Lt. Theresa: Permission to speak freely, sir? Admiral TSE: Granted. Theresa: I do not believe this was a fair test of my Prime Ministerial abilities. TSE: And why not? Theresa: Because... there was no way to win. TSE: A no-win situation is a possibility every Prime Minister may face. Has that never occurred to you? Theresa: No, sir, it has not. TSE: And how we deal with Brexit is at least as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you say? Theresa: As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occurred to me. TSE: Well, now you have something new to think about. Carry on.
Of all the people to do the Kobayashi Maru, Theresa May would not be my first pick
You get the impression Theresa May is being kept in place by the Tories as a sort of shield against Corbyn's current popularity, on the assumption it'll drop some time in the next few months. There's no point in having a new leader now when he continues to lead in most polls, from the Conservatives' point of view. That's why the best guide to when the Tories choose a new leader may be to watch if and when Corbyn's ratings start to go down.
Judging by how Brown's, Clegg's and May's popularity dissipated it will happen sooner or later to Corbyn.
You'd think so, although Corbyn has managed to defy all predictions so far.
Lt. Theresa: Permission to speak freely, sir? Admiral TSE: Granted. Theresa: I do not believe this was a fair test of my Prime Ministerial abilities. TSE: And why not? Theresa: Because... there was no way to win. TSE: A no-win situation is a possibility every Prime Minister may face. Has that never occurred to you? Theresa: No, sir, it has not. TSE: And how we deal with Brexit is at least as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you say? Theresa: As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occurred to me. TSE: Well, now you have something new to think about. Carry on.
Of all the people to do the Kobayashi Maru, Theresa May would not be my first pick
The EU is a difficult concept - it is not logical.
Japan to seek Brexit reassurances from Theresa May
Isn't Japan a non-EU member???
Yes, but they make a lot of stuff here and sell it in the EU mainland. If they have to move then a LOT of jobs will go. The supply chain is more integrated with other European suppliers than you might expect.
You get the impression Theresa May is being kept in place by the Tories as a sort of shield against Corbyn's current popularity, on the assumption it'll drop some time in the next few months. There's no point in having a new leader now when he continues to lead in most polls, from the Conservatives' point of view. That's why the best guide to when the Tories choose a new leader may be to watch if and when Corbyn's ratings start to go down.
Judging by how Brown's, Clegg's and May's popularity dissipated it will happen sooner or later to Corbyn.
You'd think so, although Corbyn has managed to defy all predictions so far.
Corbyn even now has a net negative rating, let us not forget he lost the general election even if he outperformed expectations
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No it is not, even Starmer has effectively said Labour backs hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period. Over a third of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and over 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn
Something's been puzzling me about Channel Five's cricket coverage for a while now. It's to do with the fact that they show highlight's of each day's play but they don't broadcast live.
With all other types of cricket highlights, what happens is that the live commentary which is being broadcast on Sky (or previously Channel 4 or BBC) is also used for the highlights programme. Nothing unusual about that. For instance, you hear the same commentary on the highlights show on Sky as you would have heard on the live coverage.
But as I said Channel 5 don't broadcast live cricket, the only do the highlights show. The problem with this is that no-one knows in advance which bits of the day's play are going to be used for the highlights, unless it's a wicket or a boundary.
So the big question is: do the commentators do commentary on every ball even though they know that 90% of it won't be used on the highlights show and therefore they're practically talking for no reason and no-one will ever hear what they're saying? Because the only alternative to this would be to do retrospective commentary on the most interesting bits of play. But this would mean they're fooling the viewers because the highlights commentary is always presented "as if" it's live, not done afterwards.
I'm a bit suspicious that it may be added afterwards because if you listen to the commentary on Five Cricket it sometimes sounds slightly false, as if they're pretending to be surprised by something that's just happened when in fact they already know what happened.
May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.
Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority
There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
Well you are not a conservative so it is no surprise you are no fan of Boris.
The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST Party of course they are natural allies of the Conservative and UNIONIST Party and not Labour. Labour's historic allies in Northern Ireland are the Social Democratic and LABOUR Party
That’s true about the SDLP, but the DUP aren’t particularly enamoured of traditional Tories either. That’s why they are there. AIUI they started off, at least as a sort of Unionist Methodists, as in the Labour Party being a coalition of Methodism and Marxism.
And yes, I know the Rev Ian Paisley couldn’t be described, in today’s terms, as a Methodist, but his views were a lot closer to Methodist Unionists than to the Anglican Tories
The DUP grew out of the Ulster Unionist Party which in turn grew out of the Tory Party
The DUP developed separately from, and in opposition to, the UUP. It got some detectors, but it was the political wing of the Free Presbyterian Church, till well into the 1980's. After the GFA, high profile UUP members started switching to it.
