I find it very odd when I hear it said that the yoof are angry about Brexit because it means they can't work abroad.
To work abroad, you usually have to be competent in the local language. The only exception is Holland where literally everyone including the homeless speaks English.
What would a millennial do in Germany or Paris?
At a guess, and this is just a guess, I'd say they would learn German or French. Millennials are capable of learning other languages.
Today would be a good day for for JC to say that not only is he going to scrap Trident, but also that he will scrap (or preferably sell off)- the useless aircaft carriers that dont have any aircraft. And he should do it by saying that all of the money saved would be assigned to remaining armed forces who will be leaner and meaner - And also a good time to point out that UK Navy has more Admirals than ships.....
Love the photo. 2 wealthy, elderly white males soaking up the applause from thousands of rich kids at an expensive and trendy social event. Yah.
Quite.
But why aren't the thousands of rich kids (and rich middle-aged people -- this is Glastonbury after all) voting Tory? That's the question.
Broadly speaking the youth are anti Brexit, open minded, disinterested in the overall structure of the economy, unphased by rural and elderly matters, radical, dreamers and anti establishment. I.e. the Tories offer them nothing.
Edit - and the tranche of youth that the blues might appeal to are still not voting.
Plus, they don't feel rich.
The university educated offspring of the middle classes see their own lives as being far inferior to that of their parents, who gamed the system and did well. That's what they see as unfair.
It's unfair they can't buy a house in their twenties. It's unfair there aren't any jobs for life. Etc, etc.
The thousands of twenty-and-thirty-somethings you see screaming for Jezza at Glastonbury may well be well educated, middle class by taste and birth, but that comes with certain expectations, e.g. home ownership.
The fact they aren't rich enough to do so means they don't feel rich. ABC1/D2E classifications are meaningless now. Young-ish ABC1s still feel very poor.
Hence why Jezza is a very middle class revolt.
They feel poor but go abroad 6 times a year.
I have family members like this. They work hard and do spend their money on holidays (and love Jezza (in the mid twentys),like a week in Tunisia or whatver but there's no point in saving for a home they will never afford anyway.
It really is a middle-class revolt.
Wait until inflation and interest rates start ramping up under labour, then we'll really see a revolt.
I would like us to not reach that point. But the way the Conservatives are acting they might as well hand the keys over to Abbott.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
It's entirely true when you look at it from their perspective.
Each month when your pay packet comes in, you see a separate deduction for student loans. On 36k, that is currently £137 a month on plan 1, £113 on plan 2.
You can argue all you like about tax rates and personal allowances being different back in 1957, 1987, or 1887, but to today's twenty-something, who has no experience of anything but the present day, all they see is a big, fat deduction coming out of their pay packet that could be spent on something else - like a deposit for a house.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
It's the same principle behind itemising every amount of expenditure on your tax bill. If people saw, for example, £20 a month on Trident on every monthly payslip, there would probably be a lot more people joining CND.
Today would be a good day for for JC to say that not only is he going to scrap Trident, but also that he will scrap (or preferably sell off)- the useless aircaft carriers that dont have any aircraft. And he should do it by saying that all of the money saved would be assigned to remaining armed forces who will be leaner and meaner - And also a good time to point out that UK Navy has more Admirals than ships.....
Love the photo. 2 wealthy, elderly white males soaking up the applause from thousands of rich kids at an expensive and trendy social event. Yah.
Quite.
But why aren't the thousands of rich kids (and rich middle-aged people -- this is Glastonbury after all) voting Tory? That's the question.
Indeed that is the question. And one I have yet to hear an answer from pb tories on how we get them to switch. All I have heard from them is blaming the voters.
I don't care for the use of the word "murder" by John McDonnell. The public aren't, however, going to accept that like Little Dorrit that the Grenfell disaster was Nobody's Fault.
I think the Government need to think carefully about who will resign. As per my comments below as long as materials supplied match the design information, then it would seem strange that architects and building surveyors across the country have specified cladding that doesn't meet the relevant regulations. More likely poorly drafted British standard, or poorly conceived testing parameters, or grey areas in the regulations. When the Ronan Point disaster happened it led to huge changes in the building regulations.
