< Can't disagree with either of you there really. But I'd also argue that when you get LDs in unwinnable seats taking this stance, under present circumstances, it harms the prospects of LDs in winnable seats. I don't think, strategically, it's very bright.
With Jeremy Corbyn in power, the LDs had a once-in-a-generation opportunity to become the main party of the left - a necessary first step to being the main party of government, which is presumably a long-term ambition. I don't think it's an opportunity their grasping very cleverly.
The first paragraph is entirely fair and I can't argue with it.
As for the second, given the pounding the Party took in 2015, it's unrealistic to expect, barely two years later, the Party to be in a position to supplant Labour.
Back in 1981 which is the other obvious parallel, it took the schism within Labour to create the opportunity for a "new" party to come through. IF a new Party is formed after the GE, it needs to be in a position to attract disillusioned Conservatives when (not, if) the May Government hits its midterm.
Whether the Liberals alone could have prospered to the degree the eventual Alliance did seems unlikely.
There is a place in the UK for a globalist, open society, socially liberal, pro-business party that takes similar positions to those of Tony Blair or David Cameron in their governments. Almost Gladstonian liberalism.
Perhaps there is, but it will inevitably be a minority position. Blair and Cameron managed to form governments only because the bulk of their parties remained loyal to their leaders despite not necessarily agreeing with what they said.
Initially a minority position, yes. Your aim is to get to the main stream. It doesn't often happen, but it can - most recently with the SNP in Scotland. The interesting thing is how much ground the two main parties have abandoned in the past couple of years. I wouldn't say the Conservative Party is even that pro-business these days.
I assume the NHS keep backups? Seems like in a situation like this better to nuke the whole thing and load from a clean copy.
Correct. Desktops should have nothing important on them, servers for files, mail and databases should be backed up to tape and able to be restored within a few hours with little loss.
IF (and it's a bloody massive IF) the backups are actually working, regularly tested and ready to go. For too many organisations in this scenario that isn't the case and they find the easiest way to deal with the ransomware is to pay the ransom. This just encourages the c**** to keep doing it.
The problem is what you do in the meantime, if you have a weekend of not being able to record electronically
< Can't disagree with either of you there really. But I'd also argue that when you get LDs in unwinnable seats taking this stance, under present circumstances, it harms the prospects of LDs in winnable seats. I don't think, strategically, it's very bright.
With Jeremy Corbyn in power, the LDs had a once-in-a-generation opportunity to become the main party of the left - a necessary first step to being the main party of government, which is presumably a long-term ambition. I don't think it's an opportunity their grasping very cleverly.
The first paragraph is entirely fair and I can't argue with it.
As for the second, given the pounding the Party took in 2015, it's unrealistic to expect, barely two years later, the Party to be in a position to supplant Labour.
Back in 1981 which is the other obvious parallel, it took the schism within Labour to create the opportunity for a "new" party to come through. IF a new Party is formed after the GE, it needs to be in a position to attract disillusioned Conservatives when (not, if) the May Government hits its midterm.
Whether the Liberals alone could have prospered to the degree the eventual Alliance did seems unlikely.
There is a place in the UK for a globalist, open society, socially liberal, pro-business party that takes similar positions to those of Tony Blair or David Cameron in their governments. Almost Gladstonian liberalism. That isn't the Lib Dems in their current form. Equally there isn't a party in the UK right now which occupies that space. The Lib Dems would seem the obvious party to do so, but they would need to transform themselves. Disruption is uncomfortable.
(If you could change Pro-Business to Pro-Free enterprise, it would be more accurate IMHO)
I agree there is a place, and I would love to join such a party and give my all to getting it some power, and I'm still hopeful that the LD will some day become that party again.
For the moment the LibDems obsession with the EU is not letting that happen, and is putting off people like me, and I would include others like Douglass Carswell and Dan Hannan, who both fit the description you describe.