Paisley himself campaigned for the UUP in the 1950s
It was always coming. Better late than never. Absolutely brilliant.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
He still is, he is only committing to suspend hard Brexit until 2024, the argument that he could get the EU to change free movement rules by then in which case the UK would stay in the single market after is of course a non-starter
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
You get the impression Theresa May is being kept in place by the Tories as a sort of shield against Corbyn's current popularity, on the assumption it'll drop some time in the next few months. There's no point in having a new leader now when he continues to lead in most polls, from the Conservatives' point of view. That's why the best guide to when the Tories choose a new leader may be to watch if and when Corbyn's ratings start to go down.
Which is an extremely intelligent strategy. The Tories haven't suddenly gone soft - if they have any brains, they'll have decided to use the husk of May's political career as a barrier against the storm of the next couple of years, to be discarded when no longer useful.
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No it is not, even Starmer has effectively said Labour backs hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period. Over a third of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and over 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn
If the Conservatives offered "hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period" (ie membership of the single market and customs union until May 2023, or variations thereof), would that satisfy you? Because that might happen.
So Boris could be PM by the beginning of September
'The plan is to have a leadership election over the summer of 2019 with the winner announced on August 30. The new PM would then face MPs on Tuesday, September 3, as Parliament returns from its summer break. '
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No it is not, even Starmer has effectively said Labour backs hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period. Over a third of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and over 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn
If the Conservatives offered "hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period" (ie membership of the single market and customs union until May 2023, or variations thereof), would that satisfy you? Because that might happen.
Hammond and Davis have been moving towards that position over recent weeks, though Boris yesterday effectively said he would accept a 1 year transition period maximum.
If he wins the membership vote in 2019 he becomes PM by September and can call a general election for spring 2020 pitting himself as the true Brexit believer against ditherer Corbyn while having dumped the unpopular Tory policies from the last campaign like the dementia tax and offering an end to the 1% public sector pay cap, also removing 2 key pieces of ammunition from Corbyn's armoury
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
Overwhelming majority? I'd want to see some numbers on that...
Something's been puzzling me about Channel Five's cricket coverage for a while now. It's to do with the fact that they show highlight's of each day's play but they don't broadcast live.
With all other types of cricket highlights, what happens is that the live commentary which is being broadcast on Sky (or previously Channel 4 or BBC) is also used for the highlights programme. Nothing unusual about that. For instance, you hear the same commentary on the highlights show on Sky as you would have heard on the live coverage.
But as I said Channel 5 don't broadcast live cricket, the only do the highlights show. The problem with this is that no-one knows in advance which bits of the day's play are going to be used for the highlights, unless it's a wicket or a boundary.
So the big question is: do the commentators do commentary on every ball even though they know that 90% of it won't be used on the highlights show and therefore they're practically talking for no reason and no-one will ever hear what they're saying? Because the only alternative to this would be to do retrospective commentary on the most interesting bits of play. But this would mean they're fooling the viewers because the highlights commentary is always presented "as if" it's live, not done afterwards.
I'm a bit suspicious that it may be added afterwards because if you listen to the commentary on Five Cricket it sometimes sounds slightly false, as if they're pretending to be surprised by something that's just happened when in fact they already know what happened.
The commentary is added afterwards.
My friend worked for Sunset and Vine, and he said they try to make it not so obvious.
You can tell because if you listen to TMS live, you can often hear Michael Vaughan and/or Geoffrey Boycott commentating live on an event during the day's play, then 'commentating' on that same event for Channel 5's highlights.
So Boris could be PM by the beginning of September
'The plan is to have a leadership election over the summer of 2019 with the winner announced on August 30. The new PM would then face MPs on Tuesday, September 3, as Parliament returns from its summer break. '
Theresa stands down on her own terms (without having to be stabbed in the back of the front) Summer 2019.
Who could have forseen that?
No idea who will succeed her but if we're in a "transition" phase it will be a Brexiteer as the party will be keen to make sure Brexit is achieved without any more backsliding...
And this means no general election until 2022 if there's a two year transition as the transition will have to have ended and the UK be properly "out" before the Tories can go to the country again (maybe explains why Boris only wants a one year transition which would then make 2020 viable for an election?)
So Boris could be PM by the beginning of September
'The plan is to have a leadership election over the summer of 2019 with the winner announced on August 30. The new PM would then face MPs on Tuesday, September 3, as Parliament returns from its summer break. '
Theresa stands down on her own terms (without having to be stabbed in the back of the front) Summer 2019.
Who could have forseen that?
No idea who will succeed her but if we're in a "transition" phase it will be a Brexiteer as the party will be keen to make sure Brexit is achieved without any more backsliding...
