Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
@paulwaugh: No10 sources say Patel definitely not being sacked tonight, not least as PM hasn't had chance to talk to her directly re new claims. Sounds like ominous breakfast phone call.
I was just about to ask whether she was a "remoaner" or a "fruit job" but you have answered that. If I were PM I'd sack them both and take the consequences because anything other than that just undermines the post of PM for whoever follows.
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean we're not out to get you...
Well, quite, Scott.
I'm not saying you have to like it, or support it, but one of the reasons constructive dialogue has largely broken down between Remainers and Leavers (and I accept Leavers have a part to play in this as well with their own behaviour) is because so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
@BethRigby: Nothing happening tonight re Patel. Told issue is whether more info emerges in papers that PM not aware of. Pair haven’t spoken this evening
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
Definitely no hurling of mud, bricks and stones there. No sireee.
Also the reason Theresa May hasn't read the assessments. They don't actually exist.
"It will take time to collate and bring together this information in a way that is accessible" Translation: "Bugger! We are going to have to write something."
Well, I am not aware of the evidence for the first point, other than taking your word for it.
On the second, that was an infamous performance, but plenty of politicians will try and play down their slip-ups.
From what I have been told, there's a lot of ministers who impress their staff with their manners and ability to process all their role entails and papers they receive.
For example Gove and Raab are well regarded by those who worked for them.
Liam Fox and David Davis aren't.
Boris Johnson is regarded as a very polite and affable person.
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
I expect that in its way, Brexit will be like Labour's victory in 1945. Many people will hate it, be motivated to campaign against it, but lots of people will welcome it.
@paulwaugh: The bizarre thing about today's Uganda trip is a rumour that it was brought forward by a couple of weeks to give Patel easy escape from current controversy.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
Scoffing is only effective from people who are very, very good at it, and people who are very, very good at it are much, much rarer than people who mistakenly believe they are very, very good at it. You don't learn from your mistakes, do you?
I really can't see the case for her going, but Boris staying.... there are much more serious consequences likely from his actions than there are from Patel's.
His was a sin of omission...not doing the work to realise how his words would be taken. Hers was deliberate. It took planning. And was lied about. The 2 are not comparable.
Well, I am not aware of the evidence for the first point, other than taking your word for it.
On the second, that was an infamous performance, but plenty of politicians will try and play down their slip-ups.
From what I have been told, there's a lot of ministers who impress their staff with their manners and ability to process all their role entails and papers they receive.
For example Gove and Raab are well regarded by those who worked for them.
Liam Fox and David Davis aren't.
Boris Johnson is regarded as a very polite and affable person.
Senior civil servants tend to only have a high opinion of fellow establishment public school Oxbridge graduate Ministers like most of them are. See Yes Minister, it has very little to do with what those Ministers actually get done.
Well, I am not aware of the evidence for the first point, other than taking your word for it.
On the second, that was an infamous performance, but plenty of politicians will try and play down their slip-ups.
From what I have been told, there's a lot of ministers who impress their staff with their manners and ability to process all their role entails and papers they receive.
For example Gove and Raab are well regarded by those who worked for them.
Liam Fox and David Davis aren't.
Boris Johnson is regarded as a very polite and affable person.
Senior civil servants tend to only have a high opinion of fellow establishment public school Oxbridge graduate Ministers like most of them are. See Yes Minister, it has very little to do with what those Ministers actually get done.
There are two reasons why civil servants might clash with a minister: it might be because they are genuinely autonomous and seek counsel from people not approved by their Permanent Secretary; or it might be because they are genuinely and dangerously stupid.
I tend to have a pretty good opinion of David Davis. I don't dislike Boris Johnson, although I fear that Foreign Secretary is not the right role for him. I have positive views of Raab and Gove.
If the Maybot doesn't fire Bojo and Priti, it will be confirmation that she is a Zombie PM. They are both completely out-of-order.
A Corbyn-led government would know how to deal with such folk and would also have a far more appropriate foreign policy, not least in its approach to unsavoury Middle-Eastern regimes.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cries of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak Rabin was a good and great man.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
If the Maybot doesn't fire Bojo and Priti, it will be confirmation that she is a Zombie PM. They are both completely out-of-order.
A Corbyn-led government would know how to deal with such folk and would also have a far more appropriate foreign policy, not least in its approach to unsavoury Middle-Eastern regimes.
Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
Tories support Israel.
Tories support a pariah nation.
What a contemptible comment, verging on the anti Semitic.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
He referred to a nation. I'm fed up how any reference to the Israeli government's detestable policies is immediately met with cried of anti-Semitism. Benjamin Netanyahu is a pariah, Yitzhak was a good and great man.
