"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."
As non-sequiturs go, that's a humdinger. It's verging on insane. Spending millions on refurbishing social housing is viewing housing only for financial speculation?
British housing policy has been certifiably bonkers since at least Thatcher. Maybe putting an insane person in charge of it is the best way to make it work? Think of it like putting Boris+DD+Fox in charge of Brexit.
We had an increase in population of 500,000 last year. There's no way that it won't be bonkers with those numbers.
Sure there is, if you had a normal free market economy instead of a less efficient version of Soviet Communism you'd have no problem with an increase of 1 in 130.
Would this count as Con minority? If it's Any Other, that's over 300 on Betfair now although (could be wrong) I think it was said here that confidence and supply counts as Con minority.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
It means shacking up with the DUP just before peak marching season. I hope you like "No Popery" banners.
May has just killed Scot Tories recovery stone dead if Scotland doesn't get it's share of money, hasn't she?
I think we'll be seeing some SCon media hibernation for a while given the way they all went to ground when the DUP deal was first mooted.
13 MPs x £100 Million x 3 = £3.9 Billion !
Time for Ruth to deliver & MSM to hold her to account.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
Would this count as Con minority? If it's Any Other, that's over 300 on Betfair now although (could be wrong) I think it was said here that confidence and supply counts as Con minority.
BF rules talk about a C & S agreement and all the Cabinet posts are one party. So this looks like a Tory Minority bet win in next few hours.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scaremongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
Mr. Borough, yeah, that'd be my guess, but it would've felt remiss not to raise the question.
Still miffed Force India screwed themselves. I had a few pounds on Perez at 201 to win. And he could've.
*sighs*
I shouldn't complain. I'm Frank Spencering my way to profit by a subtle combination of cunningly putting on the wrong stakes for failing bets and brilliantly hedging a bet that then gets voided, only for the hedge to unexpectedly win.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
Theresa May asked for a majority. Voters saw fit to deny that request. Entirely up to them, of course, but it's a bit rich to complain that the result is that the only viable government requires the support of 'reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots' as you call them, or the democratically-elected representatives from Northern Ireland, as others might call them.
As for whether a formal deal was needed or not, the problem of not having a deal would be that the government would be forever at risk of vote-by-vote blackmail by the 'reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots'. It's not obvious to me that it's a bad idea to formalise the agreement, especialy given the Article 50 ticking clock, although I can see arguments on both sides. The actual agreement looks pretty reasonable.
a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots
You mean, the ones Gordon Brown tried to shack up with? Or were those different reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots who coincidentally were also called the DUP?
Must say, well done to the DUP. A pair of Jacks well played.
SF still have the option to throw the table over. I think that will be Gerry's first thought. It's whether the 80 staff who will lose their jobs can persuade him otherwise.
Mr. Borough, yeah, that'd be my guess, but it would've felt remiss not to raise the question.
Still miffed Force India screwed themselves. I had a few pounds on Perez at 201 to win. And he could've.
*sighs*
I shouldn't complain. I'm Frank Spencering my way to profit by a subtle combination of cunningly putting on the wrong stakes for failing bets and brilliantly hedging a bet that then gets voided, only for the hedge to unexpectedly win.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
It means shacking up with the DUP just before peak marching season. I hope you like "No Popery" banners.
May has just killed Scot Tories recovery stone dead if Scotland doesn't get it's share of money, hasn't she?
I think we'll be seeing some SCon media hibernation for a while given the way they all went to ground when the DUP deal was first mooted.
13 MPs x £100 Million x 3 = £3.9 Billion !
Time for Ruth to deliver & MSM to hold her to account.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scare mongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
Actually the deal is quite clever as it puts SF on the spot. If they refuse to agree to restart Stormont they will be putting at risk substantial investment into Northern Ireland.
Also James Brokenshire was kept out of the discussions
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
LOL, I feel no sympathy for those who take Trump at face value.
You have to wonder why the GOP actually want to pass this bill though. This is much worse than Obamacare and will have a hugely negative impact on the lives of millions, including their own voters.
Have to say, I'm glad I don't live in America. Wouldn't like to be in a country where they are the alternative.
The issue actually is that the voters didn't take Trump at face value. They didn't believe he would repeal it even when he was saying he would.
The GOP want to pass this because it's a massive tax cut, predominantly for the well-off.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots
You mean, the ones Gordon Brown tried to shack up with? Or were those different reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots who coincidentally were also called the DUP?
And what of the Labour party and it's woeful failure to deal with anti-semitic bigots within its own ranks?
I know people were fretting about the Tories having a problem being an honest broker in the Good Friday agreement talks if they hitch up with the DUP, but does anyone think a Jezza/McDonnell government will be seen as neutral?
