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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Mr. kle4, indeed, and nor is it the first food furore involving the self-styled Son of God. Who can forget the widespread disappointment when he was providing catering for 5,000 people and only brought five loaves and two fish?

    As I recal it was pplenty...

    However there was the issue of unfair competition with local food vendors.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    I was reading the comments on a tech article, about the impact of Dutch law on security certificates.

    The comments turned into arguments about Brexit...

    So it's not just on here.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I wonder how long before British angles start emerging to this FBI investigation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Man, Lewis Hamilton is one of the greats, but I still feel sometimes with him, as with some other greats, people go overboard - his numbers are already among the very best, so there's a need to explain why that's not enough.

    Lewis Hamilton: Why the all-time F1 great shines above the numbers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41797613
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,274
    TGOHF said:

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
    Every cross-party problem is a bigger problem for the blues. That's just the way the world works.

    So we're now less than 12 months off Prime Miniester Corbyn.
    Shitty bollocks.
  • Cookie said:

    TGOHF said:

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
    Every cross-party problem is a bigger problem for the blues. That's just the way the world works.

    So we're now less than 12 months off Prime Miniester Corbyn.
    Shitty bollocks.
    Rubbish
  • I wonder how long before British angles start emerging to this FBI investigation.

    Already being looked into, from this June.

    Nigel Farage is a “person of interest” in the US counter-intelligence investigation that is looking into possible collusion between the Kremlin and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, the Guardian has been told.

    Sources with knowledge of the investigation said the former Ukip leader had raised the interest of FBI investigators because of his relationships with individuals connected to both the Trump campaign and Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder whom Farage visited in March.

    WikiLeaks published troves of hacked emails last year that damaged Hillary Clinton’s campaign and is suspected of having cooperated with Russia through third parties, according to recent congressional testimony by the former CIA director John Brennan, who also said the adamant denials of collusion by Assange and Russia were disingenuous.

    Farage has not been accused of wrongdoing and is not a suspect or a target of the US investigation. But being a person of interest means investigators believe he may have information about the acts that are under investigation and he may therefore be subject to their scrutiny.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/01/nigel-farage-is-person-of-interest-in-fbi-investigation-into-trump-and-russia

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    edited October 2017

    Mr. kle4, indeed, and nor is it the first food furore involving the self-styled Son of God. Who can forget the widespread disappointment when he was providing catering for 5,000 people and only brought five loaves and two fish?

    As I recal it was pplenty...

    However there was the issue of unfair competition with local food vendors.
    Questions persist over where all that food came from given the procurement records indicate far too little was purchased - did the so called 'Son of God' use sub par supplies from unsourced vendors when it became apparent he had messed up? Locals say it arrived as if by a miracle, and sources close to the man replied only with an enigmatic smile.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Can we repeat the well worn line: Dirty, sleazy Tories on the slide ?

    I would be surprised if only the Tory party MPs were involved though. But size matters. If one side has 318 MPs and another 262, the chances are that the former will have more culprits.

    Also, as headlines go, a Minister attracts more attention than an MP.

    Election in 2018 would have happened anyway; to clear the Brexit air. There won't be a full Brexit anyway, as we all know.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,821

    I wonder how long before British angles start emerging to this FBI investigation.

    Nigel Farage says he’s ‘not surprised about Manafort’. Why not?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Cookie said:

    TGOHF said:

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
    Every cross-party problem is a bigger problem for the blues. That's just the way the world works.
    Only in your bubble.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    edited October 2017
    surbiton said:

    Can we repeat the well worn line: Dirty, sleazy Tories on the slide ?

    I would be surprised if only the Tory party MPs were involved though. But size matters. If one side has 318 MPs and another 262, the chances are that the former will have more culprits.

    Also, as headlines go, a Minister attracts more attention than an MP.

    Election in 2018 would have happened anyway; to clear the Brexit air. There won't be a full Brexit anyway, as we all know.