Well, I am not aware of the evidence for the first point, other than taking your word for it.
On the second, that was an infamous performance, but plenty of politicians will try and play down their slip-ups.
From what I have been told, there's a lot of ministers who impress their staff with their manners and ability to process all their role entails and papers they receive.
For example Gove and Raab are well regarded by those who worked for them.
Liam Fox and David Davis aren't.
Boris Johnson is regarded as a very polite and affable person.
Senior civil servants tend to only have a high opinion of fellow establishment public school Oxbridge graduate Ministers like most of them are. See Yes Minister, it has very little to do with what those Ministers actually get done.
There are two reasons why civil servants might clash with a minister: it might be because they are genuinely autonomous and seek counsel from people not approved by their Permanent Secretary; or it might be because they are genuinely and dangerously stupid.
I tend to have a pretty good opinion of David Davis. I don't dislike Boris Johnson, although I fear that Foreign Secretary is not the right role for him. I have positive views of Raab and Gove.
But Dr Liam Fox, I'm afraid, is an idiot.
Davis's 57 Brexit impact assessments that are excruciatingly detailed but don't actually exist show what a muppet he is. What has he actually achieved as Brexit Sec? The Uk doesn't seem to have won a single negotiating point so far and is looking weaker and weaker.
Even the lady held in Iran blames the Iranian government not Boris.
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
I think the Israel thing is a complete red herring.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
Priti isn't from Leicester...
No, but she is from an EA Asian rather than Subcontinental background. She has never been srctarian.
If the Maybot doesn't fire Bojo and Priti, it will be confirmation that she is a Zombie PM. They are both completely out-of-order.
A Corbyn-led government would know how to deal with such folk and would also have a far more appropriate foreign policy, not least in its approach to unsavoury Middle-Eastern regimes.
You mean it would welcome such regimes!
I don't think Corbyn would cosy up to the Saudi and Zionist regimes in the way the current govt does.
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean we're not out to get you...
Well, quite, Scott.
I'm not saying you have to like it, or support it, but one of the reasons constructive dialogue has largely broken down between Remainers and Leavers (and I accept Leavers have a part to play in this as well with their own behaviour) is because so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
I am a statistician who works for an insurance company. My capacity to influence events is zero. I take your point, but whether I give considered advice or the most vicious abuse the outcome will be the same.
There is a rather weird phenomenon on PB, although I assume it is reflected elsewhere: the conceit that Brexit is tribal, that Remainers must insult it or Leavers defend it, and that this is all just a game. Excepting the wealthy, the dual-nationals and the non-British nationals who post here - and neither of us is in those categories - we are all in the same rather shitty boat and if Brexit goes down, we go down with it. I am increasingly worried that because PB has an odd socioeconomic makeup, and the May administration increasingly incompetent, we are incapable of recognising danger and incapable of coping with it should it occur.
There's a quote (which I think is Wittgenstein) about how the world's end is accompanied by laughter from all the witty heads, who think it such a clever joke. I'm really not enjoying this.
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
Priti isn't from Leicester...
No, but she is from an EA Asian rather than Subcontinental background. She has never been srctarian.
so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
No, no and thrice no.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
Agreed. I have just got back from Berlin where I talked to some young Brits living there. It felt a lot like there very much is a common European Demos to me judging by their attitudes. I think some folk on here are seriously out of touch.
If the Maybot doesn't fire Bojo and Priti, it will be confirmation that she is a Zombie PM. They are both completely out-of-order.
A Corbyn-led government would know how to deal with such folk and would also have a far more appropriate foreign policy, not least in its approach to unsavoury Middle-Eastern regimes.
You mean it would welcome such regimes!
I don't think Corbyn would cosy up to the Saudi and Zionist regimes in the way the current govt does.
He'd be pretty keen on Iran, Hamas, and the Palestinian Authority, however.
"But if ever there was a time for a Prime Minister who is ready and able to do the job from day one, this is it. We have immediate work to do to restore political stability and economic certainty, to bring together the Party and the country, and to negotiate a sensible and orderly departure from the European Union. But more than that, we have a mission to make Britain a country that works not for the privileged and not for the few but for every one of our citizens."
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"I am introducing a tough Code of Conduct, with legally enforceable sanctions for non-compliance, to root out unethical behaviour."
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/927902641744764928
Knowing May, I think she'd prefer someone like Burt, even though it should be Stewart.
Brexiteer snowflake...
