With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
If you eat meat, drive a car, use throwaway plastic and cups, have pets etc.......... I'm. guilty of some of these.....
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
I see myself more as a bad boy than vermin, personally.
Nothing wrong with that. Ladies love a bad boy. Vermin ... not so much.
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
If you eat meat, drive a car, use throwaway plastic and cups, have pets etc.......... I'm. guilty of some of these.....
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
Hm, I don't think that's a particularly nice thing to say. Especially after she so recently talked about not being able to have children.
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
If you eat meat, drive a car, use throwaway plastic and cups, have pets etc.......... I'm. guilty of some of these.....
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
Hm, I don't think that's a particularly nice thing to say. Especially after she so recently talked about not being able to have children.
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Oh come on, I don't think Eurovision is that bad.
And hey, most species are self serving, we're just the best at it. Very good survival trait.
But we also have consciences, unlike most of them. Morality is for those animals with the freedom to exercise it and still thrive. We'll get there. No time for misandry.
I saw an adult robin feeding a fledging blackbird today hiding in the field behind my house.
In all seriousness though K thank you though for your positivity....sometimes I need to hear this kind of upbeat thinking when I look at human beings....
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
If you eat meat, drive a car, use throwaway plastic and cups, have pets etc.......... I'm. guilty of some of these.....
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
Hm, I don't think that's a particularly nice thing to say. Especially after she so recently talked about not being able to have children.
Saturday night spreadsheet fun (I am actually going out shortly!)
The 254 seats in Great Britain which UKIP is not contesting this time (including 17 - all in Scotland - that they didn't contest in 2015 either) recorded a total UKIP vote in 2015 of 1.25 million, representing 10.2% of the overall vote in those 254 seats. Not contesting this time costs UKIP 4.2% of the GB vote, taking them down from 12.9% to 8.7%, before any loss of support in the seats they are contesting.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
If you eat meat, drive a car, use throwaway plastic and cups, have pets etc.......... I'm. guilty of some of these.....
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
Hm, I don't think that's a particularly nice thing to say. Especially after she so recently talked about not being able to have children.
RobD...May brought up her childlessness rather cynically without being prompted on the OneShow via a random anecdote about her mother...
With the calling of the snap General Election, I wanted to try and set out in detail my position on fracking as a whole and the INEOS application for an exploratory well at Bramleymoor Farm in Marsh Lane in particular...
[snip]
...If it creates a whole new industry with good jobs, if it is good for Derbyshire, then I support it. Our next step has to be setting up a strong Community Liaison Group to negotiate with INEOS If shale exploration is going to happen, let’s make sure that we get the most out of it. NATASCHA ENGEL Labour Party Parliamentary candidate
Bloody good for her. Restores my faith in British politics.
Just a shame that human beings have proven yet again that we are the worst kind of destructive, self serving polluting vermin....you couldn't make up how profoundly damaging we are to all other species on our planet
Up to you if you choose to describe yourself as destructive self serving polluting vermin but you can leave the "we" out of it.
If you eat meat, drive a car, use throwaway plastic and cups, have pets etc.......... I'm. guilty of some of these.....
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
Hm, I don't think that's a particularly nice thing to say. Especially after she so recently talked about not being able to have children.
RobD...May brought up her childlessness rather cynically without being prompted on the OneShow via a random anecdote about her mother...
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
The Times realises this won't have much impact behind the paywall, right ?
I'm sure a certain Australian and the Prime Minister will make sure the wider electorate becomes aware of it, not just the subscribers to The Times and The Sunday Times.
Saturday night spreadsheet fun (I am actually going out shortly!)
The 254 seats in Great Britain which UKIP is not contesting this time (including 17 - all in Scotland - that they didn't contest in 2015 either) recorded a total UKIP vote in 2015 of 1.25 million, representing 10.2% of the overall vote in those 254 seats. Not contesting this time costs UKIP 4.2% of the GB vote, taking them down from 12.9% to 8.7%, before any loss of support in the seats they are contesting.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
I know other people may not be aware of Corbyn's history on these matters exactly, but I still like this is the result of an 'investigation' and is a 'disclosure' as though it only came to light, like, this week (the specifics may or may not be new, I don't have paywall access, but his support right after the bombing was certainly known).
