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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,992
    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    Are you in with a shout?

    Trolling appears to be de rigueur now.
    This morning I did a betting thread, and you moaned and bitched like a whore.

    Perhaps you might offer something a bit more substantive in your contributions.
    Impossible he is a cretin
    Afternoon Malc! :smiley:
    Afternoon Gin, not a great place today , the loonies are out in force and they are on something dodgy. Can only suffer it in small doses.
    Hmmmmmm... Not sure your talking about John The Loony here? ;)

    Nevermind... Only five weeks to go - It'll fly by! :D
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Just to prove how utterly ridiculous those figures are, the Liberal Democrats would lose Orkney...

    ...to the Conservatives.

    @Alistair thanks for the further info about the Greens poised to pull out of Moray and Stirling. That is in itself a strategy that carries risks though. If the greens stand down candidates where they have a substantial vote - and then their voters don't turn out - there will be the unfortunate side-effect of depressing the vote in favour of another referendum.

    Green + SNP = 50% has to be the target if Nicola's referendum is to materialise.

    Although come to think of it, since it would almost certainly be another 'no' vote but demographics are on their side, there may be method in the madness!
    If Yes lose another referendum, especially if there is a swing to No, it would kill off independence for a generation or more
    That must be why Mummy May & Rape Clause Ruth are so desperate to have one then.

    What's that, Skip?

    Now is not the time?

    Divisive?

    We don't know what Brexit will look like?

    A distraction from our delicate Brexit negotiations?
    They don't want them as they have other things to focus on but if the SNP voteshare did fall by 7% to 43% or so I expect Sturgeon would have to start to tone down the indyref2 rhetoric
    But then she'd be ignoring the will of the people.

    'SNP election success would entitle them to new independence vote, poll finds

    A majority of voters north of the border believe the SNP would have the right to hold a second independence referendum if the party wins more than half of the Scottish seats in the General Election, a poll has found.'

    https://tinyurl.com/m2lkf4b
    51% of Scots now oppose a second independence referendum in the next 5 years with just 42% in favour and if the SNP fall back that would confirm it

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/857995083752378368
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,456
    Schards said:

    malcolmg said:

    Gordon Brown used to shout and scream at his staff didn't he as well?

    image

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/858630839298555904

    You would have thought given she has not met any public so far that she might have brought this up some time ago. Obviously just party propaganda to try and deflect from fact that she is hiding from the public.
    I think the tory vote would benefit greatly from May having some mouth frothing nationalist or socialist getting into her face and abusing her in the street in a way that it would not have benefitted Cameron,
    These kind of guys you mean?

    https://twitter.com/MartynMcL/status/513260283511726080
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    malcolmg said:

    justin124 said:

    calum said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Interesting - Presumably a subsidiary subsample question of <<1K ?</p>
    YouGov subsample - so for entertainment purposes only.....
    17 SCON !
    On those figures Labour could also win 5/6 seats back from the SNP!
    LOL Bulldog Ruth will be FM, I may as well join the fantasists, aliens will be living here by July.
    I don't think anybody believed the numbers from that subsample. Is there anyone who is predicting any SLAB gains?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    edited April 2017
    These figures are also interesting 'The survey found 41% favour independence for Scotland inside the EU while 10% support Scottish independence outside the EU.
    Some 48% said they would prefer Scotland to remain inside the UK but outside the EU, the Sunday Times Scotland said.'
    http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/snp-election-success-would-entitle-them-to-new-independence-vote-poll-finds-11364176905595#.WQYCRROKgdc.twitter

    So about a fifth of SNP voters now back Brexit and Sturgeon cannot win a majority for independence without them
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    I'm guessing from the complete absence of reposts & fawning tributes to this beauty that even the PB Yoons found it too much for their gag reflex.

    https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/858582681566801921

    I presume that is May meeting a member of the Scottish public ?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,033
    A swing of 9% to the Tories in Labour-held seats, as implied by ICM, would give the Tories 410-420 seats.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    edited April 2017
    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,338

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    This ICM poll doesn't seem to have had much attention

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3446681/jeremy-corbyn-is-heading-for-a-rout-in-junes-general-election-as-he-lags-behind-theresa-may/

    Con 19% Lead.

