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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Just the warm up for next month, it's going to get much worse
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2017
    "The super mayoralty results will mostly come during the day and it is hard to see anything other than big CON victories."

    Not sure about that.

    I agree it doesn't look good for labour though.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883
    The Lib Dems underachievement has to be one of the stories of the night.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    FPT:

    So far on the Labour defence list in England (maj<25%), they've lost 22 and held 9.

    The 9 they've held are:

    Warwick West
    Hitchin North
    Gloucester / Coney Hill & Matson
    Carlisle / Castle
    Carlisle / Harraby South
    Forest of Dean / Cinderford
    North Warwickshire / Polesworth
    Colchester / Maypole
    Copeland / Egremont
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    The Lib Dems underachievement has to be one of the stories highlights of the night
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2017
    Labour politician who lost Copeland by-election loses her council seat

    Wonder if Jezza will still be on the Christmas Multi-Faith Winter Holiday Card?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Artist said:

    The Lib Dems underachievement has to be one of the stories of the night.

    Doesn't appear Tiny Tim and his anti-Brexit message is doing very well.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2017

    Just the warm up for next month, it's going to get much worse

    I blame the rigged system and the Zionist mafia....cos if Twitter was anything to go by, Corbyn Party should be winning every seat.

    That's the Labour line at the moment right?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Rob - sorry to be fussy but a minor point on your main spreadsheet as I think it's open to misunderstanding - in the councillors table the word dissolution should just be above the 2nd column (2013) not over the 3rd column as well (2017).

    Otherwise it's not clear that the 2017 column represents councillors elected tonight.
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    Have these results had any effect on the GE betting markets yet?
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 725
    @PClipp, FPT, yes the Dorset Tory leader has lost his seat to the LDs, as well as Tessa Munt's opponent (who I hadn't realised was the Somerset council leader). So some high-profile consolations on what looks like a difficult night for the LDs. Friday is still young though!

    https://twitter.com/TRISTANPASCOE/status/860296383156367360
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Wales #LE2017 Seats LAB 105 (-23) IND 85 (+15) CON 42 (+10) LD 13 (-3) PC 12 (+1) as of 2.50am Source BBC
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    With approx 25% of UKIP held seats declared, UKIP has lost every single one.

    Down 35 vs 2013, down 28 vs dissolution.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Only 2 results from Cardiff so far in Bute Town and Lisvane.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Labour appear to be losing about 40% of the seats being defended in England which suggests their losses there will end up at circa 200. Their results in Wales look patchy with poor results partly offset by resonable performances in Newport and Flintshire.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    Just the warm up for next month, it's going to get much worse

    I blame the rigged system and the Zionist mafia....cos if Twitter was anything to go by, Corbyn Party should be winning every seat.

    That's the Labour line at the moment right?
    Stunned to discover retweets don't count as votes.......
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited May 2017
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    MikeL said:

    With approx 25% of UKIP held seats declared, UKIP has lost every single one.

    Down 35 vs 2013, down 28 vs dissolution.

    Entirely as expected, UKIP has served it's purpose well, but it's the Norwegian Blue of politics. Why vote for it when you've got a PM seemingly about to deliver a diamond hard Brexit?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    MikeL said:

    Rob - sorry to be fussy but a minor point on your main spreadsheet as I think it's open to misunderstanding - in the councillors table the word dissolution should just be above the 2nd column (2013) not over the 3rd column as well (2017).

    Otherwise it's not clear that the 2017 column represents councillors elected tonight.

    Yeah, can see how that might be confusing.
    Hopefully it's so similar to the other 2013 value that it doesn't cause an issue.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Might Lab hold on to some of their four seats in NE Wales?

    The swing in Flintshire would put all four on a knife-edge.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    Some of the best Tory gains so far:

    Copeland: Cleator Moor & Frizington (previously Lab maj 19.64%)
    Carlisle: Yewdale (21.31%)
    Barrow: Newbarns & Parkside (21.88%)
    Barrow: Dalton South (22.93%)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Do you have the 6 Tory seats in Tamworth / Staffordshire? 2 holds, 3 gains from Labour, 1 gain from Ind.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2017
    Political scientist Professor John Curtice says so far Labour has lost four out of the six seats it was trying to defend in Blaenau Gwent - in each case to independents.

    In Merthyr Tydfil, Labour has lost one out of the eight seats it was trying to defend.

    "It looks as though Labour's losses in Blaenau Gwent may be more serious than in Merthyr, while we should bear in mind that in neither case have the Conservatives so far made any advance," Prof Curtice says.
    Never a good night for the Tories in the world of Prof Curtice....
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Rob - great spreadsheet. But what is your data source? Surely you're not monitoring multiple council websites?

