A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
This is rubbish IMO. The EU referendum result did not "create" a deeply divided country, it was the consequence of it. Just as easy to make a case for Brown. Or Blair. Or, of course, Thatcher. The divide in the country is between the haves and the have nots. And it all comes down to the insoluble problem that is the property market.
May framed the last election as a battle between patriots and saboteurs
Theresa May has rejected the Daily Mail's framing of her call for an early election as a bid to "crush the saboteurs"...... Mrs May went on to condemn the Mail's coverage, saying it was "absolutely not" the description she would use for her critics.
Deniability is a wonderful thing. After the deed is done. She was repeatedly asked to condemn this appalling framing of the election at her final PMQs, and didn't.
No politician ever answers the 'have you stopped beating your wife' question......Media Training 101.......focus on what you want to say.....but the point is, she didn't say it, and condemned the terms.....
No, it was unattributable "supporters" who said it. Mrs May just said "strong and stable".
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
This is rubbish IMO. The EU referendum result did not "create" a deeply divided country, it was the consequence of it. Just as easy to make a case for Brown. Or Blair. Or, of course, Thatcher. The divide in the country is between the haves and the have nots. And it all comes down to the insoluble problem that is the property market.
May framed the last election as a battle between patriots and saboteurs
Theresa May has rejected the Daily Mail's framing of her call for an early election as a bid to "crush the saboteurs"...... Mrs May went on to condemn the Mail's coverage, saying it was "absolutely not" the description she would use for her critics.
With the LibDems on 6%, there's no pressure from their 12 MPs for an early election. At least not until the new leader has been elected and had a play with the train set...
It's an OK poll for the Tories IMO - the news has been entirely negative for them, and this shows they have a strong core vote. The plurality opposing May stepping down will hlep her too. Labour might have hoped for a bigger bounce but obviously it's good to be ahead of the Government this soon.
And it's good in general to see the voters not reacting strongly to disasters - as we saw with the London and Manchester attacks, most people don't instantly look for someone to blame, unlike our dear media.
And, TSE, I like not just pineapple but also anchovies on my pizzas. Lots of them. Food snobs, they're the worst
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
Labours election of Corbyn hasn't exactly helped matters either.
If it's ok for Italians to put potato on pizza (to be fair, it works surprisingly well), it's ok for me to put pineapple on pizza. I don't get the need to be purist about this.
Potato is fine on a pizza, wafer thin slices, delicious.
Pineapple is not fine, now matter how thinly sliced.
@DavidL No people haven't gone mad. Given how Labour did during the GE, how can anyone be shocked to see Labour polling above 40%? Labour supporters by and large are not taking what the right wing press say seriously anymore, and Corbyn comes across as fairly reasonable on TV and in the media generally especially to a voter who does not know about his past history and statements. Plus, the government is in chaos and many are discontented with the situation right now and Labour is a way for many to register that discontent.
The gutter press's influence is gone.
You make a good point. One of the things that appeals about Corbyn is that you know he'll never prostrate himself at the feet of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre nor to the likes of Donald Trump Bibi Netanyahu or Salman al Saud. That in itself will be massively liberating for this country and one which which most thinking people will welcome.
Sad to hear of the attack in Finsbury Park but fortunately it seems to have been contained before further loss of life beyond the man who died, though several still imjured
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
Labours election of Corbyn hasn't exactly helped matters either.
If course a Corbyn premiership would really screw the country over
It's an OK poll for the Tories IMO - the news has been entirely negative for them, and this shows they have a strong core vote. The plurality opposing May stepping down will hlep her too. Labour might have hoped for a bigger bounce but obviously it's good to be ahead of the Government this soon.
And it's good in general to see the voters not reacting strongly to disasters - as we saw with the London and Manchester attacks, most people don't instantly look for someone to blame, unlike our dear media.
And, TSE, I like not just pineapple but also anchovies on my pizzas. Lots of them. Food snobs, they're the worst
@DavidL No people haven't gone mad. Given how Labour did during the GE, how can anyone be shocked to see Labour polling above 40%? Labour supporters by and large are not taking what the right wing press say seriously anymore, and Corbyn comes across as fairly reasonable on TV and in the media generally especially to a voter who does not know about his past history and statements. Plus, the government is in chaos and many are discontented with the situation right now and Labour is a way for many to register that discontent.
The gutter press's influence is gone.
You make a good point. One of the things that appeals about Corbyn is that you know he'll never prostrate himself at the feet of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre nor to the likes of Donald Trump Bibi Netanyahu or Salman al Saud. That in itself will be massively liberating for this country and one which which most thinking people will welcome.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
You think leaving the EU is horrific. I think it's a good thing. A generation from now, we'll know which of us is right.