For the moment the people running the Lib Dems are just as obsess with Identity Politics, and 'nationalism' as the rest, its just that the nation they identify with is called the EU.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
Plenty of W7 around, it's still the corporate gold standard for new rollouts today and is fine if set up properly. XP is well out of date now, but a lot of old business software still can't run on anything newer. There are ways around this using technology like virtual machines and Citrix application virtualisation, but it's a big problem for any organisation. See my earlier comment about government IT generally being obsolete before it's even delivered.
Session: 2004-05 Date tabled: 14.12.2004 Primary sponsor: Smith, Llew Sponsors: That this House welcomes John Pilger's column for the New Statesman issue of 13th December, reminding readers of the devastating human cost of the so-termed 'humanitarian' invasion of Kosovo, led by NATO and the United States in the Spring of 1999, without any sanction of the United Nations Security Council; congratulates John Pilger on his expose of the fraudulent justifications for intervening in a 'genocide' that never really existed in Kosovo; recalls President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen claimed, entirely without foundation, that 'we've now seen about 100,000 military-aged [Albanian] men missing.....they may have been murdered' and that David Scheffer, the US ambassador-at-large for war crimes, announced with equal inaccuracy that as many as '225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59' may have been killed; recalls that the leader of a Spanish forensic team sent to Kosovo returned home, complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of 'a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one mass grave'; further recalls that one year later, the International War Crimes Tribunal, a body de facto set up by NATO, announced that the final count of bodies found in Kosovo's 'mass graves' was 2,788; believes the pollution impact of the bombing of Kosovo is still emerging, including the impact of the use of depleted uranium munitions; and calls on the Government to provide full assistance in the clean up of Kosovo. https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2004-05/392
We should: 1. make every effort to identify the attackers. 2. make every legal effort to bring them to justice. 3. demand that the host nation(s) take action. 4. reserve the right to respond by force against the attackers.
Well, it's saved Corbyn from having his foreign "policy" views more widely aired on tonight's TV news.
Plenty of W7 around, it's still the corporate gold standard for new rollouts today and is fine if set up properly. XP is well out of date now, but a lot of old business software still can't run on anything newer. There are ways around this using technology like virtual machines and Citrix application virtualisation, but it's a big problem for any organisation. See my earlier comment about government IT generally being obsolete before it's even delivered.
Even 7 is quite outdated, it's an 8 year old operating system with the guts of a 10 year old one. Miles better than XP but not as good as 8 and 10.
It's criminal to run stuff on XP if it can be virtualised, about the only good reason to keep running XP is if it is hardware related, say you have an expensive card or peripheral and there are no newer drivers.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
There was a Labour MP on 5 live this morning trying to defend Corbyn's defence strategy.
Anyone who believes that Corbyn is not a pacifist needs help.
40 years of quotes says otherwise...now with a few weeks to a GE he has had a road to Damascus conversion...about as believable as him supporting Remain in the Brexit vote.
I wouldn't want the job of selling it, but I don't think Corbyn's position has ever been pacifist and compared to what we have had since the world war, I think it probably is an improvement. The trouble is that people never think about defence rationally. ( I am a person too so I include myself.) But there are very few wars in history that don't turn out in retrospect to have been a bad idea. Unfortunately THE war we all remember is an exception.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
Supposedly Microsoft have fixed the exploit but obviously NHS IT have not applied it everywhere.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
If it's ransomware (new word for me) what do they want?
As I understand it, some treatment systems (radiography for example) run on XP , the vendor has not updated the system, and they are not allowed to patch in case it breaks anything
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
If it's ransomware (new word for me) what do they want?
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
A lot of our computers are on XP or 7. They are up to 10 years old and need hardware jpgrades to work software.
No internet, email or booking system working at present, but maybe just our IT quarantining everything.
It is going to be a big incident. Real risk to patients.
I have just heard Iain Dale on LBC say that events like this hacking could possibly turn the GE in Labour's favour. These bloody people, it's all about creating a cheap headline.