    Also says Conservatoives have an 11% lead in marginals - How would that compare with 2015?

    From the Gold Standard, no less :)
    Wonder how an 11% Con lead in the marginals compare's with the Con lead in 2015?
    We'd need to know which marginal seats.
    Labour majorities of up to 15% if its the same as the previous ICM.

    A swing of 9% from 2015.
    Which would back up the view that Labour will do worst where it hurts them most, like the Conservatives did in 1997. A pro-Labour swing in places like Kensington doesn't help them at all, whereas a big swing in Leave areas puts seats like Ashfield in play.
    The Conservatives are fortunate that most of their London targets require a small swing:

    Ealing Acton 0.3%
    Brentford 0.5%
    Ilford N 0.7%
    Hampstead 1.1%
    Enfield N 1.2%
    Carshalton 1.7% (from LibDems)
    Harrow W 2.5%
    Westminster N 2.6%
    Tooting 2.7%
    Eltham 3.2%
    ...
    big gap
    ...
    Hammersmith 6.9%
    Dagenham 8.6%

    So even a London swing of under half that of the national swing is still very profitable for the Conservatives.
    Carshalton, it should be noted, voted Leave in the referendum, and UKIP got 15% of the vote in 2015.

    I would reckon this should be an odds on Conservative gain (indeed, I'd want to get at least 3-1 to bet on the LibDems).

    (Twickenham, on the other hand, voted heavily for Remain, and UKIP lost their deposit.)

    I'd reckon the LibDems are more likely to gain Twickenham than hold C&W.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,662

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    Way too anecdotal given the current polls. More likely that the level of Labour presence/activity was making voters excessively polite - but dishonest - on the doorstep, than that this area has somehow completely bucked the national trend.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Speaking Of Pisa tests I can come back to my new boring section of why Wales needs to change;

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738

    Fucking last, improving but still dead last in the UK, with a gap between the Welsh and Scotland who are the next up. And this is the primary reason for Wales having such economicsand social problems, low education levels mean firms don't set up there and the and brightest leave. Then they have an intake of the elderly who want to live in the scenic areas.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Pulpstar said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Labour on 25 ?

    Laughable.
    Not necessarily so. Labour polled over 22% in last year's Holyrood elections.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Con GAIN Nottingham council.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,733
    IanB2 said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    Way too anecdotal given the current polls. More likely that the level of Labour presence/activity was making voters excessively polite - but dishonest - on the doorstep, than that this area has somehow completely bucked the national trend.
    This is canvassing for County elections presumably. I suspect the Labour vote wont collapse as much as polling suggests for the locals, as people are aware they are not partaking in the referendum on Corbyn that has been organized for 8th June.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    nunu said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Con GAIN Nottingham council.
    Which one? I think I live in the county now, previously I lived in the City which is solid Labour.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,733
    nunu said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Con GAIN Nottingham council.
    Nottinghamshire. This is County stuff, not City.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    As useful as his canvass reports from 2015 I suspect
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    It will be Nottinghamshire County Council.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HaroldO said:

    Speaking Of Pisa tests I can come back to my new boring section of why Wales needs to change;

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738

    Fucking last, improving but still dead last in the UK, with a gap between the Welsh and Scotland who are the next up. And this is the primary reason for Wales having such economicsand social problems, low education levels mean firms don't set up there and the and brightest leave. Then they have an intake of the elderly who want to live in the scenic areas.