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Do you have the 6 Tory seats in Tamworth / Staffordshire? 2 holds, 3 gains from Labour, 1 gain from Ind.
    I do not. I can't see those on their website...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Rob - great spreadsheet. But what is your data source? Surely you're not monitoring multiple council websites?

    That I am.. I'm a madman :D
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited May 2017
    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Edit - snip
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    CON may take Isle of Wight, if they can nab the two UKIP seats and one independent seat.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Do you have the 6 Tory seats in Tamworth / Staffordshire? 2 holds, 3 gains from Labour, 1 gain from Ind.
    I do not. I can't see those on their website...
    Tamworth council have published the results here:

    http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/councillors_docs/SCC-ELECTIONS-RESULTS.pdf
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    MikeL said:

    Might Lab hold on to some of their four seats in NE Wales?

    The swing in Flintshire would put all four on a knife-edge.

    I was wondering that... current Welsh and National polling should see all four fall. I think the high Independent vote share makes detailed analysis difficult.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Rob - great spreadsheet. But what is your data source? Surely you're not monitoring multiple council websites?

    That I am.. I'm a madman :D
    You are a :star:
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited May 2017
    West of England Mayor:
    https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/860315407906988034
    This is Bristol only.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Labour lady elected mayor of Doncaster on first count.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Do you have the 6 Tory seats in Tamworth / Staffordshire? 2 holds, 3 gains from Labour, 1 gain from Ind.
    I do not. I can't see those on their website...
    Tamworth council have published the results here:

    http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/councillors_docs/SCC-ELECTIONS-RESULTS.pdf
    Nice find!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Rob - great spreadsheet. But what is your data source? Surely you're not monitoring multiple council websites?

    That I am.. I'm a madman :D
    You are a :star:
    I just wish the BBC would post charts/figures like these. I like seeing who the parties lost seats to, for example.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,963
    PaulM said:

    Have these results had any effect on the GE betting markets yet?

    The con majority 150-175 range has gone sharply down on BF, from about 12.5 earlier today to about 7 now.

    It's my biggest position at the moment, but I'm green on a Con majority of anything over 100, pretty damn green on anything over 150 and very green if the Lib Dems fail to secure 10 seats.

    Tonight has made me glad I put a few extra quid on this afternoon but much of tonight's result felt priced in by the evening.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Do you have the 6 Tory seats in Tamworth / Staffordshire? 2 holds, 3 gains from Labour, 1 gain from Ind.
    I do not. I can't see those on their website...
    Tamworth council have published the results here:

    http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/councillors_docs/SCC-ELECTIONS-RESULTS.pdf
    Nice find!
    I live nearby so I've been keeping on eye on it.
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621

    MikeL said:

    Might Lab hold on to some of their four seats in NE Wales?

    The swing in Flintshire would put all four on a knife-edge.

    I was wondering that... current Welsh and National polling should see all four fall. I think the high Independent vote share makes detailed analysis difficult.
    From ITV Wales report:

    "It certainly makes it impossible to extrapolate anything about what will happen in the Westminster election in those areas from the local results. On the other hand, Labour take encouragement from the result in Flintshire, where the Tories are expected to challenge hard for the county's two constituencies next month.

    Nevertheless, last week's YouGov poll for ITV Wales showed Labour narrowly in the lead when people were asked how they would vote in the local elections -and 12 points behind the Conservatives when it came to the General Election. "
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Labour lady elected mayor of Doncaster on first count.

    That's a very good result for Labour. It'll be interesting to see if it's reflected in the council results.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    West of England Mayor:
    https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/860315407906988034
    This is Bristol only.

    I don't think that election is a straight total jobbie...I think it is first and second preference one.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Ben Weisz‏ @BenRTWeisz 9m9 minutes ago

    (2/2) Labour up from 43 to 46%, but Tories up from 26 to 38% across Hastings #le2017
    (via BBC Sussex)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    PS - Are there any councils that are giving results that I am missing?

    Do you have the 6 Tory seats in Tamworth / Staffordshire? 2 holds, 3 gains from Labour, 1 gain from Ind.
    I do not. I can't see those on their website...
    Tamworth council have published the results here:

    http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/councillors_docs/SCC-ELECTIONS-RESULTS.pdf
    Nice find!
    I live nearby so I've been keeping on eye on it.
    I've only been putting in results from:

    Cumbria
    Dorset
    Essex
    Gloucestershire
    Hampshire
    Isle of Wight
    Lincolnshire
    Somerset
    Warwickshire

    I haven't even checked the other council website!
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 725
    edited May 2017
    Thrasher on Sky is saying the LD vote is up - presumably in the 'key wards' he and Rallings use to compile their NEV - but this is certainly not being reflected in seat gains at present. In fact the LDs are down in both England and Wales so far. Vote being put on in the wrong places?