We should: 1. make every effort to identify the attackers. 2. make every legal effort to bring them to justice. 3. demand that the host nation(s) take action. 4. reserve the right to respond by force against the attackers.
Jeremy Corbyn's just been on and wonders whether it might be a tad OTT to start a shooting war against a nuclear power over a £500 ransomware attack. The hackers could be French, you see.
I assume the NHS keep backups? Seems like in a situation like this better to nuke the whole thing and load from a clean copy.
Correct. Desktops should have nothing important on them, servers for files, mail and databases should be backed up to tape and able to be restored within a few hours with little loss.
IF (and it's a bloody massive IF) the backups are actually working, regularly tested and ready to go. For too many organisations in this scenario that isn't the case and they find the easiest way to deal with the ransomware is to pay the ransom. This just encourages the c**** to keep doing it.
The problem is what you do in the meantime, if you have a weekend of not being able to record electronically
A good IT team should be able to do the primary recovery of servers in a couple of hours, then start on the desktops in order of priority. If they're well prepared it should all be back up again overnight with not a lot of sleep involved. If they can't to that they should be collecting P45s on Monday morning.
I have just heard Iain Dale on LBC say that events like this hacking could possibly turn the GE in Labour's favour. These bloody people, it's all about creating a cheap headline.
LOL, you could sink the south of England and it wouldn't turn this in Labour's favour.
Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
If it's ransomware (new word for me) what do they want?
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
I doubt the completeness of figures like that. That's probably not counting any wages for instance which is probably accounted for elsewhere in the budget. £20k including wages and £20k excluding wages are two very different things.
I assume the NHS keep backups? Seems like in a situation like this better to nuke the whole thing and load from a clean copy.
Correct. Desktops should have nothing important on them, servers for files, mail and databases should be backed up to tape and able to be restored within a few hours with little loss.
IF (and it's a bloody massive IF) the backups are actually working, regularly tested and ready to go. For too many organisations in this scenario that isn't the case and they find the easiest way to deal with the ransomware is to pay the ransom. This just encourages the c**** to keep doing it.
The problem is what you do in the meantime, if you have a weekend of not being able to record electronically
A good IT team should be able to do the primary recovery of servers in a couple of hours, then start on the desktops in order of priority. If they're well prepared it should all be back up again overnight with not a lot of sleep involved. If they can't to that they should be collecting P45s on Monday morning.
This weekend we find out how good NHS IT back-up date planning is.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
We should: 1. make every effort to identify the attackers. 2. make every legal effort to bring them to justice. 3. demand that the host nation(s) take action. 4. reserve the right to respond by force against the attackers.
Jeremy Corbyn's just been on and wonders whether it might be a tad OTT to start a shooting war against a nuclear power over a £500 ransomware attack. The hackers could be French, you see.
I have just heard Iain Dale on LBC say that events like this hacking could possibly turn the GE in Labour's favour.
How?
You want the most incompetent political operation in living memory to sort out life critical IT issues?
And IIRC, the NHS IT outsource that went hideously wrong pre-dates the Tories in power
Because the NHS is transparently obviously not safe in Tory hands and Jezza is going to renationalise everything including the bits of the NHS that Labour opened up to private competition/outsourcing, and the NHS will thereafter flourish in the safety of the mother's womb that is a Labour government.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Real-time virus scanning should have picked up the ransomware trojan when the use clicked on it surely?
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
A lot of our computers are on XP or 7. They are up to 10 years old and need hardware jpgrades to work software.
No internet, email or booking system working at present, but maybe just our IT quarantining everything.
It is going to be a big incident. Real risk to patients.
Good luck, and hope that your IT team are the well trained and prepared professionals they should be. Hopefully they can get things back running quickly and with minimal disruption to the clinical side of things.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
What measures is he proposing? People not being able to click on things?
The heart will say Lab is the only party which wants to look after the NHS. The head will say the Cons is the only party competent enough to look after the NHS.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
What measures is he proposing? People not being able to click on things?