Sorry to say it clearly didn't bother his colleagues at the time or any of his many voters over many decades.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
The Times realises this won't have much impact behind the paywall, right ?
I'm sure a certain Australian and the Prime Minister will make sure the wider electorate becomes aware of it, not just the subscribers to The Times and The Sunday Times.
Well they need to get cracking on it, the average voter hasn't even noticed May's "Strong stable" meme.
Documentation about the picket was discovered by The Sunday Times in the Troops Out archive, now held at the Bishopsgate Institute in London.
At the time, Corbyn had been the MP for Islington North for three years. The files include a handwritten letter from him, on House of Commons headed notepaper, to Sal Jenkinson, a Troops Out activist who helped organise the protest. “Thanks for your help, hope you get out as I did! All the best, Jeremy.”
Jenkinson replies: “Thanks for your support in coming on the picket and being arrested . . . See you at Snow Hill if not before.”
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
The Times realises this won't have much impact behind the paywall, right ?
I'm sure a certain Australian and the Prime Minister will make sure the wider electorate becomes aware of it, not just the subscribers to The Times and The Sunday Times.
Well they need to get cracking on it, the average voter hasn't even noticed May's "Strong stable" meme.
Give it time, most people don't pay attention until a few weeks until polling day.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
The Times realises this won't have much impact behind the paywall, right ?
I'm sure a certain Australian and the Prime Minister will make sure the wider electorate becomes aware of it, not just the subscribers to The Times and The Sunday Times.
Australian? Surely not Rupert, he's not been Australian for decades. Not sure about his kids.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
The Times realises this won't have much impact behind the paywall, right ?
I'm sure a certain Australian and the Prime Minister will make sure the wider electorate becomes aware of it, not just the subscribers to The Times and The Sunday Times.
Australian? Surely not Rupert, he's not been Australian for decades. Not sure about his kids.
No, the other Aussie my Labour voters consider the spawn of Satan.
Documentation about the picket was discovered by The Sunday Times in the Troops Out archive, now held at the Bishopsgate Institute in London.
At the time, Corbyn had been the MP for Islington North for three years. The files include a handwritten letter from him, on House of Commons headed notepaper, to Sal Jenkinson, a Troops Out activist who helped organise the protest. “Thanks for your help, hope you get out as I did! All the best, Jeremy.”
Jenkinson replies: “Thanks for your support in coming on the picket and being arrested . . . See you at Snow Hill if not before.”
Corbyn supported every trendy lefty cause....
It must be very nice viewing the world through such a black and white ideological prism.....a bit like ISIS
"The prime minister's relentlessly repeated slogan - "strong and stable" - had not been heard by any of this group."
It's why they need to increase their usage of it.
It shows how ineffective the Tory campaign is if their primary message has not been heard.
No it doesn't - I have zero doubt more people are aware of it than any of the other slogans that have been used by the others, these things have to be judged against one another.
And since we're on Northern Ireland, I'd never heard of him, but seems like this chap who passed today was pretty significant. Back channels, where the real work happens.
Figures from across the political spectrum have paid tribute to Brendan Duddy, who died on Friday, aged 80.
Born on 10 June 1936, the Londonderry businessman become known as "Northern Ireland's secret peacemaker".
For more than 20 years, he acted as secret back-channel between the British government and the IRA leadership.
He was at the centre of a chain of events that ultimately led to the historic IRA ceasefire of 1994 and the Good Friday peace agreement.
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
The Times realises this won't have much impact behind the paywall, right ?
I'm sure a certain Australian and the Prime Minister will make sure the wider electorate becomes aware of it, not just the subscribers to The Times and The Sunday Times.
Australian? Surely not Rupert, he's not been Australian for decades. Not sure about his kids.
No, the other Aussie my Labour voters consider the spawn of Satan.
Sir Lynton Keith Crosby
I don't think I remembered he was Australian. How sneaky he is, the devil.
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
She might do things I think are wrong, in fact I am sure she will, but I should think even with missteps it is a good thing if she does not feel she has to follow the blueprint of a bunch of people still living mentally in the 1980s.
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
Some on the left have made idiots of themselves backing ira/hamas and need to answer for it. But its been widely reported already so i dont see how its going to change nany votes now
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
She might do things I think are wrong, in fact I am sure she will, but I should think even with missteps it is a good thing if she does not feel she has to follow the blueprint of a bunch of people still living mentally in the 1980s.