Plenty of vitriolic reaction to McDonnell's comments from the usual suspects. I do agree "murder" is a pretty strong term but once you get past the headline-grabbing words and consider what McDonnell has said, it's a different story.
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McDonnell has part of a point - public services have a role in shaping behaviours and customer through education, inspection and prevention and simply harping on about the rights of the individual and self-responsibility misses the point.
Housing is a huge elephant in the political room - as someone living in the housing nightmare that is London, all I can say is that all parties need to acknowledge their responsibility for the mess it has become. No side is blameless - the question is more about how people want to live and it goes beyond four walls and a roof. Planning, in all its forms, may be derided by some but simply building houses and flats without supporting infrastructure doesn't help and the latter takes more time.
I consider housing more important and more complex than Brexit and it's little wonder politicians struggle with it. Everyone sees the need for more affordable housing but no one wants it where they are and when property is many people's principal (and often only) capital asset you can understand why there is so much pressure to preserve its value. There is a clear concern that increasing supply and reducing demand will lead to a fall in prices and that's the last thing millions of people want or need.
There is one key problem in housing - building them where they are needed. The Government needs a strategy for moving functions and industries out of London where possible. The boldest move would be to move central government away from London. This could be done and is why they don't want to do it for the Parliament refurbishment.
Throw money at spending on a national High Speed Broadband programme. And double deck trains on commuter lines.
I find it very odd when I hear it said that the yoof are angry about Brexit because it means they can't work abroad.
To work abroad, you usually have to be competent in the local language. The only exception is Holland where literally everyone including the homeless speaks English.
What would a millennial do in Germany or Paris?
At a guess, and this is just a guess, I'd say they would learn German or French. Millennials are capable of learning other languages.
I would be interested in the breakdown of nationalities of Eurostar staff. In the several times recently I have travelled with them, it appears there are only non-Brits working and making the announcements. It did strike me to wonder how fluent a Brit would be at that age to make such technical announcements.
It was very generous of the youngsters who voted in such high numbers to make it possible and necessary to use their money for this noble purpose, and a particularly nice touch that at the same time they protected the oldies.
I don't care for the use of the word "murder" by John McDonnell. The public aren't, however, going to accept that like Little Dorrit that the Grenfell disaster was Nobody's Fault.
When the Ronan Point disaster happened it led to huge changes in the building regulations.
Yeah but it's SO dull talking about BORING building regs. Much more FUN to blame the evil Tories Murdering poor people.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
Perhaps they should be discouraged from taking shit degrees from opportunist and in many cases piss poor universities, in the first place?
If there's anger, a bit more needs to be diverted towards the educational establishments that aren't providing them with the quality of teaching that's fully deserved for their money. That's the scandal.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
It's entirely true when you look at it from their perspective.
Each month when your pay packet comes in, you see a separate deduction for student loans. On 36k, that is currently £137 a month on plan 1, £113 on plan 2.
You can argue all you like about tax rates and personal allowances being different back in 1957, 1987, or 1887, but to today's twenty-something, who has no experience of anything but the present day, all they see is a big, fat deduction coming out of their pay packet that could be spent on something else - like a deposit for a house.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
It's the same principle behind itemising every amount of expenditure on your tax bill. If people saw, for example, £20 a month on Trident on every monthly payslip, there would probably be a lot more people joining CND.
Something's either true or it's not. Perspective doesn't make an untruth true.
When I graduated I lost 27% of my salary to tax. Anyone on the same money would have lost the same.
Someone on the equivalent today would lose 23% to tax. Without a degree they would lose less.
It was very generous of the youngsters who voted in such high numbers to make it possible and necessary to use their money for this noble purpose, and a particularly nice touch that at the same time they protected the oldies.
I don't think he did say they had been "neglected". He said they were "murdered by political decisions that were taken over recent decades". He is saying that because of those politicial decisions, the refurbishment proved fatal.
