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One of the little commented upon factors since GE2017 is that the former Tory golden boy appears to have lost the midas touch. Certainly there has been a big move away from him on the betting markets and he’s now in fourth place.
Such a pity he's been put in a job that would put his weaknesses on public display and keep him out of the country for long stretches so he can't build support in the PCP......who could have been so thoughtless?
They'll be asking Liam Fox to secure Trade Deals next!
I'm sure Davis's henchmen have sober judgment (Mitchell (!?!) - ed.) and Davis himself is unlikely to indulge in rash melodramatic gestures.....
What would happen if Davis' henchmen try to mount a coup/coronation that comes unstuck, leaving May in place? She could hardly leave him in situ, but then again sacking your BREXIT negotiator half-way through his job is far from ideal.....
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I'm not terrified of anything. There was a referendum that asked us if we wanted to leave the EU, the majority said yes. There is no fiasco, the country isn't divided, most people don't give a toss.
Its time you sucked it up and stopped whining like a child.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I'm not terrified of anything. There was a referendum that asked us if we wanted to leave the EU, the majority said yes. There is no fiasco, the country isn't divided, most people don't give a toss.
Its time you sucked it up and stopped whining like a child.
Nope, you and your ilk are driving us over the cliff, with support dribbling away, slowly but dribbling away none the less, I'd be worried if I was you.
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
Given the choice there'd be no rules, just free trade.
Walk down the High Street and decide where you buy your lunch.
There are always rules. Even when you buy your lunch on the high street there are standards food has to meet, labeling requirements etc.
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
While there is regulatory competition, the real issue is how EU rules are shaped. Many of them are adopted through reference to higher bodies, UNECE WP29 for vehicle regulations, ISO, Codex Alimentarius in Rome for food and animal welfare standards. Then of course there are the industries themselves who form trade bodies, who propose standards, or cooperate to set blueprint for categorisation so that their products are interchangeable (like batteries, it's not a coincidence that you can buy a battery in Nairobi that fits your Japanese transistor radio).
All these are adopted by many nations, the EU tends to gold.plate them, ms sets some standard independently to protect specific industries, but often that is because the industries themselves are strong lobbyists in Brussels, and there is a degree of protectionism that finds its way into he system there too.
The Reuters article is over simplifying an incredibly complex subject
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
The EU and the USA are both effective trade negotiators. The EU is a better fit for the UK as long as it is a member because it is a multilateral body that the UK can have a big influence over. As a non-member the UK will be in a similar position to Japan as described in the article, with little influence and squeezed between the two blocks.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
They aren't stupid either. What was the last election if it wasn't a referendum on the Tory handling of Brexit and the associated political climate that comes with it.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
Given the choice there'd be no rules, just free trade.
Walk down the High Street and decide where you buy your lunch.
There are always rules. Even when you buy your lunch on the high street there are standards food has to meet, labeling requirements etc.
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
While the EU exists ( and to a degree the USA), global free trade will forever be but a dream. Their aim is not free trade, but protectionism. Thier first focus is to keep themselves wealthy, as ensure organisational integrity. Free trade would threaten that, as each has a number of vested interests which cannot be sacrificed politically (largely in the agricultural sector, but there are others).
While many were concerned about TTIP, I would be surprised if it ever concludes. There simply isn't the will, not in either side, to compromise.
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
Repeat, 1000 times, IT'S NOT ABOUT TARIFFS!
Food standards are not tariffs
Free trade is about choice, nobody is forced to buy anything. By all means apply standards, standards don't equal rules.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I'm not terrified of anything. There was a referendum that asked us if we wanted to leave the EU, the majority said yes. There is no fiasco, the country isn't divided, most people don't give a toss.
Its time you sucked it up and stopped whining like a child.
Nope, you and your ilk are driving us over the cliff, with support dribbling away, slowly but dribbling away none the less, I'd be worried if I was you.
Food standards are explicitly rules. It is illegal not to meet them if you want to trade.
Illegal according to who?
We should trade freely and let the market find its price. You do understand why Poundland and Harrods both make money don't you? Nobody is forced to shop there.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
Well its cost me about e6,000 in a year due to exchange rates
Food standards are explicitly rules. It is illegal not to meet them if you want to trade.
Where are food standards set though? How much of the total food industry is cross border? These are important issues to address when looking at which rules are pertinent to an argument on regulation. Who enforces food standards in the main?