    Why have Scotland's relative test scores come down so much since 2006?
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    Charles said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    As useful as his canvass reports from 2015 I suspect
    Tick tock.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,033

    IanB2 said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    Way too anecdotal given the current polls. More likely that the level of Labour presence/activity was making voters excessively polite - but dishonest - on the doorstep, than that this area has somehow completely bucked the national trend.
    This is canvassing for County elections presumably. I suspect the Labour vote wont collapse as much as polling suggests for the locals, as people are aware they are not partaking in the referendum on Corbyn that has been organized for 8th June.
    It may not collapse, but there will likely be a big swing from Lab to Con., compared to 2013.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,196
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    This ICM poll doesn't seem to have had much attention

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3446681/jeremy-corbyn-is-heading-for-a-rout-in-junes-general-election-as-he-lags-behind-theresa-may/

    Con 19% Lead.

    Also says Conservatoives have an 11% lead in marginals - How would that compare with 2015?

    From the Gold Standard, no less :)
    Wonder how an 11% Con lead in the marginals compare's with the Con lead in 2015?
    We'd need to know which marginal seats.
    Labour majorities of up to 15% if its the same as the previous ICM.

    A swing of 9% from 2015.
    Which would back up the view that Labour will do worst where it hurts them most, like the Conservatives did in 1997. A pro-Labour swing in places like Kensington doesn't help them at all, whereas a big swing in Leave areas puts seats like Ashfield in play.
    The Conservatives are fortunate that most of their London targets require a small swing:

    Ealing Acton 0.3%
    Brentford 0.5%
    Ilford N 0.7%
    Hampstead 1.1%
    Enfield N 1.2%
    Carshalton 1.7% (from LibDems)
    Harrow W 2.5%
    Westminster N 2.6%
    Tooting 2.7%
    Eltham 3.2%
    ...
    big gap
    ...
    Hammersmith 6.9%
    Dagenham 8.6%

    So even a London swing of under half that of the national swing is still very profitable for the Conservatives.
    Carshalton, it should be noted, voted Leave in the referendum, and UKIP got 15% of the vote in 2015.

    I would reckon this should be an odds on Conservative gain (indeed, I'd want to get at least 3-1 to bet on the LibDems).

    (Twickenham, on the other hand, voted heavily for Remain, and UKIP lost their deposit.)

    I'd reckon the LibDems are more likely to gain Twickenham than hold C&W.
    Indeed.

    The 9/5 on a Conservative gain in Carshalton is good value.

    The Labour vote in Carshalton is also very different to that in Richmond and Twickenham.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Labour on 25 ?

    Laughable.
    I think this is from Yougov [ subset ].SNP actually 38
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,733
    Notts County Council is one to watch on local election night.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,033
    surbiton said:

    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.

    If Labour were to push up its lead to 15% in London, it's results elsewhere would be horrific.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Just back from walking the dogs around the back field. Grass is long with both lots of rain and sun, and temperatures mostly in the 70s and 80s (20s C), hopefully will be able to hay in about two weeks.

    Long and short, our tiny Irish Jack Russell disappears completely in the grass so I only know where he is by the grass moving. But he somehow managed to flush out an equally hidden wild turkey.

    I always knew wild turkeys roosted at night, but I had no idea how well they fly. Rather like a large goose. Perhaps the two German Shepherds racing after it were an incentive ...
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    MTimT said:

    HaroldO said:

    Speaking Of Pisa tests I can come back to my new boring section of why Wales needs to change;

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738

    Fucking last, improving but still dead last in the UK, with a gap between the Welsh and Scotland who are the next up. And this is the primary reason for Wales having such economicsand social problems, low education levels mean firms don't set up there and the and brightest leave. Then they have an intake of the elderly who want to live in the scenic areas.

    Why have Scotland's relative test scores come down so much since 2006?
    It's odd isn't it? I only know anything about English education and that is out of date knowledge now.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,196

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    Which wont worry the Conservatives as its in Rushcliffe constituency.

    Now if there's lower than average swings to the Conservatives in their safe constituencies then there must be higher than average swings elsewhere.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,456
    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    https://twitter.com/thebeatcroft/status/858606757802803200

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,733
    Notts - current position:

    Lab: 34

    Tories: 21

    LibDem: 8

    Indie: 4

    (Few indie types around Mansfield).
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,033

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    Which wont worry the Conservatives as its in Rushcliffe constituency.