Of course, it's stupid to use the word "murdered". But for the rest of it, something has clearly gone very badly wrong indeed. Why would anyone assume political decisions weren't involved?
What were these political decisions, exactly? Tony Blair deciding to use inflammable cladding? Gordon Brown rubbing his hands in glee at the tuppence-hapenny savings that could be made by using the cheaper cladding, and hoping to blame dozens of deaths on a Tory council? Cameron deciding that deaths in social housing were OK?
McDonnell is either certifiably insane, or, more likely, a very nasty and cynical politician whose moral compass is completely blown to smithereens.
But the crucial question is whether his diagnosis is right. Maybe it's too early to say. But what mystifies me is that anyone would assume that political decisions _didn't_ play a part in this astonishing mess.
It also surprises me that anyone should interpret an attack on political decisions made over "decades" as a personal attack on Theresa May, who has been prime minister only since last year. Or that McDonnell wouldn't necessarily be including people like Tony Blair.
Not sure if I'll keep notes on a regular basis (generally it really isn't necessary) but it's a lucky coincidence I decided to go down that route for a race that turned out to be full of incident.
Every chance. You need to establish a political party that wants to cede from the UK, attract millions of votes, and then allow yourself to be bribed to support whichever government wants your support.
Or alternatively, with those millions of votes, cede from the UK.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
Perhaps they should be discouraged from taking shit degrees from opportunist and in many cases piss poor universities, in the first place?
how out of touch can you get.
Many have first class degrees from the top universities in STEM fields and still can't get decent jobs. The reasons are many.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
It's entirely true when you look at it from their perspective.
Each month when your pay packet comes in, you see a separate deduction for student loans. On 36k, that is currently £137 a month on plan 1, £113 on plan 2.
You can argue all you like about tax rates and personal allowances being different back in 1957, 1987, or 1887, but to today's twenty-something, who has no experience of anything but the present day, all they see is a big, fat deduction coming out of their pay packet that could be spent on something else - like a deposit for a house.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
It's the same principle behind itemising every amount of expenditure on your tax bill. If people saw, for example, £20 a month on Trident on every monthly payslip, there would probably be a lot more people joining CND.
Something's either true or it's not. Perspective doesn't make an untruth true.
When I graduated I lost 27% of my salary to tax. Anyone on the same money would have lost the same.
Someone on the equivalent today would lose 23% to tax. Without a degree they would lose less.
23% is less than 27%.
House prices were also considerably less than they were now, both in absolute terms and in salary-to-price ratios.
Saying, "ah yes, but the tax code is different now so you pay a bit less tax which will really help you out in saving for a deposit while you cram yourselves into tiny house-shares and work unstable jobs you could lose tomorrow" is not going to help the Tories win any votes.
"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."
As non-sequiturs go, that's a humdinger. It's verging on insane. Spending millions on refurbishing social housing is viewing housing only for financial speculation?
British housing policy has been certifiably bonkers since at least Thatcher. Maybe putting an insane person in charge of it is the best way to make it work? Think of it like putting Boris+DD+Fox in charge of Brexit.
Breaking: DUP secure £1bn in funding to cure the gays.
Ignoring the second part of that comment.
Sorry if England is not getting it's fair share that is unacceptable. I will not be voting Conservative at the next election because they are not conservative in the least!
If May had any sense, in the next budget they would announce say £200 million more for NHS by 2022 or so. Given inflation, in real terms it wouldn't be a mega amount more cash, but it would enable Boris and co to bury the bus stuff.
Also, it would probably be the right thing to do given the strain on the NHS.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
Perhaps they should be discouraged from taking shit degrees from opportunist and in many cases piss poor universities, in the first place?
how out of touch can you get.
Many have first class degrees from the top universities in STEM fields and still can't get decent jobs. The reasons are many.
Look at how poorly UK universities perform in the world rankings. Many kids are being sold utter dogs of degrees. No wonder they're hacked off.
The FB seem confident it wasn't that, though I think that's because they were already there when the place went up.
Thanks I was amazed a fridge freezer could do such damage.When you think they are left on day and night.