F1: only two drivers have scored at every race this year. Vettel and Hamilton. Only one more (Ocon) has finished every race, and that's a 7/8 points record. I think he's a very talented driver. First proper season, drove a few races for Manor last year, and he's starting to trouble Perez.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
Where did you bet and at what odds? The odds I looked on betfair weren't tempting - market lacks liquidity still.
The interesting part of the agreement is that the DUP will support the government over Brexit. Together with the 13 Scons maybe we are beginning to see a move towards a softer negotiated Brexit
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scare mongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
Actually the deal is quite clever as it puts SF on the spot. If they refuse to agree to restart Stormont they will be putting at risk substantial investment into Northern Ireland.
Also James Brokenshire was kept out of the discussions
But they never want the place to look good compared to the haven of peace, EU investment and a Liffey running green with dollars you get in the RoI.
I'm of the opinion putting the ball so firmly in SF's court is a bad thing. They can hurt both UK and NI with one wave of a wand.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
Where did you bet and at what odds? The odds I looked on betfair weren't tempting - market lacks liquidity still.
I took some of the illiquid money at better than evens that was there.
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
Luckily, under FPTP it's extremely unlikely that an extremist party gets to hold the balance of power.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
There we go then. That is clear. So any deal with any party (including BNP or Sinn Fein) is fair game. So now we know.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
There we go then. That is clear. So any deal with any party (including BNP or Sinn Fein) is fair game. So now we know.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
There we go then. That is clear. So any deal with any party (including BNP or Sinn Fein) is fair game. So now we know.
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
Luckily, under FPTP it's extremely unlikely that an extremist party gets to hold the balance of power.
Yes. If we had PR, like Israel or most of the Continent, then such deals would be frequent.
A lot of the money seems to be frontloaded - over the next 2 years.
2019 election?
"The agreement will remain in place for the length of the parliament......"
And aren't you just so excited about it?
This disgusting bunch will retoxify what's left of the addled Tory 'brand' and you will reap what you sow. @TSE is absolutely right.
Still sore that you 'won'?
I have won nothing, nor claimed victory in anything.
Given that you are an Oxbridge graduate in your sixties I would expect a more nuanced point of view from you. But you are behaving like a fangirl, not a thinker.
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
Luckily, under FPTP it's extremely unlikely that an extremist party gets to hold the balance of power.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
There we go then. That is clear. So any deal with any party (including BNP or Sinn Fein) is fair game. So now we know.
Plainly, it depends what a deal entails. I don't see much that's objectionable in this one.
I find it very odd when I hear it said that the yoof are angry about Brexit because it means they can't work abroad.
To work abroad, you usually have to be competent in the local language. The only exception is Holland where literally everyone including the homeless speaks English.
What would a millennial do in Germany or Paris?
At a guess, and this is just a guess, I'd say they would learn German or French. Millennials are capable of learning other languages.
They do. According to that, 38% of Britons speak a foreign language. It's less than other countries sure, but still a sizeable amount. Of the 62% there is likely to be a higher amount of people who don't have any interest in moving abroad at least in part because of language issues, so the 38% of people that do speak another language are more likely to want to move abroad.
Additionally, if you are qualified or have experience, you won't have much trouble finding a job in Paris without French - all the big banks for example, French or otherwise, work almost entirely in English. My understanding is that Germany is also pretty open to English speakers. I can imagine places like Italy or Portugal being more difficult.
How many of the 38% have the foreign language as a second language (as opposed to a first and/or family language)?
30-odd years ago I was able to get jobs in the university vacations as a travel rep in Austria even though I was underage by their criteria. This happened because I had A Level German and spoke it pretty well, and they absolutely could not find English speakers of German. The firm - which was British - instead hired German speakers who could get by in English, plus the odd Iron Curtain type. If they'd hired only Britons over 21 who spoke German they'd have had no reps at all.
That has got worse, not better. I have to laugh at the idea of someone who's prepared to work overseas as long as the locals all speak English to them.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scaremongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
She is actually putting the Union at risk. SNP will surge again thanks to this deal, all for her short term interests.
TSE is right she is a disgrace. She must be forced out.
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
Luckily, under FPTP it's extremely unlikely that an extremist party gets to hold the balance of power.
Such as the DUP?
Gordon Brown wanted them onside.
I have no idea how long the government will last but the chances of a full five years has become more likely
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
Where did you bet and at what odds? The odds I looked on betfair weren't tempting - market lacks liquidity still.
I took some of the illiquid money at better than evens that was there.
Well done! It's like 1.6 now which isn't tempting...