At least the break up of the UK (a real prospect three years ago) looks to have been averted.
Is it the participation of the DUP in the UK government that makes you think the union is secure?
How are they participating? Which ministerial posts will they fill?
By setting the terms for their support they have a portfolio without a ministry.
I do hope that any response to the anti islamic attack is proportionate and can't be perceived as 'biased'.
Irrespective, I'm sure some elements will try to portray it as such.
Pro-Islamic State channels are using reports of the incident in Finsbury Park to incite Muslims, according to groups which monitor jihadists.
One pro-Isis post said “Oh Muslims you need to wake up the war starting on your own streets”. It also questioned why the police didn’t shoot dead the attacker.
On the latter point, at a guess 'he'd already been apprehended, was not stabbing people and did not appear to be wearing a suicide vest'
The BBC broadcast an interview with an eyewitness who made the same point, and claimed it took a long time for ambulances to get to the scene. Not a helpful interview to broadcast IMO.
No, mustn't let these people have their say. That would never do.
That's the last thing I'd say. But after every event recently, the media have shown themselves to be irresponsible in their reporting.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
Do you really believe this nonsense?
Some of us do, and unlike many of those who seem to think British prosperity is just about waving flags harder, Southam has posted a great deal of intelligent analysis that backs his thinking up.
Intelligent maybe, he is just guessing though, until the terms of our deal are laid out any analysis is mainly entrenched guesswork. One thing for certain that get's ignored and why the referendum and result came to pass, we paid a lot into the EU and our influence from within was very limited. Cameron tried his very best to do something about that over several years and we know the result of that.
I'm sure Labour will win if the election is in the next year for the reasons given by Southam Observer. The Tories have divided and diminished this country in a way that hasn't been seen for many decades. Michael Gove was on the radio this morning as Minister for the Environment. The desperation in reappointing him shows even the Tories know the game is up.
Can the government get the 2018 constituency boundary changes though before the next General Election? They will help the Conservatives gain a majority but presumably the DUP aren't too happy with them as although they give Northern Ireland 2.88% of the new 600 member House of Commons as opposed to 2.77% at present, implied 2017 results see Sinn Fein gain 2 seats from DUP on the new boundaries.
Here is a theory: this GE was the tipping point when "young people don't vote" became "young people used not to vote"; they have been pushed into it by a combination of the facts of the brutal unfairness of the system towards them (house prices and student loans) and this being the first election fought online rather than in traditional media. The young vote was got out by the "liar" song and the cassette boy montage of May. The cool thing about the cassette boy video was that it ended with a screen saying, not vote Corbyn, but simply VOTE.
Someone cleverer than me needs to look at turnout by age group in this and previous elections to see whether it is true.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
Deeply divided?
This place is getting ridiculous, 99% of the population go about their everyday lives without ever thinking about politics.
Some people's obsession with party politics is very worrying, it must be remembered that very few politicians give a toss about the people they represent.
And very few people give a toss about their politicians.
I'm sure Labour will win if the election is in the next year for the reasons given by Southam Observer. The Tories have divided and diminished this country in a way that hasn't been seen for many decades. Michael Gove was on the radio this morning as Minister for the Environment. The desperation in reappointing him shows even the Tories know the game is up.
Roger you blow with the wind on political matters. Its hard to take anything seriously
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
In-depth analysis of the event has still to take place before a level of outrage is decided upon.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
There also haven't been the usual pathetic comments like 'I bet his name was Dave', etc, etc.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
Yes, fair enough, though personally I don't think Muslims in general need to take a view on ISIS (the official bodies like MCB do), any more than on North Korea - default, backed up by polling, is to assume they think they're bonkers as everyone else does.
@DavidL No people haven't gone mad. Given how Labour did during the GE, how can anyone be shocked to see Labour polling above 40%? Labour supporters by and large are not taking what the right wing press say seriously anymore, and Corbyn comes across as fairly reasonable on TV and in the media generally especially to a voter who does not know about his past history and statements. Plus, the government is in chaos and many are discontented with the situation right now and Labour is a way for many to register that discontent.
The gutter press's influence is gone.
You make a good point. One of the things that appeals about Corbyn is that you know he'll never prostrate himself at the feet of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre nor to the likes of Donald Trump Bibi Netanyahu or Salman al Saud. That in itself will be massively liberating for this country and one which which most thinking people will welcome.
+1
He will though to MacKluskey, Prentice and their scouse union cabals, who are potentially far more dangerous day to day for millions of Brits, than those you list. Most thinking people would not welcome that, especially if the conduct during the last Unite elections were more widely known. Another fail in the recent Conservative campaign.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
Do you really believe this nonsense?