The thing is the fire was extingushed and the fire fighters were packing up to leave when the cladding started to go on fire. Amazingly they were there but could not contain it.
On the issue of electrical and gas appliances in rental property I expect legislation will follow that annual safety checks, in line with the present legal requirement for annual certification of gas boilers, will be compulsory
But the crucial question is whether his diagnosis is right. Maybe it's too early to say. But what mystifies me is that anyone would assume that political decisions _didn't_ play a part in this astonishing mess.
Err, if someone is going to allege that 'political decisions' were tantamount to murder, don't you think that the onus is on the person making that inflammatory and potentially libellous allegation to explain the causal link* between a specific political decision and the deaths? Otherwise (assuming he is sane) it is just rabble-rousing of the most despicable variety - Ms Apocalypse complained upthread that the comparisons with Hitler and Stalin were ridiculous, but this line of McDonnell's is straight out of the playbook.
* Preferably having first waited for the facts to be ascertained, although I appreciate that that is unfashionable.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
We actually are screwd if May gives in this easily to the DUP when she didn't need to then what is she going to do with Brexit?! ffs sake's someone put her out of her misery, she is ruining this country now.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
Perhaps they should be discouraged from taking shit degrees from opportunist and in many cases piss poor universities, in the first place?
how out of touch can you get.
Many have first class degrees from the top universities in STEM fields and still can't get decent jobs. The reasons are many.
Look at how poorly UK universities perform in the world rankings. Many kids are being sold utter dogs of degrees. No wonder they're hacked off.
Is this sarcastic? We have world class universities - they are definitely an area where Britain punches above its weight.
In the top 10 of QS World Rankings, are Cambridge, Oxford, UCL and Imperial College London.
If May had any sense, in the next budget they would announce say £200 million more for NHS by 2022 or so. Given inflation, in real terms it wouldn't be a mega amount more cash, but it would enable Boris and co to bury the bus stuff.
Also, it would probably be the right thing to do given the strain on the NHS.
And then education.
Cons are in danger of lapsing back still further into nastiness. They need to spend money on health and education, and then try some infrastructure spending.
A bit too Jonathan Pie-ish nicking Lab's manifesto? Who cares. It needs to be done and right-thinking people (both small and capital "r") realise this.
Many more headlines of the NHS struggling or teachers being sacked for lack of money (by all means conduct reviews into it all) and the Cons will be out of power for another 13 years when the GE comes.
"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."
As non-sequiturs go, that's a humdinger. It's verging on insane. Spending millions on refurbishing social housing is viewing housing only for financial speculation?
British housing policy has been certifiably bonkers since at least Thatcher. Maybe putting an insane person in charge of it is the best way to make it work? Think of it like putting Boris+DD+Fox in charge of Brexit.
We had an increase in population of 500,000 last year. There's no way that it won't be bonkers with those numbers.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
Perhaps they should be discouraged from taking shit degrees from opportunist and in many cases piss poor universities, in the first place?
how out of touch can you get.
Many have first class degrees from the top universities in STEM fields and still can't get decent jobs. The reasons are many.
Look at how poorly UK universities perform in the world rankings. Many kids are being sold utter dogs of degrees. No wonder they're hacked off.
I am talking about degrees from UCL and KIngs, they are top Universities, I know many people from those Uni's with STEM degrees who can't get decent jobs.
Yes I agree Uni should not have beeen expanded to the extent they have but even youngsters (well now in their late 20's) can't get full time jobs on avreage wages, so you know don't blame them.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
LOL, I feel no sympathy for those who take Trump at face value.
You have to wonder why the GOP actually want to pass this bill though. This is much worse than Obamacare and will have a hugely negative impact on the lives of millions, including their own voters.
Have to say, I'm glad I don't live in America. Wouldn't like to be in a country where they are the alternative.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
No! No! Lets rush to judgement in absence of facts.....
I wonder if any money will be going to border infrastructure......
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
LOL, I feel no sympathy for those who take Trump at face value.
You have to wonder why the GOP actually want to pass this bill though. This is much worse than Obamacare and will have a hugely negative impact on the lives of millions, including their own voters.
