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Given the overwhelming importance of the Brexit negotiations in Mrs May’s stated reason for the early General Election then it is important to continue to follow how voters now view that decision last June.
Perhaps Brexit isn't the great be and end all issue that everything thinks. I think the only two vote shifting issues are the IndyRef in Scotland which will shift votes to the Tories, and the overriding Corbyn is fucking toxic which is likely to define politics for a generation.....
Of course Mrs May herself backed Remain as indeed did I but given we voted Leave there is no point going back now and unless the LDs get most MPs we won't. The question has now moved on to whether you put membership of the single market first or ending free movement and reducing payments to Brussels, if the former you will vote Labour, LD, SNP, Plaid, Sinn Fein or Green if the latter Tory, UKIP or DUP
"[32%] seems a very high proportion given the huge emphasis being put on this by Mrs May and other polling that has the voting intention figures moving sharply to the Tories."
But the emphasis is on (1) respecting the vote and, consequently, (2) delivering the best Brexit she can in the context of the inferred instructions the nation's given her. Most Tory Remainers (like me) might still regret the original decision but support the strategy that's been taken given the decision was what it was.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
Perhaps Brexit isn't the great be and end all issue that everything thinks. I think the only two vote shifting issues are the IndyRef in Scotland which will shift votes to the Tories, and the overriding Corbyn is fucking toxic which is likely to define politics for a generation.....
I agree. Brexit is receding in the rear view mirror for the non-political classes. It will come back to bite the government if we get a recession which can (whether correctly or not) be attributed to the government, and even then the outcome is quite likely to be that if people think the tories are responsible they will also think that only the tories have the competence to sort out the mess. Indeed that is inevitable if Labour remains as Corbynish as it is.
If the country stays split and the polls more towards Brexit being the wrong choice, perhaps May could engineer a second referendum with a choice of the deal or remaining, in which May would be neutral and not campaign.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
I agree on reasoning, but not sure that the Labour brand won't hold out, despite Corbyn, thereby giving the worst result possible for Labour: loss of a few dozen seats + Corbyn stays.
If the country stays split and the polls more towards Brexit being the wrong choice, perhaps May could engineer a second referendum with a choice of the deal or remaining, in which May would be neutral and not campaign.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
What if all of the potential leadership candidates lose their seats?
We would then be left with Abbott and Thornberry as the only potential replacements!
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
I agree on reasoning, but not sure that the Labour brand won't hold out, despite Corbyn, thereby giving the worst result possible for Labour: loss of a few dozen seats + Corbyn stays.
Corbyn doesn't give a toss how many seats he loses. He's going nowhere, no matter what. Why are people assuming that he will suddenly become a) self-aware b) contrite and c) the slightest bit concerned about the long term electoral future of the Labour party?
If the country stays split and the polls more towards Brexit being the wrong choice, perhaps May could engineer a second referendum with a choice of the deal or remaining, in which May would be neutral and not campaign.
Definitely not, Mr Glenn. Although if she came out and stated categorically that there would not be a second referendum, then you can be pretty sure that she might. With herself leading both sides of the argument, in all probability.
I'm not sure I agree that the Conservatives are putting a "huge emphasis" on Brexit, to me they're putting the emphasis on stability and continuity. I suspect that, in the minds of the electorate, Brexit is now just one of those things that's going to happen, like sunshine or rain.
This is a general election, historically decided on 3 items:
1. How's the economy doing? 2. Who do I think should be PM? 3. Which party has got it's s**t together?
The large Conservative lead over Labour is based on these factors, not Brexit.
If the country stays split and the polls more towards Brexit being the wrong choice, perhaps May could engineer a second referendum with a choice of the deal or remaining, in which May would be neutral and not campaign.
I doubt it at most it will be the single market we return to not the full EU
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
I agree on reasoning, but not sure that the Labour brand won't hold out, despite Corbyn, thereby giving the worst result possible for Labour: loss of a few dozen seats + Corbyn stays.
Thing is, Jezz is widely perceived as a cuckoo in the nest - something that couldn't even be said about IDS with the Tories. The love of the Labour brand will see vast swathes of voters snub his leadership to preserve it.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
What if all of the potential leadership candidates lose their seats?
We would then be left with Abbott and Thornberry as the only potential replacements!
Which of the potential candidates are vulnerable? Perhaps a better question is which ones aren't?