I don't work in IT but all the IT professionals I've ever worked with start from the assumption that users will click on things they shouldn't and plan accordingly.
A cancer in the labour party...This guy gets the full house, anti queen, anti national anthem , anti army, anti help for heroes and of course anti-Semitic / Zionist stuff.
< Can't disagree with either of you there really. But I'd also argue that when you get LDs in unwinnable seats taking this stance, under present circumstances, it harms the prospects of LDs in winnable seats. I don't think, strategically, it's very bright.
With Jeremy Corbyn in power, the LDs had a once-in-a-generation opportunity to become the main party of the left - a necessary first step to being the main party of government, which is presumably a long-term ambition. I don't think it's an opportunity their grasping very cleverly.
The first paragraph is entirely fair and I can't argue with it.
As for the second, given the pounding the Party took in 2015, it's unrealistic to expect, barely two years later, the Party to be in a position to supplant Labour.
Back in 1981 which is the other obvious parallel, it took the schism within Labour to create the opportunity for a "new" party to come through. IF a new Party is formed after the GE, it needs to be in a position to attract disillusioned Conservatives when (not, if) the May Government hits its midterm.
Whether the Liberals alone could have prospered to the degree the eventual Alliance did seems unlikely.
There is a place in the UK for a globalist, open society, socially liberal, pro-business party that takes similar positions to those of Tony Blair or David Cameron in their governments. Almost Gladstonian liberalism. That isn't the Lib Dems in their current form. Equally there isn't a party in the UK right now which occupies that space. The Lib Dems would seem the obvious party to do so, but they would need to transform themselves. Disruption is uncomfortable.
(If you could change Pro-Business to Pro-Free enterprise, it would be more accurate IMHO)
I agree there is a place, and I would love to join such a party and give my all to getting it some power, and I'm still hopeful that the LD will some day become that party again.
For the moment the LibDems obsession with the EU is not letting that happen, and is putting off people like me, and I would include others like Douglass Carswell and Dan Hannan, who both fit the description you describe.
For the moment the people running the Lib Dems are just as obsess with Identity Politics, and 'nationalism' as the rest, its just that the nation they identify with is called the EU.
To the extent Brexit is bad for business, there's an opportunity for the Lib Dems or another party to be the advocates of closer relationships with the EU, without necessarily rerunning the referendum. At the moment they are too worried about what Leave voting Lib Dems night think to take that opportunity and so end up indistinguishable from the other parties. That's not a great position for a minority party with ambitions.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
What measures is he proposing? People not being able to click on things?
Pretty much yes! How about people not having access to internet or email on critical machines? Can't click on a dodgy link if you're not able to get to the dodgy links.
Where I used to work business-critical functions operated in a hermetically sealed bubble. It was frustrating but it worked.
Machines that are critical to running the operations of A&E should be fully firewalled and not used to play candy crush saga or able to go to whatever dodgy link got the infection.
Please, please, please, will you back against Salmond in Gordon. I can't really back for him now at 1-8 at Hills. This means (as was explained to me in the shop ) that I have to put 8 pounds on to win but ONE!
However, if you Moniker and other PB Tories put your money where your salavating mouths are then the odds will change and I will be able to add substantially to my pension pot.
One thing you should know though. On Wednesday night I was canvassing with the Salmond team in Bridge of Don in the outskirts of Aberdeen. I was entrusted with tallying up the canvas cards. The scores on the boards - 57 per cent for Salmond and the rest split between undecideds and the other three parties.
We should: 1. make every effort to identify the attackers. 2. make every legal effort to bring them to justice. 3. demand that the host nation(s) take action. 4. reserve the right to respond by force against the attackers.
Jeremy Corbyn's just been on and wonders whether it might be a tad OTT to start a shooting war against a nuclear power over a £500 ransomware attack. The hackers could be French, you see.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
What measures is he proposing? People not being able to click on things?
Pretty much yes! How about people not having access to internet or email on critical machines? Can't click on a dodgy link if you're not able to get to the dodgy links.