    Now if there's lower than average swings to the Conservatives in their safe constituencies then there must be higher than average swings elsewhere.
    The polling evidence is limited, but is pointing this way (eg Kensington)
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    SeanT said:

    I've had me a policy idea for post-Brexit migration from the EU. Forget this visa-by-sector nonsense ("you can be a waiter but not a driver" etc etc).

    Instead: offer all 18-30 year old EU citizens a blanket visa. You can come in for two years and do any job you like. But you won't get any benefits. Up to you.

    If, at the end of the two years, you have landed yourself a job where we need people, a more highly skilled job, then congrats, you are welcome to stay.

    What's not to like? We keep the keen young Europeans coming, but we don't give them benefits, Pret will still find all its staff; it is also a warm and friendly offer to the EU, showing that we would like to remain close allies, and have a genuinely special relationship.

    Isn't this exactly what various countries already have, eg Oz and NZ?
    Yes, that's right, it is.

    Instead of taking the existing scheme and reducing it from its current worldwide potential to catering just for the EU - we should be looking to extend it globally.

    Turning our eyes away from the wider world and looking only at the white EU bloc is a racist approach.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Con GAIN Nottingham council.
    Nottinghamshire. This is County stuff, not City.
    oh...........
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,733
    JohnO said:

    Charles said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    As useful as his canvass reports from 2015 I suspect
    Tick tock.
    I think Ken Clarke can rest easy.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HaroldO said:

    nunu said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Con GAIN Nottingham council.
    Which one? I think I live in the county now, previously I lived in the City which is solid Labour.
    the county. I was only teasing anyway.....LOL.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Labour on 25 ?

    Laughable.
    I think this is from Yougov [ subset ].SNP actually 38
    SNP actually on 36%.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    nunu said:

    HaroldO said:

    nunu said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Con GAIN Nottingham council.
    Which one? I think I live in the county now, previously I lived in the City which is solid Labour.
    the county. I was only teasing anyway.....LOL.
    Heh, fair enough. I used to be a little in touch with local politics but not any more so have no idea what is going on. I always vote so I will be doing so on the day, god knows who for.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,922
    surbiton said:

    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.

    That's a 15 point swing in under a week. YouGov have been struggling to meet quota in London and have been significantly upweighting small samples- so I suspect the London numbers might not be enormously reliable - that's not to say that "this one" is wrong - it could have been earlier ones.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    Let me just correct you there in line with the current leadership outlook and approach.

    'Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Momentum Regional Peoples Committee (aka Victory for Julius Malema Branch) in Nottingham may see us home'
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.

    That's a 15 point swing in under a week. YouGov have been struggling to meet quota in London and have been significantly upweighting small samples- so I suspect the London numbers might not be enormously reliable - that's not to say that "this one" is wrong - it could have been earlier ones.
    Not surprisingly you found the Scottish subsets perfectly good, the one you put up in here.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2017
    GeoffM said:

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    justin124 said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Labour on 25 ?

    Laughable.
    I think this is from Yougov [ subset ].SNP actually 38
    SNP actually on 36%.
    Sorry ! I need to go to Specsavers.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    justin124 said:

    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.

    Again according to UNS, 6 of them from London !!!!!!!!!!!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,038
    justin124 said:

    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.

    Except the marginal poll shows the Tories doing better. Suspect UNS won't be valuable.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    By the way, when pollsters give "England only" figures; are these weighted ? I know the subsets are not.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,331
    Just been out for the day in South Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire and, unlike Cambridge, there were no Labour signs out, several Lib Dem ones, and lots of blue ones. In fact, one house in Buckden had eight Conservative posters in its windows, a large banner on the fence, and a smaller one on another fence (oddly, one window had several in, whilst another window had none).

    A bit of overkill, methinks.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,662
    The faith in UNS on this site goes beyond all reason.
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    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    https://twitter.com/thebeatcroft/status/858606757802803200

    Miriam Brett is a strong candidate - if anyone can unseat the nonentity that is Carmichael, she'd be the sort to manage it. Worth watching.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,331
    Oh, and congrats to Bottas in the vroom vroom. Told you the boy was good! ;)
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.

