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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885
    Nigelb said:

    stodge said:

    Nigelb said:


    They would probably have had to issue that order before the hurricane was forecast.
    The last time they tried to evacuate, more died in their cars than as a result of the flooding, as people were stuck in massive traffic jams for many, many hours (and suffered heatstroke). Had that happened this time, many would have been stuck on roads three or four metres underwater.

    The real fault is the utter lack of long term planning for flood prevention, and the extensive recent development on Houston's surrounding flood plains.

    Fair point - I'm not acquainted with Houston or its environs. I imagined a chain of interstates heading north and west which could be used but as Gareth has said, trying to move two million people is probably more trouble than it's worth.

    As for flood prevention, of course, but 50 inches of rain is something you can't begin to plan for.
    You can begin to plan for it by not building on flood plains. It's something we're guilty of in this country too, but the US system of federal assistance for flood insurance, for example, has been absolutely nuts for decades (this is not exactly a party political issue), and has encouraged such development:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/29/a-storm-made-in-washington-215549
    As far as I can see from the map, and from memory there are five interstate heading out of Houston, at least two and probably three of which are, I would think, under water.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    It's estimated a country needs a population of 50 million to support an indigenous car industry. We happily meet that criteria.

    All we are seeing is the stupidity of selling off our parts industry to people who want to shut it down and move it

    It's not inconceivable that we might not end up much worse off as a result of being cut off from the cross-EU supply chain (assuming that happens, which is unclear at the moment). However, it is inconceivable that we'll end up better off overall; economists don't know many things, but one they do know is that protectionism and favouring domestic suppliers are a form of economic self-harm.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885
    Nigelb said:

    Almost exactly 3.5 runs per over at the moment. Easily gettable for people schooled in one-day cricket, although so are our bowlers.

    One day cricket isn't usually played on five day old strips, though.
    Fair point. Although the comments about Moeen Ali and Stokes on cricinfo are not flattering.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
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    Almost exactly 3.5 runs per over at the moment. Easily gettable for people schooled in one-day cricket, although so are our bowlers.


    And they’re going along at 3.36 so almost at the rate already. We need a couple of quick wickets or else my 19/2 bet might come in they could well be in with a shout of making the runs.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,056

    As far as I can see from the map, and from memory there are five interstate heading out of Houston, at least two and probably three of which are, I would think, under water.

    Mrs Stodge and I live near the Barking Creek which is tidal and has its own guillotine-like barrier which works in sync with the main barrier at Silvertown. Fine, in theory, but while we may get some protection from tidal flooding, the water coming downstream from the Creek along with rivers like the Lea and the Roding will simply back up and flood the surrounding plains so we would get inundated nor from the south (the Thames) but from the East and the North (the Creek, which comes out to the Thames at, not surprisingly, Creekmouth).

    We are probably not in the Thames flood plain but the provision of the Barrier has made us vulnerable.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520

    Nigelb said:

    stodge said:

    Nigelb said:


    They would probably have had to issue that order before the hurricane was forecast.
    The last time they tried to evacuate, more died in their cars than as a result of the flooding, as people were stuck in massive traffic jams for many, many hours (and suffered heatstroke). Had that happened this time, many would have been stuck on roads three or four metres underwater.

    The real fault is the utter lack of long term planning for flood prevention, and the extensive recent development on Houston's surrounding flood plains.

    Fair point - I'm not acquainted with Houston or its environs. I imagined a chain of interstates heading north and west which could be used but as Gareth has said, trying to move two million people is probably more trouble than it's worth.

    As for flood prevention, of course, but 50 inches of rain is something you can't begin to plan for.
    You can begin to plan for it by not building on flood plains. It's something we're guilty of in this country too, but the US system of federal assistance for flood insurance, for example, has been absolutely nuts for decades (this is not exactly a party political issue), and has encouraged such development:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/29/a-storm-made-in-washington-215549
    As far as I can see from the map, and from memory there are five interstate heading out of Houston, at least two and probably three of which are, I would think, under water.
    Yep, it’s a bit late now to call an evacuation, the only way out is by helicopter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    It's estimated a country needs a population of 50 million to support an indigenous car industry. We happily meet that criteria.