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
The interesting thing is, the criticism isn't from posh boy Cameroons who have been making the same point for a while.
Some on the left have made idiots of themselves backing ira/hamas and need to answer for it. But its been widely reported already so i dont see how its going to change nany votes now
Apparently plenty are still unaware, but I'm skeptical nonetheless. Those who knew and backed away seem to have come back, or they disliked him for reasons that had nothing to do with this even though if they disliked him you'd think it obvious they found out the other reasons people disliked him too.
"The prime minister's relentlessly repeated slogan - "strong and stable" - had not been heard by any of this group."
It's why they need to increase their usage of it.
Itshows how ineffective the Tory campaign is if their primary message has not been heard.
These things are all relative. Half the population knows nothing about either Farron or Lib Dem policy, and most of those who do will only have heard "Brexit is bad" and "gay sex is sin."
That situation probably won't have changed much by polling day either.
As for the Conservatives, it's nearly a month until we vote, and the manifesto hasn't even been launched yet. Give Sir Lynton time...
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
Interesting to see May was in Tynemouth today, tallies up with my calculations.
I am watching very closely where she goes, and what she does.
UKIP are contesting Tynemouth, contrary to some reports.
BTW, Electoral Calculus aka Martin Baxter has now adjusted his individual seat vote-share predictions to take account of parties such as the Greens and UKIP not contesting. He awards, e.g. 50% of UKIP to Con in those cases. I did raise with him on Twitter whether he would adjust his GB vote shares accordingly. He said it was a "super question" but he hasn't done so as yet. :-)
One problem might be that pollsters could already be taking the lack of UKIP etc into account. I saw one poll that asked respondents something along the lines of "Which party among those likely to be standing in your constituency...."
Now that he has adjusted his projected constituency shares, I could go through them all and work out a GB vote share, but that's for another day...
When you have the ECB and the Fed creating money from nothing, then you will find all your assets will be bought out. It is no good the government playing the pure hands off approach of Thatcher - if she actually ever did - when other countries are not.
We have spent, rough guess, half a trillion pounds in real money on supporting the EU. The government should start feel good projects - like architectural competitions for rebuilding our own country. Perhaps we could start with Jaywick.
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
She might do things I think are wrong, in fact I am sure she will, but I should think even with missteps it is a good thing if she does not feel she has to follow the blueprint of a bunch of people still living mentally in the 1980s.
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
The interesting thing is, the criticism isn't from posh boy Cameroons who have been making the same point for a while.
It's coming from the arch-Thatcherites as well.
I made a similar point to Casino_Royale the other day. The Conservative government of 2017 (22, 27...) will not be "Conservatives" as we have grown to understand the term, but will be closer to Macmillan or Callaghan than Thatcher.
Some on the left have made idiots of themselves backing ira/hamas and need to answer for it. But its been widely reported already so i dont see how its going to change nany votes now
If 'strong and stable' hasn't percolated down to Mr and Mrs Average yet, then the IRA, Hamas etc stuff definitely hasn't. In fact a recent poll showed that the vast majority of people didn't have a clue about the history of that polite, soft-spoken old man, Jeremy Corbyn...
Interesting to see May was in Tynemouth today, tallies up with my calculations.
I am watching very closely where she goes, and what she does.
UKIP are contesting Tynemouth, contrary to some reports.
BTW, Electoral Calculus aka Martin Baxter has now adjusted his individual seat vote-share predictions to take account of parties such as the Greens and UKIP not contesting. He awards, e.g. 50% of UKIP to Con in those cases. I did raise with him on Twitter whether he would adjust his GB vote shares accordingly. He said it was a "super question" but he hasn't done so as yet. :-)
One problem might be that pollsters could already be taking the lack of UKIP etc into account. I saw one poll that asked respondents something along the lines of "Which party among those likely to be standing in your constituency...."
Now that he has adjusted his projected constituency shares, I could go through them all and work out a GB vote share, but that's for another day...
Labour mayor had a swing to her in May, but then again she was an incumbent.
One problem might be that pollsters could already be taking the lack of UKIP into account. I saw one poll that asked respondents something along the lines of "Which party among those likely to be standing in your constituency...."