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
I agree on reasoning, but not sure that the Labour brand won't hold out, despite Corbyn, thereby giving the worst result possible for Labour: loss of a few dozen seats + Corbyn stays.
Corbyn doesn't give a toss how many seats he loses. He's going nowhere, no matter what. Why are people assuming that he will suddenly become a) self-aware b) contrite and c) the slightest bit concerned about the long term electoral future of the Labour party?
Yes, whether deserting Labour for its own good will have the desired effect is yet to be seen. My sense though is that many voters are now prepared to try it.
I think it'd be wrong to equate saying that voting to leave the EU was wrong with thinking undoing the vote is a priority.
There will be those who don't care that much (I remember the days of Mike posting polls illustrating that pre-referendum - it's certainly shot up the agenda, but the NHS and economy haven't gone away).
There will be those who see it as wrong but inevitable, and just want the thing done with minimum fuss and pain (ideally by someone competent and businesslike).
And there will be those who care about it quite deeply but recognise that there's not much they can do in their constituency - in Lab/Con marginals, the big players aren't offering what you want, so you either cast a protest vote or hold your nose and decide who's least worst.
If the country stays split and the polls more towards Brexit being the wrong choice, perhaps May could engineer a second referendum with a choice of the deal or remaining, in which May would be neutral and not campaign.
It seems like the obvious move, doesn't it? The political benefit is that the anti-EU side will have to pretend to like the deal she comes up with to avoid Brexit getting reversed. If they try to tell everyone it's a traitorous sell-out they'll risk depressing their own turn-out.
It also either covers her arse in case of an economically hairy couple of years post-Brexit (the voters voted for it, it's their fault not hers) or gets her off the hook entirely and gives the economy a nice boost.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
I agree on reasoning, but not sure that the Labour brand won't hold out, despite Corbyn, thereby giving the worst result possible for Labour: loss of a few dozen seats + Corbyn stays.
Corbyn doesn't give a toss how many seats he loses. He's going nowhere, no matter what. Why are people assuming that he will suddenly become a) self-aware b) contrite and c) the slightest bit concerned about the long term electoral future of the Labour party?
68% of Labour members said he should stand down if he loses a General Election.
I think this is actually a good call if only they could pry Corbyn's palsied talons off the levers of power. She has a very similar, and equally unappealing, blend of sanctimony, tedium and androgyny to May. Fight fire with fire.
Of course Mrs May herself backed Remain as indeed did I but given we voted Leave there is no point going back now and unless the LDs get most MPs we won't. The question has now moved on to whether you put membership of the single market first or ending free movement and reducing payments to Brussels, if the former you will vote Labour, LD, SNP, Plaid, Sinn Fein or Green if the latter Tory, UKIP or DUP
Hello again, HYUFD. Can you put me right on something? I had you down as one of our (many) excellent US contributors, but this latest post indicates you are a UK voter. Can you confirm, one way or the the other?
And if you thought I was being snarky about your persistence with the 'MLP can make it' line, don't get me wrong. I really enjoyed your contributions last nite and was sufficiently inclined to share your view to hedge my Macron bets. It only cost a few quid, and nobody ever went poor locking in a profit.
As for voting this time, the Corbyn cult will pass so traditional Labour voters like me can feel free to do whatever they like and wait for sanity to return in due course. My local MP is Brexit-supporter John Cryer, so I'll be giving him a miss this time round. With a 15,000 majority, I doubt he'll notice, but what else can you do?
Thanks again for all your excellent contributions, past and present.
I think this is actually a good call if only they could pry Corbyn's palsied talons off the levers of power. She has a very similar, and equally unappealing, blend of sanctimony, tedium and androgyny to May. Fight fire with fire.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
I agree on reasoning, but not sure that the Labour brand won't hold out, despite Corbyn, thereby giving the worst result possible for Labour: loss of a few dozen seats + Corbyn stays.
Corbyn doesn't give a toss how many seats he loses. He's going nowhere, no matter what. Why are people assuming that he will suddenly become a) self-aware b) contrite and c) the slightest bit concerned about the long term electoral future of the Labour party?
68% of Labour members said he should stand down if he loses a General Election.
That nevertheless reflects a much greater level of support than the late great Joe Stalin enjoyed, so I don't think that will bother him.