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scaremongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
She is actually putting the Union at risk. SNP will surge again thanks to this deal, all for her short term interests.
TSE is right she is a disgrace. She must be forced out.
Any PM handed the result just given by the electorate would have done the same thing.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scaremongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
SNP will surge again thanks to this deal
I'm not sure 'talking about anything but their record' is working for the SNP government any more.
Theresa May called a totally unnecessary election. The resulting mess belongs to her and the party she leads.
From the point of view of the Conservative Party, I think it's entirely her mess. From the point of view of the country as a whole, voters voted for this mess. I take the old-fashioned view that grown-ups are responsible for the consequences of their actions, and that includes in their voting.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
There we go then. That is clear. So any deal with any party (including BNP or Sinn Fein) is fair game. So now we know.
You're not really getting this 'democracy' thing are you?
Theresa May called a totally unnecessary election. The resulting mess belongs to her and the party she leads.
From the point of view of the Conservative Party, I think it's entirely her mess. From the point of view of the country as a whole, voters voted for this mess. I take the old-fashioned view that grown-ups are responsible for the consequences of their actions, and that includes in their voting.
There is no grown-up human being called "the electorate".
Theresa May called a totally unnecessary election. The resulting mess belongs to her and the party she leads.
From the point of view of the Conservative Party, I think it's entirely her mess. From the point of view of the country as a whole, voters voted for this mess. I take the old-fashioned view that grown-ups are responsible for the consequences of their actions, and that includes in their voting.
That's odd, I don't remember my ballot paper having a "hung parliament" option
Has the idea of a legal challenge to a Tory-DUP deal, for supposedly breaching the Good Friday agreement, been dropped?
No, but it seems very speculative.
I don't see how any Court can exercise jurisdiction over Parliamentary proceedings.
No court can tell MPs how to vote. I think the idea was that the government shouldn't make one-sided offers to the DUP. It would be nice if journalists could ask whether the government responded to the letter before action they received from solicitors Edwin Coe on behalf of the NI Green councillor.
In many ways it was an election which no party won. Whilst the Tories ended up comfortably as the largest party , they have lost their majority and for that reason are perceived by the public as 'losers' regardless of the numbers. Labour lost the election but easily won the expectations game.
There is no grown-up human being called "the electorate".
True, but there were 12,877,869 grown-up human beings who voted for a party led by Corbyn and McDonnell. Fortunately we are all shielded, for the moment at least, from the full consequences of those 12,877,869 decisions; so far we've got off lightly with a little bit of pork-barrelling on the side, but the most dangerous potential consequence in the short-term is that the government will be too weak to negotiate a decent Brexit deal. We'll have to see how it turns out.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scaremongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
She is actually putting the Union at risk. SNP will surge again thanks to this deal, all for her short term interests.
TSE is right she is a disgrace. She must be forced out.
Any PM handed the result just given by the electorate would have done the same thing.
True, but she didn't need to have called the election.
Happy to see this deal done, hopefully it will provide a bit more stability and prevent a Marxist government at least for a few years. I don't agree with the DUP on a lot of stances but I never bought into some of the scaremongering in the media about things like Gay marriage being under threat etc.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
She is actually putting the Union at risk. SNP will surge again thanks to this deal, all for her short term interests.
TSE is right she is a disgrace. She must be forced out.
Any PM handed the result just given by the electorate would have done the same thing.
True, but she didn't need to have called the election.
No, indeed. History will not be kind on that blunder.
The voters certainly did not ask for the Tories to shack up with a bunch of reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots. And I have said time and again, you have a majority in GB WITHOUT these twats. Digging your own grave.
But, it is the hand the voters have dealt.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No it is not. You have a majority in GB without this. As a hypothetical, would you have shacked up with the BNP if they had won 10 seats?
If, hypothetically speaking, we lived in a country where the BNP won 10 seats, and members of the BNP were Privy Councillors, and Peers, then plainly the BNP would be pretty mainstream politically, and one would not rule out a deal with them.
There we go then. That is clear. So any deal with any party (including BNP or Sinn Fein) is fair game. So now we know.
You're not really getting this 'democracy' thing are you?
There is no grown-up human being called "the electorate".
True, but there were 12,877,869 grown-up human beings who voted for a party led by Corbyn and McDonnell. Fortunately we are all shielded, for the moment at least, from the full consequences of those 12,877,869 decisions; so far we've got off lightly with a little bit of pork-barrelling on the side, but the most dangerous potential consequence in the short-term is that the government will be too weak to negotiate a decent Brexit deal. We'll have to see how it turns out.
Yep - the government is now in a weaker position than it was before May called the totally unnecessary election.