    Not sure about the last paragraph. Brexit, full or partial, won't be done until 2019, so I don't know that it would have happened anyway as it is too soon to clear the Brexit air. It makes sense on a numbers and a 'in government' basis that the Tories would be hit harder by any sleaze allegations, although as you say given the nature of this sleaze it would be a big surprise to have them be the only culprits (nor are mere allegations sufficient, or equal), so I should think the more sensible figures in labour would be doing their best to rein in any who might be tempted to crow about how this will bring down the government.
  • surbiton said:

    Can we repeat the well worn line: Dirty, sleazy Tories on the slide ?

    I would be surprised if only the Tory party MPs were involved though. But size matters. If one side has 318 MPs and another 262, the chances are that the former will have more culprits.

    Also, as headlines go, a Minister attracts more attention than an MP.

    Election in 2018 would have happened anyway; to clear the Brexit air. There won't be a full Brexit anyway, as we all know.

    Panic in the SNP tonight apparently and when you say there will not be a full Brexit as we all know is just nonsense
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Quite a high standard of scandal and subsequent proof needed to force a by election. The real danger is large numbers of MP's who've either had to resign as ministers, are no longer appoints let as ministers or who've had to announce they won't be candidates at the next GE. It gives them nothing to lose in terms of work ethic or rebellion. The length of time between now and the next GE is the real issue. An Zombie MPs after serious allegations have 4 + years to limp on.

    I see no reason this will be a partisan issue. If 11% of Tory are under suspicion the numbers won't be that different for other parties. May needs to see this as an opportunity. She's a woman herself and for all her faults doesn't seem the sort to have groped the Tea Boy. She needs to rise above it, discipline strongly, promote female candidates and open primaries for successors. He ahead of the narrative. Take back control as it were.

    True. The chances that she herself was groped is very slim indeed.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
  • AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,484
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.

    * As I understand it KS made a drunken pass at this boy who said 'no' and left. Both examples a bit sleazy but no more than that
    He was a child, Roger. A child.

    Both illegal and perverted, to my mind. Children are off-limits, to any decent person, whether actor, priest, teacher or anything else.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,484
    Cookie said:

    TGOHF said:

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
    Every cross-party problem is a bigger problem for the blues. That's just the way the world works.

    So we're now less than 12 months off Prime Miniester Corbyn.
    Shitty bollocks.
    You’re assuming Labour MPs aren’t caught up in the latest allegations.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,948
    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.

    * As I understand it KS made a drunken pass at this boy who said 'no' and left. Both examples a bit sleazy but no more than that
    He was a child, Roger. A child.

    Both illegal and perverted, to my mind. Children are off-limits, to any decent person, whether actor, priest, teacher or anything else.
    Agreed.
    It's possible that it was an isolated youthful mistake - but it's also a potential criminal offence, and absolutely indefensible nonetheless.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    stevef said:

    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.

    Globally?!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,948

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
  • Esther McVey putting the boot into John Mcdonnell

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/925041836405780481
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    stevef said:

    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.

    They may not win it but Corbyn's Labour could form a minority government with backing from the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win more seats, as occurred in New Zealand recently and may be about to occur in Iceland.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    They oscillated between the late 20s and early 30s at the end of his term.

    Jimmy Carter also left office with 34%, Truman with 32%. Nixon had the lowest approval rating at the end of his term at 24%.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429

    I wonder how long before British angles start emerging to this FBI investigation.

    Nigel Farage show on LBC from 7 might be worth a listen tonight... ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    GIN1138 said:

    I wonder how long before British angles start emerging to this FBI investigation.

    Nigel Farage show on LBC from 7 might be worth a listen tonight... ;)
    I'm struggling to imagine circumstances where Nigel Farage would be worth listening to.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Esther McVey putting the boot into John Mcdonnell

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/925041836405780481
    ???????
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    TGOHF said:

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
    Labour don't have a wafer thin majority to lose.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    surbiton said:

    Esther McVey putting the boot into John Mcdonnell

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/925041836405780481
    ???????
    You've never seen a 'Hang the Tories' sign?

