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BigRich

First

kle4

Leavers don't care about parish councils etc etc

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

LD's are recovering from a very low base

Scott_P

Grand National

Rogue Angel

Wonderful Charm

Wounded Warrior

Scrapheap_as_was

5th like Harry Kane's goal but for the cross bar

ThreeQuidder

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Nailed on LD majority in 2020?

kle4

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

What counts as sweeping?

BigRich

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Can somebody help me out: what does PCBE stand for?

kle4

Fun fact, the two of those LD by election gains to take place round my way, are both up for election this May, and neither of the winners is restanding.

ThreeQuidder

kle4 said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

What counts as sweeping?

150 seats, I'd say. They lost 124 in 2013 and the mood music from the ultra-partisan amongst the LDs is that all of that and more will be got back.

kle4

BigRich said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Can somebody help me out: what does PCBE stand for?

Parish Council By Election.

JosiasJessop

BigRich said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Can somebody help me out: what does PCBE stand for?

Guessing: Parish Council By-Elections.

I guess used by people for whom elections only count when their side wins.

Edit: ninja'd by KLE4

kle4

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

What counts as sweeping?

150 seats, I'd say. They lost 124 in 2013 and the mood music from the ultra-partisan amongst the LDs is that all of that and more will be got back.

Seems possible, a little more than the Rallings and Thrasher prediction, but won't be easy.

AlastairMeeks

The headline is not true of Labour.

MarkSenior

kle4 said:

Fun fact, the two of those LD by election gains to take place round my way, are both up for election this May, and neither of the winners is restanding.

What is round your way ?

kle4

MarkSenior said:

kle4 said:

Fun fact, the two of those LD by election gains to take place round my way, are both up for election this May, and neither of the winners is restanding.

What is round your way ?

Wiltshire.

williamglenn

AlastairMeeks said:

The headline is not true of Labour.

Remainers did support Labour. Do they now?

AndyJS

O/T

The polling ratings of the Swedish Moderate Party appear to have taken a significant dip in the last few weeks, with most other parties benefiting. The two most recent polls put them on 15.4% and 17.8%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Swedish_general_election,_2018#Parties

ThreeQuidder

JosiasJessop said:

BigRich said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Can somebody help me out: what does PCBE stand for?

Guessing: Parish Council By-Elections.

I guess used by people for whom elections only count when their side wins.

Edit: ninja'd by KLE4

I've been dismissive of them long before the name was coined here. And I voted LD in 2015, so enough with the snide "their side" comments.

There are two major problems with using them to judge what will happen at a parliamentary general election:

(1) Small sample size
(2) Many of them don't have the same parties standing as previously

We can learn more from a single parliamentary by-election (with appropriate care given to any special circumstances) than months of PCBEs. We can also learn more from an annual round of council elections than from months of PCBEs, but possibly not than we learn from parliamentary by-elections.

Floater

Gosh, there can't be any other reason can there?

Looking forward to the Lib Dems forming the next government.... not.

isam

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

PClipp

kle4 said:

Fun fact, the two of those LD by election gains to take place round my way, are both up for election this May, and neither of the winners is restanding.

Perhaps they did not think they would be elected. One measure of the movement towards a party is that people get elected unexpectedly. I wonder how many of the current crop of Conservative MPs who got elected only because the Conservatives cheated at the general election, will stand down next time.

Charles

Scott_P said:

Grand National

Rogue Angel

Wonderful Charm

Wounded Warrior

Is that the job spec for the next UKIP leader?

IanB2

The consensus here a few days ago on Labour was that they will do significantly worse in terms of seats than the academics are forecasting. Things have hardly improved for them since then, with Livingstone and the rest.

If Labour losses are much greater, so also must be some other party(ies)' gains.

Sean_F

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

LD's are recovering from a very low base

They have about 1,900 local council seats, their lowest number since 1992. They ought to be winning seats back.

Philip_Thompson

Sandpit said:

When compared to the French company, the British one is less likely to retrain existing staff, but also more likely to hire staff for specific projects, and more likely to hire people at all rather than robots.

There are advantages and disadvantages of both approaches, so the UK, having previously concentrated on getting people out of bed in the morning, now need to focus on employee training/retraining and under-employment/casual contracts.