Where I used to work business-critical functions operated in a hermetically sealed bubble. It was frustrating but it worked.
Machines that are critical to running the operations of A&E should be fully firewalled and not used to play candy crush saga or able to go to whatever dodgy link got the infection.
Well, it's saved Corbyn from having his foreign "policy" views more widely aired on tonight's TV news.
Build new subs and nukes, but never under any circumstances use them. Totally bonkers, de facto unilateral disarmament without any cost saving.
The MoD offices are going to be lovely though and loads of non-jobs where all you have to do all day is consider how to encourage LGBT members of the armed forces to give up smoking..
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
What measures is he proposing? People not being able to click on things?
Pretty much yes! How about people not having access to internet or email on critical machines? Can't click on a dodgy link if you're not able to get to the dodgy links.
Where I used to work business-critical functions operated in a hermetically sealed bubble. It was frustrating but it worked.
Machines that are critical to running the operations of A&E should be fully firewalled and not used to play candy crush saga or able to go to whatever dodgy link got the infection.
Yeah, I get that. I was just being a bit cheeky
LOL I didn't get that. It was funny at my old job how often I found the internet browser (that only worked on the companies internal intranet) left with a URL on a page like Facebook or Gmail etc and an error message that it couldn't find that website. Just because you couldn't get online wouldn't mean people would try and people would get surprisingly annoyed that they were not allowed to get on the internet as if its some human right to check your Facebook on a work computer while working.
I don't know how it works in the NHS but it wouldn't surprise me if these infected machines allowed people to go onto their emails which allowed in the virus.
NHS attack 'could have been prevented', says security expert Adam Jinkerson BBC Local Live Posted at 17:54 Dr Mils Hills, who is an associate professor of risk, resilience and corporate security at the University of Northampton, has told the BBC the cyber attack on the NHS "could have been prevented".
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Yeah, could have been prevented if someone hadn't clicked on something. What a genius.
Might be why he works at university of northampton ;-)
What measures is he proposing? People not being able to click on things?
I don't work in IT but all the IT professionals I've ever worked with start from the assumption that users will click on things they shouldn't and plan accordingly.
I don't work in IT but all the IT professionals I've ever worked with start from the assumption that users will click on things they shouldn't and plan accordingly.
Users will press ALL the buttons, even when you tell them not to do so.
Did I see Corbyn reading from a pre-scripted note in answer to a journalist's question on the news? Seriously? And this fella is trying to convince millions of people that he has the intellectual capacity to be a Prime Minister? God's blood, I doubt he could hold his own from gentle quizzing at the Local Allotment Association.
He's not a suitable friend candidate for you. His NFL loyalties are problematic
I was in Philly recently. I brought my Cowboy supporting neighbour back some Eagles swag
So that's one less friend for you then!
I used to live near Philly and went to games at The Vet. The hate of the Philly fans was amazing - particularly towards Dallas. What made it worse for them was that Dallas didn't hate them back.
As you know of course, I am not a fan. If I was I would have worn Dallas attire, and would probably not be here today.
Dallas plays Atlanta here on Nov 12th. It's Tony Romo's first Dallas game as a commentator on CBS.
As a matter of interest, the Cowboys have only 2 1pm starts next season. They have at least 5 prime time games, and several will be the second game of double headers. The Boys are back.
Please, please, please, will you back against Salmond in Gordon. I can't really back for him now at 1-8 at Hills. This means (as was explained to me in the shop ) that I have to put 8 pounds on to win but ONE!
However, if you Moniker and other PB Tories put your money where your salavating mouths are then the odds will change and I will be able to add substantially to my pension pot.
One thing you should know though. On Wednesday night I was canvassing with the Salmond team in Bridge of Don in the outskirts of Aberdeen. I was entrusted with tallying up the canvas cards. The scores on the boards - 57 per cent for Salmond and the rest split between undecideds and the other three parties.
So Moniker please please get on and make my day.