What proportion of potential Green or Ukip voters actually know whether or not those parties are standing in their constituency, I wonder? Not many, I would've thought.
I didn't even know that Ukip had withdrawn in my constituency until I went to look at the SOPN after the issue was raised on here. How many voters are that inquisitive?
An awful lot of Ukip voters in particular aren't going to know that their preferred party isn't standing until they arrive in the polling booth and unfold the ballot paper.
Some on the left have made idiots of themselves backing ira/hamas and need to answer for it. But its been widely reported already so i dont see how its going to change nany votes now
If 'strong and stable' hasn't percolated down to Mr and Mrs Average yet, then the IRA, Hamas etc stuff definitely hasn't. In fact a recent poll showed that the vast majority of people didn't have a clue about the history of that polite, soft-spoken old man, Jeremy Corbyn...
If the Tories had elected somebody with the sort of dodgy past as Jahadi Jez, Bad Al would have gone nuclear by now. I mean even Cameron with his Eton / Bullingdon nonsense, I doubt a person in the land didn't know that given how much it was constantly brought up.
Instead Labour have elected a terrorist sympathizer backed up by a self confessed Marxist. I am not sure what the Tories are playing at, I would have every single Tory talking head have some patter down to a tee in order to crow bar this into every interview.
Ed Miliband got far more the shit machine treatment and I would say at worst he is a bit of plonker who sees an idea that is written in a textbook and convinces himself it will definitely work in the real world. He certainly doesn't support the IRA or put up with antisemitic holocaust deniers as part of his inner circle.
One problem might be that pollsters could already be taking the lack of UKIP into account. I saw one poll that asked respondents something along the lines of "Which party among those likely to be standing in your constituency...."
What proportion of potential Green or Ukip voters actually know whether or not those parties are standing in their constituency, I wonder? Not many, I would've thought.
I didn't even know that Ukip had withdrawn in my constituency until I went to look at the SOPN after the issue was raised on here. How many voters are that inquisitive?
An awful lot of Ukip voters in particular aren't going to know that their preferred party isn't standing until they arrive in the polling booth and unfold the ballot paper.
Expect heavy Tory leafleting in areas where UKIP are not standing. Something along the lines of "UKIP are not standing here, the only way to deliver a strong and stable Brexit....blabla...vote Conservative"
One problem might be that pollsters could already be taking the lack of UKIP into account. I saw one poll that asked respondents something along the lines of "Which party among those likely to be standing in your constituency...."
What proportion of potential Green or Ukip voters actually know whether or not those parties are standing in their constituency, I wonder? Not many, I would've thought.
I didn't even know that Ukip had withdrawn in my constituency until I went to look at the SOPN after the issue was raised on here. How many voters are that inquisitive?
An awful lot of Ukip voters in particular aren't going to know that their preferred party isn't standing until they arrive in the polling booth and unfold the ballot paper.
I agree. UKIP voters (for instance) will assume the party is standing everywhere in England and Wales, as it did last time, unless they have seen coverage in the local papers telling them otherwise - there was a certain amount of this, to be fair.
But assuming that the vast bulk are not aware, a 5% typical recent share for UKIP would translate to c. 3% taking account of their absence in 40% of GB seats. Douglas Carswell predicted "1, 2, 3%".
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
She might do things I think are wrong, in fact I am sure she will, but I should think even with missteps it is a good thing if she does not feel she has to follow the blueprint of a bunch of people still living mentally in the 1980s.
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
The interesting thing is, the criticism isn't from posh boy Cameroons who have been making the same point for a while.
It's coming from the arch-Thatcherites as well.
I made a similar point to Casino_Royale the other day. The Conservative government of 2017 (22, 27...) will not be "Conservatives" as we have grown to understand the term, but will be closer to Macmillan or Callaghan than Thatcher.
Yes. You're spot on with this. Large parts of the tory base seem to have projected Thatcher onto May. They don't get it. Or maybe they do? Maybe they've bought into it? Maybe they think they'll be able to force her to change tack after the election?
Her conservatism harks back to 1950's-70's consensus politics. She doesn't seem to be particularly ideological about the size - and role - of the state.
IMO, this internal tory tension will define her government.