    But it is a distracting comment in the circumstances - speaking next to Stalin banners is ok after all.
  • Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    I hear they have a few quid in offshore accounts...
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited October 2017
    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044

    TGOHF said:

    I agree, 2018 looks ever more likely to be a General Election year and Laddies/Corals odds of 3/1 appear quite generous as things currently stand especially when coupled with Mrs May's worsening Brexit crisis. I've lumped on!

    On the other hand:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/10/could-sexual-harassment-allegations-bring-down-conservative-government
    The Labour sh!t has yet to hit the fan - to think this is only a blue problem is for the birds.
    Labour don't have a wafer thin majority to lose.
    Corbyn just has a wafer thin credibility as a future prime minister.
  • brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.
    Drain that swamp....drain that swamp....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    They oscillated between the late 20s and early 30s at the end of his term.

    Jimmy Carter also left office with 34%, Truman with 32%. Nixon had the lowest approval rating at the end of his term at 24%.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php
    It is rather disturbing to think that a president who was forced from office due to a criminal investigation which revealed massive fraud and criminality at the highest levels of government still had one in four potential voters approving of his record.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    HYUFD said:

    stevef said:

    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.

    They may not win it but Corbyn's Labour could form a minority government with backing from the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win more seats, as occurred in New Zealand recently and may be about to occur in Iceland.
    But a Corbyn minority government wont be able to do any of the things that Corbyn wants to do.

    But I will go further: Jeremy Corbyn will never be prime minister.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,746
    edited October 2017
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    I don't think so. The only President to rival Trump's unpopularity was Gerald Ford.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    Edit: at this point of their presidency.
  • Interview on ITV news with a woman who is part of a group belonging to labour claiming that they are receiving stories from all over the party about the abuse taking place from grassroots all the way up to the top and it is deep rooted in the party.

    This is not the time to attempt point scoring, it is everywhere and in every party
  • JSpringJSpring Posts: 100
    edited October 2017
    Barnesian said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    I don't think so. The only President to rival Trump's unpopularity was Gerald Ford.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    It would have been a bit strange if GWB had left office with an 81% approval rating; those graphs are only measuring their first year in office. GWB was stuck in a rut of 20-30% throughout most of his final two years. Carter, Nixon, the Elder Bush and Truman also went as low as the 20s.

    http://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2017
    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,746
    edited October 2017
    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.
    My experience with the Christian Brothers in the sixties was several were a bunch of sadistic perverts who took pleasure from beating young boys, and mild sexual acts.
    Your education was beaten in to you. They stopped when you were about 14,as you then both knew it was wrong, and were big enough to retaliate.
    Fortunately the Brothers are no more, and I am not affected by my schooling.

  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    stevef said:

    HYUFD said:

    stevef said:

    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.

    They may not win it but Corbyn's Labour could form a minority government with backing from the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win more seats, as occurred in New Zealand recently and may be about to occur in Iceland.
    But a Corbyn minority government wont be able to do any of the things that Corbyn wants to do.

    But I will go further: Jeremy Corbyn will never be prime minister.
    Quite correct. How stable would a minority Labour government relying on SNP and Lib Dem support be - would they have to buy off County Down and Brighton every week to keep Lady Hermon and Caroline Lucas on side?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Seconded.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,746
    edited October 2017
    JSpring said:

    Barnesian said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    I don't think so. The only President to rival Trump's unpopularity was Gerald Ford.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    It would have been a bit strange if GWB had left office with an 81% approval rating; those graphs are only measuring their first year in office. GWB was stuck in a rut of 20-30% throughout most of his final two years. Carter, Nixon, the Elder Bush and Truman also went as low as the 20s.

    http://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
    Quite. I've edited my post to make that clear.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    You can select different periods for comparison.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    Barnesian said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    I don't think so. The only President to rival Trump's unpopularity was Gerald Ford.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    Edit: at this point of their presidency.
    Ford ended up with an approval rating of 53% when he left office, after all Carter only beat him by 2%.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    stevef said:

    HYUFD said:

    stevef said:

    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.