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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    West of England Mayor:
    https://twitter.com/richardpayneitv/status/860315407906988034
    This is Bristol only.

    I don't think that election is a straight total jobbie...I think it is first and second preference one.
    Yeah I suspect this is just first preference.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    In other news, I am hugely glad I didn't put Wales in the spreadsheet :p
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Add Northumberland to that list. Was refreshing the wrong page :smiley:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    CON GAIN Isle of Wight. :o:D
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 725
    Tories gain Monmouthshire as per Sky.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Sky News- Report that Tories have gained Monmouthshire.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    UKIP wiped out in Lincolnshire.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Lincolnshire Final - UKIP zero seats.

    If UKIP can't win there, where can they win?

    A bad media for UKIP over these results can only help Con further at the GE.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Tories gained Lincs with 25 gains, Lab lost 5 and Ukip lost 14. (Sky)
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 725
    Lincolnshire seats

    Con 58 (+25)
    Lab 6 (-5)
    Ind 5 (-4)
    LD 1 (-2)
    UKIP 0 (-14)

    Sky say this doesn't bode well for Nuttall in Boston & Skeggie!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    I wonder what Prof Walter Mitty will have to say about UKIP's performance?
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Sky- Tories gain control of Isle of Wight.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Sky- Tories gain control of Isle of Wight.

    PB lightyears ahead!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited May 2017
    BBC seat tally so far = 588
    PB Google doc seat tally = 587

    :smiley:
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Con gain 21 from LD
    LD gain 9 from Con

    That doesn't look good for LD - especially as people are more inclined to vote LD at Locals.

    OK, it's a Locals like for like comparison but even so it doesn't hint at any GE recovery.

    And one might think Corbyn should be driving votes from Lab to LD.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    @Mike_L.. those figures may be out by a bit, because I don't have notional results for some of the councils.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    edited May 2017
    BBC:

    Political scientist Professor John Curtice says declarations so far from the English county councils are very much in line with the expectations generated by recent opinion polls.

    In summary:
    There is a very substantial swing from Labour to the Conservatives, which is currently averaging some seven points. If this continues this will point towards a strong double-digit Conservative lead over Labour across the country as a whole
    • The UKIP vote is collapsing heavily and so far is down on average by 16 points in wards they fought this time and last time
    • The Lib Dem performance is very patchy but at the moment the party is averaging an increase of three points. However, this is sometimes proving inadequate to enable the party to defend seats successfully against the rising Conservative tide. So hopes that this election might secure a significant restoration of the Lib Dems' former local government base look as though they will not be realised
    • These voting patterns are clearly reflected in the pattern of gains and losses so far with Labour losing about two in five of the seats it's trying to defend - while the Conservatives have already made 89 net gains and gained control of Warwickshire, Lincolnshire and Gloucestershire
    • The Lib Dems have lost a net 10 seats in England - while UKIP has lost every one of the 34 seats the party is trying to defend.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Sky- Lab retains control of Newport in Wales.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    edited May 2017
    Seven point swing from GE 2015 would give Con a 20 point lead over Labour.

    Though I guess Curtice is calculating the swing from 2013 when Lab was doing much better.
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    NeilVW said:

    Lincolnshire seats

    Con 58 (+25)
    Lab 6 (-5)
    Ind 5 (-4)
    LD 1 (-2)
    UKIP 0 (-14)

    Sky say this doesn't bode well for Nuttall in Boston & Skeggie!

    2013 result
    Con 36 (-24)
    Lab 12 (+8)
    UKIP 16 (+16)
    LD 3 (-2)
    In 8 (+4)

    So essentially tonight has just put Lincolnshire back to where it was prior to 2013.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited May 2017
    In Wales Labour seems to be losing circa 25% of the seats being defended so far . If anything that probably exceeds expectations in terms of seats held - though some losses are dramatic.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Sky- Tories gain control of Isle of Wight.

    Tories take 24 of 38 seats:

    https://www.iwight.com/electionresult2017/
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    my local seat just declared Lab and Ind HOLD Lampeter
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    AndyJS said:

    Sky- Tories gain control of Isle of Wight.

    Tories take 24 of 38 seats:

    https://www.iwight.com/electionresult2017/
    Final total 25/40.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    MikeL said:

    Seven point swing from GE 2015 would give Con a 20 point lead over Labour.