I think this is actually a good call if only they could pry Corbyn's palsied talons off the levers of power. She has a very similar, and equally unappealing, blend of sanctimony, tedium and androgyny to May. Fight fire with fire.
I think this is actually a good call if only they could pry Corbyn's palsied talons off the levers of power. She has a very similar, and equally unappealing, blend of sanctimony, tedium and androgyny to May. Fight fire with fire.
How likely is she to keep her seat?
She should be safe enough, but you never know.
Well there was that piece about the Tories piling up support in labour heartlands. Perhaps industrial Yorkshire is about to go rogue
Movements around margin of error don't matter and shouldn't be read into, unless you're Mike and YouGov's Brexit Right/Wrong tracker moves a bit towards 'Wrong', in which case it merits a thread header with a tiny disclaimer.
A long-term trend would be worth commenting on. The remarkable and interesting thing with this tracker is just how static public opinion is.
I think this is actually a good call if only they could pry Corbyn's palsied talons off the levers of power. She has a very similar, and equally unappealing, blend of sanctimony, tedium and androgyny to May. Fight fire with fire.
How likely is she to keep her seat?
She should be safe enough, but you never know.
I just had a look at the 2015 result. It would take all the UKIP votes moving to Tory AND her own vote to fall for her to lose. If she isn't safe there wont be a PLP of any significance to be leader of.
Interesting thought. If a Blue surge leaves a great number of left centre illuminati out of a seat might that be the catalyst to form a new centre left party and leave Corbyn and Co to their own devices? I mean rather than a PLP split, a new party of the dispossessed
I think this is actually a good call if only they could pry Corbyn's palsied talons off the levers of power. She has a very similar, and equally unappealing, blend of sanctimony, tedium and androgyny to May. Fight fire with fire.
How likely is she to keep her seat?
If she loses it, Labour'd be down near 100.
She has a 15k+ majority and although it is a northern, working-class, Brexity seat (all of which point to a larger-than-average swing), it'd still take a net 17% swing for Con to take it from third.
I don't think she has any great local following (it's one which neighbours my Association's constituencies) but I don't think she's as big a negative as, say, Mary Creagh is.
I'm not sure I agree that the Conservatives are putting a "huge emphasis" on Brexit, to me they're putting the emphasis on stability and continuity. I suspect that, in the minds of the electorate, Brexit is now just one of those things that's going to happen, like sunshine or rain.
This is a general election, historically decided on 3 items:
1. How's the economy doing? 2. Who do I think should be PM? 3. Which party has got it's s**t together?
The large Conservative lead over Labour is based on these factors, not Brexit.
Agree with this
We are all leavers now - not really an issue any more to many.
There's actually nothing in it for employed people either, as bank holidays typically count towards holiday entitlement in the small print of the employment contract. Indeed, they are somewhat worse than normal holiday entitlement as you typically have to take the actual day rather than being able to choose.
What it actually means is losing a day off your summer holiday in Florida in exchange for the opportunity to spend St David's Day (1 March) freezing your nuts off on your allotment (I assume that's what Jez wants).
Is that actually correct? I've never worked anywhere that counted public holidays against annual leave. The closest they come in my experience is that you may be required to take leave over the Xmas-NY bridge so they can shut the place down. But perhaps my experience in untypical - is there an authoritative link?
I'm not, by the way, arguing that it's a magical vote-winner, just querying Sir Norfolk's assertion. Here's the link-y for you:
All this says is that employers can count bank holidays as part of statutory leave of course, not that they have to. You can draft a contract as you like so long as it remains legal. In practice, however, most do include bank holidays against statutory leave. Indeed, you've got a generous employer if you've got 28 days (the statutory minimum) PLUS bank holidays. My appraisal of it (to be clear I don't think it's going to make a difference overall, just that it's a step vaguely in a correct direction) is assuming they would ensure the extra days are in addition to current leave entitlements. If not then as you say, it would actually be worse than current arrangement.
I also get the argument that 4 spread out days would be better, and that 4 is too many. But if the aim is to foster a bit of union pride, you gotta work with what you have. Perhaps a more sensible alternative would be 1 additional British day, but hard to find a day that is simultaneously uncontraversial while not being bland or artificial. Magna Carta day perhaps?
Anyway I have probably attributed too much planning behind this policy to Labour, it's probably just a 1 day news headline as others have said.