    They may not win it but Corbyn's Labour could form a minority government with backing from the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win more seats, as occurred in New Zealand recently and may be about to occur in Iceland.
    But a Corbyn minority government wont be able to do any of the things that Corbyn wants to do.
    I do sometimes get the impression that people really think if they are in a tiny majority/minority/coalition government they will get to do everything they want to do with no downside - Tories surprised they had to make concessions to the LDs, Labour people who think in a rainbow coalition they'll be able o go full Corbyn.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    They oscillated between the late 20s and early 30s at the end of his term.

    Jimmy Carter also left office with 34%, Truman with 32%. Nixon had the lowest approval rating at the end of his term at 24%.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php
    It is rather disturbing to think that a president who was forced from office due to a criminal investigation which revealed massive fraud and criminality at the highest levels of government still had one in four potential voters approving of his record.
    Staunch Republicans probably, though Nixon did have some achievements on engaging with China etc.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,746
    jayfdee said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.
    My experience with the Christian Brothers in the sixties was several were a bunch of sadistic perverts who took pleasure from beating young boys, and mild sexual acts.
    Your education was beaten in to you. They stopped when you were about 14,as you then both knew it was wrong, and were big enough to retaliate.
    Fortunately the Brothers are no more, and I am not affected by my schooling.

    That was my experience too with the "Brothers" in the late fifties. But I am affected by my schooling as it got me into Cambridge.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    stevef said:

    HYUFD said:

    stevef said:

    There will be no general election in 2018.

    When the general election does eventually come, Corbyn's Labour will not win it.

    I have been right about the result of every general election since 1970 -including 2015 and 2017.

    They may not win it but Corbyn's Labour could form a minority government with backing from the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win more seats, as occurred in New Zealand recently and may be about to occur in Iceland.
    But a Corbyn minority government wont be able to do any of the things that Corbyn wants to do.

    But I will go further: Jeremy Corbyn will never be prime minister.
    Not all but some and if Corbyn has enough MPs supporting him to form a minority government he will become PM.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,722
    jayfdee said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.
    My experience with the Christian Brothers in the sixties was several were a bunch of sadistic perverts who took pleasure from beating young boys, and mild sexual acts.
    Your education was beaten in to you. They stopped when you were about 14,as you then both knew it was wrong, and were big enough to retaliate.
    Fortunately the Brothers are no more, and I am not affected by my schooling.

    I think every one of us can point to examples of mild sexual abuse at school. I had teachers who variously liked to stroke boys' arses, look down their shorts, or recite Latin homosexual love poetry to them. Fifteen years on, my step-daughter says that the female teachers at her school regarded it as one of the perks of their job to ogle the girls in the showers.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,746
    Trump has not tweeted for five whole hours. He's probably mulling over the Papadopoulos development. I suspect millions are waiting for the next tweet.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2017
    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    More than a few lifetimes.

    Quite remarkable.
  • Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Agreed.

    Also, I’m really thrown by Roger’s response to these recent issues concerning sexual harassment and sexual assault.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    They oscillated between the late 20s and early 30s at the end of his term.

    Jimmy Carter also left office with 34%, Truman with 32%. Nixon had the lowest approval rating at the end of his term at 24%.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php
    It is rather disturbing to think that a president who was forced from office due to a criminal investigation which revealed massive fraud and criminality at the highest levels of government still had one in four potential voters approving of his record.
    Staunch Republicans probably, though Nixon did have some achievements on engaging with China etc.
    Well, as Mr Spock said 'Only Nixon could go to China.'

    But there's staunch support for a president with some achievements and there's unthinking support for the first American president who had to tell his electorate that he wasn't a crook (and it turned out he was lying about that and all).

    It does raise the question - what could a party with fanatical supporters, like the followers of Trump or Corbyn, actually do to have its support totally collapse? If Watergate couldn't do it, what was worse?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Pong said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    More than a few lifetimes.