Black rook makes an interesting point. Ive only just found out ukip are standing in my constituency. M guesing that any pro ukip voters in this position will fall back on their previous leanings
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
She might do things I think are wrong, in fact I am sure she will, but I should think even with missteps it is a good thing if she does not feel she has to follow the blueprint of a bunch of people still living mentally in the 1980s.
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
The interesting thing is, the criticism isn't from posh boy Cameroons who have been making the same point for a while.
It's coming from the arch-Thatcherites as well.
I made a similar point to Casino_Royale the other day. The Conservative government of 2017 (22, 27...) will not be "Conservatives" as we have grown to understand the term, but will be closer to Macmillan or Callaghan than Thatcher.
Yes. You're spot on with this. Large parts of the tory base seem to have projected thatcher onto May. They don't get it. Or maybe they do? Maybe they've bought into it? Maybe they think they'll be able to force her to change tack after the election?
Her conservatism harks back to 1950's-70's consensus politics. She doesn't seem to be particularly ideological about the size - and role - of the state.
On economics yes, on immigration and the EU May will be to the right of where Thatcher ever was in government
Theresa May has been warned not to abandon Margaret Thatcher’s free market economics as she prepares to reveal the most interventionist Tory manifesto for generations.
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
She might do things I think are wrong, in fact I am sure she will, but I should think even with missteps it is a good thing if she does not feel she has to follow the blueprint of a bunch of people still living mentally in the 1980s.
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
The interesting thing is, the criticism isn't from posh boy Cameroons who have been making the same point for a while.
It's coming from the arch-Thatcherites as well.
I made a similar point to Casino_Royale the other day. The Conservative government of 2017 (22, 27...) will not be "Conservatives" as we have grown to understand the term, but will be closer to Macmillan or Callaghan than Thatcher.
Yes. You're spot on with this. Large parts of the tory base seem to have projected Thatcher onto May. They don't get it. Or maybe they do? Maybe they've bought into it? Maybe they think they'll be able to force her to change tack after the election?
Her conservatism harks back to 1950's-70's consensus politics. She doesn't seem to be particularly ideological about the size - and role - of the state.
IMO, this internal tory tension will define her government.
She recognises all the new ukip voters she has bought in are much more working class than the current tory voters. A split between new MP's elected in june and shire MP's could be over economic issues rather than Europe.
Yes. You're spot on with this. Large parts of the tory base seem to have projected Thatcher onto May. They don't get it. Or maybe they do? Maybe they've bought into it? Maybe they think they'll be able to force her to change tack after the election?
Her conservatism harks back to 1950's-70's consensus politics. She doesn't seem to be particularly ideological about the size - and role - of the state.
IMO, this internal tory tension will define her government.
I think your opinion is correct. As to your question about why the base is so fond of her, it's because she reflects their concerns and addresses them comprehensibly.
At any given time we note the values and arguments a party has and say "right! That defines the party!" And then lots of books get written and we think we understand it. And then they change, and we scratch our heads and go "huh?" But the shape we impose on them is only ever temporary: analysis has its limits.
May to sack Hammond and replace with Rudd according to the Political Scrapbook.
Ugh.
Given that May reportedly did not tell anyone (not even her husband) when Leadsom called her in advance to say that she was pulling out of the leadership contest - ie the moment she knew she was about to become PM - it seems unlikely she has leaked that she is going to sack Hammond.
May to sack Hammond and replace with Rudd according to the Political Scrapbook.
Ugh.
Given that May reportedly did not tell anyone (not even her husband) when Leadsom called her in advance to say that she was pulling out of the leadership contest - ie the moment she knew she was about to become PM - it seems unlikely she has leaked that she is going to sack Hammond.
Somebody has definitely been trying to get Hammond out though, there's been reports of them disagreeing and rowing several times since the budget. If it is not May then who is on manuevers? Hammond was seen as a safe pair of hands, the option SHould may fall under a bus by some, and a probable supporter of softer Brexit types iirc. Who benefits from him being sacked or moved? Rudd mist obviously, but rather depends if there's any truth to him not working well with May. She's still a politician - keeping Schtum about leadsome pulling out is one thing, never acting to knife a rival is another.
May to sack Hammond and replace with Rudd according to the Political Scrapbook.
Ugh.