Some of us do, and unlike many of those who seem to think British prosperity is just about waving flags harder, Southam has posted a great deal of intelligent analysis that backs his thinking up.
+1
The sad truth is that we have become mostly a source of mirth for the ROW. Or bafflement on a good day.
On some kind of topic, it is easy to say that the Cons effed it up with the referendum. But I have a huge problem with people who have a problem with democracy. The EU was a boil that needed lancing and there were at least 4m people who wanted an opportunity to have a say on the matter and who were effectively disenfranchised.
Of course it was the wrong result but that is the public's fault, not the guys who built the ballot boxes.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
It's out of their hands. If all opposition votes them down on confidence they are gone.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
Deeply divided?
This place is getting ridiculous, 99% of the population go about their everyday lives without ever thinking about politics.
Some people's obsession with party politics is very worrying, it must be remembered that very few politicians give a toss about the people they represent.
And very few people give a toss about their politicians.
Correct.
To say the country is "deeply divided" is pure nonsense, they're more concerned about the weather.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
It's out of their hands. If all opposition votes them down on confidence they are gone.
Since when has the opposition been able to call an election?
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
Correct, but they won't call an election and commit suicide.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
Yes, fair enough, though personally I don't think Muslims in general need to take a view on ISIS (the official bodies like MCB do), any more than on North Korea - default, backed up by polling, is to assume they think they're bonkers as everyone else does.
I don't think we really have the luxury of looking at the question in such philosophical terms. In the current atmosphere - not taking a stance is percieved as acquiescence.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Lol @ "increasingly". We are still waiting to hear from the new Tory MP for Bolsover?
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
I do hope that any response to the anti islamic attack is proportionate and can't be perceived as 'biased'.
Irrespective, I'm sure some elements will try to portray it as such.
Pro-Islamic State channels are using reports of the incident in Finsbury Park to incite Muslims, according to groups which monitor jihadists.
One pro-Isis post said “Oh Muslims you need to wake up the war starting on your own streets”. It also questioned why the police didn’t shoot dead the attacker.
On the latter point, at a guess 'he'd already been apprehended, was not stabbing people and did not appear to be wearing a suicide vest'
The BBC broadcast an interview with an eyewitness who made the same point, and claimed it took a long time for ambulances to get to the scene. Not a helpful interview to broadcast IMO.
No, mustn't let these people have their say. That would never do.
That's the last thing I'd say. But after every event recently, the media have shown themselves to be irresponsible in their reporting.
And giving voice to people whose friends and relatives have been grievously attacked is irresponsible, is it? Perhaps it would be better to record their views and only broadcast them if they pass some kind of test.
Can the government get the 2018 constituency boundary changes though before the next General Election? They will help the Conservatives gain a majority but presumably the DUP aren't too happy with them as although they give Northern Ireland 2.88% of the new 600 member House of Commons as opposed to 2.77% at present, implied 2017 results see Sinn Fein gain 2 seats from DUP on the new boundaries.
The boundary changes probably will not happen. They will create a lot of work and upset a lot of incumbents for no real gain. The idea that the old boundaries are unfair to Conservatives was always spurious as was discussed here at the time -- the perceived bias was mainly due to differential turnout in safe seats. The fuss about Scotland and Wales was also OTT now that the Conservatives have rediscovered how to win seats in those countries.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
Yes, fair enough, though personally I don't think Muslims in general need to take a view on ISIS (the official bodies like MCB do), any more than on North Korea - default, backed up by polling, is to assume they think they're bonkers as everyone else does.
North Islington is fortunate to be represented by a member of parliament who has never shown any sympathy for terror killers.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
This is rubbish IMO. The EU referendum result did not "create" a deeply divided country, it was the consequence of it. Just as easy to make a case for Brown. Or Blair. Or, of course, Thatcher. The divide in the country is between the haves and the have nots. And it all comes down to the insoluble problem that is the property market.
Before the Referendum no one apart from a few fruitcakes gave the EU even a passing thought. It ranked somewhere below enviroment as a concern. After the Referendum it moved to top spot. What's more before the Referendum there were no losers. Now there are 17,000,000. A large percentage of whom are very angry.
Can the government get the 2018 constituency boundary changes though before the next General Election? They will help the Conservatives gain a majority but presumably the DUP aren't too happy with them as although they give Northern Ireland 2.88% of the new 600 member House of Commons as opposed to 2.77% at present, implied 2017 results see Sinn Fein gain 2 seats from DUP on the new boundaries.