Have to say, I'm glad I don't live in America. Wouldn't like to be in a country where they are the alternative.
If they pass this as it sounds then goodbye to the 2018 elections for GOP.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
I find it very odd when I hear it said that the yoof are angry about Brexit because it means they can't work abroad.
To work abroad, you usually have to be competent in the local language. The only exception is Holland where literally everyone including the homeless speaks English.
What would a millennial do in Germany or Paris?
At a guess, and this is just a guess, I'd say they would learn German or French. Millennials are capable of learning other languages.
They do. According to that, 38% of Britons speak a foreign language. It's less than other countries sure, but still a sizeable amount. Of the 62% there is likely to be a higher amount of people who don't have any interest in moving abroad at least in part because of language issues, so the 38% of people that do speak another language are more likely to want to move abroad.
Additionally, if you are qualified or have experience, you won't have much trouble finding a job in Paris without French - all the big banks for example, French or otherwise, work almost entirely in English. My understanding is that Germany is also pretty open to English speakers. I can imagine places like Italy or Portugal being more difficult.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
Given McDonnell's comments about UK democracy being responsible for Grenfell tower (and also his pledge to flood the Lords with 1000 peers). I don't think it is ridiculous to think that he has in mind something a bit beyond implementing the measures in the Labour manifesto. He doesn't accept that he was a part of a "Labour" govt for 13 of the last 30 years, and wants to permanently alter the political situation in the country.
The only way that can happen is through some sort of revolution.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
What is happening in America is insane.
At least the ones most effected by this bill (white working class rural voters) will be Trump voters. They voted for it they need to take responsibility for their vote.
So now it's all over to SF. They can embarrass both DUP and the UK Government by failing to appoint a DFM. But in doing so they will directly cost many of their voters money.
The SoS has to tell the DUP and SF that all MLAs and staff are put on notice on Thursday if there's no deal.
He has to tell them that today.
Then it's in both parties' self interest to get Stormont back up and running.
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
LOL, I feel no sympathy for those who take Trump at face value.
You have to wonder why the GOP actually want to pass this bill though. This is much worse than Obamacare and will have a hugely negative impact on the lives of millions, including their own voters.
Have to say, I'm glad I don't live in America. Wouldn't like to be in a country where they are the alternative.
If they pass this as it sounds then goodbye to the 2018 elections for GOP.
Why do they want to commit electoral suicide? Passing such unpopular legislation means that by the time the Dems win the Presidency again there is likely to be a demand to get rid of 'Trumpcare.'
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Keeping Corbyn and McDonnell away from power is putting the interests of the country first. Let the grown ups do the politics and the business of government.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
£1 Bn.
A bit cheaper than Labour's £500bn borrowing, £48bn extra tax take per year & the unknown magic money tree costs
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
I know I shouldn't laugh, but those clips of Trump supporters thinking Obamacare and The Affordable Care Act were two different things.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
It means shacking up with the DUP just before peak marching season. I hope you like "No Popery" banners.
"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."
As non-sequiturs go, that's a humdinger. It's verging on insane. Spending millions on refurbishing social housing is viewing housing only for financial speculation?
McDonnell's use of violent language here and previously is very revealing. He is a deeply unpleasant man. This whole murder meme is also disgraceful. Kensington & Chelsea can be criticised for how it is has responded to the Grenfell tragedy, but it is clear that cladding is an issue across the country in multiple types of building. If Grenfell was murder, then all these are attempted murder. The Labour left is over-reaching and revealing its true colours. It will end up costing the party at the polls. - unless the Tories do something stupid like putting Boris or Davis in charge.
So now it's all over to SF. They can embarrass both DUP and the UK Government by failing to appoint a DFM. But in doing so they will directly cost many of their voters money.
The SoS has to tell the DUP and SF that all MLAs and staff are put on notice on Thursday if there's no deal.
He has to tell them that today.
Then it's in both parties' self interest to get Stormont back up and running.
I still rate the chance as no better than 50/50.
Thanks for that Lucian.
To be honest, British politics despite its current state of flux seems pretty sensible compared to the NI politics....