So you're worried about backing five-bellies six-pensions Eck. Scotslass, thy name is frailty.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
A lot of our computers are on XP or 7. They are up to 10 years old and need hardware jpgrades to work software.
No internet, email or booking system working at present, but maybe just our IT quarantining everything.
It is going to be a big incident. Real risk to patients.
Good luck, and hope that your IT team are the well trained and prepared professionals they should be. Hopefully they can get things back running quickly and with minimal disruption to the clinical side of things.
Apparently in Leicester we do have the malware. Our new Emergency dept is all elecronic.
This is a general attack on older PC's by the look of it.
A year ago I kinda forced my parents (in their 70's) to replace their "But it still works fine!" windows Vista laptop with something newer and more secure. Very glad I did. They just don't understand the false economy of running obsolete tech - and as they age, their willingness to try new ways of doing things is sadly declining. After a lot of resistance - and a few hiccups - they've got their heads around their new chromebook & ipad.
Anyway, just to say, it may be worth gently prompting vulnerable friends/relatives still using xp/vista PC's to invest in something more secure.
Many elderly/vulnerable people using tech are, unfortunately, sitting ducks for the bad guys.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
A lot of our computers are on XP or 7. They are up to 10 years old and need hardware jpgrades to work software.
No internet, email or booking system working at present, but maybe just our IT quarantining everything.
It is going to be a big incident. Real risk to patients.
Good luck, and hope that your IT team are the well trained and prepared professionals they should be. Hopefully they can get things back running quickly and with minimal disruption to the clinical side of things.
Apparently in Leicester we do have the malware. Our new Emergency dept is all elecronic.
Hope they get it all sorted quickly. Have someone send coffee and pizza to the IT department, that usually makes things happen quicker
This ransomware attack can only be good for Corbyn. After all, his vision of taking Britain back to the 1970s would mean that these attack vectors wouldn't exist.
UKIPs idea of taking Britain back to the 1950s would be even better, as ARPAnet hadn't even been invented.
Sky news just had a cyber security guy on who said some nhs trusts are spending as little as £20k a year on cyber security ie one poorly qualified IT person .
What fraction of NHS computers are running an outdated version of Windows*? I would guess at in excess of 50%. Just from eyeballing it when I hospitals I see a lot of what looks like XP running, and PCs left unlocked, and users apparently sharing accounts.
* Before anyone says it, I know Microsoft still offers patches all the way back to XP for paying customers, but the security architecture of XP is miles behind Vista or Windows 7, which in turn are far behind Windows 8 or 10. I personally wouldn't run anything older than Windows 10.
For this sort of ransomware, the OS is less important than how it got onto the system in the first place which was probably someone clicking a link in a phishing email. The bad guys have changed tack recently.
A lot of our computers are on XP or 7. They are up to 10 years old and need hardware jpgrades to work software.
No internet, email or booking system working at present, but maybe just our IT quarantining everything.
It is going to be a big incident. Real risk to patients.
Good luck, and hope that your IT team are the well trained and prepared professionals they should be. Hopefully they can get things back running quickly and with minimal disruption to the clinical side of things.
Apparently in Leicester we do have the malware. Our new Emergency dept is all elecronic.
Hope they get it all sorted quickly. Have someone send coffee and pizza to the IT department, that usually makes things happen quicker
I found some Microsoft warning text online:
You must not grant the right to use the software in any application or situation where the software failure could lead to death or serious bodily injury of any person, or to severe physical or environmental damage (“High Risk Use”). Examples of High Risk Use include, but are not limited to: aircraft or other modes of human mass transportation, nuclear or chemical facilities, life support systems, implantable medical equipment, motor vehicles, or weaponry systems
Quite. Their disclaimer seems to cover any section of the NHS that hopes to provide emergency treatment.
"The polite term for what's happening is a bloodbath. The impolite version is dumpster fire clown shoes shit show," Tentler said. "I'm hopeful this is the wakeup moment for people over patching Windows machines."
