At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
You're only tainted if you voted for Brexit? Okay.
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
He is 77 years old and has lost in three leadership elections. Although Clarke stands with the likes of Bevin, Butler and Austen Chamberlain as a giant of twentieth century politics who could and probably should have been PM, it simply isn't going to happen.
Edited after autocorrect changed Bevin to Bevan - although arguably a case could be made either way!
At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it
Just seen on twitter the man was shouting a well known phrase as he brandished his machete outside the Palace... anyone care to guess?
Well I took a guess but it got moderated.
It's for your own good. You would want the Mayor of Venice see you post it
Venice seems in better hands than London comparing the remarks of the two Mayors.
He does have an unfair advantage though, not easy to drive a lorry into St Marks Square.
True. Attack by gondola would be slower.
On the other hand, considered as a purely academic point, I would have thought it would be easier to load a small barge with large amounts of explosive and detonate it somewhere vulnerable when you have canals literally right up to the front door, rather than a lorry which can only carry a relatively small load.
Yeah but you can just drive the lorry at people, then light the gunpowder for the double play
You could cause considerable damage crashing a heavy barge into wooden boats.
At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it
I thought the integrity of my inner Grammar Nazi was being questioned, and I was about to come over all SeanT. Thank you for sparing me from a really quite unpleasant fate!
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
He is 77 years old and has lost in three leadership elections. Although Clarke stands with the likes of Bevin, Butler and Austen Chamberlain as a giant of twentieth century politics who could and probably should have been PM, it simply isn't going to happen.
Edited after autocorrect changed Bevin to Bevan - although arguably a case could be made either way!
Adenauer was Chancellor until the age of 87 so it's not unthinkable that Clarke could serve. We will need a true elder statesman to oversee our debrexification.
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
You're only tainted if you voted for Brexit? Okay.
If he knew even an ounce about the Tory party the he'd realise that it's the remainers that are the most tainted with the members (who get the final say). It's why Matthew Parris had a bitch fest about it today.
How well would a Conservative Party Conference respond to an apology ? Contrition could be construed as weakness and as we know wounded party leaders tend not to survive too long.
May will survive until we leave the EU at which point she will be "persuaded" to retire with the thanks of a grateful party and nation after which the new leader will try to sell "Global Britain" helped, no doubt, by a generous tax cut or two in the right place and a bit of flag-waving here and there.
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
He is 77 years old and has lost in three leadership elections. Although Clarke stands with the likes of Bevin, Butler and Austen Chamberlain as a giant of twentieth century politics who could and probably should have been PM, it simply isn't going to happen.
Edited after autocorrect changed Bevin to Bevan - although arguably a case could be made either way!
Adenauer was Chancellor until the age of 87 so it's not unthinkable that Clarke could serve. We will need a true elder statesman to oversee our debrexification.
He was already there. Clarke is not.
The oldest UK politician to become PM for the first time was Palmerston (71 in 1855) the oldest ever Gladstone (82 in 1892) and the oldest in the twentieth century Churchill (76 in 1951). All of them were either in cabinet or leading the opposition at the time and Clarke is not. Churchill and Gladstone both later accepted they had been too old and unfit to be PM when appointed for the final time, and were carrying on solely out of ego (helped in Gladstone's case by the weakness of his possible successors).
Just because of Trump/Clinton and May/Corbyn doesn't mean we have suddenly jumped back from the age of youth to the age of age. There are practical considerations too (which is why Sanders and Biden will not be running in 2020). The election of Cable as leader as much as anything else shows the Liberal Democrats are happy to be protestors on the fringe. Clarke's time has now gone. A remarkable career, but it will not be crowned with No. 10.
The Daniel Hannan approach? Really? What happens if the rest of the EU says no? They're already proving sticky enough about tariff-free trade.
While the previous policy may have been unpopular with Labour voters at least it had some grasp of the realities and problems of the situation. This one, on the other hand...