    Quite remarkable.
    If only it had been 116.

    Then he would be within a few years of explaining, 'we're going to build a massive wall, it's going to be stone and thick as my wig, and the Picts will pay for it.'
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    jayfdee said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.
    My experience with the Christian Brothers in the sixties was several were a bunch of sadistic perverts who took pleasure from beating young boys, and mild sexual acts.
    Your education was beaten in to you. They stopped when you were about 14,as you then both knew it was wrong, and were big enough to retaliate.
    Fortunately the Brothers are no more, and I am not affected by my schooling.

    Have you - and the other boys affected - never thought of seeking revenge by exposing the perpetrators? Personally I would not have hesitated - had that happened to me. I would have gone after them with zeal and determination that some continue to do re-Nazi concentration camp guards.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Barnesian said:

    jayfdee said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.
    My experience with the Christian Brothers in the sixties was several were a bunch of sadistic perverts who took pleasure from beating young boys, and mild sexual acts.
    Your education was beaten in to you. They stopped when you were about 14,as you then both knew it was wrong, and were big enough to retaliate.
    Fortunately the Brothers are no more, and I am not affected by my schooling.

    That was my experience too with the "Brothers" in the late fifties. But I am affected by my schooling as it got me into Cambridge.
    Yes I was affected in that I ended up with an MSc and then started and ran a very profitable company, which I sold and allowed me to retire at 55.
    Yes I learned how to fight back, and it served me well, others were not so lucky.
    They were still sadistic perverts though.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,746
    edited October 2017
    Pong said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    More than a few lifetimes.

    Quite remarkable.
    (-: thick finger
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:
    Didn't GWB have ratings in the 20's for sometime ?
    They oscillated between the late 20s and early 30s at the end of his term.

    Jimmy Carter also left office with 34%, Truman with 32%. Nixon had the lowest approval rating at the end of his term at 24%.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php
    It is rather disturbing to think that a president who was forced from office due to a criminal investigation which revealed massive fraud and criminality at the highest levels of government still had one in four potential voters approving of his record.
    Staunch Republicans probably, though Nixon did have some achievements on engaging with China etc.
    Well, as Mr Spock said 'Only Nixon could go to China.'

    But there's staunch support for a president with some achievements and there's unthinking support for the first American president who had to tell his electorate that he wasn't a crook (and it turned out he was lying about that and all).

    It does raise the question - what could a party with fanatical supporters, like the followers of Trump or Corbyn, actually do to have its support totally collapse? If Watergate couldn't do it, what was worse?
    I cannot see any circumstance which would see Tory or Labour or Republican or Democrat support fall below 25% unless they were overtaken by another conservative party or party of the liberal left.

    About 50% of the voters are ideological and always vote for the same party at general elections, it is the remaining 50% who are the swing voters who really decide elections and even then only a majority of those voters change their vote at landslide elections or major changes in the political weather eg 1997/2001 or 1979/1983.
  • So much going on it is hard to keep up.

    Catalan leader is in Belgium and has appointed a Belgium lawyer
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Sean_F said:

    jayfdee said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Vibratorgate......doesn't really work and who'd have thought a Tory MP could bring Soho into disrepute!

    Which is more disreputable Roger; asking an adult who works for you to buy sex toys, or propositioning a 14 year old you've just carried to your bed?

    Btw, it really isn't important to the question how good an actor either of the offenders are.
    If you think 18 year old prefects and 50 year old teachers were caning boys from the age of 7 upwards at most public schools during the 70's and 80's when this 'outrage' occured I'd score both a one out of ten.
    My experience with the Christian Brothers in the sixties was several were a bunch of sadistic perverts who took pleasure from beating young boys, and mild sexual acts.
    Your education was beaten in to you. They stopped when you were about 14,as you then both knew it was wrong, and were big enough to retaliate.
    Fortunately the Brothers are no more, and I am not affected by my schooling.