    All we are seeing is the stupidity of selling off our parts industry to people who want to shut it down and move it

    ...economists don't know many things, but one they do know is that protectionism and favouring domestic suppliers are a form of economic self-harm.
    On average, and over time, yes.
    But economists also agree that there are circumstances where protectionism benefits economies.
  • Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Nigelb said:

    It's estimated a country needs a population of 50 million to support an indigenous car industry. We happily meet that criteria.

    All we are seeing is the stupidity of selling off our parts industry to people who want to shut it down and move it

    ...economists don't know many things, but one they do know is that protectionism and favouring domestic suppliers are a form of economic self-harm.
    On average, and over time, yes.
    But economists also agree that there are circumstances where protectionism benefits economies.
    Indeed so, but those circumstances don't apply to us.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    Hope has a test average of 27, and has scored over 200 runs so far in this match...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    Nigelb said:

    It's estimated a country needs a population of 50 million to support an indigenous car industry. We happily meet that criteria.

    All we are seeing is the stupidity of selling off our parts industry to people who want to shut it down and move it

    ...economists don't know many things, but one they do know is that protectionism and favouring domestic suppliers are a form of economic self-harm.
    On average, and over time, yes.
    But economists also agree that there are circumstances where protectionism benefits economies.
    Indeed so, but those circumstances don't apply to us.
    Do we even know what circumstances will apply to us post Brexit ?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,402

    MaxPB said:

    The supply chain changes are probably the most positive part of that since it will add production jobs rather than assembly jobs. If this kind of action is replicated across the industry it will be very good tot he UK BoP.

    Except that it won't, because car manufacturers in EU27 countries will be cutting out UK parts manufacturers from their supply chains.

    Protectionism, rather than open international trade, is almost invariably damaging to an economy except in very specific circumstances.
    See my note below - When the UK eventually gets round to signing its own trade deals with third countries the local content threshold will apply to UK plus third country content rather than EU plus third country content, as at present. Manufacturers either have to boost UK content or they will move everything including component supply to the EU.

    There will almost certainly be a net migration of manufacturing from the UK to the EU. Investment in automotive industries is drastically down in the UK since Brexit, during an upcycle when you would expect it to increase and is increasing elsewhere. It also suggests we should piggyback every EU deal going, try to stay in the customs union etc.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    edited August 2017
    The Activate twitter account now seems to have been hacked. How terrible and unfortunate!

    Oh, and they have deleted the page from their website which gives details of their regional leading members & officers etc. Perhaps they are rapidly jumping ship already! Haha!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    Should never have dropped Rashid ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    edited August 2017

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is right when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    FF43 said:


    See my note below - When the UK eventually gets round to signing its own trade deals with third countries the local content threshold will apply to UK plus third country content rather than EU plus third country content, as at present. Manufacturers either have to boost UK content or they will move everything including component supply to the EU.

    There will almost certainly be a net migration of manufacturing from the UK to the EU. Investment in automotive industries is drastically down in the UK since Brexit, during an upcycle when you would expect it to increase and is increasing elsewhere. It also suggests we should piggyback every EU deal going, try to stay in the customs union etc.

    Yes, it's pretty clear that, of all sectors of the economy, car manufacturing is the most at risk from Brexit.

    Of course, we knew that before the referendum. What we can't yet judge is the extent of the damage, which will depend above all on the extent to which we can negotiate hassle-free customs arrangements and on the tariffs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is right when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Its a real shame, Tymal Mills has a buggered back. Nobody wants to face a 95mph left armer !!!

    I read a great piece about him as a junior. Totally wild, random beamers, throat balls faster than any junior the coaches had ever seen. Kids absolutely shit scared to face him, so much so some teams refused to play if he was allowed to bowl.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885
    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,056
    JohnLoony said:

    The Activate twitter account now seems to have been hacked. How terrible and unfortunate!