    Though I guess Curtice is calculating the swing from 2013 when Lab was doing much better.

    A 7% swing from the 2013 results would imply a Tory lead of circa 11%.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    MikeL said:

    Seven point swing from GE 2015 would give Con a 20 point lead over Labour.

    Though I guess Curtice is calculating the swing from 2013 when Lab was doing much better.

    About an 11% lead for the Conservatives.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,788
    If yesterday's psephologist comment (can't find it again) that the council results would represent 'a ceiling for Labour and a floor for the Conservatives' in the GE.......

    The Mayoral results will prove interesting and may give Labour false hope - and the Conservatives would be wise not to read too much into a John Lewis Conservative win in the West Midlands
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Redgeorgie‏ @RedGeorgieOne 2m2 minutes ago

    Let it be remembered that what finished Labour off in Blaenau Gwent was the bins. #BBCRadio4 #LE2017

    :lol:
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Thanks to you both - 11% lead is well below the polls but then as posted earlier in 1983 and 1987 the GE lead was far higher than the Locals.

    Though not sure why that should be expected to be the case?
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Daniel Chapman‏ @DanielChappers 56s57 seconds ago

    UKIP's Lisa Duffy on party losing all #LocalElections2017 seats so far: "I won't use the word disaster, I use the word challenging"#LE2017
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Final Somerset results:

    Conservative 35 (+6)
    Liberal Democrat 12 (-6)
    Labour 3 (-)
    Independent 3 (+1)
    Green Party 2 (+2)
    UKIP 0 (-3)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017

    Daniel Chapman‏ @DanielChappers 56s57 seconds ago

    UKIP's Lisa Duffy on party losing all #LocalElections2017 seats so far: "I won't use the word disaster, I use the word challenging"#LE2017

    UKIP are going to get about 10% of the vote and hardly any seats. Maybe the same thing will happen to the LDs at the general election...
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 725
    MikeL said:

    Lincolnshire Final - UKIP zero seats.

    If UKIP can't win there, where can they win?

    A bad media for UKIP over these results can only help Con further at the GE.

    Never mind a bet about winning a GE seat, will UKIP even hold a single council seat anywhere in the country? :lol:
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,788
    Charles Moore:

    Mr Verhofstadt was goading her at the decisive moment of her political career. So were the friends of Mr Juncker. It is not clear why. Are they so ignorant of the British electorate that they think they can make Mrs May reverse her policy, or even lose on 8 June? Are they just ill-disciplined in their anger? Or am I missing something? I find it hard to tell whether they understand their own best interests. The history of the EU suggests that its leaders are good at defending bureaucratic power, but get a bit flummoxed by democracy.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/the-eu-leaders-tactics-are-intended-to-affect-our-general-election/
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Is the answer that County councils are already strong for Con so it's hard to get a big swing from what is already a high base?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    MikeL said:

    Thanks to you both - 11% lead is well below the polls but then as posted earlier in 1983 and 1987 the GE lead was far higher than the Locals.

    Though not sure why that should be expected to be the case?

    On the other hand , in both those years the General Election had yet to be announced and for that reason was perhaps much less in voters' minds at the time of the locals.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    MikeL said:

    Thanks to you both - 11% lead is well below the polls but then as posted earlier in 1983 and 1987 the GE lead was far higher than the Locals.

    Though not sure why that should be expected to be the case?

    If the pattern of 1983 and 1987 were repeated, the Conservatives would finish between 17% and 24% ahead of Labour in the GE.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    03.05 Cumbria stays as no overall control, but with the Tories becoming the largest party, rather than Labour. Full results below:

    Conservative: 37 (+11)
    Labour: 26 (-9)
    Lib Dems: 16 (N/C)
    Independent: 5 (-2)
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    AndyJS said:

    Final Somerset results:

    Conservative 35 (+6)
    Liberal Democrat 12 (-6)
    Labour 3 (-)
    Independent 3 (+1)
    Green Party 2 (+2)
    UKIP 0 (-3)

    2013 Results
    Conservative 29 (-6)
    Liberal Democrat 18 ()
    Labour 3 (+1)
    Independent 2 (+2)
    Green Party 0 (+/-)
    UKIP 3 (+3)

    Like Lincolnshire, it appears to have reverted back to pre 2013 levels, although bad for LDs
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Share of the vote in Lincolnshire:

    Con 53.4%
    Lab 18.8%
    UKIP 7.4%
    Lincs Ind 6.3%
    Ind 6.0%
    LD 5.3%
    Oth 2.4%

    https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/ElectionsResultsHome2017.aspx?navCode=108332
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613