    Again according to UNS, 6 of them from London !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Indeed - and several of them could expect a first time incumbency bonus in the same way that Tory MPs resisted the pro-Labour swing in 2015.
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    A question to those who are more clued up on politics in Scotland.

    When the next referendum on Independence takes place, will it be a joint ticket of "leaving UK" + "Joining EU"?

    Or will it be - get independence first, and then later on have another referendum on whether Scotland should apply to join the EU or not?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,056

    Just been out for the day in South Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire and, unlike Cambridge, there were no Labour signs out, several Lib Dem ones, and lots of blue ones. In fact, one house in Buckden had eight Conservative posters in its windows, a large banner on the fence, and a smaller one on another fence (oddly, one window had several in, whilst another window had none).

    A bit of overkill, methinks.

    It is probably the ward candidate's family.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.

    If Labour were to push up its lead to 15% in London, it's results elsewhere would be horrific.
    Yeah, in the South.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,056
    Mr. Jessop, bit annoyed with myself for not backing that, but there we are. At least someone (Mr. B?) did.

    Post-race ramble is up here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/russia-post-race-analysis.html
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,331
    Pulpstar said:

    Just been out for the day in South Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire and, unlike Cambridge, there were no Labour signs out, several Lib Dem ones, and lots of blue ones. In fact, one house in Buckden had eight Conservative posters in its windows, a large banner on the fence, and a smaller one on another fence (oddly, one window had several in, whilst another window had none).

    A bit of overkill, methinks.

    It is probably the ward candidate's family.
    That was my guess - the posters are probably there so no-on can look in and disturb the baby-eating.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    justin124 said:

    calum said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Interesting - Presumably a subsidiary subsample question of <<1K ?</p>
    YouGov subsample - so for entertainment purposes only.....
    17 SCON !
    On those figures Labour could also win 5/6 seats back from the SNP!
    LOL Bulldog Ruth will be FM, I may as well join the fantasists, aliens will be living here by July.
    I don't think anybody believed the numbers from that subsample. Is there anyone who is predicting any SLAB gains?
    What about East Lothian and Dumbarton ?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    justin124 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.

    Again according to UNS, 6 of them from London !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Indeed - and several of them could expect a first time incumbency bonus in the same way that Tory MPs resisted the pro-Labour swing in 2015.
    Are people still insisting LD will win Bermondsey ? They can have Vauxhall instead.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,922
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.

    That's a 15 point swing in under a week. YouGov have been struggling to meet quota in London and have been significantly upweighting small samples- so I suspect the London numbers might not be enormously reliable - that's not to say that "this one" is wrong - it could have been earlier ones.
    Not surprisingly you found the Scottish subsets perfectly good, the one you put up in here.
    Which I also described as for entertainment purposes only. You really need to let go of your bitterness and hate - it can't be doing you any good.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,174
    edited April 2017
    I see Tim Farron's reticence on "theological" matters has evaporated.

    The Lib Dems are buying advertising space on Google to promote a page entitled "Tim Farron: 'I do not think gay sex is a sin'", incorporating a rather selective version of his voting record on LGBT issues.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    If the SNP underperform expectations on Thursday , I could see their vote continue to slide to the advantage of all the pro-Union parties.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,396
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/30/hard-brexiteers-theresa-may-brexit-negotiations

    "Conservatives who want the prime minister to have a stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations must realise that she may use it against them"
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    GeoffM said:

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
    I disagree. Very plain.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,829
    Well that was a good day. Watched the Tour de Yorkshire sweep by, went to the canalside festival and then had a couple of pints. Nice to leave politics behind for the day.

    Now back to watching the gurning, stooping, lack of interpersonal skills PM taking people for fools.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,829

    GeoffM said:

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
    I disagree. Very plain.
    With politicians, the bar tends to be set fairly low.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.