But how does she erradicate Corbyn. My advice to labour for this election only is vote conservative and decapitate him
The best (most effective) way would be if they could persuade the good people of Islington to "take one for the team" whilst voting Labour elsewhere. Pretty sure that this isn't engineerable however...
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
What if all of the potential leadership candidates lose their seats?
We would then be left with Abbott and Thornberry as the only potential replacements!
Then the contest for the selection for the Liverpool Walton by-election (assuming Lab win the Liverpool City Region mayorality), would become quite fierce.
I've been chewing over the weekend's opinion polls and have come to the conclusion that it's going to be a Bang Super Nova Tory landslide.
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
What if all of the potential leadership candidates lose their seats?
We would then be left with Abbott and Thornberry as the only potential replacements!
Then the contest for the selection for the Liverpool Walton by-election (assuming Lab win the Liverpool City Region mayorality), would become quite fierce.
I have £300 on Rotheram to win that. I think the Labour vote in Merseyside is probably holding up better than elsewhere though - I mean not even Rod Crosby is a Conservative !
FPT SimonStCare noted, apropos of Communisat support for Labour 'An interesting factoid Mr OKC, cheers.” and went on "If it’s not too rude, how many GE’s have you seen?”
I can recall 1945, and my mother telling her sister that my father, who still away in the RAF, wanted her to vote for Ray Gunter, the local Labour candidate, and she didn’t want to! So everything since then. Done everything; leafletter, canvasser, knocker-up, counting agent, Agent, and of course every-time voter Everything except actually being a candidate!
But how does she erradicate Corbyn. My advice to labour for this election only is vote conservative and decapitate him
The best (most effective) way would be if they could persuade the good people of Islington to "take one for the team" whilst voting Labour elsewhere. Pretty sure that this isn't engineerable however...
YouGov back in March found that only 20% of Labour members would want Corbyn to stay on following a general election defeat. He will try and hang on anyway but in the inevitable leadership contest that will follow a defeat he will have his credibility shot and will be voted out.
Had YouGov asked the same question in terms of whether Corbyn should stay following the biggest general election defeat in the party's history (well below the 1931 vote share) then that 20% would be down to 15% or 10%.
I cannot see Corbyn remaining leader beyond the next couple of months. That provides a ray of light at the end of a very dark tunnel.
It's possible the Tory vote could go down in some Remain areas like Oxfordshire and SW London at the same time as going up by around 10% in places like Mansfield and NE Derbyshire.
FPT SimonStCare noted, apropos of Communisat support for Labour 'An interesting factoid Mr OKC, cheers.” and went on "If it’s not too rude, how many GE’s have you seen?”
I can recall 1945, and my mother telling her sister that my father, who still away in the RAF, wanted her to vote for Ray Gunter, the local Labour candidate, and she didn’t want to! So everything since then. Done everything; leafletter, canvasser, knocker-up, counting agent, Agent, and of course every-time voter Everything except actually being a candidate!
Ray Gunter, there is a name to conjure with. It is probably advancing age but the Labour politicians of old seem like giants compared to today's crop.
It's possible the Tory vote could go down in some Remain areas like Oxfordshire and SW London at the same time as going up by around 10% in places like Mansfield and NE Derbyshire.
Very.
I have the following bounds for the Tory vote to change thus far
+2.86 Hornsey +18.51 Boston Skegness.
But I have UNS split by leave/remain.
I might put together a regional calculator - if the Tories are down in London, that is great news for their chances in Dagenham
Tories on 32% amongst remainers ? Or 32% of the Tory vote is remainers ?
The latter.
From the most recent YouGov (would have used ICM but neither recent poll has tables up yet), the Remain vote splits:
Lab 36 Con 27 LD 23 UKIP 0
The Leave vote is
Con 70 Lab 12 UKIP 10 LD 2
Those figures raise some question marks over how well the Lib Dems will do in some of the West Country marginal seats, particularly in Cornwall and Devon.
That's a nonsense article because a lot of those 26 won't be around.
Also, you could argue that losing heavily makes it harder for the Corbynites because the MEPs will be a higher proportion and he got no support at all from that quarter.
