, journalist or advocate of free expression.
Israel is a paradox, and has some seriously bad things going on, and certainly oppresses the Palestinians legitimate aspirations, but it is not a completely bad place.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
No it doesn't. It requires the Palestinian state to be contiguous and viable which is something the Israelis wont permit because Judea and Samaria were given to them by God 5000 years ago. Haven't you read the Torah?
No. of Jewish states = 1 No. of Arab League states = 22
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Indeed they did. However, as with any democratic leader there is room for an opposition who disagree. ILP are not seeking Israel's destruction. You fight your corner with admirable tenacity, and unfailing civility, as always. However. wrt Ms. Patel, it nay be that you are fighting a losing battle. Smithson Jr., not one of nature's Crbynistas can see the problem. Time for a tactical withdrawal to fight another day?
There can never be a tactical withdrawal to abandon Israel to its fate, as there would be no other day to fight as a result.
Sanders has refused to endorse Northam and Gillespie is a former Bush aide, despite his late Bannon type rhetoric.
It is really an establishment candidate v an establishment candidate, which is going to become rarer as populism drives primaries in both parties next year.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
So he should have just Hamas to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel then? Of course not.
Well years of waging war on the Palestinians has not stopped them. Now perhaps if he could read up Rabin's memoirs he might get somewhere. The Israelis will never be safe in their homeland if their government continues to rob and plunder land which is not theirs and held only in occupation.
In Bibilical terms much of that land historically is Israel's
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
No it doesn't. It requires the Palestinian state to be contiguous and viable which is something the Israelis wont permit because Judea and Samaria were given to them by God 5000 years ago. Haven't you read the Torah?
It requires Hamas to cease its aim of wiping Israel off the map.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
Nothing wrong with supporting the only real democracy in the Middle East.
That doesn't mean supporting the government or settlers.
How can it be the only real democracy in the Middle East when two thirds of the land it occupies is illegal and disenfranchised?
Sure, it is an imperfect democracy, but Israeli Arabs have the right to vote and are represented in the Kenneset.
Not only is Israel the safest place to be a Jew in the Middle East, it is also the safest place to be Christian, Bahai, Druze and even Muslim. It is also the safest place to be gay or female or to be a Communist, artist, journalist or advocate of free expression.
Israel is a paradox, and has some seriously bad things going on, and certainly oppresses the Palestinians legitimate aspirations, but it is not a completely bad place.
Arabic is also an official language, alongside Hebrew.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
So he should have just Hamas to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel then? Of course not.
Well years of waging war on the Palestinians has not stopped them. Now perhaps if he could read up Rabin's memoirs he might get somewhere. The Israelis will never be safe in their homeland if their government continues to rob and plunder land which is not theirs and held only in occupation.
In Bibilical terms much of that land historically is Israel's
A novel & exciting way to decide the borders of the modern nation state.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
So he should have just Hamas to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel then? Of course not.
Well years of waging war on the Palestinians has not stopped them. Now perhaps if he could read up Rabin's memoirs he might get somewhere. The Israelis will never be safe in their homeland if their government continues to rob and plunder land which is not theirs and held only in occupation.
In Bibilical terms much of that land historically is Israel's
A novel & exciting way to decide the borders of the modern nation state.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
No it doesn't. It requires the Palestinian state to be contiguous and viable which is something the Israelis wont permit because Judea and Samaria were given to them by God 5000 years ago. Haven't you read the Torah?
No. of Jewish states = 1 No. of Arab League states = 22
Would you agree that because there are other European countries that there is no need of a British state?
During her work at Weber Shandwick, she lobbied on behalf of British American Tobacco (BAT) for several years, with a memo from that company showing that she was employed to "provide strategic advice on the account with a particular focus on the Conservative Party", billing the company for over £20,000 per month. BAT documents released in 2015 after a legal action indicate that she worked closely on a project to limit the damage to the company's reputation that its Burmese investments had caused; BAT paid its Burmese factory workers £15 a month, and Patel was paid £165 an hour to counter the negative publicity that the company's wage agreements generated. One BAT senior executive complained that Weber Shandwick felt uncomfortable about doing such work for a tobacco firm, but noted that "Priti [and another employee] seem quite relaxed working with us".