Mostly it's national government. Animal welfare standards are UK based and UK enforced. Food and hygiene standards are based on wider rules, but UK is free to set many of its own very high hurdles on high Street food retailers and restaurants, and does. Your local council is the body which enforces most food regulation.
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
Given the choice there'd be no rules, just free trade.
Walk down the High Street and decide where you buy your lunch.
There are always rules. Even when you buy your lunch on the high street there are standards food has to meet, labeling requirements etc.
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
While the EU exists ( and to a degree the USA), global free trade will forever be but a dream. Their aim is not free trade, but protectionism. Thier first focus is to keep themselves wealthy, as ensure organisational integrity. Free trade would threaten that, as each has a number of vested interests which cannot be sacrificed politically (largely in the agricultural sector, but there are others).
While many were concerned about TTIP, I would be surprised if it ever concludes. There simply isn't the will, not in either side, to compromise.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
Fall in value of the pound, associated inflation, shrinkflation. Hols in Spain are going to be getting more expensive. Things like that are gamechangers.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
Well its cost me about e6,000 in a year due to exchange rates
So still absolutely no evidence that Brexit is "making us all poorer".
And nor will there be. Come on Remoaners, destroy us with facts that prove we are all becoming poorer.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
Fall in value of the pound, associated inflation, shrinkflation. Hols in Spain are going to be getting more expensive. Things like that are gamechangers.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
Things like that are gamechangers.
I expect that's why the Lib Dems vote share fell in GE2017......
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
Given the choice there'd be no rules, just free trade.
Walk down the High Street and decide where you buy your lunch.
There are always rules. Even when you buy your lunch on the high street there are standards food has to meet, labeling requirements etc.
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
While the EU exists ( and to a degree the USA), global free trade will forever be but a dream. Their aim is not free trade, but protectionism. Thier first focus is to keep themselves wealthy, as ensure organisational integrity. Free trade would threaten that, as each has a number of vested interests which cannot be sacrificed politically (largely in the agricultural sector, but there are others).
While many were concerned about TTIP, I would be surprised if it ever concludes. There simply isn't the will, not in either side, to compromise.
Correct. The EU is a hindrance to trade.
As is the United States. It is a big bad world out there. My fear is that some free trade headbanger signs any old piece of paper Donald Trump flashes in front of him, which subjugates us to American standards and jurisdiction but does nothing to counter rampant American protectionism.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
Out of interest, what evidence do you have that Brexit is "making us all poorer"?
Things like that are gamechangers.
I expect that's why the Lib Dems vote share fell in GE2017......
And yet their wins in Oxford, Twickenham, Eastbourne, Bath and Surbiton cost you a narrow majority.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
So we can set the standards we need to meet to trade.
This is not complicated, but clearly too much for some...
But with the common commercial policy, the upward movement of wider global standards is set by the vested interests of the big European conglomerates, while the British innovator is often left voiceless as the EU speaks for us.
The future of trade is much more based at a global level when talking about NTB issues. WTO,Codex, UNECE, Independent sectoral trade bodies. To influence them, we need to have a free hand.
The USA is a big internal market, larger than the EU, and presently under both republican and democratic control has tended to resist international conformity, because its large enough to do so. Reference to the USA is therefore generally a red herring such discussion.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
The future of trade is much more based at a global level when talking about NTB issues. WTO,Codex, UNECE, Independent sectoral trade bodies. To influence them, we need to have a free hand.
How much does this "free" hand cost?
Could you explain membership of trade standards bodies to @freetochoose ?
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@nickeardleybbc: Chancellor says he hopes transition will mean goods continue to flow in "much the same way they do now" in period immediately after Brexit
So we can set the standards we need to meet to trade.
This is not complicated, but clearly too much for some...
But with the common commercial policy, the upward movement of wider global standards is set by the vested interests of the big European conglomerates, while the British innovator is often left voiceless as the EU speaks for us.
The future of trade is much more based at a global level when talking about NTB issues. WTO,Codex, UNECE, Independent sectoral trade bodies. To influence them, we need to have a free hand.
The USA is a big internal market, larger than the EU, and presently under both republican and democratic control has tended to resist international conformity, because its large enough to do so. Reference to the USA is therefore generally a red herring such discussion.