Doesn't Rotherham have time to stand down before nominations close? If elected next Thursday, he can tell Labour that he stands down on Friday. Applications open immediately and close on Sunday. NEC select candidate on Monday/Thursday 9th. Nominations close on Thursday 11th IIRC
Then the contest for the selection for the Liverpool Walton by-election (assuming Lab win the Liverpool City Region mayorality), would become quite fierce.
FPT SimonStCare noted, apropos of Communisat support for Labour 'An interesting factoid Mr OKC, cheers.” and went on "If it’s not too rude, how many GE’s have you seen?”
I can recall 1945, and my mother telling her sister that my father, who still away in the RAF, wanted her to vote for Ray Gunter, the local Labour candidate, and she didn’t want to! So everything since then. Done everything; leafletter, canvasser, knocker-up, counting agent, Agent, and of course every-time voter Everything except actually being a candidate!
Fascinating Mr OKC, and many, many thanks for your reply.
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Something Corbyn wont need to worry about finding time for.
But the emphasis is on (1) respecting the vote and, consequently, (2) delivering the best Brexit she can in the context of the inferred instructions the nation's given her. Most Tory Remainers (like me) might still regret the original decision but support the strategy that's been taken given the decision was what it was.
http://www.wuggle.co.uk/trends/keep-calm/womens/standard/keep-calm-i-m-in-charge-ladies-t-shirts.html
Even if you want Labour to win, you know it's never going to happen under Jezz. Theresa seems harmless enough, so just vote Tory to humiliate him and get rid - a clean slate for next time. We have the bizarre paradox whereby voting Tory will actually help Labour (albeit perhaps not in the immediate short term). I can see no flaw in my reasoning.
We would then be left with Abbott and Thornberry as the only potential replacements!
This is a general election, historically decided on 3 items:
1. How's the economy doing?
2. Who do I think should be PM?
3. Which party has got it's s**t together?
The large Conservative lead over Labour is based on these factors, not Brexit.
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2017/04/a-tory-revival-and-a-yet-more-polarised-scotland/
Suspect it's photoshopped and fake but you can't tell nowadays
There will be those who don't care that much (I remember the days of Mike posting polls illustrating that pre-referendum - it's certainly shot up the agenda, but the NHS and economy haven't gone away).
There will be those who see it as wrong but inevitable, and just want the thing done with minimum fuss and pain (ideally by someone competent and businesslike).
And there will be those who care about it quite deeply but recognise that there's not much they can do in their constituency - in Lab/Con marginals, the big players aren't offering what you want, so you either cast a protest vote or hold your nose and decide who's least worst.
It also either covers her arse in case of an economically hairy couple of years post-Brexit (the voters voted for it, it's their fault not hers) or gets her off the hook entirely and gives the economy a nice boost.
And if you thought I was being snarky about your persistence with the 'MLP can make it' line, don't get me wrong. I really enjoyed your contributions last nite and was sufficiently inclined to share your view to hedge my Macron bets. It only cost a few quid, and nobody ever went poor locking in a profit.
As for voting this time, the Corbyn cult will pass so traditional Labour voters like me can feel free to do whatever they like and wait for sanity to return in due course. My local MP is Brexit-supporter John Cryer, so I'll be giving him a miss this time round. With a 15,000 majority, I doubt he'll notice, but what else can you do?
Thanks again for all your excellent contributions, past and present.
PtP
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/24/corbyn-may-farron-sturgeon?page=with:block-58fddd4ee4b0e1f174d40692#block-58fddd4ee4b0e1f174d40692
Can't find any link to data tables yet.
A long-term trend would be worth commenting on. The remarkable and interesting thing with this tracker is just how static public opinion is.
I AM NOT ALONE IN THE TORY PARTY
Nominations must be in by May 11th.
Tories on 32% amongst remainers ?
Or 32% of the Tory vote is remainers ?
I mean rather than a PLP split, a new party of the dispossessed
She has a 15k+ majority and although it is a northern, working-class, Brexity seat (all of which point to a larger-than-average swing), it'd still take a net 17% swing for Con to take it from third.
I don't think she has any great local following (it's one which neighbours my Association's constituencies) but I don't think she's as big a negative as, say, Mary Creagh is.
We are all leavers now - not really an issue any more to many.
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There's actually nothing in it for employed people either, as bank holidays typically count towards holiday entitlement in the small print of the employment contract. Indeed, they are somewhat worse than normal holiday entitlement as you typically have to take the actual day rather than being able to choose.