Given that May reportedly did not tell anyone (not even her husband) when Leadsom called her in advance to say that she was pulling out of the leadership contest - ie the moment she knew she was about to become PM - it seems unlikely she has leaked that she is going to sack Hammond.
Somebody has definitely been trying to get Hammond out though, there's been reports of them disagreeing and rowing several times since the budget. If it is not May then who is on manuevers? Hammond was seen as a safe pair of hands, the option SHould may fall under a bus by some, and a probable supporter of softer Brexit types iirc. Who benefits from him being sacked or moved? Rudd mist obviously, but rather depends if there's any truth to him not working well with May. She's still a politician - keeping Schtum about leadsome pulling out is one thing, never acting to knife a rival is another. She leaked details of her sacking Osborne for one thing. Afterwards, to be sure, but intimate details. Which had to come ftom her people as it was presented in a manner to humiliate him. Testing the waters on sacking cabinet ministers is barely a step up on that, and far less personal and so likely to be kept quiet.
"The prime minister's relentlessly repeated slogan - "strong and stable" - had not been heard by any of this group."
It's why they need to increase their usage of it.
It shows how ineffective the Tory campaign is if their primary message has not been heard.
No it doesn't - I have zero doubt more people are aware of it than any of the other slogans that have been used by the others, these things have to be judged against one another.
And since we're on Northern Ireland, I'd never heard of him, but seems like this chap who passed today was pretty significant. Back channels, where the real work happens.
Figures from across the political spectrum have paid tribute to Brendan Duddy, who died on Friday, aged 80.
Born on 10 June 1936, the Londonderry businessman become known as "Northern Ireland's secret peacemaker".
For more than 20 years, he acted as secret back-channel between the British government and the IRA leadership.
He was at the centre of a chain of events that ultimately led to the historic IRA ceasefire of 1994 and the Good Friday peace agreement.
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Night all.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/863505681021902848
(Obviously I wouldn't specifically bet with you, as you're a broken-brained meth-head who will welch on the bet. It's more of a general comment.)
the worst thing you could do to the planet is have children mind....at least on this count Theresa May is doing a very good job.....
What more evidence do you need? The cap fits.
Nice one Moldova, and kudos to Fox jr, who backed Portugal.
In all seriousness though K thank you though for your positivity....sometimes I need to hear this kind of upbeat thinking when I look at human beings....
Tally Ho!!
The 254 seats in Great Britain which UKIP is not contesting this time (including 17 - all in Scotland - that they didn't contest in 2015 either) recorded a total UKIP vote in 2015 of 1.25 million, representing 10.2% of the overall vote in those 254 seats. Not contesting this time costs UKIP 4.2% of the GB vote, taking them down from 12.9% to 8.7%, before any loss of support in the seats they are contesting.
Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference.
Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.
The disclosure comes the week after Corbyn said that Britain had not fought a just war since 1945, although he supported some peacekeeping operations.
The protest was organised by activists from the Troops Out Movement, closely linked to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jeremy-corbyn-was-arrested-at-ira-demo-brighton-bomber-solidarity-protest-old-bailey-labour-gd3tnhmrt
"The prime minister's relentlessly repeated slogan - "strong and stable" - had not been heard by any of this group."
Sorry to say it clearly didn't bother his colleagues at the time or any of his many voters over many decades.
Documentation about the picket was discovered by The Sunday Times in the Troops Out archive, now held at the Bishopsgate Institute in London.
At the time, Corbyn had been the MP for Islington North for three years. The files include a handwritten letter from him, on House of Commons headed notepaper, to Sal Jenkinson, a Troops Out activist who helped organise the protest. “Thanks for your help, hope you get out as I did! All the best, Jeremy.”
Jenkinson replies: “Thanks for your support in coming on the picket and being arrested . . . See you at Snow Hill if not before.”
Showtime is Tuesday 30th May until Thursday 8th June.
Sir Lynton Keith Crosby
It must be very nice viewing the world through such a black and white ideological prism.....a bit like ISIS
And since we're on Northern Ireland, I'd never heard of him, but seems like this chap who passed today was pretty significant. Back channels, where the real work happens.
Figures from across the political spectrum have paid tribute to Brendan Duddy, who died on Friday, aged 80.
Born on 10 June 1936, the Londonderry businessman become known as "Northern Ireland's secret peacemaker".