    I think every one of us can point to examples of mild sexual abuse at school. I had teachers who variously liked to stroke boys' arses, look down their shorts, or recite Latin homosexual love poetry to them. Fifteen years on, my step-daughter says that the female teachers at her school regarded it as one of the perks of their job to ogle the girls in the showers.
    I think pulling you out of PE lessons into the changing room and pulling down your shorts and rubbing in vaseline to avoid bruising is what happened regularly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811

    So much going on it is hard to keep up.

    Catalan leader is in Belgium and has appointed a Belgium lawyer

    You mean he has decided not to test Madrid's 'He can run again, if he is not in jail by then' olive branch for the elections?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Agreed.

    Also, I’m really thrown by Roger’s response to these recent issues concerning sexual harassment and sexual assault.
    Roger isnt referred to as Rogerdamus for nothing. He has huge form in calling things wrong; as such, his opposition to Brexit is a massive reassurance to us Leavers....

    :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited October 2017

    So much going on it is hard to keep up.

    Catalan leader is in Belgium and has appointed a Belgium lawyer

    Is that because he is under investigation for colluding with the Russians to get Trump elected or because he is accused of sexual harassment?
  • FFS..how thick are some students?

    Students were paid £50 for a phone contract to be taken out in their name. They were told there was nothing dishonest about this.

    Many were recruited through social networks attached to university groups, including the rugby teams at Leeds and Sheffield.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41807948/students-cheated-in-2m-mobile-phone-scam

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Half of ze names on ze list are ministers
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Agreed.

    Also, I’m really thrown by Roger’s response to these recent issues concerning sexual harassment and sexual assault.
    A couple of years ago he tried to justify a senior film director taking advantage of a young runner on a film. "It's what everyone expects - she knew what she was getting in to"

    My view ov him fundamentally changed for the worse that day
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Alistair said:

    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
    Not sure what this means to it all, but seems important:

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925082851812478978
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Fell from grace like ...........................
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Wow. The French don't do things by halves sometimes:


    "Many women worldwide have shared accounts of sexual harassment using the Twitter hashtag #MeToo. In France the equivalent is #balancetonporc, meaning "expose your pig". "

    BBC news website.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    Or more to the point the 6th series next year has been confirmed as the final series of the show.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Alistair said:

    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
    Isn't Newt Gingrich Ken Livingstones 2nd favourite politician behind that German bloke
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    Wow. The French don't do things by halves sometimes:


    "Many women worldwide have shared accounts of sexual harassment using the Twitter hashtag #MeToo. In France the equivalent is #balancetonporc, meaning "expose your pig". "

    BBC news website.

    Most unfair.

    Despite their reputation pigs are clean living animals.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited October 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Or more to the point the 6th series next year has been confirmed as the final series of the show.
    I am sure the announcement coming today was a total coincidence.

    I would have thought Frank being pushed under a train would be a fitting end to his career, and his wife could continue on.
  • Charles said:

    Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Agreed.

    Also, I’m really thrown by Roger’s response to these recent issues concerning sexual harassment and sexual assault.
    A couple of years ago he tried to justify a senior film director taking advantage of a young runner on a film. "It's what everyone expects - she knew what she was getting in to"

    My view ov him fundamentally changed for the worse that day
    Isn't Spacey a Democrat and a friend of Bill Clinton? Of course Roger can find no wrong in him!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited October 2017

    Alistair said:

    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
    Isn't Newt Gingrich Ken Livingstones 2nd favourite politician behind that German bloke
    I thought Hugo Chavez was second?

    I know he's dead but so is 'that German bloke' as you call him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Anyone else struggling to keep up with the cascade of news today?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761

    Charles said:

    Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Agreed.

    Also, I’m really thrown by Roger’s response to these recent issues concerning sexual harassment and sexual assault.
    A couple of years ago he tried to justify a senior film director taking advantage of a young runner on a film. "It's what everyone expects - she knew what she was getting in to"

    My view ov him fundamentally changed for the worse that day
    Isn't Spacey a Democrat and a friend of Bill Clinton? Of course Roger can find no wrong in him!
    Put him on Ze list.