Be in favour of not leaving, getting the referendum result reversed, by all means. But to accept that we're leaving and then to pretend we can stay in - does he take us all for fools?
Although John Kasich has strongly denied the recent and widely reported story from the Washington Examiner that he may launch a primary challenge against Trump in 2020, some might consider that there's seldom smoke without fire and accordingly decide to risk a few quid by backing him to become the next POTUS at the best odds currently available of 66/1 with Bet365/SkyBet/Marathon. Imho he came across as a very strong candidate last year but badly messed-up his timing in running for the GOP nomination by failing to secure sufficient financial support at the key stage of the campaign.
Mayweather definitely won the weigh-in: “Weight doesn’t win fights, fighting wins fights,” he said. “It won’t go the distance, mark my words.”
Uh oh.
I have based my total confidence on Mayweather just doing what he always does.
He's not exactly a KO specialist is he?
It's an entertainment event at the end of the day. Fun, but all about the money. Let's hope it opens up other opportunities. Dolph Lundhren vs Jet Li. Stallone vs Schwarzenegger. Daniel Craig vs Tom Hardy. Could be a goldmine.
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
You're only tainted if you voted for Brexit? Okay.
I never intend to vote for a Brexit supporting candidate.
Although John Kasich has strongly denied the recent and widely reported story from the Washington Examiner that he may launch a primary challenge against Trump in 2020, some might consider that there's seldom smoke without fire and accordingly decide to risk a few quid by backing him to become the next POTUS at the best odds currently available of 66/1 with Bet365/SkyBet/Marathon. Imho he came across as a very strong candidate last year but badly messed-up his timing in running for the GOP nomination by failing to secure sufficient financial support at the key stage of the campaign.
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
You're only tainted if you voted for Brexit? Okay.
I never intend to vote for a Brexit supporting candidate.
The Daniel Hannan approach? Really? What happens if the rest of the EU says no? They're already proving sticky enough about tariff-free trade.
While the previous policy may have been unpopular with Labour voters at least it had some grasp of the realities and problems of the situation. This one, on the other hand...
Be in favour of not leaving, getting the referendum result reversed, by all means. But to accept that we're leaving and then to pretend we can stay in - does he take us all for fools?
I'm not really convinced by that. The EU probably need our cash, at the end of the day, so to that end they could make some kind of fudge work. (If we still have any cash to give them). Of course, what they are advocating would objectively be a far worse position than actually remaining in the EU.
As much as I want a soft Brexit, I doubt it would actually solve the Brexit dilemma because it would simply reignite all the forces that led to Brexit in the first place.
Seems like a hard sell for Labour in their northern seats: vote for us to continue free movement of people. Er?
I know zero about boxing, but it's a fight between one of the best boxers ever and a bloke who has never had a boxing match before in his life.
It's bizarre.
If Roger Federer was to face Son Wan Ho at a badminton match no one would think he had a chance of winning but make it a combat sport and suddenly the guy who's never competed in the discipline is only 6/1 to win. Bonkers.
At least someone thinks there is an upside to these never ending attacks. Sign of the times that guards are attacked outside Buck House and no one on here mentions it
Exit, no deal should have been the default position. This whole process aimed at hanging on to as much as possible of a settlement that never even favoured Britain is a farce.
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.
Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority
There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
Well you are not a conservative so it is no surprise you are no fan of Boris.
The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST Party of course they are natural allies of the Conservative and UNIONIST Party and not Labour. Labour's historic allies in Northern Ireland are the Social Democratic and LABOUR Party
That’s true about the SDLP, but the DUP aren’t particularly enamoured of traditional Tories either. That’s why they are there. AIUI they started off, at least as a sort of Unionist Methodists, as in the Labour Party being a coalition of Methodism and Marxism.