I agree that each voter is responsible for his or her vote.
A lot of the money seems to be frontloaded - over the next 2 years.
2019 election?
"The agreement will remain in place for the length of the parliament......"
And aren't you just so excited about it?
This disgusting bunch will retoxify what's left of the addled Tory 'brand' and you will reap what you sow. @TSE is absolutely right.
Still sore that you 'won'?
I would expect a more nuanced point of view from you.
You are not exactly strong on nuance yourself:
May + DUP = Evil Brown + DUP = 'Nothing to see here'
I have said several times that if Brown (or anyone) tried anything similar they would deserve censure. Yet you seem perfectly willing to justify it. Telling.
Theresa May called a totally unnecessary election. The resulting mess belongs to her and the party she leads.
From the point of view of the Conservative Party, I think it's entirely her mess. From the point of view of the country as a whole, voters voted for this mess. I take the old-fashioned view that grown-ups are responsible for the consequences of their actions, and that includes in their voting.
Let's be positive: if this works we have a Government that lasts till GE2022 post Brexit and the transition period, and Scottish independence has been killed off, for now. Meanwhile HMG can credibly claim to have a stake in all parts of the UK.
Meanwhile, perhaps this very heavy warning shot across the bows might wake the Tories up to the threat of socialism before it's too late.
Imagine if May had clung on until GE2020 (old style) and then Corbyn/McDonnell had pulled their cunning stunts?
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https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/879288633894875137
Lets see whats in the EU Migrants paper today.....
As for 'No Popery', we'd better disenfranchise Lewes whilst we're about it:
http://www.lewesbonfirecelebrations.com/article/history-of-lewes-no-popery-banner/
2019 election?
All sums to a round £1 Billion
Time for Ruth to deliver & MSM to hold her to account.
Now we can focus on Brexit.
Still miffed Force India screwed themselves. I had a few pounds on Perez at 201 to win. And he could've.
*sighs*
I shouldn't complain. I'm Frank Spencering my way to profit by a subtle combination of cunningly putting on the wrong stakes for failing bets and brilliantly hedging a bet that then gets voided, only for the hedge to unexpectedly win.
As for whether a formal deal was needed or not, the problem of not having a deal would be that the government would be forever at risk of vote-by-vote blackmail by the 'reactionary homophobic sectarian religious zealots'. It's not obvious to me that it's a bad idea to formalise the agreement, especialy given the Article 50 ticking clock, although I can see arguments on both sides. The actual agreement looks pretty reasonable.
This disgusting bunch will retoxify what's left of the addled Tory 'brand' and you will reap what you sow. @TSE is absolutely right.
In the same way, if the result in 2015 had been Conservative 318, UKIP 10, the Conservatives would have struck a supply and confidence deal with the latter, despite the left shrieking about it.
No, that's 'This Session of Parliament'.
'This Parliament' runs until the next GE - which could be in 6 months (Jezza) or 5 years (Tories with IQs above room temperature)
Also James Brokenshire was kept out of the discussions
How far the mighty have fallen.
The GOP want to pass this because it's a massive tax cut, predominantly for the well-off.
Motes and beams.
The odds I looked on betfair weren't tempting - market lacks liquidity still.
I expect the Nats will react with their customary measured reasonableness....
So why were people tweeting Dan Hannan didn't understand the U.K governments position in relation to N.Ireland?
I'm of the opinion putting the ball so firmly in SF's court is a bad thing. They can hurt both UK and NI with one wave of a wand.
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/879294469299998720
Given that you are an Oxbridge graduate in your sixties I would expect a more nuanced point of view from you. But you are behaving like a fangirl, not a thinker.
That has got worse, not better. I have to laugh at the idea of someone who's prepared to work overseas as long as the locals all speak English to them.
TSE is right she is a disgrace. She must be forced out.
I have no idea how long the government will last but the chances of a full five years has become more likely
May + DUP = Evil
Brown + DUP = 'Nothing to see here'
It's like 1.6 now which isn't tempting...
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/879294469299998720
I don't see how any Court can exercise jurisdiction over Parliamentary proceedings.
Just pick the magic money tree
Proffer its fruit; procure collusion
Pretend its not all an illusion
Hmm. No change to Winter Fuel Payments, Triple-Lock Pensions & LongTerm care. With this manifesto, we could have had a stonking majority!
I agree that each voter is responsible for his or her vote.
https://uk.pinterest.com/explore/money-tree-plant-care/
Meanwhile, perhaps this very heavy warning shot across the bows might wake the Tories up to the threat of socialism before it's too late.
Imagine if May had clung on until GE2020 (old style) and then Corbyn/McDonnell had pulled their cunning stunts?