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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    He said "in some branches of the future leaving will turn out to be a mistake"

    Not really aligned with your summary
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Emily Thornberry would say we can't make this woman stateless. Any view?

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/881982805621735426

    Technically you can't under international law. And the law matters.
    Try her for treason then if poss
    Is there any evidence?

    Story says she left the UK in 2004 to live with her husband who is now dead. She wants to return but if being prevented from doing so by ISIS
    I think IS was yet to be formed in 2004, though of corse Jihadis existed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682

    HYUFD said:



    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    One of my lefty friends on Facebook is interested in going to an event called 'Unseat Iain Duncan Smith'. It looks like a fairly well-attended canvassing session.

    It's rather disturbing how Labour seem to want to fight a continuous election. It's almost as if the far left doesn't recognise any democratically elected representatives other than its own.

    If there is one thing guaranteed to increase the majority of IDS it is having to answer the door to a bunch of Corbynistas when you are trying to sunbathe in the garden in the middle of July!
    I think demographics will do it for IDS and Boris and quite a few other Tory MPs in London quite soon - maybe even as soon as 2022.

    The white middle class Tory demographic is now restricted to a couple of solid wards in north Chingford and Woodford. More and more flats are being built in the south of the seat occupied by private renters which is essentially becoming north Walthamstow. And you saw the landslide Stella Creasy won by there.

    I wouldn't be surprised if both look for safer seats quite soon - outside the capital.
    If the Tories win most seats they should still win both Chingford and Uxbridge though Ilford North and Enfield North are now probably gone to the Tories for good short of a 1983 or 1997 style landslide
    Ilford North used to be the nice Tory end of Ilford :(
    Sadly Ilford North is heading to be a Labour safe seat as Ilford South already is
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    "In some possible branches of the future leaving will be an error"

    What a spineless argument. Cummings, like Gove, overestimates himself to an alarming degree.
    I'm a Leaver, but I don't think there's any way to drag the multiverse theory into a political post without looking like a twit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,854
    Charles said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    He said "in some branches of the future leaving will turn out to be a mistake"

    Not really aligned with your summary
    In answer to the question, "Is there anything which could now happen (or not happen) which would make you now wish Leave had not won the referendum result?"

    There's a clear implication that he believes we are following one of those 'branches' in which it is a mistake.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The "Brownshirts" comparison is compelling. How easily we forget that 1930s Berlin was plagued by radical Judaists detonating themselves in crowded places with cries of "Jahweh is the greatest".

    If there is a group comparable with 1930s Nazis in modern Britain, it is Muslim extremists
    pah who cares ?

    Game of Thrones is back, the only politics that counts
    The reason why it's been so long is that because Winter is Coming they had to wait for grim conditions to start filming.

    The Northern Ireland bits were shot last August
    they've beeen cut out of the programme because of the DUP

    it's now called It Aint half hot Mum

    I'd have thought the Lannisters would be DUPpers
    sheesh

    Starks obviously - theyre in the North

    or possibly Snows - Northern Bastards

    The Lannisters live in London
    The Starks are Yorkshiremen. Honourable to a fault, but really quite thick at the end of the day.

    The Lannisters are greedy incestuous bastards who no one like

    (Baelish is a Londoner. And Martin borrowed my family's name for part of his backstory - one of his extinct royal families)
    Yer what?

    I'm sure you want to change the latter part of your second sentence.
    Sorry, you are right.

    For "at the end of the day" please read "all day long"
    You're lucky that I'm not one of PB's snowflakes who gets upset when people call them thick.
    That's because you don't understand what I'm saying... ;)

    Edit: and you're not a real Yorkshireman anyway...
    That's fighting talk.
    You've got yourself to blame by being a member of LCCC.

    The only way to redeem yourself is by doing a George Davis on the Old Trafford pitch.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,288
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    One of my lefty friends on Facebook is interested in going to an event called 'Unseat Iain Duncan Smith'. It looks like a fairly well-attended canvassing session.

    It's rather disturbing how Labour seem to want to fight a continuous election. It's almost as if the far left doesn't recognise any democratically elected representatives other than its own.

    If there is one thing guaranteed to increase the majority of IDS it is having to answer the door to a bunch of Corbynistas when you are trying to sunbathe in the garden in the middle of July!
    I think demographics will do it for IDS and Boris and quite a few other Tory MPs in London quite soon - maybe even as soon as 2022.

    The white middle class Tory demographic is now restricted to a couple of solid wards in north Chingford and Woodford. More and more flats are being built in the south of the seat occupied by private renters which is essentially becoming north Walthamstow. And you saw the landslide Stella Creasy won by there.