    Again according to UNS, 6 of them from London !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Indeed - and several of them could expect a first time incumbency bonus in the same way that Tory MPs resisted the pro-Labour swing in 2015.
    Are people still insisting LD will win Bermondsey ? They can have Vauxhall instead.
    Had you down as more of a Nissan man :lol:
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Chris said:

    I see Tim Farron's reticence on "theological" matters has evaporated.

    The Lib Dems are buying advertising space on Google to promote a page entitled "Tim Farron: 'I do not think gay sex is a sin'", incorporating a rather selective version of his voting record on LGBT issues.

    Is that wise? It sounds like "when did you stop beating your wife" territory
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Yougov gives the Tories a 14% lead in England - compared with 9.5% in 2015. That represents a 2.25% swing from Lab to Con which if universal would lead to 15 gains from Labour.

    Again according to UNS, 6 of them from London !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Indeed - and several of them could expect a first time incumbency bonus in the same way that Tory MPs resisted the pro-Labour swing in 2015.
    Are people still insisting LD will win Bermondsey ? They can have Vauxhall instead.
    Had you down as more of a Nissan man :lol:
    BMW, mate. Nothing but BMW.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,396
    Charles said:

    Chris said:

    I see Tim Farron's reticence on "theological" matters has evaporated.

    The Lib Dems are buying advertising space on Google to promote a page entitled "Tim Farron: 'I do not think gay sex is a sin'", incorporating a rather selective version of his voting record on LGBT issues.

    Is that wise? It sounds like "when did you stop beating your wife" territory
    They should make posters with the slogan 'Sinning here', and a campaign with the theme 'it's not a sin to vote Lib Dem', targeted at Corbynites.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    HaroldO said:

    Speaking Of Pisa tests I can come back to my new boring section of why Wales needs to change;

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738

    Fucking last, improving but still dead last in the UK, with a gap between the Welsh and Scotland who are the next up. And this is the primary reason for Wales having such economicsand social problems, low education levels mean firms don't set up there and the and brightest leave. Then they have an intake of the elderly who want to live in the scenic areas.

    If it was separate from England, Wales would be the 5th. poorest EU country. Eastern Europe was part of the Soviet empire 25 years ago but some of the eastern countries have now overtaken Wales. They certainly have in terms of broadband speed!!

    http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/good_for_business/?doc=52217
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
    I disagree. Very plain.
    Okay; nothing to set the world on fire - but I wouldn't crawl over her to get to Sturgeon.
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    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    https://twitter.com/thebeatcroft/status/858606757802803200

    Shetland born? You have just lost the Orkney vote.
    Only outsiders with no allegiance to either island group do well here.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/30/hard-brexiteers-theresa-may-brexit-negotiations

    "Conservatives who want the prime minister to have a stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations must realise that she may use it against them"

    For example, compromise on the "divorce bill". With her current majority she would not be able to do that.

    Incidentally, she needs a stronger hand to contain her right wing loonies rather than against the EU.

    Why should the EU give a tuppence regarding her majority. They already know the referendum result.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    edited April 2017
    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    justin124 said:

    calum said:

    SCOTTISH TORY SURGE KLAXON

    Con: 32
    Lab: 25
    SNP: 36
    LibD: 5
    Grn: 2

    Interesting - Presumably a subsidiary subsample question of <<1K ?</p>
    YouGov subsample - so for entertainment purposes only.....
    17 SCON !
    On those figures Labour could also win 5/6 seats back from the SNP!
    LOL Bulldog Ruth will be FM, I may as well join the fantasists, aliens will be living here by July.
    I don't think anybody believed the numbers from that subsample. Is there anyone who is predicting any SLAB gains?
    What about East Lothian and Dumbarton ?
    No idea. You think they're achievable?
    surbiton said:

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    Subset Alert: YouGov London subset gives Labour 45, Con 30, LD 15, UKIP 6.

    If Labour were to push up its lead to 15% in London, it's results elsewhere would be horrific.
    Yeah, in the South.
    Well, not many to lose there at least.
    IanB2 said:

    The faith in UNS on this site goes beyond all reason.