Well, that was one of my more interesting afternoons as an NHS senior manager. I havent read the thread but some quick observations.
The IT team are worth their weight in gold. Organisations that are upto date with their security patches were ok (we were) in terms of the infection. The interdependence of NHS IT systems between organisations is extensive and complex. As a result the preventative measures taken widely (shutdown external links) created operational difficulties on a scale larger than the infection and affected mist organisations. NHS staff of all disciplines respond superbly in these types of scenarios.
A cancer in the labour party...This guy gets the full house, anti queen, anti national anthem , anti army, anti help for heroes and of course anti-Semitic / Zionist stuff.
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KG, KT and the RVO
(If you could change Pro-Business to Pro-Free enterprise, it would be more accurate IMHO)
I agree there is a place, and I would love to join such a party and give my all to getting it some power, and I'm still hopeful that the LD will some day become that party again.
For the moment the LibDems obsession with the EU is not letting that happen, and is putting off people like me, and I would include others like Douglass Carswell and Dan Hannan, who both fit the description you describe.
For the moment the people running the Lib Dems are just as obsess with Identity Politics, and 'nationalism' as the rest, its just that the nation they identify with is called the EU.
Since you're here, not sure you saw this...
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/The-Force-Is-Strong-With-This-Eagles-Fan/db28cd7d-6303-41b0-9a56-53d3ac128c39
JOHN PILGER AND KOSOVO
Session: 2004-05
Date tabled: 14.12.2004
Primary sponsor: Smith, Llew
Sponsors:
That this House welcomes John Pilger's column for the New Statesman issue of 13th December, reminding readers of the devastating human cost of the so-termed 'humanitarian' invasion of Kosovo, led by NATO and the United States in the Spring of 1999, without any sanction of the United Nations Security Council; congratulates John Pilger on his expose of the fraudulent justifications for intervening in a 'genocide' that never really existed in Kosovo; recalls President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen claimed, entirely without foundation, that 'we've now seen about 100,000 military-aged [Albanian] men missing.....they may have been murdered' and that David Scheffer, the US ambassador-at-large for war crimes, announced with equal inaccuracy that as many as '225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59' may have been killed; recalls that the leader of a Spanish forensic team sent to Kosovo returned home, complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of 'a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one mass grave'; further recalls that one year later, the International War Crimes Tribunal, a body de facto set up by NATO, announced that the final count of bodies found in Kosovo's 'mass graves' was 2,788; believes the pollution impact of the bombing of Kosovo is still emerging, including the impact of the use of depleted uranium munitions; and calls on the Government to provide full assistance in the clean up of Kosovo.
https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2004-05/392
Don't attend accident and emergency unless it's an emergency.
It's criminal to run stuff on XP if it can be virtualised, about the only good reason to keep running XP is if it is hardware related, say you have an expensive card or peripheral and there are no newer drivers.
And the Cons haven't even started yet.
Let's have cyan or Justin123 here now telling us that we should be focusing on fox hunting.
Presumably Jezzas fault.
No internet, email or booking system working at present, but maybe just our IT quarantining everything.
It is going to be a big incident. Real risk to patients.
Have a look at Verizon's 2017 DBIR (data breach investigation report -- compiled from many sources including the US and European governments aiui). You do not need to register -- select download only.
http://www.verizonenterprise.com/resources/reports/rp_data-breach-digest-2017-perspective-is-reality_xg_en.pdf
You want the most incompetent political operation in living memory to sort out life critical IT issues?
And IIRC, the NHS IT outsource that went hideously wrong pre-dates the Tories in power
"It's most certainly going to have come from a user clicking something they shouldn't have, whether it's in an email or on an internet browser tab," he said.
"Hospitals should have measures to prevent this.
"It will be fixed and removed, but it will cost a lot. The task to fix it won't be difficult, but will be time-consuming.
"The problem is this is a pretty low-level attack and it's causing such chaos."
Is how.