    I wouldn't be surprised if both look for safer seats quite soon - outside the capital.
    If the Tories win most seats they should still win both Chingford and Uxbridge though Ilford North and Enfield North are now probably gone to the Tories for good short of a 1983 or 1997 style landslide
    Ilford North used to be the nice Tory end of Ilford :(
    Sadly Ilford North is heading to be a Labour safe seat as Ilford South already is
    The change in ethnic mix coupled with the change in housing tenure, plus the view on Brexit from a relatively young and educated population, have wiped out any chances the Tories might have had in the seat.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Emily Thornberry would say we can't make this woman stateless. Any view?

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/881982805621735426

    Technically you can't under international law. And the law matters.
    Try her for treason then if poss
    Is there any evidence?

    Story says she left the UK in 2004 to live with her husband who is now dead. She wants to return but if being prevented from doing so by ISIS
    I think IS was yet to be formed in 2004, though of corse Jihadis existed.
    I know. The paper's editor must be crap
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,242
    isam said:

    At the risk of sounding like I am constantly harking back to leaders of the past, it really was all about Nige

    Pre Nige era: 2%, irrelevance
    Nige era: Win Euros, 13%, Get ref, win ref
    Post Nig era: 2%, probably fold?

    He was there when the rot set in though.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    He wont be the last one to thrice deny Brexit before the cock crows.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    He said "in some branches of the future leaving will turn out to be a mistake"

    Not really aligned with your summary
    In answer to the question, "Is there anything which could now happen (or not happen) which would make you now wish Leave had not won the referendum result?"

    There's a clear implication that he believes we are following one of those 'branches' in which it is a mistake.
    The full context makes it cleR his view is that if the government screws up negotiations it will be a bad outcome.

    Not a profound point, but not worth the weight people are putting on it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,381

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Emily Thornberry would say we can't make this woman stateless. Any view?

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/881982805621735426

    Technically you can't under international law. And the law matters.
    Try her for treason then if poss
    Is there any evidence?

    Story says she left the UK in 2004 to live with her husband who is now dead. She wants to return but if being prevented from doing so by ISIS
    I think IS was yet to be formed in 2004, though of corse Jihadis existed.
    Founded 1999 actually
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    He wont be the last one to thrice deny Brexit before the cock crows.
    Stop squirming you useless piece of shit. You quoted a lie and have been caught out.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,242

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    before the cock crows.
    Don't be too harsh on yourself.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited July 2017

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    He wont be the last one to thrice deny Brexit before the cock crows.
    Stop squirming you useless piece of shit. You quoted a lie and have been caught out.
    It looks like I have touched a raw nerve.

    Brexit will turn into bitter ashes in your mouth, yet it will somehow turn out to be Remains fault.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    One of my lefty friends on Facebook is interested in going to an event called 'Unseat Iain Duncan Smith'. It looks like a fairly well-attended canvassing session.

    It's rather disturbing how Labour seem to want to fight a continuous election. It's almost as if the far left doesn't recognise any democratically elected representatives other than its own.

    If there is one thing guaranteed to increase the majority of IDS it is having to answer the door to a bunch of Corbynistas when you are trying to sunbathe in the garden in the middle of July!
    I think demographics will do it for IDS and Boris and quite a few other Tory MPs in London quite soon - maybe even as soon as 2022.

    The white middle class Tory demographic is now restricted to a couple of solid wards in north Chingford and Woodford. More and more flats are being built in the south of the seat occupied by private renters which is essentially becoming north Walthamstow. And you saw the landslide Stella Creasy won by there.

    I wouldn't be surprised if both look for safer seats quite soon - outside the capital.
    If the Tories win most seats they should still win both Chingford and Uxbridge though Ilford North and Enfield North are now probably gone to the Tories for good short of a 1983 or 1997 style landslide
    Ilford North used to be the nice Tory end of Ilford :(
    Sadly Ilford North is heading to be a Labour safe seat as Ilford South already is
    The change in ethnic mix coupled with the change in housing tenure, plus the view on Brexit from a relatively young and educated population, have wiped out any chances the Tories might have had in the seat.
    Though as 2015 proved the Tories can now win an overall majority without winning Ilford North
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    If this Is fine then what does bad look like?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    He wont be the last one to thrice deny Brexit before the cock crows.
    Stop squirming you useless piece of shit. You quoted a lie and have been caught out.
    You used to be quite a thoughtful poster....
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Emily Thornberry would say we can't make this woman stateless. Any view?

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/881982805621735426

    Technically you can't under international law. And the law matters.
    Try her for treason then if poss
    Is there any evidence?

    Story says she left the UK in 2004 to live with her husband who is now dead. She wants to return but if being prevented from doing so by ISIS
    Have a google
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    He wont be the last one to thrice deny Brexit before the cock crows.
    Stop squirming you useless piece of shit. You quoted a lie and have been caught out.
    It looks like I have touched a raw nerve.