And yes, I know the Rev Ian Paisley couldn’t be described, in today’s terms, as a Methodist, but his views were a lot closer to Methodist Unionists than to the Anglican Tories
The DUP grew out of the Ulster Unionist Party which in turn grew out of the Tory Party
The DUP developed separately from, and in opposition to, the UUP. It got some detectors, but it was the political wing of the Free Presbyterian Church, till well into the 1980's. After the GFA, high profile UUP members started switching to it.
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
It was always coming. Better late than never. Absolutely brilliant.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that LEAVE, for lack of a better word, is good. LEAVE is right, LEAVE works. LEAVE clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. LEAVE, in all of its forms; LEAVE for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And LEAVE, you mark my words, will not only save the Tory Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK! Thank you very much!
May will stay at least until Brexit negotiations are over in March 2019, then and only then will she step down and Boris and Davis likely face each other in the membership ballot. Boris has no interest in challenging until Brexit is completed, he wants to take the leadership with clean hands and free of any compromises or unpopular outcomes emerging from any deal and Davis of course has his hands full negotiating the deal.
Of course May's 'failure' still secured the Tories 42% of the vote, their highest voteshare in 25 years, even if she was obviously disappointed to have to do a deal with her allies in the DUP to obtain a parliamentary majority rather than govern with an increased overall majority
There are a remarkable couple of thoughts in that, although I agree that unless there’s a vote of no confidence in the Party, she’ll stay. The first is that Boris has clean hands; mucky little toerag is how I’d describe him. Secondly the description of the DUP as her allies; they’re no-one’s allies except their own. If someone like the late John Smith or one of the Millibands had been leader they’d have been in there supporting like rats up a drainpipe.
Well you are not a conservative so it is no surprise you are no fan of Boris.
The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST Party of course they are natural allies of the Conservative and UNIONIST Party and not Labour. Labour's historic allies in Northern Ireland are the Social Democratic and LABOUR Party
That’s true about the SDLP, but the DUP aren’t particularly enamoured of traditional Tories either. That’s why they are there. AIUI they started off, at least as a sort of Unionist Methodists, as in the Labour Party being a coalition of Methodism and Marxism.
And yes, I know the Rev Ian Paisley couldn’t be described, in today’s terms, as a Methodist, but his views were a lot closer to Methodist Unionists than to the Anglican Tories
The DUP grew out of the Ulster Unionist Party which in turn grew out of the Tory Party
The DUP developed separately from, and in opposition to, the UUP. It got some detectors, but it was the political wing of the Free Presbyterian Church, till well into the 1980's. After the GFA, high profile UUP members started switching to it.
The DUP evolved from Paisley's Protestant Unionist Party, dating from 1966. The DUP was founded in 1970.
Until there is a credible replacement who is not tainted by either Brexit or Bremain she will stay.
There's only one potential leader who is untainted by the referendum: Ken Clarke. He voted against the referendum and Article 50 so has a clean pair of hands.
You're only tainted if you voted for Brexit? Okay.
I never intend to vote for a Brexit supporting candidate.
@gabyhinsliff: Interesting btw that Lab is moving on Brexit only now threat of 2nd snap gen election is fading (ie now they're less likely to be put in..
So - labour's position is to stay in the EU for upto four years and will require a change in immigration policy as a condition of staying in. In the meantime immigration continues unabated and the ECJ rules over the UK.
Yes, this is very encouraging news. It's good that at long last one of the major parties now seems to be thinking in terms of what is good for the UK economy.
Yes, this is very encouraging news. It's good that at long last one of the major parties now seems to be thinking in terms of what is good for the UK economy.
Too bad they didn't think about what was good for the UK economy when they were in power.
Yes, this is very encouraging news. It's good that at long last one of the major parties now seems to be thinking in terms of what is good for the UK economy.
Yes but uncertainty is going to go on for years - not good for business
Yes, this is very encouraging news. It's good that at long last one of the major parties now seems to be thinking in terms of what is good for the UK economy.
Too bad they didn't think about what was good for the UK economy when they were in power.