And this means no general election until 2022 if there's a two year transition as the transition will have to have ended and the UK be properly "out" before the Tories can go to the country again (maybe explains why Boris only wants a one year transition which would then make 2020 viable for an election?)
Yes it will be a likely Davis v Boris contest, Davis having negotiated the deal, Boris promising to see Brexit through.
2020 is still more likely than 2022 for the general election in my view, especially if Boris wins for as you have said he only wants a 1 year transition so by May 2020 that transition will have ended and he can try and get an overall majority for full Brexit with it seems Corbyn campaigning to go back to a transition period if he wins and presumably continued free movement
It was always coming. Better late than never. Absolutely brilliant.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that LEAVE, for lack of a better word, is good. LEAVE is right, LEAVE works. LEAVE clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. LEAVE, in all of its forms; LEAVE for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And LEAVE, you mark my words, will not only save the Tory Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK! Thank you very much!
It was always coming. Better late than never. Absolutely brilliant.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that LEAVE, for lack of a better word, is good. LEAVE is right, LEAVE works. LEAVE clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. LEAVE, in all of its forms; LEAVE for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And LEAVE, you mark my words, will not only save the Tory Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK! Thank you very much!
You've had a year plus and got absolutely nowhere
Got nowhere with what? We're leaving?
I admit the campaign REMAIN has fought has been ferocious and in retrospect LEAVE was very foolish to just leave the pitch the day after the referendum and let REMAIN have the way clear for themselves and their never ending diet of scare stories for over a year...
But in the end I wonder what it's all for. We triggered A50. We're going to LEAVE. There will be a transition of a year or two (certainly not four years) and in the end LEAVE will be implemented.
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No it is not, even Starmer has effectively said Labour backs hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period. Over a third of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and over 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn
If the Conservatives offered "hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period" (ie membership of the single market and customs union until May 2023, or variations thereof), would that satisfy you? Because that might happen.
Hammond and Davis have been moving towards that position over recent weeks, though Boris yesterday effectively said he would accept a 1 year transition period maximum.
If he wins the membership vote in 2019 he becomes PM by September and can call a general election for spring 2020 pitting himself as the true Brexit believer against ditherer Corbyn while having dumped the unpopular Tory policies from the last campaign like the dementia tax and offering an end to the 1% public sector pay cap, also removing 2 key pieces of ammunition from Corbyn's armoury
Thank you. I assume the 1-yr extension period is a non-starter, as it's too short to be an actual transition period, if you see what I mean. I'd wouldn't be surprised if it's two years or four years. Three years would be awkward, because three years is 2022 and that's five years after the 2017 election, and I assume an election and transition end at the same time would not be a good idea. But that's a lot of assumptions...
It was always coming. Better late than never. Absolutely brilliant.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that LEAVE, for lack of a better word, is good. LEAVE is right, LEAVE works. LEAVE clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. LEAVE, in all of its forms; LEAVE for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And LEAVE, you mark my words, will not only save the Tory Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK! Thank you very much!
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No it is not, even Starmer has effectively said Labour backs hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period. Over a third of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and over 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn
If the Conservatives offered "hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period" (ie membership of the single market and customs union until May 2023, or variations thereof), would that satisfy you? Because that might happen.
Hammond and Davis have been moving towards that position over recent weeks, though Boris yesterday effectively said he would accept a 1 year transition period maximum.
If he wins the membership vote in 2019 he becomes PM by September and can call a general election for spring 2020 pitting himself as the true Brexit believer against ditherer Corbyn while having dumped the unpopular Tory policies from the last campaign like the dementia tax and offering an end to the 1% public sector pay cap, also removing 2 key pieces of ammunition from Corbyn's armoury
Thank you. I assume the 1-yr extension period is a non-starter, as it's too short to be an actual transition period, if you see what I mean. I'd wouldn't be surprised if it's two years or four years. Three years would be awkward, because three years is 2022 and that's five years after the 2017 election, and I assume an election and transition end at the same time would not be a good idea. But that's a lot of assumptions...
A 1 year transition period or extension period if that is what you call it is what Boris wants and it also times in nicely with a May 2020 general election as it will have ended 2 months before
It was always coming. Better late than never. Absolutely brilliant.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that LEAVE, for lack of a better word, is good. LEAVE is right, LEAVE works. LEAVE clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. LEAVE, in all of its forms; LEAVE for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And LEAVE, you mark my words, will not only save the Tory Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK! Thank you very much!
You've had a year plus and got absolutely nowhere
Got nowhere with what? We're leaving?
I admit the campaign REMAIN has fought has been ferocious and in retrospect LEAVE was very foolish to just leave the pitch the day after the referendum and let REMAIN have the way clear for themselves and their never ending diet of scare stories for over a year...
But in the end I wonder what it's all for. We triggered A50. We're going to LEAVE. There will be a transition of a year or two (certainly not four years) and in the end LEAVE will be implemented.