    Brexit will turn into bitter ashes in your mouth, yet it will somehow turn ourt to be Remains fault.
    No raw nerves. I just don't get much chance to post at the moment due to work so want to make sure I use the correct amount of scorn for people like you who I consider be a waste of fresh air. As far as both Brexit and the current political situation goes I am extremely happy. Anything which makes life difficult for the party hierarchies is a win as far as I am concerned.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726
    Danny565 said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    So Brexit is like Communism, only a problem because it was never implemented properly?

    He wont be the last one to thrice deny Brexit before the cock crows.
    Stop squirming you useless piece of shit. You quoted a lie and have been caught out.
    You used to be quite a thoughtful poster....
    For people like you Danny i still will be. Liars and dissemblers like Foxinsocks just deserve scorn. As I said they are a waste of both bandwidth and fresh air.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    You're so funny.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    IanB2 said:

    The EP will love the spectacle of UKIP MEPs leaving UKIp en masse! Where will they go?

    Back home to Blighty in 633 days, 14 hours and 29 minutes.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited July 2017

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    The Brexit revolution will end like most revolutions, with the leaders fragged by their own troops. I look forward to it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    You're so funny.
    Not at all. That has always been my belief. A deal would be better but leavingnwithout a deal holds no fears for me at all.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    The Brexit revolution will end like most revolutions, with the leaders fragged by their own troops. I look forward to it.
    And that is a bad thing how exactly? They are politicians. They deserve all they get.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,381

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    The Brexit revolution will end like most revolutions, with the leaders fragged by their own troops. I look forward to it.
    You're so funny
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,405

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Dominic Cummings stuff is always so unreadable, I will never know if he does think leaving the EU was a mistake.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,405
    edited July 2017
    You have to wonder about the 38%. Why do they think that?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    The Brexit revolution will end like most revolutions, with the leaders fragged by their own troops. I look forward to it.
    And that is a bad thing how exactly? They are politicians. They deserve all they get.
    A further act of nihilistic deliberate self harm.

    I am glad I do not live in such a twisted mental world.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726
    edited July 2017
    FF43 said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Dominic Cummings stuff is always so unreadable, I will never know if he does think leaving the EU was a mistake.
    Different strokes I suppose. I always find his stuff very clear and understandable. And no, at no time in the article does he say leaving was or is a mistake. He is simply bemoaning the state of both our civil sevice and our politicians who dont understand that the world has changed and are still metaphorically figjting the last war.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    Negotiations on programme for a March 19 exit?
    The only bad outcome would be staying in the EU so I am unconcerned with whether they succeed or not really. I have a preference of course but don't expect it all to go.my way. Leaving is the basic measure of success. Anything else is a bonus.
    The Brexit revolution will end like most revolutions, with the leaders fragged by their own troops. I look forward to it.
    And that is a bad thing how exactly? They are politicians. They deserve all they get.
    A further act of nihilistic deliberate self harm.

    I am glad I do not live in such a twisted mental world.
    If you believe for minute that politicians are anything more than a necessary evil then you are a bigger fool than I took you for. And needless to say that is a difficult thing to achieve.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited July 2017
    Meh, got bored with that train of thought
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    FF43 said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Dominic Cummings stuff is always so unreadable, I will never know if he does think leaving the EU was a mistake.
    Different strokes I suppose. I always find his stuff very clear and understandable. And no, at no time in the article does he say leaving was or is a mistake. He is simply bemoaning the state of both our civil sevice and our politivians who dont understand that the world has changed and are still metaphorically figjting the last war.
    The reason Brexit failed in the past was because of the wreckers and traitors. Brexit will not be secured until the Kulaks are purged. Or something...
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    If this Is fine then what does bad look like?
    3M jobs lost, a year-long 10%-of-GDP recession starting in early 2017, planes falling out of the sky, forced repatriation of anyone more tanned than David Dickinson, everyone in the Square Mile moving to Frankfurt, war on the European mainland, Nissan relocating to Portugal/Poland/Guyana/Mars, tumbling house prices, soaring interest rates, punishment budgets, FTSE100 and 250 hammered, universities shutting down, NHS sold to Trump, [cont p94].

    But nobody's suggesting that will happen, are they? Not now, anyway.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    FF43 said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Dominic Cummings stuff is always so unreadable, I will never know if he does think leaving the EU was a mistake.
    Different strokes I suppose. I always find his stuff very clear and understandable. And no, at no time in the article does he say leaving was or is a mistake. He is simply bemoaning the state of both our civil sevice and our politivians who dont understand that the world has changed and are still metaphorically figjting the last war.
    The reason Brexit failed in the past was because of the wreckers and traitors. Brexit will not be secured until the Kulaks are purged. Or something...
    Still dribbling out your fatuous nonsense are you? You really should keep up with your drugs.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Drutt said:

    https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/881987771195371520

    FWIW, another rat leaves the sinking HMS Brexit.