Or when they were seeking power a few months ago...
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
There's a difference between failing to achieve your objectives and losing.
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
Mirror reports that Theresa May to has pencilled in Friday, August 30, 2019 as the day she will quit as Prime Minister.
So she's now officially a dead duck. If the government accepts that Article 50 deal won't include the final long term relationship, then why should she be the one to lead negotiations with the EU?
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
There's a difference between failing to achieve your objectives and losing.
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
The Tories had a majority which through TMay's actions it lost. That's a simple fact however you try to spin it.
Mirror reports that Theresa May to has pencilled in Friday, August 30, 2019 as the day she will quit as Prime Minister.
So she's now officially a dead duck. If the government accepts that Article 50 deal won't include the final long term relationship, then why should she be the one to lead negotiations with the EU?
Because she's the PM. Who else would lead the negotiation?
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
There's a difference between failing to achieve your objectives and losing.
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
The Tories had a majority which through TMay's actions it lost. That's a simple fact however you try to spin it.
Indeed, they lost their majority. That was a setback. But they still won the election - after all they are the government.
Mirror reports that Theresa May to has pencilled in Friday, August 30, 2019 as the day she will quit as Prime Minister.
So she's now officially a dead duck. If the government accepts that Article 50 deal won't include the final long term relationship, then why should she be the one to lead negotiations with the EU?
So the mirror is the official spokesman for the conservative party. You do talk daft at times
“I think Britain may come to the realization that Brexit, as they sold it to themselves, isn’t feasible,” he said. “But Britain itself would have to come to that conclusion. Britain is not going to be told, Britain has to learn, by doing — or attempting to do — what they propose, that what they’ve been proposing isn’t workable.”
“This issue of Brexit is all wrapped up with the English sense of who they are and their place in the world. And, in a way, Brexit is being used as a means of discovering a new identity. And that’s a psychological process rather than an economic one,” he said. “Britain has got to work out for itself who it wants to be.”
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
There's a difference between failing to achieve your objectives and losing.
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
The Tories had a majority which through TMay's actions it lost. That's a simple fact however you try to spin it.
May failed but didn't lose the election.
May lost her aura of strength and exposed weaknesses.
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
There's a difference between failing to achieve your objectives and losing.
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
Hasn't the head of William Hill (or some senior trader) said something like 'If we weren't having to broadly balance the book we'd price Mayweather at 1/100'? I'm just deciding how much I'm willing to risk, given that it seems free money but I know nothing about boxing.
Hasn't the head of William Hill (or some senior trader) said something like 'If we weren't having to broadly balance the book we'd price Mayweather at 1/100'? I'm just deciding how much I'm willing to risk, given that it seems free money but I know nothing about boxing.
Just 240 odd for me. In the middle of a mortgage application to move, would be more in normal times..
I suppose the EU will feel emboldened to raise its demands, and Labour will now be shouting at the government that the demands must be paid. And of course mass immigration is to continue, the Irish must be paid off, food prices must remain high to support the EU farmers and free trade with the rest of the world won't be allowed.
When the exit negotations tapes are leaked, and I think that is a certainty, I suspect the EU negotiators will look like a bunch of crooks. And Labour will be supporting them?
You think she should step down now, or should have stepped down on 9 June? Either way I don't agree, because the improvement in PMhood would have to be great enough to offset the charge that the Tories are wasting invaluable time (if they have a contest) or that here we have yet another mandateless appointee (if they coronate). We have in effect a quadrumvirate at the moment where TMay is scarcely even prima inter pares. Passing the crown round among the quadrumvirs achieves nothing.
The Tories have a rubbish leader - go look at her terrible personal ratings.
She is simply unable to relate to people.
Yes, of course, that was why Labour won the recent election!
There's a difference between failing to achieve your objectives and losing.