I find it very odd when I hear it said that the yoof are angry about Brexit because it means they can't work abroad.
To work abroad, you usually have to be competent in the local language. The only exception is Holland where literally everyone including the homeless speaks English.
What would a millennial do in Germany or Paris?
At a guess, and this is just a guess, I'd say they would learn German or French. Millennials are capable of learning other languages.
They do. According to that, 38% of Britons speak a foreign language. It's less than other countries sure, but still a sizeable amount. Of the 62% there is likely to be a higher amount of people who don't have any interest in moving abroad at least in part because of language issues, so the 38% of people that do speak another language are more likely to want to move abroad.
Additionally, if you are qualified or have experience, you won't have much trouble finding a job in Paris without French - all the big banks for example, French or otherwise, work almost entirely in English. My understanding is that Germany is also pretty open to English speakers. I can imagine places like Italy or Portugal being more difficult.
How many of the 38% have the foreign language as a second language (as opposed to a first and/or family language)?
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
I know I shouldn't laugh, but those clips of Trump supporters thinking Obamacare and The Affordable Care Act were two different things.
I'd join the schadenfreudery too but I've read the stories of too many people on other forums with chronic medical conditions who are about to be utterly destroyed by this bill to laugh.
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
It means shacking up with the DUP just before peak marching season. I hope you like "No Popery" banners.
May has just killed Scot Tories recovery stone dead if Scotland doesn't get it's share of money, hasn't she?
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
I know I shouldn't laugh, but those clips of Trump supporters thinking Obamacare and The Affordable Care Act were two different things.
Yes, I remember reading about that.
Still can't get over them wanting to take away millions of people's health insurance.
Ironically these are the same people who call themselves 'pro-life'....
That cash better not be spent until Stormont is sorted.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
As I noted on June 11th, Mrs May is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the Tory Party and the country.
She is a disgrace.
Let's wait and see what the deal actually comprises.
It means shacking up with the DUP just before peak marching season. I hope you like "No Popery" banners.
May has just killed Scot Tories recovery stone dead if Scotland doesn't get it's share of money, hasn't she?
I think we'll be seeing some SCon media hibernation for a while given the way they all went to ground when the DUP deal was first mooted.
The FB seem confident it wasn't that, though I think that's because they were already there when the place went up.
Thanks I was amazed a fridge freezer could do such damage.When you think they are left on day and night.
The thing is the fire was extingushed and the fire fighters were packing up to leave when the cladding started to go on fire. Amazingly they were there but could not contain it.
On the issue of electrical and gas appliances in rental property I expect legislation will follow that annual safety checks, in line with the present legal requirement for annual certification of gas boilers, will be compulsory
Thanks Big G did not realise that even more amazing then that FB there and as you say could not contain it.I presume warm night window open.The cladding in those circumstances seems deplorable.Who made the stuff and who passed it fit for use in such circumstances seems to be a major question.
"The decision not to build homes and to view housing as only for financial speculation rather than for meeting a basic human need made by politicians over decades murdered those families."
As non-sequiturs go, that's a humdinger. It's verging on insane. Spending millions on refurbishing social housing is viewing housing only for financial speculation?
McDonnell's use of violent language here and previously is very revealing. He is a deeply unpleasant man. This whole murder meme is also disgraceful. Kensington & Chelsea can be criticised for how it is has responded to the Grenfell tragedy, but it is clear that cladding is an issue across the country in multiple types of building. If Grenfell was murder, then all these are attempted murder. The Labour left is over-reaching and revealing its true colours. It will end up costing the party at the polls. - unless the Tories do something stupid like putting Boris or Davis in charge.
Or...the country is in the mood for this kind of thing.
Here are we pondering and considering and supposing. Meanwhile, the mood hasn't changed all that much from Brexit, Trump, and Jezza's renaissance. 'Cept of course it's a lot hotter right now.
Does any picture show how denuded of talent the Government is. This is a faceoff between a party of hundreds of MPs v one with ten. You'd back the team on the right to win an argument every day of every week over the one on the left.