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
He's got a damned peculiar way of going about it then.
So he should have just Hamas to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel then? Of course not.
Well years of waging war on the Palestinians has not stopped them. Now perhaps if he could read up Rabin's memoirs he might get somewhere. The Israelis will never be safe in their homeland if their government continues to rob and plunder land which is not theirs and held only in occupation.
In Bibilical terms much of that land historically is Israel's
In Biblical terms much of it is Roman too. The Bible, hmm. An interesting way of solving border disputes.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Indeed they did. However, as with any democratic leader there is room for an opposition who disagree. ILP are not seeking Israel's destruction. You fight your corner with admirable tenacity, and unfailing civility, as always. However. wrt Ms. Patel, it nay be that you are fighting a losing battle. Smithson Jr., not one of nature's Crbynistas can see the problem. Time for a tactical withdrawal to fight another day?
There can never be a tactical withdrawal to abandon Israel to its fate, as there would be no other day to fight as a result.
I meant you to tactically withdraw my friend Your defence of Ms Patel, I am not suggesting Israel do any such thing right now,
Too close to call on CNN at poll closing so no surprise there.
New Jersey closes at 1am our time, should be a safe win for the Dems, probably double digits.
Elsewhere, VVD-CDA-D66-CU govt now taken office in the Netherlands, ÖVP-FPÖ looks nailed on in Austria, Czech Republic seems likely to have a minority ANO government under Babis, and the Jamaica talks in Germany (CDU-CSU/FDP/Greens) will be difficult and protracted, an FDP source said success likelihood only 50/50.
Anyway thanks and best wishes to all!
DC
Interestingly, Dems performing better in the Governorship election in VA than in the AG or LG elections.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
FFS don't conflate issues! Read up on the treatment of the Palestian people.
When Israel murders 6 million Palestinians get back to me!
Isn't the problem that the Palestinians in the occupied territories have paid the price for Germany's Nazis. If I were a Palestinian in the West Bank, I'd feel pretty pissed.
Israel has been the Jewish historic homeland for thousands of years, just read the Old Testament.
It has been the Palestinian homeland just as long. Both claim Abrahamic descent.
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
The way forward is ultimately a two state solution but that has to include full Palestinian recognition of Israel to be viable.
No it doesn't. It requires the Palestinian state to be contiguous and viable which is something the Israelis wont permit because Judea and Samaria were given to them by God 5000 years ago. Haven't you read the Torah?
No. of Jewish states = 1 No. of Arab League states = 22
Would you agree that because there are other European countries that there is no need of a British state?
Israel's de jure land area = 20,000 sq. km. (about the size of Wales) Arab League total land area = 16 million sq. km. (about the size of Russia)
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
Netanyahu is trying to prevent Israel being obliterated by Hezbollah and Hamas, neither of whom recognise its right to exist.
As is the Israeli Labor Party and a host of smaller parties not in Government. There are plenty of Israelis who don't have much time for Bibi.
Bibi is the man the Israelis themselves elected as their PM
Indeed they did. However, as with any democratic leader there is room for an opposition who disagree. ILP are not seeking Israel's destruction. You fight your corner with admirable tenacity, and unfailing civility, as always. However. wrt Ms. Patel, it nay be that you are fighting a losing battle. Smithson Jr., not one of nature's Crbynistas can see the problem. Time for a tactical withdrawal to fight another day?
There can never be a tactical withdrawal to abandon Israel to its fate, as there would be no other day to fight as a result.
He's talking about Ms Patel's role in the cabinet! (Which is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL.)
With a lot more results having come in from a lot more counties, I think there’s less need for caution then there was 10 or 15 minutes ago. This is looking pretty good for Northam."
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There's no shortage of (Brexit supporting) talent outside the cabinet. JRM or Rory Stewart or Kwasi Kwarteng would all be distinct upgrades.
What irks me about the Brexiteers is they seem to be demanding I cheer as we sink.
She ran a parallel foreign policy and she lied about it.
That's a fireable offence.
All I can find is that she married an Englishman and has a son with the not very Hindu name of Freddie.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3477687/Meet-Minister-born-immigrant-newsagent-says-Britain-regain-control-borders.html
She supports Israel because she is sectarian and is sectarian because she supports Israel.
