Remember that alot of these Labour seats were won by Ed Miliband in his pomp, so it's a very high bar for Corbyn to cross.
Yet losing control of Merthyr and Blaenau Gwent? These are areas you are supposed to be able to put a donkey up with a red rosette on and he would still win!
Labour gained both in 2012.
Well Corbyn is doing at least as badly as Brown in 2009 but then Brown had the excuse he was in government, Corbyn is supposed to get the protest vote
Remember that alot of these Labour seats were won by Ed Miliband in his pomp, so it's a very high bar for Corbyn to cross.
Yet losing control of Merthyr and Blaenau Gwent? These are areas you are supposed to be able to put a donkey up with a red rosette on and he would still win!
... my worry if the trends carry on throughout the results is that Corbyn, who never wanted to fight a GE and who might not want to see his party wiped off the map, may use this disaster as the hook to just throw in the towel and someone half normal like Benn comes in as caretaker and rescues Labour.
OK. updated Warwickshire enough so it turns up as a gain on the summary. Once it's fully in I'll try and finish it off and correct my notional values to match the BBC.
... my worry if the trends carry on throughout the results is that Corbyn, who never wanted to fight a GE and who might not want to see his party wiped off the map, may use this disaster as the hook to just throw in the towel and someone half normal like Benn comes in as caretaker and rescues Labour.
OK. updated Warwickshire enough so it turns up as a gain on the summary. Once it's fully in I'll try and finish it off and correct my notional values to match the BBC.
In Tamworth UKIP got 11% compared to 18% at the general election. Shows their popular vote is holding up at slightly more than half of what they got in 2015, in line with the opinion polls. Useful information IMO.
Yes, But with UKIP failing to keep any of there seats so far, I could see them struggle to find people to stand as General Election candidates.
Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he would say
• leave NATO • get rid of nuclear weapons • abolish the monarchy • smash the private schools by one means or another
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
Labour has got a horrible decision to make on what seats it tries to work and spend money on saving. Pitch it wrong, and all that election money will have been wasted. Looking like trying to save seats 100-125 as a firewall is a sensible strategy, but a dreadful admission of the scale of the rejection it is facing.
The LibDems face a similar problem, but on a smaller scale.
The fact that a working-class Middle England town like Tamworth is being written off by Labour supporters as unwinnable sums up precisely their problems in my opinion.
Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he would say
• leave NATO • get rid of nuclear weapons • abolish the monarchy • smash the private schools by one means or another
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
Our private schools are the best schools in the world and provide scholarships and bursaries too, politics of envy will not save Labour
Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he would say
• leave NATO • get rid of nuclear weapons • abolish the monarchy • smash the private schools by one means or another
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
You mean a key Trot aspiration that no right minded person would like to see realised?
Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he would say
• leave NATO • get rid of nuclear weapons • abolish the monarchy • smash the private schools by one means or another
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
You mean a key Trot aspiration that no right minded person would like to see realised?
It's nothing to do with Trotskyism, and the vast majority of people would back it if, as I said, the reality and significance of these institutions were laid bare.
Trotskyism? Isn't that some kind of cult where older men abuse younger members?
David Cornwell, who writes as John le Carré, would back it. Any decent person would back it. My concept of "decent" seems diametrically opposed to yours of "right minded".
Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he would say
• leave NATO • get rid of nuclear weapons • abolish the monarchy • smash the private schools by one means or another
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
Our private schools are the best schools in the world and provide scholarships and bursaries too, politics of envy will not save Labour
Envy? You must be joking! But I realise you aren't. There's a total disconnect here, between your and Mortimer's attitude on one side and mine and David Cornwell's on the other.
"It is difficult to imagine the reform of British society without the abolition of the public schools, starting with Eton... I am afraid, when I'm dictator of England, I shall do it."
Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he would say
• leave NATO • get rid of nuclear weapons • abolish the monarchy • smash the private schools by one means or another
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
Our private schools are the best schools in the world and provide scholarships and bursaries too, politics of envy will not save Labour
Envy? You must be joking! But I realise you aren't. There's a total disconnect here.
No there isn't, that is why the Tories will also allow grammar schools to expand too
So far on the Labour defence list in England (maj<25%), they've lost 22 and held 9.
The 9 they've held are:
Warwick West Hitchin North Gloucester / Coney Hill & Matson Carlisle / Castle Carlisle / Harraby South Forest of Dean / Cinderford North Warwickshire / Polesworth Colchester / Maypole Copeland / Egremont
Rob - sorry to be fussy but a minor point on your main spreadsheet as I think it's open to misunderstanding - in the councillors table the word dissolution should just be above the 2nd column (2013) not over the 3rd column as well (2017).
Otherwise it's not clear that the 2017 column represents councillors elected tonight.
However, in a twist, the Con leader there has lost his seat to the LDs, reports the BBC.
Tessa Munt has taken the Wells seat from the Tories.
So the Conservative leader of Somerset CC bites the dust. Is that as well as the Conservative leader of Dorset CC? Or am I just being a bit optimistic?
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... my worry if the trends carry on throughout the results is that Corbyn, who never wanted to fight a GE and who might not want to see his party wiped off the map, may use this disaster as the hook to just throw in the towel and someone half normal like Benn comes in as caretaker and rescues Labour.
Could that happen?
https://twitter.com/NorthDorset/status/860291393952116736
http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/election2017/results/district/district.asp?district=Lakeland
After 17 seats declared on #Ceredigion, #Plaid 34%, #Ind 33%, #LibDem 28%, #Con 3%, #Lab 2%, #Green 0%. Swing: 4% from #Plaid to #LibDem
Ind 25 (+7)
Lab 12 (-9)
Con 9 (+4)
PC 3 (+2)
LD 2 (-2)
NOC.
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/860301056957456389
The LibDems face a similar problem, but on a smaller scale.
Well they are already +52. That may include Wales but even so they must be on course for miles more than +115.
Con gained 12 from LD
LD gained 5 from Con
https://twitter.com/edwardjsault/status/860285296897863680
Trotskyism? Isn't that some kind of cult where older men abuse younger members?
David Cornwell, who writes as John le Carré, would back it. Any decent person would back it. My concept of "decent" seems diametrically opposed to yours of "right minded".
Wonder if Jezza will still be on the
ChristmasMulti-Faith Winter Holiday Card?Lab vote down 5%, Con vote up 3%, Ind vote up 7%, LibDem % unchanged, Plaid down 2%
Lab 34 (+3)
Ind 25 (+2)
Con 6 (-2)
LD 5 (-2)
PC 0 (-1)
NOC (no change)
Make of that what you will.
I say: no LD surge, Lab>Con swing 4% but the blummin' Independent vote share makes any analysis meaningless.
"It is difficult to imagine the reform of British society without the abolition of the public schools, starting with Eton... I am afraid, when I'm dictator of England, I shall do it."
Tessa Munt has taken the Wells seat from the Tories.
The 9 they've held are:
Warwick West
Hitchin North
Gloucester / Coney Hill & Matson
Carlisle / Castle
Carlisle / Harraby South
Forest of Dean / Cinderford
North Warwickshire / Polesworth
Colchester / Maypole
Copeland / Egremont
Otherwise it's not clear that the 2017 column represents councillors elected tonight.