Do you not see the obvious contradiction in simultaneously saying that everything will be done globally and then saying that the US does what it wants because of its scale? The fact is that if global influence is our aim, leaving the EU is the last thing we should be doing.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
The Irish proposal, for the hard border to be a sea one with customs at Holyhead is the only one that works for a UK outside the Customs Union, but is the point at which the DUP brings down the Tories. Watch this space.
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
Given the choice there'd be no rules, just free trade.
Walk down the High Street and decide where you buy your lunch.
There are always rules. Even when you buy your lunch on the high street there are standards food has to meet, labeling requirements etc.
Minor details. I hear talk of tariffs, I don't see M&S charging you to go into their stores. We have become obsessed with rules, free trade should be our goal.
While the EU exists ( and to a degree the USA), global free trade will forever be but a dream. Their aim is not free trade, but protectionism. Thier first focus is to keep themselves wealthy, as ensure organisational integrity. Free trade would threaten that, as each has a number of vested interests which cannot be sacrificed politically (largely in the agricultural sector, but there are others).
While many were concerned about TTIP, I would be surprised if it ever concludes. There simply isn't the will, not in either side, to compromise.
I think you can add a lot of other countries to that list. Nearly all are protectionist to degree.
The heyday for the fetish of Free Trade was in the 19th Century, and then mostly a British one. It existed as a manifestation of British economic and Naval power. Free Trade was just another expression of British Imperialism, as with our Navy we could strangle others trade routes. Even then we set the rules so that within the Empire, native industries were pushed aside by British ones.
Do you not see the obvious contradiction in simultaneously saying that everything will be done globally and then saying that the US does what it wants because of its scale? The fact is that if global influence is our aim, leaving the EU is the last thing we should be doing.
And chickens have already provided the perfect example.
Once we are "free", we can either comply with US standards we don't set, or EU standards we don't set, or we don't buy or sell chickens...
@JasonGroves1: Philip Hammond says EU transition period will look much like EU membership: 'On the first day after we leave, many things will look similar'
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
'We could campaign'? Bully for us! Germany will look on in impotent envy at our newfound global influence while they remain shackled to the EU...
As I keep saying, you lost, either suck it up or change direction, it ain't working.
That's it?
That's the reasoned debate we have come to expect from the Brexiteers...
"The reason we don't need food trading standards is Leave won the referendum. Neener, neener"
Yes that's it actually, we had a reasoned debate and Leave won.
For the umpteenth time I invite you to make a positive case for us to rejoin the EU. In the meantime, in the list of priorities that included immigration, sovereignty, cost etc please tell me where food trading standards appeared on the list.
As I keep saying, you lost, either suck it up or change direction, it ain't working.
That's it?
That's the reasoned debate we have come to expect from the Brexiteers...
"The reason we don't need food trading standards is Leave won the referendum. Neener, neener"
Yes that's it actually, we had a reasoned debate and Leave won.
For the umpteenth time I invite you to make a positive case for us to rejoin the EU. In the meantime, in the list of priorities that included immigration, sovereignty, cost etc please tell me where food trading standards appeared on the list.
You're not waving you're drowning.
Is it listening to Philip Hammond this morning that has wound you up?
So we can set the standards we need to meet to trade.
This is not complicated, but clearly too much for some...
But with the common commercial policy, the upward movement of wider global standards is set by the vested interests of the big European conglomerates, while the British innovator is often left voiceless as the EU speaks for us.
The future of trade is much more based at a global level when talking about NTB issues. WTO,Codex, UNECE, Independent sectoral trade bodies. To influence them, we need to have a free hand.
The USA is a big internal market, larger than the EU, and presently under both republican and democratic control has tended to resist international conformity, because its large enough to do so. Reference to the USA is therefore generally a red herring such discussion.
Do you not see the obvious contradiction in simultaneously saying that everything will be done globally and then saying that the US does what it wants because of its scale? The fact is that if global influence is our aim, leaving the EU is the last thing we should be doing.
No, not really. The USA has economic strength that the EU does not have, simply because of its own unique financial position as the global currency provider. Plus, it really is one nation, and its homogeneity is longer established. As time goes by, and other currencies compete with the dollar,I suspect that hey will have to emerge from behind their self imposed Non tariff wall in may sectors. Looking to the future, I would expect to see the Block approach begin to subside as the WTO TBT agreement begins to be more advantageous, and the Trade Facilitation Agreement starts to take lager effect.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
As I recall, Dysons are no longer made here. They are however a very large share of the German market. They are going to continue manufacturing for that market.