In theory, but almost certainly not in practice. It isn't as much in their favour, anyway, as before.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
Defections? Are you seriously suggesting a tory will join Corbyn's labour?
See what I mean about people WANTING things to happen.
F1: slightly interesting gossip, Sainz appears to have effectively made a pitch for Ricciardo's seat. The Spaniard's a good driver (cocking up and costing my a bet last time out notwithstanding) but Toro Rosso tends to chuck drivers out after a few years and he needs to find a new seat.
Bottas is driving pretty well for Mercedes, but that seat may yet be open. Raikkonen at Ferrari is another potential vacancy. Renault's likely to kick out Palmer. If Perez is successfully headhunted by Renault then Sainz could go to the Pink Panthers.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
Shouldn't we be suspending politics for several days?
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
This is rubbish IMO. The EU referendum result did not "create" a deeply divided country, it was the consequence of it. Just as easy to make a case for Brown. Or Blair. Or, of course, Thatcher. The divide in the country is between the haves and the have nots. And it all comes down to the insoluble problem that is the property market.
Before the Referendum no one apart from a few fruitcakes gave the EU even a passing thought. It ranked somewhere below enviroment as a concern. After the Referendum it moved to top spot. What's more before the Referendum there were no losers. Now there are 17,000,000. A large percentage of whom are very angry.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
It's out of their hands. If all opposition votes them down on confidence they are gone.
Since when has the opposition been able to call an election?
Well the government falls if it fails a confidence vote and if no other government can command a vote of confidence within 14 days an election then happens. Therefore, as a plurality but not a majority, it's not in the Tories hands, they are reliant on other party support or abstention. That's the reality. Likelihood doesn't come into it.
The really odd thing about Survation is that responders to both its phone and online surveys appear to be much more accurate about stating the chances of them voting compared with other pollsters.
Quite why this is the case is hard to ascertain. I've looked at the detailed questions and there is nothing that different from what other firms do.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
Yes I think that is the point. The Cons euroloons will prefer to blow the party up in the spirit of their cause. Always have, likely always will; won't take yes for an answer.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
But I thought that that the French parliament has no power - all is supposed to be decided in Brussels.
How was your BBQ? Did you marinade the Focus deliverer before kebabing?
I'm quite traumatized by the BBQ !! .... I'm sure Mrs JackW planned the whole affair to indicate what a future Jezza government would look like :
The young full of power (and drink) .. someone else paying for the goodies and the old looking on in horror as the place goes to hell in a handcart ..
The funniest moment was when I introduced myself to an 18 year old young woman with piercings and more metal on display than the local ironmonger. She replied :
"Don't you recognize me I'm Mary* ..... " ..... * name changed to protect the guilty.
"Of course" I replied (lie) ... last time I saw her about 5 years ago she was a sweet unaffected little girl happily riding a pony. Yesterday afternoon she'd probably have slit the animals throat and flung it on the hot coals !!
I asked her if she knew any middle aged London authors. She didn't ..... luckily .... for SeanT !!
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
Defections? Are you seriously suggesting a tory will join Corbyn's labour?
See what I mean about people WANTING things to happen.
The Brexit negotiations are going to be in the public domain and will at different times piss off the extremists of both wings in the Tory party. It wouldn't take much for one or more of the nuttier ones who are not expecting to get back next time to join the Lib Dems or UKIP.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
This is rubbish IMO. The EU referendum result did not "create" a deeply divided country, it was the consequence of it. Just as easy to make a case for Brown. Or Blair. Or, of course, Thatcher. The divide in the country is between the haves and the have nots. And it all comes down to the insoluble problem that is the property market.
Before the Referendum no one apart from a few fruitcakes gave the EU even a passing thought. It ranked somewhere below enviroment as a concern. After the Referendum it moved to top spot. What's more before the Referendum there were no losers. Now there are 17,000,000. A large percentage of whom are very angry.
Apart from the millions who have been negatively affected by the wage erosion and job insecurity caused by mass immigration. And the tens of millions who have been impacted by the breakdown of the social contract between employers and education in this country.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
Can the government get the 2018 constituency boundary changes though before the next General Election? They will help the Conservatives gain a majority but presumably the DUP aren't too happy with them as although they give Northern Ireland 2.88% of the new 600 member House of Commons as opposed to 2.77% at present, implied 2017 results see Sinn Fein gain 2 seats from DUP on the new boundaries.
In theory, but almost certainly not in practice. It isn't as much in their favour, anyway, as before.