    Oh, and they have deleted the page from their website which gives details of their regional leading members & officers etc. Perhaps they are rapidly jumping ship already! Haha!

    If you already have to be a Conservative Party member to be in Activate, presumably it's a recognised body within the Party. I assume it will hold events at Conference and its Chairman, who worked for Nick Herbert, presumably has plenty of contacts he can use to get quality speakers.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Pulpstar said:



    British public probably not too keen on giving Corbyn the keys to number 10 when push comes to shove.

    Best PM figures are still virtually tied. But I think Labour got a "surprise near-win" momentum boost after the GE which has now dissipated and the reality is indeed more or less a tie.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited August 2017

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Good point about Malan. Worth a try as we approach tea!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Interesting article about the speed and reaction time to North Korea's missiles.
    Guam would get only around 15 minutes' notice of a strike before it hit.
    http://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2017/08/28/homeland-four-minutes-track-missile-trajectory/607112001/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Good point about Malan. Worth a try as we approach tea!
    At this rate, Alistair Cook's worth a try. He might not take wickets but at least we could have a good laugh.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Sandpit said:

    Interesting article about the speed and reaction time to North Korea's missiles.
    Guam would get only around 15 minutes' notice of a strike before it hit.
    http://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2017/08/28/homeland-four-minutes-track-missile-trajectory/607112001/

    Your betting position in the test must look good right now - worth about £800 or so ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Good point about Malan. Worth a try as we approach tea!
    At this rate, Alistair Cook's worth a try. He might not take wickets but at least we could have a good laugh.
    Actually, I’ve seen him bowl. Quite well. Took 3-13 against the Aussies in 2005 IIRC.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Good point about Malan. Worth a try as we approach tea!
    At this rate, Alistair Cook's worth a try. He might not take wickets but at least we could have a good laugh.
    Actually, I’ve seen him bowl. Quite well. Took 3-13 against the Aussies in 2005 IIRC.
    OK, Jonny Bairstow then!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,846
    Nigelb said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Certainly if Owen Jones is calling for May to sack him.in that article
    I see Jones is citing Rachel Sylvester's fabulously bitchy piece in the Times this morning.

    Bitchy ?
    Her own comments below the line are worth reading too:

    "I think his problem is that his brand has always been authenticity but he is a fake."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    edited August 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Interesting article about the speed and reaction time to North Korea's missiles.
    Guam would get only around 15 minutes' notice of a strike before it hit.
    http://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2017/08/28/homeland-four-minutes-track-missile-trajectory/607112001/

    Your betting position in the test must look good right now - worth about £800 or so ?
    Nah, only a nifty* at 19/2 and I've another nifty laying the draw at 1/4.

    *A cricket nifty for the past couple of years has actually been sixty, in honour of Australia's capitulative first innings score in the last Ashes Test. ;)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Good point about Malan. Worth a try as we approach tea!
    At this rate, Alistair Cook's worth a try. He might not take wickets but at least we could have a good laugh.
    Actually, I’ve seen him bowl. Quite well. Took 3-13 against the Aussies in 2005 IIRC.
    Checked and while he bowled against the Aussies his 3-13 was against Durham.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    He laid the snot out of Corbyn, so this in itself isn't any real indication it won't be the Mogg.........................
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited August 2017
    No sniggering....Apparently, Piers Morgan has broken 3 ribs falling flat on his arse .
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    So long as it's legal and with consenting adults, I'm really not interested....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Not for nothing did Gillespie call him 'the Hoover'...

    Still, after that wicket, it's on a knife edge now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,970

    No sniggering....Apparently, Piers Morgan has broken 3 ribs falling flat on his arse .

    Strange place to have ribs...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157

    No sniggering....Apparently, Piers Morgan has broken 3 ribs falling flat on his arse .

    More surprising he didn't suffer severe brain damage.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    ydoethur said:

    No sniggering....Apparently, Piers Morgan has broken 3 ribs falling flat on his arse .