I think that you have to buy a Henry if you want a UK made vacuum cleaner.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
'We could campaign'? Bully for us! Germany will look on in impotent envy at our newfound global influence while they remain shackled to the EU...
You make my point for me. In your world, you contend that Germany is the CCP, and the CCP is Germany. We had no voice. We will have one.
Mike and Jonathan nicely demonstrating the two contradictory sides of the Remoaner line on Brexit and the economy today.
No. Just two sides of the same coin.
The anticipation of Brexit and the incompetence of the current administration is having an impact. Some things are being priced in, look at the pound.
Uncertainty about the definition of Brexit is doing damage. Everyone hates uncertainty. It's churlish to argue that this is untrue.
But then we get to the impact of Brexit itself. That we simply don't know because it hasn't happened yet.
But given what is currently happening the prognosis is not good.
I'm going bullish again on the economy. The slowdown I was seeing in my sector looks to have been brought on by the eleection. Best July (internal and export) since I began trading.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
'We could campaign'? Bully for us! Germany will look on in impotent envy at our newfound global influence while they remain shackled to the EU...
You make my point for me. In your world, you contend that Germany is the CCP, and the CCP is Germany. We had no voice. We will have one.
I contend no such thing. If we had no voice, how did Peter Mandelson end up in charge of trade in the Commission?
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
'We could campaign'? Bully for us! Germany will look on in impotent envy at our newfound global influence while they remain shackled to the EU...
You make my point for me. In your world, you contend that Germany is the CCP, and the CCP is Germany. We had no voice. We will have one.
I contend no such thing. If we had no voice, how did Peter Mandelson end up in charge of trade in the Commission?
Commissioners represent the Commission, not their nation states. And he did, which is why you have such things as a privatised postal service which you probably didn't want.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
I don't think so, no.
I think you're totally obsessed with it, and need to get a grip.
Enjoying waking up to the news that John McCain has got his revenge on Trump two years after the original slur on his war record: always a dish best eaten cold.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
They aren't stupid either. What was the last election if it wasn't a referendum on the Tory handling of Brexit and the associated political climate that comes with it.
It was a general election fought largely on domestic policy.
You wanting it to be a verdict on Brexit that supports your viewpoint doesn't make it so.
The obvious problem with Boris is that he is clearly unsuitable for the job.
The risk of course is that he wants the job more than anyone else, has managed to get jobs before that he is clearly unsuitable for (arguably all of them), and there remain Tory members who inexplicably think he is going to lead them towards national credibility and success.
His risk is that more of his own colleagues share the former view than the latter.
The catch is that MPs habe a growing list of people they will want to keep away from the members and a shortage of eligible prospects.
Brexit is a bit like finding a lump. We've had a biopsy, we're waiting on the results and they're taking their time. We don't quite trust the doctor. The uncertainty is giving us sleepless nights. It might be benign, it might kill us. We just don't know.
But don't mistake that anxiety for the pain of surgery or the consequences of it not being benign.
Fingers crossed. Unfortunately you can't turn back the clock and unfind the lump. We now have to deal with it and work for a good outcome, hard or soft, leave or remain.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
I don't think so, no.
I think you're totally obsessed with it, and need to get a grip.
I'm sure that not everybody will be worse off when we leave but who has most to gain over the next ten years, i assume lawyers and ex politicians will but who else?
Mike and Jonathan nicely demonstrating the two contradictory sides of the Remoaner line on Brexit and the economy today.
The EU yesterday moving to take sanctions against Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic for refusing to help mitigate German migration policy shows just what direction it's going in. As do their broader moves against Poland.
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
52% ain't the tory right
52% who weren't offered a clear choice, just vague slogans, lies and competing views of outcome - and that on both sides. The whole thing is a fucking fiasco. What you are terrified of is that you wouldn't win a re-run.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
So you don't think that Brexit is a fiasco that's making us all poorer? Brexit will do to the Tories what the corn laws did in the 19th century.
I don't think so, no.
I think you're totally obsessed with it, and need to get a grip.
The irony of course is that the Peelite position on the Corn Laws was the bang on right decision for the country; it may have restricted the short term electoral prospects of the Tories, but it made them the natural Party of government from 1870-now.