Yep, keep saying that to yourself. Whatever.
The government doesn't know what it wants, various ministers contradict each other every day, the PM has no authority, it is supposed to be a national crisis of churchillian proportions and everyone is on holiday. They aren't up to the job.
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No it is not, even Starmer has effectively said Labour backs hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period. Over a third of 2015 Labour voters voted Leave and over 20% of 2015 UKIP voters voted for Corbyn
If the Conservatives offered "hard Brexit after a 4 year transition period" (ie membership of the single market and customs union until May 2023, or variations thereof), would that satisfy you? Because that might happen.
Hammond and Davis have been moving towards that position over recent weeks, though Boris yesterday effectively said he would accept a 1 year transition period maximum.
If he wins the membership vote in 2019 he becomes PM by September and can call a general election for spring 2020 pitting himself as the true Brexit believer against ditherer Corbyn while having dumped the unpopular Tory policies from the last campaign like the dementia tax and offering an end to the 1% public sector pay cap, also removing 2 key pieces of ammunition from Corbyn's armoury
Yeah, but he cant afford those goodies and a hard brexit.
A 1 year transition period or extension period if that is what you call it is what Boris wants and it also times in nicely with a May 2020 general election as it will have ended 2 months before
So 2020 is a good bet for next general election...
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Something's been puzzling me about Channel Five's cricket coverage for a while now. It's to do with the fact that they show highlight's of each day's play but they don't broadcast live.
With all other types of cricket highlights, what happens is that the live commentary which is being broadcast on Sky (or previously Channel 4 or BBC) is also used for the highlights programme. Nothing unusual about that. For instance, you hear the same commentary on the highlights show on Sky as you would have heard on the live coverage.
But as I said Channel 5 don't broadcast live cricket, the only do the highlights show. The problem with this is that no-one knows in advance which bits of the day's play are going to be used for the highlights, unless it's a wicket or a boundary.
So the big question is: do the commentators do commentary on every ball even though they know that 90% of it won't be used on the highlights show and therefore they're practically talking for no reason and no-one will ever hear what they're saying? Because the only alternative to this would be to do retrospective commentary on the most interesting bits of play. But this would mean they're fooling the viewers because the highlights commentary is always presented "as if" it's live, not done afterwards.
I'm a bit suspicious that it may be added afterwards because if you listen to the commentary on Five Cricket it sometimes sounds slightly false, as if they're pretending to be surprised by something that's just happened when in fact they already know what happened.
Only one party is willing to accept and implement the people's decision in the referendum and that party is the Tories.
Come on Theresa time to strike back!
The new PM would then face MPs on Tuesday, September 3, as Parliament returns from its summer break. '
So suggests a new Tory leader, probably Davis or Boris, by the end of August 2019 with a likely general election in 2020.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-sets-date-shell-quit-11061894
If he wins the membership vote in 2019 he becomes PM by September and can call a general election for spring 2020 pitting himself as the true Brexit believer against ditherer Corbyn while having dumped the unpopular Tory policies from the last campaign like the dementia tax and offering an end to the 1% public sector pay cap, also removing 2 key pieces of ammunition from Corbyn's armoury
My friend worked for Sunset and Vine, and he said they try to make it not so obvious.
You can tell because if you listen to TMS live, you can often hear Michael Vaughan and/or Geoffrey Boycott commentating live on an event during the day's play, then 'commentating' on that same event for Channel 5's highlights.
Who could have forseen that?
No idea who will succeed her but if we're in a "transition" phase it will be a Brexiteer as the party will be keen to make sure Brexit is achieved without any more backsliding...
And this means no general election until 2022 if there's a two year transition as the transition will have to have ended and the UK be properly "out" before the Tories can go to the country again (maybe explains why Boris only wants a one year transition which would then make 2020 viable for an election?)
2020 is still more likely than 2022 for the general election in my view, especially if Boris wins for as you have said he only wants a 1 year transition so by May 2020 that transition will have ended and he can try and get an overall majority for full Brexit with it seems Corbyn campaigning to go back to a transition period if he wins and presumably continued free movement
I admit the campaign REMAIN has fought has been ferocious and in retrospect LEAVE was very foolish to just leave the pitch the day after the referendum and let REMAIN have the way clear for themselves and their never ending diet of scare stories for over a year...
But in the end I wonder what it's all for. We triggered A50. We're going to LEAVE. There will be a transition of a year or two (certainly not four years) and in the end LEAVE will be implemented.
The government doesn't know what it wants, various ministers contradict each other every day, the PM has no authority, it is supposed to be a national crisis of churchillian proportions and everyone is on holiday. They aren't up to the job.
Those are the basic facts as I see them.
http://www.labour4singlemarket.org/