Implied results give Tories 298 seats, two short of a majority but in practice a majority of five as Sinn Fein are absent, by then, they could also say it's someone else's turn to be speaker.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
I have to say I am getting seriously worried. They are all posturing on Brexit - Johnson, Davis and now the supposedly sensible one, Philip Hammond. On the Labour side you have Corbyn and Macdonnell who make it clear Brexit is just a bargaining chip for their advantage. Only Kier Starmer appears to be concerned about getting a decent Brexit arrangement, and no-one is paying HIM any attention.
We're heading in a Greek trap, revolving government and all. The UK is facing a much more severe humiliation than Suez.
Except the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world not the 50th largest economy like Greece. It is though possible we may be in for the same round of elections, in 2012 there were two general elections in Greece which the conservative National Democracy narrowly won, in 2015 there were two general elections which the populist leftwing Syriza won and now the latest polls have National Democracy back in front in the polls again
Bit behind the times, we are down to 8th and on a downward trajectory, can Tories not just tell the truth.
Source?
According to the World Bank we are the 5th largest economy in the world.
According to the IMF we are the 9th largest economy in the world.
The difference between the two is that the World Bank use current exchange rates to convert each country's GDP to US Dollars whereas the IMF use PPP (purchasing power parity - in essence, how much stuff can you buy with this money).
Malcolm is completely wrong to say we are on a downward trajectory. I would imagine he thinks we have slipped from 5th to 9th. We haven't. In fact we are on an upwards trajectory. On World Bank figures we were the 6th largest economy in the world in 2010 and slipped to 7th in 2011 but are now the 5th largest. On IMF figures we were 9th from 2010 to the present.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
Nice, balanced and insulting as ever on Brexit related matters, I see.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
As someone has been arrested (as opposed to shot dead or blown himself up) then there will be a trial and there is a danger of saying something sub judice.
May I add my condolences to those who have friends or family who have been killed or injured.
I have to say I am getting seriously worried. They are all posturing on Brexit - Johnson, Davis and now the supposedly sensible one, Philip Hammond. On the Labour side you have Corbyn and Macdonnell who make it clear Brexit is just a bargaining chip for their advantage. Only Kier Starmer appears to be concerned about getting a decent Brexit arrangement, and no-one is paying HIM any attention.
We're heading in a Greek trap, revolving government and all. The UK is facing a much more severe humiliation than Suez.
Except the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world not the 50th largest economy like Greece. It is though possible we may be in for the same round of elections, in 2012 there were two general elections in Greece which the conservative National Democracy narrowly won, in 2015 there were two general elections which the populist leftwing Syriza won and now the latest polls have National Democracy back in front in the polls again
Bit behind the times, we are down to 8th and on a downward trajectory, can Tories not just tell the truth.
Source?
According to the World Bank we are the 5th largest economy in the world.
According to the IMF we are the 9th largest economy in the world.
The difference between the two is that the World Bank use current exchange rates to convert each country's GDP to US Dollars whereas the IMF use PPP (purchasing power parity - in essence, how much stuff can you buy with this money).
Malcolm is completely wrong to say we are on a downward trajectory. I would imagine he thinks we have slipped from 5th to 9th. We haven't. In fact we are on an upwards trajectory. On World Bank figures we were the 6th largest economy in the world in 2010 and slipped to 7th in 2011 but are now the 5th largest. On IMF figures we were 9th from 2010 to the present.
When you say "current", which year is that ? 2017, 2016, 2015 ?
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
Nice, balanced and insulting as ever on Brexit related matters, I see.
If you're going to put forward bizarre suggestions, they're going to be treated with the ridicule they deserve.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
Defections? Are you seriously suggesting a tory will join Corbyn's labour?
See what I mean about people WANTING things to happen.
What if say half a dozen pro-EU MPs on Labour's right wing get fed up with Corbyn and form a new party? If we aren't getting a deal from the EU and on course to leave without one, one or two fanatical Tory remaindermen might be tempted to join them.
Can the government get the 2018 constituency boundary changes though before the next General Election? They will help the Conservatives gain a majority but presumably the DUP aren't too happy with them as although they give Northern Ireland 2.88% of the new 600 member House of Commons as opposed to 2.77% at present, implied 2017 results see Sinn Fein gain 2 seats from DUP on the new boundaries.
In theory, but almost certainly not in practice. It isn't as much in their favour, anyway, as before.
Implied results give Tories 298 seats, two short of a majority but in practice a majority of five as Sinn Fein are absent, by then, they could also say it's someone else's turn to be speaker.