The idea that once we leave the EU there will be a sudden tearing up of EU standards is laughable. Because many of those standards in cross border trade are adopted much more widely ( not under EU or ECJ jurisdiction but by equivalence due to the the WTO technical barriers to trade agreement), and are not set in principle by the EU itself, it would simply be counter productive.
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
Surely this could just as easily be evidence for Remain. After Brexit we shall still need to comply with European standards on vacuum cleaners but now we will have no voice in setting them.
No, because as the WTO TBT agreement starts to bite, then the EU will have to be more internationalist in its approach.
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
'We could campaign'? Bully for us! Germany will look on in impotent envy at our newfound global influence while they remain shackled to the EU...
You make my point for me. In your world, you contend that Germany is the CCP, and the CCP is Germany. We had no voice. We will have one.
I contend no such thing. If we had no voice, how did Peter Mandelson end up in charge of trade in the Commission?
Commissioners represent the Commission, not their nation states. And he did, which is why you have such things as a privatised postal service which you probably didn't want.
As I keep saying, you lost, either suck it up or change direction, it ain't working.
That's it?
That's the reasoned debate we have come to expect from the Brexiteers...
"The reason we don't need food trading standards is Leave won the referendum. Neener, neener"
Yes that's it actually, we had a reasoned debate and Leave won.
For the umpteenth time I invite you to make a positive case for us to rejoin the EU. In the meantime, in the list of priorities that included immigration, sovereignty, cost etc please tell me where food trading standards appeared on the list.
You're not waving you're drowning.
Food standards probably didn't appear on the list because the vast majority of voters had no idea what on earth the EU did and why. The Blue Flag clean beach thing would be another. Pro-Europeans bear a heavy responsibility for not explaining the positives over the years.
I remember a vox pox being conducted by I think Sky somewhere in Wales, were a few young people said the EU had done nothing for them or Wales.
They were stood outside an apprenticeship training centre (which they used) that had been built with EU structural funds.
@BBCr4today: Philip Hammond says it will be some time before "we can introduce full migration controls between the UK and EU" #r4today
@nickeardleybbc: Chancellor says he hopes transition will mean goods continue to flow in "much the same way they do now" in period immediately after Brexit
The Minister for Immigration (Control) said very recently that there would be migration controls on 30th March 2019.
Enjoying waking up to the news that John McCain has got his revenge on Trump two years after the original slur on his war record: always a dish best eaten cold.
I'm not sure McCain is like that actually, he's not Osborne.
But, he is independent-minded and does his own thing.
As I keep saying, you lost, either suck it up or change direction, it ain't working.
That's it?
That's the reasoned debate we have come to expect from the Brexiteers...
"The reason we don't need food trading standards is Leave won the referendum. Neener, neener"
Yes that's it actually, we had a reasoned debate and Leave won.
For the umpteenth time I invite you to make a positive case for us to rejoin the EU. In the meantime, in the list of priorities that included immigration, sovereignty, cost etc please tell me where food trading standards appeared on the list.
You're not waving you're drowning.
Is it listening to Philip Hammond this morning that has wound you up?
I haven't listened to Philip Hammond and I'm totally relaxed. I'm off to Ascot races with a spring in my step happily watching you lot in denial.
Your arguments and assertions are growing more desperate by the day.
Mr. Borough, hmm. As we're a massive net contributor, that's just using British money but slapping an EU flag on it.
Mr. Royale, interesting. I read the other day that Austria and Slovenia (I think) had won a court case unexpectedly, allowing them to return migrants to the point of origin (namely Italy/Greece).
Germany unilaterally deciding on an EU policy for enabling mass migration does not speak of the EU as a partnership of equals.
As I keep saying, you lost, either suck it up or change direction, it ain't working.
That's it?
That's the reasoned debate we have come to expect from the Brexiteers...
"The reason we don't need food trading standards is Leave won the referendum. Neener, neener"
Yes that's it actually, we had a reasoned debate and Leave won.
For the umpteenth time I invite you to make a positive case for us to rejoin the EU. In the meantime, in the list of priorities that included immigration, sovereignty, cost etc please tell me where food trading standards appeared on the list.
You're not waving you're drowning.
Food standards probably didn't appear on the list because the vast majority of voters had no idea what on earth the EU did and why. The Blue Flag clean beach thing would be another. Pro-Europeans bear a heavy responsibility for not explaining the positives over the years.
I remember a vox pox being conducted by I think Sky somewhere in Wales, were a few young people said the EU had done nothing for them or Wales.