DFID & the FCO step on each others toes all the time.
I hate what she's doing at DFID - she's a terrible fit - but she is being (perhaps?) unfairly lynched for arguably doing her job, imo.
"Patel heads a department which has a long history of humanitarian and development funding for Palestinians. Indeed she has taken a close interest in that funding, going so far as to announce a review last year which has already resulted in some notable cuts of some £17m [$22,000,000 USD]. This includes, to the widespread dismay of NGOs, cuts in funding to Gaza, where humanitarian and economic conditions are generally agreed to be at their direst ever. Things are so bad that last week the Israeli military’s general in charge of civil affairs in the occupied territories, Yoav Mordechai, no less, called for a new “Marshall Plan” of aid for Gaza, without which he suggested another war could well ensue". - Donald MacIntyre of The Independent
http://www.freeintertv.com/view/id-200
Polls close in 3 mins in Virginia.
At least Priti has a bit of "vim" about her... She doesn't give off an air of being like the living dead,,, Unlike Theresa May.
It wasn't. She pretended it was a holiday!
Only available until 2100 on Thursday:
Russia 1917: Countdown to Revolution: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b098pgf1 via @bbciplayer
Eisenstein's "October: Ten Days that Shook the World" , and "Gulag" are both up there a bit longer and both well worth watching.
Is TM still strong and stable?
http://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2017 November General/Site/Statewide.html
Too close to call on CNN at poll closing so no surprise there.
New Jersey closes at 1am our time, should be a safe win for the Dems, probably double digits.
Elsewhere, VVD-CDA-D66-CU govt now taken office in the Netherlands, ÖVP-FPÖ looks nailed on in Austria, Czech Republic seems likely to have a minority ANO government under Babis, and the Jamaica talks in Germany (CDU-CSU/FDP/Greens) will be difficult and protracted, an FDP source said success likelihood only 50/50.
Anyway thanks and best wishes to all!
DC
My ancestors came from Saxony about the same time.
It is really an establishment candidate v an establishment candidate, which is going to become rarer as populism drives primaries in both parties next year.
(The Julian/Gregorian problem is actually mentioned in the book)
Not only is Israel the safest place to be a Jew in the Middle East, it is also the safest place to be Christian, Bahai, Druze and even Muslim. It is also the safest place to be gay or female or to be a Communist, artist, journalist or advocate of free expression.
Israel is a paradox, and has some seriously bad things going on, and certainly oppresses the Palestinians legitimate aspirations, but it is not a completely bad place.
I have to say, even having watched some fairly exotic election coverage this autumn (eg the Japan results in Japanese!) CNN is I think probably as good as any coverage anywhere - ABC in Australia is also really good. Having had all three channels for our election night in June, I thought Sky was probably the best, certainly for the results themselves.
You fight your corner with admirable tenacity, and unfailing civility, as always.
However. wrt Ms. Patel, it nay be that you are fighting a losing battle.
Smithson Jr., not one of nature's Crbynistas can see the problem.
Time for a tactical withdrawal to fight another day?
No. of Arab League states = 22
And, Northam leads 50/49 which seems good for the Dems on what are surely rural and more likely to be GOP-leaning precincts?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/30/priti-patel-worked-as-spin-doctor-tobacco-firm-burma-scandal
I am not suggesting Israel do any such thing right now,
Gillespie 50.7%
Northam 48.2%
http://edition.cnn.com/election/2017/results/virginia-governor
Arab League total land area = 16 million sq. km. (about the size of Russia)
20% in now, and Northam is about 1.5% ahead.
The question is: is it the rural or the urban areas that are reporting first? If the former, great for Northam. If the latter, great for Gillespie.
Looking down the list of who's reported (http://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2017 November General/Site/Locality/Index.html), it would seem the "City's" have mostly yet to report.
I'd be piling on Northam.
With a lot more results having come in from a lot more counties, I think there’s less need for caution then there was 10 or 15 minutes ago. This is looking pretty good for Northam."
Northam 50%
Gillespie 48.8%
http://edition.cnn.com/election/2017/results/virginia-governor