Yes, as I said, the advantage in terms of political balance is significantly less than it has been assessed previously. Plus there are fewer MPs overall, which means some Tories losing their seats. And some seats get abolished or signficantly messed about, which means Tories having to carpetbag their way in somewhere else. And the major changes to the majority of seats would force a widescale reorganisation of local party structures. Finally, the so-called end of austerity and the probable end of the MEPs kills the original imperative for reducing the Commons.
In the round, there is nothing in it for the Tories any more. And even if collectively they try and proceed, the chance of some rebels joining the opposition to vote it down are high.
I suspect the Commission will be asked to start again, aiming at 650 for completion by 2020 using latest data and more sensible criteria.
The really odd thing about Survation is that responders to both its phone and online surveys appear to be much more accurate about stating the chances of them voting compared with other pollsters.
Quite why this is the case is hard to ascertain. I've looked at the detailed questions and there is nothing that different from what other firms do.
It's the way they select their sample, Mike. I read a detailed write-up on this on their website once.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
Defections? Are you seriously suggesting a tory will join Corbyn's labour?
See what I mean about people WANTING things to happen.
What if say half a dozen pro-EU MPs on Labour's right wing get fed up with Corbyn and form a new party? If we aren't getting a deal from the EU and on course to leave without one, one or two fanatical Tory remaindermen might be tempted to join them.
Another government contract handed to American consultancies. Leaving aside the question of why the civil service cannot cope, does anyone imagine President Trump will be employing British management consultants any time soon?
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
Nice, balanced and insulting as ever on Brexit related matters, I see.
If you're going to put forward bizarre suggestions, they're going to be treated with the ridicule they deserve.
Can you let us all know an ETA for when the Brexit Blinkers come off? It's all getting rather tiresome.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
Nice, balanced and insulting as ever on Brexit related matters, I see.
If you're going to put forward bizarre suggestions, they're going to be treated with the ridicule they deserve.
Can you let us all know an ETA for when the Brexit Blinkers come off? It's all getting rather tiresome.
Says the man who thinks that Graham Brady for next Prime Minister is a good idea.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
Defections? Are you seriously suggesting a tory will join Corbyn's labour?
See what I mean about people WANTING things to happen.
The Brexit negotiations are going to be in the public domain and will at different times piss off the extremists of both wings in the Tory party. It wouldn't take much for one or more of the nuttier ones who are not expecting to get back next time to join the Lib Dems or UKIP.
I do hope that any response to the anti islamic attack is proportionate and can't be perceived as 'biased'.
Irrespective, I'm sure some elements will try to portray it as such.
Pro-Islamic State channels are using reports of the incident in Finsbury Park to incite Muslims, according to groups which monitor jihadists.
One pro-Isis post said “Oh Muslims you need to wake up the war starting on your own streets”. It also questioned why the police didn’t shoot dead the attacker.
On the latter point, at a guess 'he'd already been apprehended, was not stabbing people and did not appear to be wearing a suicide vest'
The BBC broadcast an interview with an eyewitness who made the same point, and claimed it took a long time for ambulances to get to the scene. Not a helpful interview to broadcast IMO.
No, mustn't let these people have their say. That would never do.
That's the last thing I'd say. But after every event recently, the media have shown themselves to be irresponsible in their reporting.
And giving voice to people whose friends and relatives have been grievously attacked is irresponsible, is it? Perhaps it would be better to record their views and only broadcast them if they pass some kind of test.
Yes, it can be. You're perfectly free to differ, but IMO the interview on BBC One just after six (I think!) was unhelpful.
Yeah but what about by-elections and defections etc.? in Oct 1974 Labour won an overall majority of 3 but it soon got whittled away and they had to make a pact with the Liberals to stay in power. After that collapsed they beaten in a vote of no confidence in March 1979. John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
History seems not to be your strongest point, Mr DeClare. The Lib Lab Pact did not "collapse". It came to an end, by agreement, so that the Liberals would have six months clear of entanglement before the general election. It was a very sensible arrangement.
But your main point is valid - even though there is a greater chance of the Conservative Party splitting.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
Nice, balanced and insulting as ever on Brexit related matters, I see.
If you're going to put forward bizarre suggestions, they're going to be treated with the ridicule they deserve.
Can you let us all know an ETA for when the Brexit Blinkers come off? It's all getting rather tiresome.
Brexit is just as much of a high-wire act as Theresa May's performance as PM. Remember when you thought she spoke for England and reached the parts the posh boys couldn't?
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
It will turn out to be a guy with mental problems with a nice normal name like "Freedom for Britian, Death to Traitors"
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
We were in so much better shape under Gordon Brown, I agree.
Anybody thinking there will be a general election in the next 5 years is deluded. Politics is about power, nothing but, Cameron and May foolishly rolled the dice and look what happened. There is not a chance the tories will relinquish power until 2022.