They were stood outside an apprenticeship training centre (which they used) that had been built with EU structural funds.
And these EU structural funds, where did that money come from?
What annoys me the remainers is they paint an idealised picture of the EU. The bureaucracy is clearly not the land of milk and honey. Yet they talk it's like we're leaving the garden of Eden.
Brexiteers are worse. They totally overlook that he Westminster/Whitehall system is broken, has been for years and has proven its ability to resist reform. It is an ivory tower unfit to meet the needs of the British people. It has let us down consistently for decades. Yet Brexiteers cast it as a vibrant democracy, Another Eden.
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They'll be asking Liam Fox to secure Trade Deals next!
Have SeanT and Scaramucci ever been seen in the same room?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40735613
Party members are reluctant for May to stand down now – with 71% backing her to stay and 22% saying she should quit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/22/david-davis-theresa-may-conservative-leadership
I'm sure Davis's henchmen have sober judgment (Mitchell (!?!) - ed.) and Davis himself is unlikely to indulge in rash melodramatic gestures.....
What would happen if Davis' henchmen try to mount a coup/coronation that comes unstuck, leaving May in place? She could hardly leave him in situ, but then again sacking your BREXIT negotiator half-way through his job is far from ideal.....
https://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2017/07/london-mail-rail-postal-museum/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40748107
And the more I read about (and hear at work) the cluelessness with which we are approaching Brexit, the greater my level of fury with the Tories for bringing this utter stinking pile of poo down upon us all. This was wholly unnecessary, the country is now bitterly divided, our national reputation is being trashed daily in the eyes of all, and in honesty I was perfectly happy with arrangements as they were. A plague on the Tory right.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-trade-idUKKBN1AC0KK
My sense is the EU would be better. But what do others think?
Its time you sucked it up and stopped whining like a child.
Walk down the High Street and decide where you buy your lunch.
The electorate don't tend to like unnecessary elections or a bad loser.
Even when you buy your lunch on the high street there are standards food has to meet, labeling requirements etc.
All these are adopted by many nations, the EU tends to gold.plate them, ms sets some standard independently to protect specific industries, but often that is because the industries themselves are strong lobbyists in Brussels, and there is a degree of protectionism that finds its way into he system there too.
The Reuters article is over simplifying an incredibly complex subject
Food standards are not tariffs
That way madness lies....
While many were concerned about TTIP, I would be surprised if it ever concludes. There simply isn't the will, not in either side, to compromise.
Please be specific without any hyperbole
We should trade freely and let the market find its price. You do understand why Poundland and Harrods both make money don't you? Nobody is forced to shop there.
F1: practice starts in about an hour. In the meantime, my book's out today:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Traitors-Prize-Bloody-Crown-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B073WGRF3W/
On F1, decided to just stick with my bets on No Safety Car and Vettel at 5.2. Tempted by Bottas at 9... but decided against it.
Mostly it's national government. Animal welfare standards are UK based and UK enforced. Food and hygiene standards are based on wider rules, but UK is free to set many of its own very high hurdles on high Street food retailers and restaurants, and does. Your local council is the body which enforces most food regulation.
Otherwise neither would be making money. Or trading.
And nor will there be. Come on Remoaners, destroy us with facts that prove we are all becoming poorer.
You see we don't need to belong to the EU to set trading standards.
You do understand that don't you?
So no evidence at all, just guesses.
You do understand that don't you?
You'll get there in the end
We can be part of the body that sets the standards, or not.
Which would be better for us?
I would like to think you'll get there in the end, but I am not confident...
You stated clearly that we can trade in or out - why on earth would we pay to join?
This is your big chance, after a year of whining, to put it to bed.
Knock yourself out mate.......
It's not about trade standards, Brexit is about political Independence. The right to have a voice in the places where those standards are set, UNECE, Codex, WTO - we are currently bond by the common commercial policy. But Britain is an Innovator, drowned out in the EU by the massive continental conglomerates who don't want always to move forward. Dyson's experience against EU protection for 'old technology' is instructive - fixing the ratings test for vacuum cleaners so the bag is always "empty" was a big deal to the new bag less innovators. This is a common issue, where there are big players close to Brussels, they hold up progress in many cases. This then plays out more widely due to the common commercial policy, silencing Britain where it has most to offer.
This is not complicated, but clearly too much for some...
@realDonaldTrump: 3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down. As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!