On the NHS cyber attack, I see no trusts in Wales have been hacked. Do they have computers there?
It transpired that some people were using domain controllers to check their email.
This is a bad idea that leads to bad things.
So now they can't. There are other systems with similar restrictions in place, now.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/12/top-new-corbyn-aide-mocked-queen-army-national-anthem/
Where I used to work business-critical functions operated in a hermetically sealed bubble. It was frustrating but it worked.
Machines that are critical to running the operations of A&E should be fully firewalled and not used to play candy crush saga or able to go to whatever dodgy link got the infection.
Please, please, please, will you back against Salmond in Gordon. I can't really back for him now at 1-8 at Hills. This means (as was explained to me in the shop ) that I have to put 8 pounds on to win but ONE!
However, if you Moniker and other PB Tories put your money where your salavating mouths are then the odds will change and I will be able to add substantially to my pension pot.
One thing you should know though. On Wednesday night I was canvassing with the Salmond team in Bridge of Don in the outskirts of Aberdeen. I was entrusted with tallying up the canvas cards. The scores on the boards - 57 per cent for Salmond and the rest split between undecideds and the other three parties.
So Moniker please please get on and make my day.
https://twitter.com/ian_a_jones/status/863079073681211392
I don't know how it works in the NHS but it wouldn't surprise me if these infected machines allowed people to go onto their emails which allowed in the virus.
Unreal.
I used to live near Philly and went to games at The Vet. The hate of the Philly fans was amazing - particularly towards Dallas. What made it worse for them was that Dallas didn't hate them back.
As you know of course, I am not a fan. If I was I would have worn Dallas attire, and would probably not be here today.
Dallas plays Atlanta here on Nov 12th. It's Tony Romo's first Dallas game as a commentator on CBS.
As a matter of interest, the Cowboys have only 2 1pm starts next season. They have at least 5 prime time games, and several will be the second game of double headers. The Boys are back.
- at least that's what I'm told by a fan.
This is a general attack on older PC's by the look of it.
A year ago I kinda forced my parents (in their 70's) to replace their "But it still works fine!" windows Vista laptop with something newer and more secure. Very glad I did. They just don't understand the false economy of running obsolete tech - and as they age, their willingness to try new ways of doing things is sadly declining. After a lot of resistance - and a few hiccups - they've got their heads around their new chromebook & ipad.
Anyway, just to say, it may be worth gently prompting vulnerable friends/relatives still using xp/vista PC's to invest in something more secure.
Many elderly/vulnerable people using tech are, unfortunately, sitting ducks for the bad guys.
https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/863083494389538817
Perhaps pledge additional redundancy in the NHS in the hope Jez misunderstands.
UKIPs idea of taking Britain back to the 1950s would be even better, as ARPAnet hadn't even been invented.
You must not grant the right to use the software in any application or situation where the software failure could lead to death or serious bodily injury of any person, or to severe physical or environmental damage (“High Risk Use”). Examples of High Risk Use include, but are not limited to: aircraft or other modes of human mass transportation, nuclear or chemical facilities, life support systems, implantable medical equipment, motor vehicles, or weaponry systems
Quite. Their disclaimer seems to cover any section of the NHS that hopes to provide emergency treatment.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/14/latest_shadow_brokers_data_dump/
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/21/windows_hacked_nsa_shadow_brokers/
"The polite term for what's happening is a bloodbath. The impolite version is dumpster fire clown shoes shit show," Tentler said. "I'm hopeful this is the wakeup moment for people over patching Windows machines."
Seriously thinking of heading back to UK for the summer, there's gonna be a lot of companies very worried about information security.
The IT team are worth their weight in gold.
Organisations that are upto date with their security patches were ok (we were) in terms of the infection.
The interdependence of NHS IT systems between organisations is extensive and complex.
As a result the preventative measures taken widely (shutdown external links) created operational difficulties on a scale larger than the infection and affected mist organisations.
NHS staff of all disciplines respond superbly in these types of scenarios.