    It's a starting point, perhaps.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    GeoffM said:

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
    I disagree. Very plain.
    With politicians, the bar tends to be set fairly low.
    I thought the islanders were equivocal towards the Scottish mainland, having once been part of Norway. Anyway, I went to put a bit of money on the L.Dems there and the odds had shortened from 1.5->1.44.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,456

    GeoffM said:

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    Oooh she's nice.
    I disagree. Very plain.
    You stick to kissy kissy with Big Al then.

    https://twitter.com/MrMalky/status/856830758006272000
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,679
    edited April 2017
    Yorkcity said:

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
    You didn't appreciate my 'omage to Sion Simon?
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    walterwwalterw Posts: 71
    Seems that the 28.2% Stop Brexit Alliance is completely unaware of the Lib Dems or their key policy.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Disraeli said:

    A question to those who are more clued up on politics in Scotland.

    When the next referendum on Independence takes place, will it be a joint ticket of "leaving UK" + "Joining EU"?

    Or will it be - get independence first, and then later on have another referendum on whether Scotland should apply to join the EU or not?

    Enda Kenny has got the EU Council to agree that if there was reunification of Ireland, the NI part will be in the EU automatically. Agreed, Scotland will not be in the same situation.

    The EU could somehow bend the rules using East Germany and Czech /Slovakia as basis.

    Still not the same, I agree.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2017
    walterw said:

    Seems that the 28.2% Stop Brexit Alliance is completely unaware of the Lib Dems or their key policy.

    9.2% will not get you anywhere. Also, the advantage with the SBA is that it will be non party political.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,360
    Yorkcity said:

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
    I think it's a quote from this well-known article:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Andy_JS said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
    I think it's a quote from this well-known article:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
    It's nice to see that article taken out and dusted down for renewed public ridicule.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    HaroldO said:

    Speaking Of Pisa tests I can come back to my new boring section of why Wales needs to change;

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38208738

    Fucking last, improving but still dead last in the UK, with a gap between the Welsh and Scotland who are the next up. And this is the primary reason for Wales having such economicsand social problems, low education levels mean firms don't set up there and the and brightest leave. Then they have an intake of the elderly who want to live in the scenic areas.

    If it was separate from England, Wales would be the 5th. poorest EU country. Eastern Europe was part of the Soviet empire 25 years ago but some of the eastern countries have now overtaken Wales. They certainly have in terms of broadband speed!!

    http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/good_for_business/?doc=52217
    That's what 20 years of socialist (Labour party Variety) will do to your economy!
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,998
    Well, I've had worse days. Haven't seen Spurs dominate Arsenal like that for years. A huge gap in class. Cost me a bit, mind. But who gives a toss about that? If Arsenal finish 4th I still come out ahead.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    edited April 2017



    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    No, I don't have enough info from the canvass to say that - we didn't this time canvass houses previously don't know or anti or wouldn't say, and as noted the lack of a UKIP candidate will help the Tories. What seemed to be apparent was that the Labour vote from 2015 was largely unchanged, and quite motivated (likewise the Greens, irritatingly). I don't think there was any politeness involved short of Oscar-scale acting - e.g. people don't normally put up posters if they're really going to vote differently.

    But there is more of a UKIP vote than a LibDem vote, so I'd expect a net swing to the Tories there (assuming their vote is solid too), possibly balanced by better Labour ground game in Greater Nottingham. Too hard to call because of boundary changes.

    Yes, it's Notts County Council. I've also canvassed another Labour seat, Beeston South - this felt reasonably secure, though it's where I'll be spending Thursday as it's the only Labour County seat in my old patch.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,662

    Well, I've had worse days. Haven't seen Spurs dominate Arsenal like that for years. A huge gap in class. Cost me a bit, mind. But who gives a toss about that? If Arsenal finish 4th I still come out ahead.