We voted to leave, in the unlikely event of another referendum you need to make the argument to join.
Go on tv and talk about trading standards in the EU, I'm sure 99% of the electorate will get excited and follow you.
As I keep saying, you lost, either suck it up or change direction, it ain't working.
The future of trade is much more based at a global level when talking about NTB issues. WTO,Codex, UNECE, Independent sectoral trade bodies. To influence them, we need to have a free hand.
The USA is a big internal market, larger than the EU, and presently under both republican and democratic control has tended to resist international conformity, because its large enough to do so. Reference to the USA is therefore generally a red herring such discussion.
That's the reasoned debate we have come to expect from the Brexiteers...
"The reason we don't need food trading standards is Leave won the referendum. Neener, neener"
Could you explain membership of trade standards bodies to @freetochoose ?
Use small words. Maybe pictures would help.
@nickeardleybbc: Chancellor says he hopes transition will mean goods continue to flow in "much the same way they do now" in period immediately after Brexit
Taking the issue of domestic law, then the test that Dyson had to face in its home market which tended to show it's competitors in and unfairly positive light would also be gone, and as we would not have to use that test when advertising that product in international markets, we could use a more accurate one. We could then campaign to have that test adopted more widely as others would want to see that transparency. Common commercial policy prevents this.
The heyday for the fetish of Free Trade was in the 19th Century, and then mostly a British one. It existed as a manifestation of British economic and Naval power. Free Trade was just another expression of British Imperialism, as with our Navy we could strangle others trade routes. Even then we set the rules so that within the Empire, native industries were pushed aside by British ones.
Once we are "free", we can either comply with US standards we don't set, or EU standards we don't set, or we don't buy or sell chickens...
"Let them eat Sovereignty..."
For the umpteenth time I invite you to make a positive case for us to rejoin the EU. In the meantime, in the list of priorities that included immigration, sovereignty, cost etc please tell me where food trading standards appeared on the list.
You're not waving you're drowning.
The anticipation of Brexit and the incompetence of the current administration is having an impact. Some things are being priced in, look at the pound.
Uncertainty about the definition of Brexit is doing damage. Everyone hates uncertainty. It's churlish to argue that this is untrue.
But then we get to the impact of Brexit itself. That we simply don't know because it hasn't happened yet.
But given what is currently happening the prognosis is not good.
I think that you have to buy a Henry if you want a UK made vacuum cleaner.
Can we set the standards (Sovereignty) or not?
Do standards drive the cost?
The fact Brexiteers don't understand any of this is why the project is going to be such an epic fail...
I think you're totally obsessed with it, and need to get a grip.
Enjoying waking up to the news that John McCain has got his revenge on Trump two years after the original slur on his war record: always a dish best eaten cold.
You wanting it to be a verdict on Brexit that supports your viewpoint doesn't make it so.
The risk of course is that he wants the job more than anyone else, has managed to get jobs before that he is clearly unsuitable for (arguably all of them), and there remain Tory members who inexplicably think he is going to lead them towards national credibility and success.
His risk is that more of his own colleagues share the former view than the latter.
The catch is that MPs habe a growing list of people they will want to keep away from the members and a shortage of eligible prospects.
But don't mistake that anxiety for the pain of surgery or the consequences of it not being benign.
Fingers crossed. Unfortunately you can't turn back the clock and unfind the lump. We now have to deal with it and work for a good outcome, hard or soft, leave or remain.
Absolutely delighted we're leaving.
I remember a vox pox being conducted by I think Sky somewhere in Wales, were a few young people said the EU had done nothing for them or Wales.
They were stood outside an apprenticeship training centre (which they used) that had been built with EU structural funds.
But, he is independent-minded and does his own thing.
Your arguments and assertions are growing more desperate by the day.
Mr. Royale, interesting. I read the other day that Austria and Slovenia (I think) had won a court case unexpectedly, allowing them to return migrants to the point of origin (namely Italy/Greece).
Germany unilaterally deciding on an EU policy for enabling mass migration does not speak of the EU as a partnership of equals.
Hint - google net contributors.
Brexiteers are worse. They totally overlook that he Westminster/Whitehall system is broken, has been for years and has proven its ability to resist reform. It is an ivory tower unfit to meet the needs of the British people. It has let us down consistently for decades. Yet Brexiteers cast it as a vibrant democracy, Another Eden.
Rock and hard place.