    Except Farron is being dishonest as usual because Cummings says nothing of the sort. He has written another very good piece explaining how neither the politicians nor the civil service are fit for purpose.

    It should come as no surprise that the Eurofanatics like Farron and his fellow travellers on here have once again been shown to be lying through their back teeth.
    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    If this Is fine then what does bad look like?
    3M jobs lost, a year-long 10%-of-GDP recession starting in early 2017, planes falling out of the sky, forced repatriation of anyone more tanned than David Dickinson, everyone in the Square Mile moving to Frankfurt, war on the European mainland, Nissan relocating to Portugal/Poland/Guyana/Mars, tumbling house prices, soaring interest rates, punishment budgets, FTSE100 and 250 hammered, universities shutting down, NHS sold to Trump, [cont p94].

    But nobody's suggesting that will happen, are they? Not now, anyway.
    We were promised that as soon as the ballot boxes closed under Project Fear. But it didn't happen. Now it's delayed until the end of Article 50 when it won't happen either.

    Personally I'm still holding out for "war on the European mainland" which was one of my main reasons for voting Leave. It'd better come true and I'm not going to be fobbed off with an offer of a poxy free owl this time.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    GeoffM said:

    Drutt said:

    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    If this Is fine then what does bad look like?
    3M jobs lost, a year-long 10%-of-GDP recession starting in early 2017, planes falling out of the sky, forced repatriation of anyone more tanned than David Dickinson, everyone in the Square Mile moving to Frankfurt, war on the European mainland, Nissan relocating to Portugal/Poland/Guyana/Mars, tumbling house prices, soaring interest rates, punishment budgets, FTSE100 and 250 hammered, universities shutting down, NHS sold to Trump, [cont p94].

    But nobody's suggesting that will happen, are they? Not now, anyway.
    We were promised that as soon as the ballot boxes closed under Project Fear. But it didn't happen. Now it's delayed until the end of Article 50 when it won't happen either.

    Personally I'm still holding out for "war on the European mainland" which was one of my main reasons for voting Leave. It'd better come true and I'm not going to be fobbed off with an offer of a poxy free owl this time.
    "Only because Cameron didn't trigger A50 immediately", so we're told.

    Or, to put it another way, Remain Campaign Lies 'Only Lies Because They Were Based On Other Remain Campaign Lies', Says Lying Remain Campaign.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Drutt said:

    GeoffM said:

    Drutt said:

    It's all going so well, isn't it?
    Actually it's all going fine. Unless of course you are a committed party moderate for any of the parties in which case it is going quire badly. Which I consider be a good result.
    If this Is fine then what does bad look like?
    3M jobs lost, a year-long 10%-of-GDP recession starting in early 2017, planes falling out of the sky, forced repatriation of anyone more tanned than David Dickinson, everyone in the Square Mile moving to Frankfurt, war on the European mainland, Nissan relocating to Portugal/Poland/Guyana/Mars, tumbling house prices, soaring interest rates, punishment budgets, FTSE100 and 250 hammered, universities shutting down, NHS sold to Trump, [cont p94].

    But nobody's suggesting that will happen, are they? Not now, anyway.
    We were promised that as soon as the ballot boxes closed under Project Fear. But it didn't happen. Now it's delayed until the end of Article 50 when it won't happen either.

    Personally I'm still holding out for "war on the European mainland" which was one of my main reasons for voting Leave. It'd better come true and I'm not going to be fobbed off with an offer of a poxy free owl this time.
    "Only because Cameron didn't trigger A50 immediately", so we're told.

    Or, to put it another way, Remain Campaign Lies 'Only Lies Because They Were Based On Other Remain Campaign Lies', Says Lying Remain Campaign.
    That pretty much sums it up exactly, yes!
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited July 2017
    Interesting discussion on next years London borough elections. Havering is of course unique in that it has 22 Residents association councillors - mostly in the better off areas like Upminster. Labour only has two and UKIP six at present - UKIP mostly in the most deprived area of Harold Hill but also oddly in Emerson park which is the wealthiest.

    The residents associations are the reason the council is no overall control - one section of them run the council jointly with the Tories.

    It's the only London borough that has a strong base of independent councillors - and almost all the wards they hold would vote solidly Tory otherwise.
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612
    Probably because they realise that the best deal is no deal, and that is what is likely to happen.
    FF43 said:

    You have to wonder about the 38%. Why do they think that?
  • Row_ZRow_Z Posts: 4
    I took 5/1 Whittle and 11/2 Waters straight after Farage said he was out. Some bookies had Farage priced up at 1/3 still! I can't see him going back with the party in such a mess. No support, and no reason to exist. It's an empty husk waiting to be filled by some other movement. It's anti-immigrant stance will haunt it in a few years time when the nutjobs take control of it.
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