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
I suppose the EU will feel emboldened to raise its demands, and Labour will now be shouting at the government that the demands must be paid. And of course mass immigration is to continue, the Irish must be paid off, food prices must remain high to support the EU farmers and free trade with the rest of the world won't be allowed.
When the exit negotations tapes are leaked, and I think that is a certainty, I suspect the EU negotiators will look like a bunch of crooks. And Labour will be supporting them?
You been on the juice my friend? Brexit exit is on the cards now - thank f*cking God!
Yes, this is very encouraging news. It's good that at long last one of the major parties now seems to be thinking in terms of what is good for the UK economy.
Yes but uncertainty is going to go on for years - not good for business
Either stay or leave
Perhaps now would be a good option for somebody to do a cost/benefit assessment of the SM/CU option versus the WTO option.
Lt. Theresa: Permission to speak freely, sir? Admiral TSE: Granted. Theresa: I do not believe this was a fair test of my Prime Ministerial abilities. TSE: And why not? Theresa: Because... there was no way to win. TSE: A no-win situation is a possibility every Prime Minister may face. Has that never occurred to you? Theresa: No, sir, it has not. TSE: And how we deal with Brexit is at least as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you say? Theresa: As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occurred to me. TSE: Well, now you have something new to think about. Carry on.
You get the impression Theresa May is being kept in place by the Tories as a sort of shield against Corbyn's current popularity, on the assumption it'll drop some time in the next few months. There's no point in having a new leader now when he continues to lead in most polls, from the Conservatives' point of view. That's why the best guide to when the Tories choose a new leader may be to watch if and when Corbyn's ratings start to go down.
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
You get the impression Theresa May is being kept in place by the Tories as a sort of shield against Corbyn's current popularity, on the assumption it'll drop some time in the next few months. There's no point in having a new leader now when he continues to lead in most polls, from the Conservatives' point of view. That's why the best guide to when the Tories choose a new leader may be to watch if and when Corbyn's ratings start to go down.
Judging by how Brown's, Clegg's and May's popularity dissipated it will happen sooner or later to Corbyn.
If Labour sabotaged BREXIT I could not vote Labour ever again
Sad to hear but this is politics. The overwhelming majority who voted Labour at the last GE were very pro-EU. This is just a realisation of that very important fact. Brexit as we know it is dying...
No Brexit plan survives contact with the negotiaters?
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Edited after autocorrect changed Bevin to Bevan - although arguably a case could be made either way!
I thought the integrity of my inner Grammar Nazi was being questioned, and I was about to come over all SeanT. Thank you for sparing me from a really quite unpleasant fate!
How well would a Conservative Party Conference respond to an apology ? Contrition could be construed as weakness and as we know wounded party leaders tend not to survive too long.
May will survive until we leave the EU at which point she will be "persuaded" to retire with the thanks of a grateful party and nation after which the new leader will try to sell "Global Britain" helped, no doubt, by a generous tax cut or two in the right place and a bit of flag-waving here and there.
GE in May 2021.
The oldest UK politician to become PM for the first time was Palmerston (71 in 1855) the oldest ever Gladstone (82 in 1892) and the oldest in the twentieth century Churchill (76 in 1951). All of them were either in cabinet or leading the opposition at the time and Clarke is not. Churchill and Gladstone both later accepted they had been too old and unfit to be PM when appointed for the final time, and were carrying on solely out of ego (helped in Gladstone's case by the weakness of his possible successors).
Just because of Trump/Clinton and May/Corbyn doesn't mean we have suddenly jumped back from the age of youth to the age of age. There are practical considerations too (which is why Sanders and Biden will not be running in 2020). The election of Cable as leader as much as anything else shows the Liberal Democrats are happy to be protestors on the fringe. Clarke's time has now gone. A remarkable career, but it will not be crowned with No. 10.
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£41m matched on betfair.
Good evening, everybody.
While the previous policy may have been unpopular with Labour voters at least it had some grasp of the realities and problems of the situation. This one, on the other hand...