Oh, and the real kicker is the repayment on the university fees, which your parents didn't pay
Untrue. When you correct for lower personal allowances and higher tax rates, your parents paid more, and they did so whether or not they had a degree.
It's entirely true when you look at it from their perspective.
Each month when your pay packet comes in, you see a separate deduction for student loans. On 36k, that is currently £137 a month on plan 1, £113 on plan 2.
You can argue all you like about tax rates and personal allowances being different back in 1957, 1987, or 1887, but to today's twenty-something, who has no experience of anything but the present day, all they see is a big, fat deduction coming out of their pay packet that could be spent on something else - like a deposit for a house.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
It's the same principle behind itemising every amount of expenditure on your tax bill. If people saw, for example, £20 a month on Trident on every monthly payslip, there would probably be a lot more people joining CND.
Something's either true or it's not. Perspective doesn't make an untruth true.
When I graduated I lost 27% of my salary to tax. Anyone on the same money would have lost the same.
Someone on the equivalent today would lose 23% to tax. Without a degree they would lose less.
23% is less than 27%.
House prices were also considerably less than they were now, both in absolute terms and in salary-to-price ratios.
Saying, "ah yes, but the tax code is different now so you pay a bit less tax which will really help you out in saving for a deposit while you cram yourselves into tiny house-shares and work unstable jobs you could lose tomorrow" is not going to help the Tories win any votes.
What do they think the state should do to lower house prices, and what should it do for people who suffer if they do?
Meanwhile over in America - the Republicans may be close to the Senate passing a healthcare bill. If it's anything like previous versions - over 20 million people will lose health insurance.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
It's quite astounding. I have put some money on the Dems for the mid-terms after initially thinking they had no chance of taking the house.
I know I shouldn't laugh, but those clips of Trump supporters thinking Obamacare and The Affordable Care Act were two different things.
I'd join the schadenfreudery too but I've read the stories of too many people on other forums with chronic medical conditions who are about to be utterly destroyed by this bill to laugh.
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http://esol.britishcouncil.org/content/learners/skills/reading/british-worst-learning-languages
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/26/europeans-multiple-languages-uk-ireland
Each month when your pay packet comes in, you see a separate deduction for student loans. On 36k, that is currently £137 a month on plan 1, £113 on plan 2.
You can argue all you like about tax rates and personal allowances being different back in 1957, 1987, or 1887, but to today's twenty-something, who has no experience of anything but the present day, all they see is a big, fat deduction coming out of their pay packet that could be spent on something else - like a deposit for a house.
They know that tuition fees are a recent thing and that their parents didn't pay them. Therefore they quite rightly get annoyed at that £137 a month deduction for what for most of them ends up turning out to be a fairly worthless bit of paper.
It's the same principle behind itemising every amount of expenditure on your tax bill. If people saw, for example, £20 a month on Trident on every monthly payslip, there would probably be a lot more people joining CND.
https://twitter.com/KenReid_utv/status/879282786577899521
If there's anger, a bit more needs to be diverted towards the educational establishments that aren't providing them with the quality of teaching that's fully deserved for their money. That's the scandal.
Something's either true or it's not. Perspective doesn't make an untruth true.
When I graduated I lost 27% of my salary to tax. Anyone on the same money would have lost the same.
Someone on the equivalent today would lose 23% to tax. Without a degree they would lose less.
23% is less than 27%.
But the crucial question is whether his diagnosis is right. Maybe it's too early to say. But what mystifies me is that anyone would assume that political decisions _didn't_ play a part in this astonishing mess.
It also surprises me that anyone should interpret an attack on political decisions made over "decades" as a personal attack on Theresa May, who has been prime minister only since last year. Or that McDonnell wouldn't necessarily be including people like Tony Blair.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/azerbaijan-post-race-analysis-2017.html
Not sure if I'll keep notes on a regular basis (generally it really isn't necessary) but it's a lucky coincidence I decided to go down that route for a race that turned out to be full of incident.
Or alternatively, with those millions of votes, cede from the UK.
I'm trying to think of a parallel for this in history and really struggling.