    More surprising he didn't suffer severe brain damage.
    No that would have been a bigger shock
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,278
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Re the cricket...this is where England rather same-ish attack is a problem. No rapid pace, no left armer, no leg spinner. When batsman get set, we have 4 right arm bowlers of a similar pace (albeit different types), but nothing to either give the batsman the hurry up or bambozzle them.

    A good point. Just before tea on day 5 is just when you want to completely mix up the bowling, but we don’t really have that option. Where’s Monty Panasar when you need him? ;)
    Could try Westley, although he bowls off-breaks. Otherwise agree; even a part-time leggie would be useful.
    Malan is a legspinner albeit not a very good one.

    I can't understand why Rashid is not in the side. OK, so he bowls release balls, as has every legspinner in history except Warne. But he's a genuinely attacking option and even at this stage you would have thought he and Moeen together would be too much for the batting lineup, especially as these are the only two good in-form batsmen West Indies have.
    Not for nothing did Gillespie call him 'the Hoover'...

    Still, after that wicket, it's on a knife edge now.
    Joe Root should be bowling himself here, just to give a bit of variety.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited August 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    He laid the snot out of Corbyn, so this in itself isn't any real indication it won't be the Mogg.........................
    I'd love to see Paul Staines's betfair P/L.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    edited August 2017
    philiph said:

    ydoethur said:

    No sniggering....Apparently, Piers Morgan has broken 3 ribs falling flat on his arse .

    More surprising he didn't suffer severe brain damage.
    No that would have been a bigger shock
    True. I realised afterwards that I was insinuating that he has a brain *to* damage. Can I please assure everyone that this was a minor lapse on my part and I will be more careful in future.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Wonder if it might end in a draw, 122 runs is quite alot for a final session.

    And so is 7 wickets..
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,846
    So when you're near me, Angie can't you hear me. S. O. S.
    https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/902544870438514692
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,157
    Just to remind everyone of the Moron's finest hour:
    https://youtu.be/XRi_OnbF0yI
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited August 2017

    So when you're near me, Angie can't you hear me. S. O. S.
    https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/902544870438514692

    What a dramatic headline.

    Anyone would think headlines were designed to attract attention.

    The EU problem is they have no clear way of negotiating only implementing. In a negotiation a fixed position is a hindrance, so it isn't entirely stupid to talk to the people who control the detail of the fixed position. That isn't Junk and Barnie
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,402
    philiph said:

    So when you're near me, Angie can't you hear me. S. O. S.
    https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/902544870438514692

    What a dramatic headline.

    Anyone would think headlines were designed to attract attention.

    The EU problem is they have no clear way of negotiating only implementing. In a negotiation a fixed position is a hindrance, so it isn't entirely stupid to talk to the people who control the detail of the fixed position. That isn't Junk and Barnie
    It will be our post-Brexit SOP: try to co-opt, undermine and bypass the EU. The problem is when you try to do all three at the same time, they cancel each other out.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    FF43 said:

    philiph said:

    So when you're near me, Angie can't you hear me. S. O. S.
    https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/902544870438514692

    What a dramatic headline.

    Anyone would think headlines were designed to attract attention.

    The EU problem is they have no clear way of negotiating only implementing. In a negotiation a fixed position is a hindrance, so it isn't entirely stupid to talk to the people who control the detail of the fixed position. That isn't Junk and Barnie
    It will be our post-Brexit SOP: try to co-opt, undermine and bypass the EU. The problem is when you try to do all three at the same time, they cancel each other out.
    Why would that be a post Brexit SOP? What would we be trying to achieve by using that SOP? (I'm assuming Standard Operating Procedure).

    The lines of communication are abundantly clear. The EU manage relationships with around 180 countries with them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,140
    New thread...
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736
    edited August 2017
    Fox News just permanently stopped broadcasting on Sky TV platform - went off air at 4pm.

    See link:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/29/sky-to-stop-broadcasting-rightwing-us-channel-fox-news-in-uk
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