There is also a clear strain of anti Israeli bias in the Patel claims, dressed up in the concerns over the 'ministerial code' and of course the fact both are Brexiteers indeed drives hardline Remainers.
When you're unnecessarily and gratuitously rude to people don't be surprised if they return the favour.
She's got that awful ability you see across any work place, she thinks and acts like she's very clever when in fact she's not.
Remember for ages, she kept on telling anyone who would listen her performance on QT on the death penalty was a success.
What a f*cking embarrassment to this country. Begone pest!!
I'm not saying you have to like it, or support it, but one of the reasons constructive dialogue has largely broken down between Remainers and Leavers (and I accept Leavers have a part to play in this as well with their own behaviour) is because so many Remainers seem intent on trying to undermine the result, rather than use their influence to shape it.
The clever play (as I've said on here many times before) would be to try and influence the EU to re-open Dave's deal with an extra offering on free movement (in order to pursue a politically sustainable campaign for a re-remain) or to go for EEA-EFTA (which plenty of Remainers say they could live with on here) through advocating a 5-year pulling of the emergency brake, or similar.
But, it is preferred to hurl mud, bricks and stones.
On the second, that was an infamous performance, but plenty of politicians will try and play down their slip-ups.
I have said repeatedly since the result what needs to happen now is the hardest possible Brexit. That is the only way to kill the virus.
But it will be terrible, and I reserve the right to scoff at the process, the blundering idiots delivering it, the outcomes and those who advocated it, campaigned for it and voted for it.
@joncstone: ok this is your LAST last chance https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/928032855665635334
"It will take time to collate and bring together this information in a way that is accessible"
Translation: "Bugger! We are going to have to write something."
For example Gove and Raab are well regarded by those who worked for them.
Liam Fox and David Davis aren't.
Boris Johnson is regarded as a very polite and affable person.
East African Asians are generally less sectarian than their Sub-Continental cousins, in my experience.
I suspect her Pro-Israel sympathies arise elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priti_Patel
Buckle Up!
https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/928013380333469696
@paulwaugh: The bizarre thing about today's Uganda trip is a rumour that it was brought forward by a couple of weeks to give Patel easy escape from current controversy.
Night all...
A substantial part of Leicester are East African Asians, and sectarian differences are not a striking feature of their life. Part of the reason that they adapted better to British life is that they were used to living as a minority in another country, so less assertive about cultural issues. They are also more middle class than the communities that arrived directly from India and Pakistan in the Midlands and North.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/928030259554979840
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Also clandestine meetings with officials of a rogue state.
It is hard to give advice to a know-it-all.
"Vote labour, for strong and stable government in the national interest."
That doesn't mean supporting the government or settlers.
That 'pariah nation' is the only true and ancient homeland the Jewish people have after 6 million of them were murdered in the Holocaust.
https://twitter.com/leobarasi/status/928026684334493698
I tend to have a pretty good opinion of David Davis. I don't dislike Boris Johnson, although I fear that Foreign Secretary is not the right role for him. I have positive views of Raab and Gove.
But Dr Liam Fox, I'm afraid, is an idiot.
A Corbyn-led government would know how to deal with such folk and would also have a far more appropriate foreign policy, not least in its approach to unsavoury Middle-Eastern regimes.
I reckon Hammond and Hunt are the ones to watch, particularly Hammond.
Imagine Ms Patel had travelled to Colombia, ostensibly on holiday, but actually to meet with senior politicians. Imagine she did this without telling the Ambassador, the Foreign Secretary or the PM. She then made a number of suggestions/proposals to these politicians that ran counter to official government policy.
She then lied about what she'd done to the FCO, the PM and the press.
Oh yes, and she'd had some of these meetings with Party donors present.
Running a parallel foreign policy and then lying about it. Repeatedly.
It'd be a fireable offence in my job. It would be a fireable offence in any normal job.
There is a rather weird phenomenon on PB, although I assume it is reflected elsewhere: the conceit that Brexit is tribal, that Remainers must insult it or Leavers defend it, and that this is all just a game. Excepting the wealthy, the dual-nationals and the non-British nationals who post here - and neither of us is in those categories - we are all in the same rather shitty boat and if Brexit goes down, we go down with it. I am increasingly worried that because PB has an odd socioeconomic makeup, and the May administration increasingly incompetent, we are incapable of recognising danger and incapable of coping with it should it occur.
There's a quote (which I think is Wittgenstein) about how the world's end is accompanied by laughter from all the witty heads, who think it such a clever joke. I'm really not enjoying this.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/928017894465769472
Amber Rudd as PM - don't make me laugh. That woman shouldn't even be an MP, let alone home secretary, given her former business career.