For more than 20 years, he acted as secret back-channel between the British government and the IRA leadership.
He was at the centre of a chain of events that ultimately led to the historic IRA ceasefire of 1994 and the Good Friday peace agreement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39906980
Cabinet ministers and advisers who served under Mrs Thatcher have told The Sunday Telegraph of their fears about Mrs May’s economic direction.
The Prime Minister has already announced an energy price cap and is expected to clamp down on executive pay and empower workers on boards in her election pitch.
Her more interventionist economics, which is part of an election strategy to win over traditional Labour voters, has triggered a backlash among some Tory grandees.
Lord Tebbit, who held the trade and employment briefs under Mrs Thatcher, said Mrs May “would be wise” to “extend” the Iron Lady’s free-market thinking.
“We should not be drawn to the Left in order to occupy the mythical central ground between us and our principal opponent”, he warned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/dont-abandon-thatchers-free-market-economics-tory-grandees-warn/
Night all.
BTW...this is my first night sitting down watching normal TV with a remote control at home for nearly 6 years...I got it installed yesterday....
But then, like the Labour left such people don't like it when politicians attempt to reach out to anyone. Wait for them to come to you, they say.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-systems-failed-with-comey-firing-but-trump-pushed-the-buttons/2017/05/13/e9db104e-375c-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html?utm_term=.75cec8930b3a
It's coming from the arch-Thatcherites as well.
That situation probably won't have changed much by polling day either.
As for the Conservatives, it's nearly a month until we vote, and the manifesto hasn't even been launched yet. Give Sir Lynton time...
Last time much of the Tory targeting of Lib Dems was done under the radar.
On the other hand Hilary was campaigning in Arizona in the final days of the US campaign last year..
BTW, Electoral Calculus aka Martin Baxter has now adjusted his individual seat vote-share predictions to take account of parties such as the Greens and UKIP not contesting. He awards, e.g. 50% of UKIP to Con in those cases. I did raise with him on Twitter whether he would adjust his GB vote shares accordingly. He said it was a "super question" but he hasn't done so as yet. :-)
One problem might be that pollsters could already be taking the lack of UKIP etc into account. I saw one poll that asked respondents something along the lines of "Which party among those likely to be standing in your constituency...."
Now that he has adjusted his projected constituency shares, I could go through them all and work out a GB vote share, but that's for another day...
The Lib Dems after the election admitted they thought it was further proof that Cameron and Crosby didn't have scooby about politics in this country.
Why the eff was Cameron wasting him time in seats with Lib Dem majorities of up to 13,000 when the national polls had the Tories tied with Labour.
I didn't even know that Ukip had withdrawn in my constituency until I went to look at the SOPN after the issue was raised on here. How many voters are that inquisitive?
An awful lot of Ukip voters in particular aren't going to know that their preferred party isn't standing until they arrive in the polling booth and unfold the ballot paper.
GEs in the UK are fiendishly difficult.
First you have to guess the vote, then the seats.
Even if these slightly better polls for Labour are right it could be the absolute mother of all beatings.
Instead Labour have elected a terrorist sympathizer backed up by a self confessed Marxist. I am not sure what the Tories are playing at, I would have every single Tory talking head have some patter down to a tee in order to crow bar this into every interview.
Ed Miliband got far more the shit machine treatment and I would say at worst he is a bit of plonker who sees an idea that is written in a textbook and convinces himself it will definitely work in the real world. He certainly doesn't support the IRA or put up with antisemitic holocaust deniers as part of his inner circle.
Something along the lines of "UKIP are not standing here, the only way to deliver a strong and stable Brexit....blabla...vote Conservative"
But assuming that the vast bulk are not aware, a 5% typical recent share for UKIP would translate to c. 3% taking account of their absence in 40% of GB seats. Douglas Carswell predicted "1, 2, 3%".
Her conservatism harks back to 1950's-70's consensus politics. She doesn't seem to be particularly ideological about the size - and role - of the state.
IMO, this internal tory tension will define her government.
At any given time we note the values and arguments a party has and say "right! That defines the party!" And then lots of books get written and we think we understand it. And then they change, and we scratch our heads and go "huh?" But the shape we impose on them is only ever temporary: analysis has its limits.
Ugh.