What it actually means is losing a day off your summer holiday in Florida in exchange for the opportunity to spend St David's Day (1 March) freezing your nuts off on your allotment (I assume that's what Jez wants).
Is that actually correct? I've never worked anywhere that counted public holidays against annual leave. The closest they come in my experience is that you may be required to take leave over the Xmas-NY bridge so they can shut the place down. But perhaps my experience in untypical - is there an authoritative link?
I'm not, by the way, arguing that it's a magical vote-winner, just querying Sir Norfolk's assertion.
Here's the link-y for you:
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/entitlement
All this says is that employers can count bank holidays as part of statutory leave of course, not that they have to. You can draft a contract as you like so long as it remains legal. In practice, however, most do include bank holidays against statutory leave. Indeed, you've got a generous employer if you've got 28 days (the statutory minimum) PLUS bank holidays.
My appraisal of it (to be clear I don't think it's going to make a difference overall, just that it's a step vaguely in a correct direction) is assuming they would ensure the extra days are in addition to current leave entitlements. If not then as you say, it would actually be worse than current arrangement.
I also get the argument that 4 spread out days would be better, and that 4 is too many. But if the aim is to foster a bit of union pride, you gotta work with what you have. Perhaps a more sensible alternative would be 1 additional British day, but hard to find a day that is simultaneously uncontraversial while not being bland or artificial. Magna Carta day perhaps?
Anyway I have probably attributed too much planning behind this policy to Labour, it's probably just a 1 day news headline as others have said.
It will present an alternative, he says. It would make the country work for the many not the few.
It will end the public sector pay cap that disrespects public servants.
It will end the need for food banks.
He says the Tories are trying to use Brexit to turn the UK into a low-wage tax haven.
Labour will put jobs, standards and human rights first in the Brexit talks, he says.
I can't help but think it might not be !
And what is the flow the other way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439480/Polls-underestimating-Tory-support.html
http://iaindale.com/posts/2017/04/19/general-election-2017-seat-by-seat-predictions-predictions-so-far
Con 48% (+2)
Lab 27% (+2)
LD 10% (-1)
UKIP 7% (-1)
Greens 3% (-1)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/24/corbyn-may-farron-sturgeon?page=with:block-58fddd4ee4b0e1f174d40692#block-58fddd4ee4b0e1f174d40692
Bad news for Norman:
'I’d say Norman Lamb was vulnerable, but he’s still incredibly popular and respected. His personal vote will carry him through.'
Kiss of death for Clive:
Sitting MP: Clive Lewis
Prediction: Labour hold
If you've piled on the Tory Scottish borders, look away now...
From the most recent YouGov (would have used ICM but neither recent poll has tables up yet), the Remain vote splits:
Lab 36
Con 27
LD 23
UKIP 0
The Leave vote is
Con 70
Lab 12
UKIP 10
LD 2
LAB 141
L DEM 11
UKIP 0
GREEN 1
I can recall 1945, and my mother telling her sister that my father, who still away in the RAF, wanted her to vote for Ray Gunter, the local Labour candidate, and she didn’t want to! So everything since then. Done everything; leafletter, canvasser, knocker-up, counting agent, Agent, and of course every-time voter Everything except actually being a candidate!
Had YouGov asked the same question in terms of whether Corbyn should stay following the biggest general election defeat in the party's history (well below the 1931 vote share) then that 20% would be down to 15% or 10%.
I cannot see Corbyn remaining leader beyond the next couple of months. That provides a ray of light at the end of a very dark tunnel.
No to a second 'deal' referendum - 61%
Immigration/autonomy prioritised over single market/some eu jurisdiction - 54%
I have the following bounds for the Tory vote to change thus far
+2.86 Hornsey
+18.51 Boston Skegness.
But I have UNS split by leave/remain.
I might put together a regional calculator - if the Tories are down in London, that is great news for their chances in Dagenham
Also, you could argue that losing heavily makes it harder for the Corbynites because the MEPs will be a higher proportion and he got no support at all from that quarter.
Move on, Mr Smithson - you lost.
If elected next Thursday, he can tell Labour that he stands down on Friday. Applications open immediately and close on Sunday.
NEC select candidate on Monday/Thursday 9th. Nominations close on Thursday 11th IIRC
www.burnhamformayor.co.uk/parliamentary_candidate_for_leigh