    UPDATE. Less than half ze people on ze list are now minister
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287
    Our national politicians truly are the pits.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    ydoethur said:

    Wow. The French don't do things by halves sometimes:


    "Many women worldwide have shared accounts of sexual harassment using the Twitter hashtag #MeToo. In France the equivalent is #balancetonporc, meaning "expose your pig". "

    BBC news website.

    Most unfair.

    Despite their reputation pigs are clean living animals.
    I was always slightly bemused at school in french classes by having to learn about the charcuterie, a separate shop for pork products (ie not the butchers). Probably totally out dated now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited October 2017
    IanB2 said:

    Our national politicians truly are the pits.

    I could make a truly awful pun about Chatham people up.

    But really this isn't a subject for humour.
  • Charles said:

    Pong said:

    FPT;

    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
    Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.
    Bullsh*t.
    Agreed.

    Also, I’m really thrown by Roger’s response to these recent issues concerning sexual harassment and sexual assault.
    A couple of years ago he tried to justify a senior film director taking advantage of a young runner on a film. "It's what everyone expects - she knew what she was getting in to"

    My view ov him fundamentally changed for the worse that day
    Isn't Spacey a Democrat and a friend of Bill Clinton? Of course Roger can find no wrong in him!
    Put him on Ze list.

    UPDATE. Less than half ze people on ze list are now minister
    It's gonna be a very long list.
  • Anyone else struggling to keep up with the cascade of news today?

    Absolutely - and apparently women are appearing on the lists as well.

    It will be more than sensational if a woman is publically named
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,722

    Alistair said:

    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
    Isn't Newt Gingrich Ken Livingstones 2nd favourite politician behind that German bloke
    Is that the bloke with the little moustache?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
    Isn't Newt Gingrich Ken Livingstones 2nd favourite politician behind that German bloke
    I thought Hugo Chavez was second?

    I know he's dead but so is 'that German bloke' as you call him.
    Nah KL is famed for his love of Newts.


    Please don't make me explain lame jokes!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,722
    IanB2 said:

    Our national politicians truly are the pits.

    They are, but so are most countries'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    ydoethur said:

    Wow. The French don't do things by halves sometimes:


    "Many women worldwide have shared accounts of sexual harassment using the Twitter hashtag #MeToo. In France the equivalent is #balancetonporc, meaning "expose your pig". "

    BBC news website.

    Most unfair.

    Despite their reputation pigs are clean living animals.
    I was always slightly bemused at school in french classes by having to learn about the charcuterie, a separate shop for pork products (ie not the butchers). Probably totally out dated now.
    These days they get puzzled by the concept of a butcher - 'a separate shop for meat sir? Why bother with that?'

    Although I have to say I think butchers have survived better than greengrocers, and as for grocers...
  • IanB2 said:

    Our national politicians truly are the pits.

    It is far wider than the politicians. Sadly it is endemic throughout society
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Sean_F said:

    Alistair said:

    brendan16 said:

    Barnesian said:

    brendan16 said:

    Nigelb said:

    AP: BREAKING: Ex-Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, plead not guilty to all charges.

    Going to get expensive for them, then - particularly as it's suggested that assets are being seized.
    The link to the Podesta group is also of interest - Tony Podesta has now resigned from the firm he founded with his bother because of the Mueller probe it seems.

    And who is his brother - Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. It's a small world - and the alleged wrongdoings of course relate to before Manafort worked for Trump for a few weeks.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314



    He worked for Trump from March 1016 until August 2016 - more than a "few weeks".
    He was his campaign chair from June to August - a few weeks. Albeit not a millennium!!
    Newt Gingrich has a tweet full of effusive praise for Manafort's work.
    Isn't Newt Gingrich Ken Livingstones 2nd favourite politician behind that German bloke
    Is that the bloke with the little moustache?
    Think so.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    I find myself thinking of Lord Macaulay: "We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality." I know this is very wrong of me.
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