Be in favour of not leaving, getting the referendum result reversed, by all means. But to accept that we're leaving and then to pretend we can stay in - does he take us all for fools?
It could have been worse. I could have said I would 'come all over...'
I have based my total confidence on Mayweather just doing what he always does.
He's not exactly a KO specialist is he?
Ok, OK, I'll stop, I need to get some sleep anyway.
Goodnight and please don't have nightmares!
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Although John Kasich has strongly denied the recent and widely reported story from the Washington Examiner that he may launch a primary challenge against Trump in 2020, some might consider that there's seldom smoke without fire and accordingly decide to risk a few quid by backing him to become the next POTUS at the best odds currently available of 66/1 with Bet365/SkyBet/Marathon. Imho he came across as a very strong candidate last year but badly messed-up his timing in running for the GOP nomination by failing to secure sufficient financial support at the key stage of the campaign.
(& a decent guy.)
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857
As much as I want a soft Brexit, I doubt it would actually solve the Brexit dilemma because it would simply reignite all the forces that led to Brexit in the first place.
Seems like a hard sell for Labour in their northern seats: vote for us to continue free movement of people. Er?
Still, a major development.
If Roger Federer was to face Son Wan Ho at a badminton match no one would think he had a chance of winning but make it a combat sport and suddenly the guy who's never competed in the discipline is only 6/1 to win. Bonkers.
All the PB Tories who kept telling us Corbyn was a hard-Brexiter.
CON had majority
TMay called election to get bigger one
CON lost majority
Oh, it relies on them securing a special deal on freedom of movement? Good luck with that.
May please some but equally annoy many
Either stay or leave
Theresa May is in a worse position than she was before the election. But she is still PM. A Pyrrhic victory (with apologies to Pyrrhus) but a victory nonetheless
Mirror reports that Theresa May to has pencilled in Friday, August 30, 2019 as the day she will quit as Prime Minister.
https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/901547783227920384
http://www.politico.eu/article/united-kingdom-may-decide-brexit-vision-not-achievable-irish-ex-pm/
“I think Britain may come to the realization that Brexit, as they sold it to themselves, isn’t feasible,” he said. “But Britain itself would have to come to that conclusion. Britain is not going to be told, Britain has to learn, by doing — or attempting to do — what they propose, that what they’ve been proposing isn’t workable.”
“This issue of Brexit is all wrapped up with the English sense of who they are and their place in the world. And, in a way, Brexit is being used as a means of discovering a new identity. And that’s a psychological process rather than an economic one,” he said. “Britain has got to work out for itself who it wants to be.”
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/901545087406157825
May lost her aura of strength and exposed weaknesses.
What the consequences will be we don't know yet.
The arguments are more about the length of transition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gergovia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dyrrhachium_(48_BC)
Whether May can recover as Caesar did we don't know.
' Several hundred women married to French soldiers are holding a demonstration in Paris to denounce the "deplorable working conditions" in the army.
The protest was organised by the group Angry Soldiers' Wives, which has nearly 5,200 members.
Mercedes Crépin, who helped set it up, said some troops on anti-terror duty were being housed in damp hangars infested with cockroaches and lice. '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41061701
When the exit negotations tapes are leaked, and I think that is a certainty, I suspect the EU negotiators will look like a bunch of crooks. And Labour will be supporting them?
Admiral TSE: Granted.
Theresa: I do not believe this was a fair test of my Prime Ministerial abilities.
TSE: And why not?
Theresa: Because... there was no way to win.
TSE: A no-win situation is a possibility every Prime Minister may face. Has that never occurred to you?
Theresa: No, sir, it has not.
TSE: And how we deal with Brexit is at least as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you say?
Theresa: As I indicated, Admiral, that thought had not occurred to me.
TSE: Well, now you have something new to think about. Carry on.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/26/japan-brexit-concessions-theresa-may-visit
Japan to seek Brexit reassurances from Theresa May