If you followed any of Sarah Kliffe's excellent interviews with Trump voters in Kentucky who are on Obamacare - they simply didn't believe he would do this.
If it goes through, and it still might not, what the hell is going to happen?
Many have first class degrees from the top universities in STEM fields and still can't get decent jobs. The reasons are many.
North East Derbyshire is a marginal now... ^_~
Saying, "ah yes, but the tax code is different now so you pay a bit less tax which will really help you out in saving for a deposit while you cram yourselves into tiny house-shares and work unstable jobs you could lose tomorrow" is not going to help the Tories win any votes.
Sorry if England is not getting it's fair share that is unacceptable. I will not be voting Conservative at the next election because they are not conservative in the least!
May can feck off!
Also, it would probably be the right thing to do given the strain on the NHS.
On the issue of electrical and gas appliances in rental property I expect legislation will follow that annual safety checks, in line with the present legal requirement for annual certification of gas boilers, will be compulsory
* Preferably having first waited for the facts to be ascertained, although I appreciate that that is unfashionable.
I also think this is bloody stupid politics by the Tories.
They could have secured DUP support without this big show of document signing which makes it look like a coalition. Now they get ZERO credit for U-turns on triple lock and any investment in public services.
Actually, scrap bloody stupid, it's insane.
They have made it look more like Theresa May is beholden to the DUP than is actually the case. I can't see how that plays well, electorally.
In the top 10 of QS World Rankings, are Cambridge, Oxford, UCL and Imperial College London.
Cons are in danger of lapsing back still further into nastiness. They need to spend money on health and education, and then try some infrastructure spending.
A bit too Jonathan Pie-ish nicking Lab's manifesto? Who cares. It needs to be done and right-thinking people (both small and capital "r") realise this.
Many more headlines of the NHS struggling or teachers being sacked for lack of money (by all means conduct reviews into it all) and the Cons will be out of power for another 13 years when the GE comes.
Regardless of Brexit.
She is a disgrace.
Yes I agree Uni should not have beeen expanded to the extent they have but even youngsters (well now in their late 20's) can't get full time jobs on avreage wages, so you know don't blame them.
You have to wonder why the GOP actually want to pass this bill though. This is much worse than Obamacare and will have a hugely negative impact on the lives of millions, including their own voters.
Have to say, I'm glad I don't live in America. Wouldn't like to be in a country where they are the alternative.
I wonder if any money will be going to border infrastructure......
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/879286623384596481
Additionally, if you are qualified or have experience, you won't have much trouble finding a job in Paris without French - all the big banks for example, French or otherwise, work almost entirely in English. My understanding is that Germany is also pretty open to English speakers. I can imagine places like Italy or Portugal being more difficult.
The only way that can happen is through some sort of revolution.
At least the ones most effected by this bill (white working class rural voters) will be Trump voters. They voted for it they need to take responsibility for their vote.
The SoS has to tell the DUP and SF that all MLAs and staff are put on notice on Thursday if there's no deal.
He has to tell them that today.
Then it's in both parties' self interest to get Stormont back up and running.
I still rate the chance as no better than 50/50.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/621794/Confidence_and_Supply_Agreement_between_the_Conservative_Party_and_the_DUP.pdf
I wonder if the jesters of the PLP are still slapping their hands together at the murder comments of their glorious Economy Czar.
To be honest, British politics despite its current state of flux seems pretty sensible compared to the NI politics....
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/docs26062017/UK+Financial+Support.pdf
How many of the 38% have the foreign language as a second language (as opposed to a first and/or family language)?
Still can't get over them wanting to take away millions of people's health insurance.
Ironically these are the same people who call themselves 'pro-life'....
Here are we pondering and considering and supposing. Meanwhile, the mood hasn't changed all that much from Brexit, Trump, and Jezza's renaissance. 'Cept of course it's a lot hotter right now.
Does any picture show how denuded of talent the Government is. This is a faceoff between a party of hundreds of MPs v one with ten. You'd back the team on the right to win an argument every day of every week over the one on the left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzMA1jrm00