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
Reality is that the Tories are in a minority and some of their MPs care more about the EU than governing. As May or whoever has to make decisions the cracks will appear.
This also has a lot of truth in it.
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May Only someone obsessed with the EU would even suggest that. There are far too many with their mindset in Conservative ranks
It is not as left field as you think.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
It's a batshit mental suggestion. Theresa May is Prime Minister. The replacement has to be someone ready to serve on day one, especially since the electorate is not being consulted in the matter. Graham Brady has zero ministerial experience. Zilch. Nada. He's unknown by the general public and his sole qualification is that he's seen as "sound" on Brexit.
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
Nice, balanced and insulting as ever on Brexit related matters, I see.
If you're going to put forward bizarre suggestions, they're going to be treated with the ridicule they deserve.
Can you let us all know an ETA for when the Brexit Blinkers come off? It's all getting rather tiresome.
Brexit is just as much of a high-wire act as Theresa May's performance as PM. Remember when you thought she spoke for England and reached the parts the posh boys couldn't?
Boris & Gove."Once more unto the breach, dear friends ,once more ,". What they have done and are doing, is it really in the best interests of this country , or their own ego and importance.?
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
It will turn out to be a guy with mental problems with a nice normal name like "Freedom for Britian, Death to Traitors"
Nothing to worry about.
Not sure about that. Rather than a religious motive it may be more nationalistic where this guy feels that islam is attacking his country and people. Not mentally ill, just very very pissed off. Should be chucked away for life - 25 year with parole after 12.5 grrr
Perfect result for france at this time. As we watch the stumbling back stabbing opportunists who are ruling the UK at the moment we should be very jealous.
I don't see much concern on here about the Finsbury Park incident. Not saying that the PB comments section is particularly important in the scheme of things, but if we expect 'moderate muslims' to disown ISIS etc, then non muslims need to be equally outraged by acts like these.
As someone has been arrested (as opposed to shot dead or blown himself up) then there will be a trial and there is a danger of saying something sub judice.
Thank goodness that's the reason. I was beginning to worry it might be something else.
If it's ok for Italians to put potato on pizza (to be fair, it works surprisingly well), it's ok for me to put pineapple on pizza. I don't get the need to be purist about this.
There is a German relative of the pizza that is served in Cologne. It is called, I think, a Koelsch pizza and the entire base is mashed potato instead of bread.
Probably only the Germans could a/ do this and b/ still consider it a pizza.
If it's ok for Italians to put potato on pizza (to be fair, it works surprisingly well), it's ok for me to put pineapple on pizza. I don't get the need to be purist about this.
There is a German relative of the pizza that is served in Cologne. It is called, I think, a Koelsch pizza and the entire base is mashed potato instead of bread.
Probably only the Germans could a/ do this and b/ still consider it a pizza.
A deeply divided country that is not at ease with itself is David Cameron's legacy. A poorer country, diminished in the world and still deeply divided will be Theresa May's legacy. The Tories really have screwed the UK over.
This is rubbish IMO. The EU referendum result did not "create" a deeply divided country, it was the consequence of it. Just as easy to make a case for Brown. Or Blair. Or, of course, Thatcher. The divide in the country is between the haves and the have nots. And it all comes down to the insoluble problem that is the property market.
Before the Referendum no one apart from a few fruitcakes gave the EU even a passing thought. It ranked somewhere below enviroment as a concern. After the Referendum it moved to top spot. What's more before the Referendum there were no losers. Now there are 17,000,000. A large percentage of whom are very angry.
Apart from the millions who have been negatively affected by the wage erosion and job insecurity caused by mass immigration. And the tens of millions who have been impacted by the breakdown of the social contract between employers and education in this country.
Yeh, apart from those, no losers at all.
You have no evidence whatsoever that wage erosion has been caused by immigration. Flight of jobs abroad has been a factor though, a consequence of the globalisation for which the Tories are big enthusiasts. Furthermore I can state categorically that my own wage erosion has been caused by your austerity programme.
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And it's good in general to see the voters not reacting strongly to disasters - as we saw with the London and Manchester attacks, most people don't instantly look for someone to blame, unlike our dear media.
And, TSE, I like not just pineapple but also anchovies on my pizzas. Lots of them. Food snobs, they're the worst
Pineapple is not fine, now matter how thinly sliced.
We need Martin Kaboom Boon!!
You remember the PB Tories laughing when Labour shown at 30% saying how implausible it was.
LREM - 350 - Independent Orange Bookers
LR - 131 - Conservative/Sinn Fein Coalition ..