    Spurs and Arsenal are some kind of code for Tory and Labour, right? ;)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,033
    Andy_JS said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
    I think it's a quote from this well-known article:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
    That turned out well for them.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,396
    GeoffM said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
    I think it's a quote from this well-known article:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
    It's nice to see that article taken out and dusted down for renewed public ridicule.
    Someone should write a Brexiteer version:

    'Shortly there will be a negotiation, in which Theresa May will triumph over all of Europe'
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209

    Yorkcity said:

    Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservative Party will increase its majority.

    Thanks I think many were not aware of that on here.
    You didn't appreciate my 'omage to Sion Simon?
    You mean 'soon to be West Midlands Mayor' Sion Simon?

    Side note, I love it when politicians at lower levels try to deflect from what's happening at the national level, particularly a leader issue, because a) You can bet they won't be consistent about it, and will condemn their opponents for something that may be more relevant nationally than locally, and b) You can also bet they would never say the same thing if their leader or a national issue would be seen as an asset.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,209
    edited April 2017

    Anyone fancying a punt against Carmichael in O&S might take into account the SNP candidate adopted, Miriam Brett; young, smart, presentable, Shetland born, untainted, might be the sort to turn the tables.

    Tom Morton, BBC broadcaster & formerly very strong No supporter & now Yes has been positive about her.

    https://twitter.com/thebeatcroft/status/858606757802803200

    Shetland born? You have just lost the Orkney vote.
    Only outsiders with no allegiance to either island group do well here.
    Really? How curious.

    Scanning wikipedia I see the MP elected in a by-electioin in 1921 was born there, but he only lasted a year (and had been unopposed).

    Much praise to to Basil Neven-Spence - but for his 15 year stretch looks like the place has been some flavor of liberal since 1837. So well done the SNP for getting close, and if they take it, quite the achievement.

    Lots of Dundas's and Honyman's among the early MPs - I presume family connections.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    IanB2 said:

    Anecdotally from super-marginal Notts, West Bridgford North, which is a new division overlapping a former division which Labour won from the Tories by 9 votes last time: 20 of us out this afternoon on the third canvass, focusing on Labour, LibDem and uncontacted this time. It's a middle-class but not university-linked area - typically youngish couples starting to move up the ladder.

    The Laboujr vote seemed to have been correctly identified and was rock-solid - too few uncontacted to have a clear impression from those. People said the Tory effort there seemed slight - one leaflet received vs three from Labour, and a small Tory canvass team. Loads of Labour posters, none for other candidates. Green vote seemed very solid too, but LibDems crumbling to Labour and UKIP presumably to Tories - no UKIP candidate at all. Some Labour unhappiness over our not being anti-Brexit enough, but after a grumble those voters all said yeah, they'd vote for us anyway. Hard to call without seeing the non-Labour vote, but the strength of the Labour machine in Nottingham may see us home.

    So what you are saying is that there is no swing in this constituency


    Way too anecdotal given the current polls. More likely that the level of Labour presence/activity was making voters excessively polite - but dishonest - on the doorstep, than that this area has somehow completely bucked the national trend.
    Door to door tends to meet with politeness in most parts. Everyone was civil to me yesterday.

    The benefit of public presence is several fold, and important for democracy, but perhaps its significance for the politicians themselves is underestimated. The Mrs Duffy incident, and Gordons response fortold a lot that has gone on in the last 7 years. Similarly Tony Blair being given a dressing down at the hospital entrance in 2001. Ed Milibands response to the overspending question in the debates in 2015 was another unscripted turning point.

    I think Theresa May is insulting the public by her hermetically sealed campaign and robotic mantras, but even more importantly she is losing out on learning from the Great British Public at one of the few times that the average Joe pays attention to politics. She could learn something. Ditto Jezza. I think Tim is an aficionado of doorstep politics.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,844
    IanB2 said:

    Well, I've had worse days. Haven't seen Spurs dominate Arsenal like that for years. A huge gap in class. Cost me a bit, mind. But who gives a toss about that? If Arsenal finish 4th I still come out ahead.

    Spurs and Arsenal are some kind of code for Tory and Labour, right? ;)
    Tories are Chelsea

    In election year the colour of the govt is always the colour of the winning football team
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