    03.05 Cumbria stays as no overall control, but with the Tories becoming the largest party, rather than Labour. Full results below:

    Conservative: 37 (+11)
    Labour: 26 (-9)
    Lib Dems: 16 (N/C)
    Independent: 5 (-2)

    Again just reversing the 2013 bad result for the Tories

    Conservative: 26 (-12)
    Labour: 35 (+11)
    Lib Dems: 16 (N/C)
    Independent: 7 (+1)

    Overall results look similar to 2009 rather than breaking new ground....
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    edited May 2017
    I THINK Sky said West of England Mayor Round 1 was:

    Con 28
    Lab 22
    LD 20
    Ind 14
    Green 11
    UKIP 4
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    MikeL said:

    I THINK Sky said West of England Mayor Round 1 was:

    Con 28
    Lab 22
    LD 20
    Ind 14
    Green 11
    UKIP 4

    From another place:

    Con 53,796 (27.3%)
    Lab 43,627 (22.2%)
    Lib 39,794 (20.2%)
    Ind 29,500 (15.0%)
    Grn 22,054 (11.2%)
    UKIP 8,182 (4.2%)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    So I've got no idea where the BBCs 40 extra Tory seats are from. Hmmm
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883

    MikeL said:

    I THINK Sky said West of England Mayor Round 1 was:

    Con 28
    Lab 22
    LD 20
    Ind 14
    Green 11
    UKIP 4

    From another place:

    Con 53,796 (27.3%)
    Lab 43,627 (22.2%)
    Lib 39,794 (20.2%)
    Ind 29,500 (15.0%)
    Grn 22,054 (11.2%)
    UKIP 8,182 (4.2%)
    It was strongly expected to be the Lib Dem candidate in the run off. Surprising result.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited May 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Daniel Chapman‏ @DanielChappers 56s57 seconds ago

    UKIP's Lisa Duffy on party losing all #LocalElections2017 seats so far: "I won't use the word disaster, I use the word challenging"#LE2017

    UKIP are going to get about 10% of the vote and hardly any seats. Maybe the same thing will happen to the LDs at the general election...
    Do you reckon Ukip will be ahead of the Lib Dems? Enjoying your spreadsheet as well as @RobD's
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Hertfordshire.... another one without notional results. :(
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Thrasher making the point that 2013 was a bad year for LDs as very unpopular during the Coalition.

    So for LDs tonight to be down on 2013 (so far) is a very disappointing result.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Daniel Chapman‏ @DanielChappers 56s57 seconds ago

    UKIP's Lisa Duffy on party losing all #LocalElections2017 seats so far: "I won't use the word disaster, I use the word challenging"#LE2017

    UKIP are going to get about 10% of the vote and hardly any seats. Maybe the same thing will happen to the LDs at the general election...
    Do you reckon Ukip will be ahead of the Lib Dems? Enjoying your spreadsheet as well as @RobD's
    LDs should be ahead on national projected share I think.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    New Statesman:

    "The summary? This is the worst performance for an opposition ever. Indicates a blowout win for the Tories on 8 June. Neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats are where they need to be to win."

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/05/new-statesman-2017-local-elections-liveblog
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Daniel Chapman‏ @DanielChappers 56s57 seconds ago

    UKIP's Lisa Duffy on party losing all #LocalElections2017 seats so far: "I won't use the word disaster, I use the word challenging"#LE2017

    UKIP are going to get about 10% of the vote and hardly any seats. Maybe the same thing will happen to the LDs at the general election...
    Do you reckon Ukip will be ahead of the Lib Dems? Enjoying your spreadsheet as well as @RobD's
    LDs should be ahead on national projected share I think.
    Thanks.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Artist said:

    MikeL said:

    I THINK Sky said West of England Mayor Round 1 was:

    Con 28
    Lab 22
    LD 20
    Ind 14
    Green 11
    UKIP 4

    From another place:

    Con 53,796 (27.3%)
    Lab 43,627 (22.2%)
    Lib 39,794 (20.2%)
    Ind 29,500 (15.0%)
    Grn 22,054 (11.2%)
    UKIP 8,182 (4.2%)
    It was strongly expected to be the Lib Dem candidate in the run off. Surprising result.
    Presumably if LD had made run-off they would have had very good chance of winning by picking up 2nd prefs of whichever of Con or Lab had dropped out.

    As it is, it looks very close - if UKIP transfer to Con and Green transfer to Lab, then it's approx tied, and will depend entirely on LD and Ind transfers.
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