PS - 46 - Ed Stone/Green Alliance
LFI - 26 - Jezza/SWP Concordat
FN - 8 - Loony Faragist Whackjobs
Others 16 - Independent Liquorice Allsorts
LREM Maj 123
There is hope for us yet if we can get rid of May.
https://twitter.com/ChristinaSNP/status/876690849895251968
'He' is Ian Duncan, newly ennobled SCon loser.
They will help the Conservatives gain a majority but presumably the DUP aren't too happy with them as although they give Northern Ireland 2.88% of the new 600 member House of Commons as opposed to 2.77% at present, implied 2017 results see Sinn Fein gain 2 seats from DUP on the new boundaries.
Someone cleverer than me needs to look at turnout by age group in this and previous elections to see whether it is true.
https://twitter.com/AamerAnwar/status/876704042772291584
Hope nobody else dies.
The sad truth is that we have become mostly a source of mirth for the ROW. Or bafflement on a good day.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-lead-theresa-may-conservatives-tories-survation-poll-general-election-a7784171.html
On some kind of topic, it is easy to say that the Cons effed it up with the referendum. But I have a huge problem with people who have a problem with democracy. The EU was a boil that needed lancing and there were at least 4m people who wanted an opportunity to have a say on the matter and who were effectively disenfranchised.
Of course it was the wrong result but that is the public's fault, not the guys who built the ballot boxes.
How was your BBQ? Did you marinade the Focus deliverer before kebabing?
On here people are increasingly conflating what they want to happen with reality.
To say the country is "deeply divided" is pure nonsense, they're more concerned about the weather.
John Major had a majority of 21 in 1992 but by 1997 he was running a minority government and had to do deals with the Ulstermen.
Keep her around till Brexit has happened, find a new leader, honeymoon period, intervene in housing market, witness 2020 Tory surge....
Look at Oakshott and Ashcroft bigging up Graham Brady as a successor to May
See what I mean about people WANTING things to happen.
Bottas is driving pretty well for Mercedes, but that seat may yet be open. Raikkonen at Ferrari is another potential vacancy. Renault's likely to kick out Palmer. If Perez is successfully headhunted by Renault then Sainz could go to the Pink Panthers.
That's the reality. Likelihood doesn't come into it.
Quite why this is the case is hard to ascertain. I've looked at the detailed questions and there is nothing that different from what other firms do.
Brady is hugely respected amongst the electorate for Tory leadership battles - I.e. Tory MPs.
He is also a communicator. Better than 75% of the cabinet.
I don't think he is interested in the job, mind.
The young full of power (and drink) .. someone else paying for the goodies and the old looking on in horror as the place goes to hell in a handcart ..
The funniest moment was when I introduced myself to an 18 year old young woman with piercings and more metal on display than the local ironmonger. She replied :
"Don't you recognize me I'm Mary* ..... " ..... * name changed to protect the guilty.
"Of course" I replied (lie) ... last time I saw her about 5 years ago she was a sweet unaffected little girl happily riding a pony. Yesterday afternoon she'd probably have slit the animals throat and flung it on the hot coals !!
I asked her if she knew any middle aged London authors. She didn't ..... luckily .... for SeanT !!
Yeh, apart from those, no losers at all.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1165267/nicola-sturgeon-indyref2-election-win/
Only the most demented of Leavers could even contemplate installing such a choice. He'd be a 21st century Incitatus.
According to the IMF we are the 9th largest economy in the world.
The difference between the two is that the World Bank use current exchange rates to convert each country's GDP to US Dollars whereas the IMF use PPP (purchasing power parity - in essence, how much stuff can you buy with this money).
Malcolm is completely wrong to say we are on a downward trajectory. I would imagine he thinks we have slipped from 5th to 9th. We haven't. In fact we are on an upwards trajectory. On World Bank figures we were the 6th largest economy in the world in 2010 and slipped to 7th in 2011 but are now the 5th largest. On IMF figures we were 9th from 2010 to the present.
https://twitter.com/lucymcnulty/status/876707188076630016
May I add my condolences to those who have friends or family who have been killed or injured.
If we aren't getting a deal from the EU and on course to leave without one, one or two fanatical Tory remaindermen might be tempted to join them.
In the round, there is nothing in it for the Tories any more. And even if collectively they try and proceed, the chance of some rebels joining the opposition to vote it down are high.
I suspect the Commission will be asked to start again, aiming at 650 for completion by 2020 using latest data and more sensible criteria.
But your main point is valid - even though there is a greater chance of the Conservative Party splitting.
Nothing to worry about.
Probably only the Germans could a/ do this and b/ still consider it a pizza.