Indeed the UK not only has an unemployment rate close to full employment (5.4% vs 10.5% in France) but our participation rate is completely different too. We have 78.4% labour force participation rate compared to 55.9% in France.

Comparing macroeconomic efficiency figures between those two models without the rest of the picture is not seeing the woods for the trees.

kle4

PClipp said:

kle4 said:

Fun fact, the two of those LD by election gains to take place round my way, are both up for election this May, and neither of the winners is restanding.

Perhaps they did not think they would be elected. One measure of the movement towards a party is that people get elected unexpectedly. I wonder how many of the current crop of Conservative MPs who got elected only because the Conservatives cheated at the general election, will stand down next time.

One was definitely unexpected, they are still at uni. The other was expected but has changed work and family situations. It was no criticism.

SirNorfolkPassmore

JosiasJessop said:

BigRich said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Can somebody help me out: what does PCBE stand for?

Guessing: Parish Council By-Elections.

I guess used by people for whom elections only count when their side wins.

Edit: ninja'd by KLE4

Can't be that as the figures don't include any parish council level by-elections (they are not principal authorities). Anyway, I suppose we broadly know what ThreeQuidder means - local council by-elections..

Philip_Thompson

williamglenn said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The headline is not true of Labour.

Remainers did support Labour. Do they now?

More Remainers than Leavers still I believe.

Sean_F

Philip_Thompson said:

Sandpit said:

Indeed. Hiring a high school dropout who has never worked before may mean that they need a lot of couching and support. They probably will not be at all efficient. But over time their confidence and experience can grow and they will become more efficient eventually.

Or we can leave them on the scrapheap of mass youth unemployment whereby they have no role or potential or future. But hey at least they're not depressing our macroeconomic efficiency figures right?

When compared to the French company, the British one is less likely to retrain existing staff, but also more likely to hire staff for specific projects, and more likely to hire people at all rather than robots.

There are advantages and disadvantages of both approaches, so the UK, having previously concentrated on getting people out of bed in the morning, now need to focus on employee training/retraining and under-employment/casual contracts.

Indeed the UK not only has an unemployment rate close to full employment (5.4% vs 10.5% in France) but our participation rate is completely different too. We have 78.4% labour force participation rate compared to 55.9% in France.

Comparing macroeconomic efficiency figures between those two models without the rest of the picture is not seeing the woods for the trees.

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

kle4

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

Grand National

Rogue Angel

Wonderful Charm

Wounded Warrior

Is that the job spec for the next UKIP leader?

Brilliant

Philip_Thompson

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

Gallowgate

@Sean_F, out of interest, what's the French welfare system like? Is it generous?

Sandpit

Philip_Thompson said:

Sandpit said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Indeed. Hiring a high school dropout who has never worked before may mean that they need a lot of couching and support. They probably will not be at all efficient. But over time their confidence and experience can grow and they will become more efficient eventually.

Or we can leave them on the scrapheap of mass youth unemployment whereby they have no role or potential or future. But hey at least they're not depressing our macroeconomic efficiency figures right?

When compared to the French company, the British one is less likely to retrain existing staff, but also more likely to hire staff for specific projects, and more likely to hire people at all rather than robots.

There are advantages and disadvantages of both approaches, so the UK, having previously concentrated on getting people out of bed in the morning, now need to focus on employee training/retraining and under-employment/casual contracts.

Indeed the UK not only has an unemployment rate close to full employment (5.4% vs 10.5% in France) but our participation rate is completely different too. We have 78.4% labour force participation rate compared to 55.9% in France.

Comparing macroeconomic efficiency figures between those two models without the rest of the picture is not seeing the woods for the trees.

Agree, the labour markets in UK and France are very different, any single statistic will be way out of context on its own - but then most people using them are politicians not economists!

The participation rate in France is much lower than I expected, even with the higher unemployment. I'd guess that many fewer married women work in France, and that there isn't the same pressure on housing costs as in the UK. Other factors would be that immigration has had a lower impact on the middle income jobs in France, so eg. a skilled tradesman can earn enough to support a family.

TheWhiteRabbit

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

I rather enjoyed it!!

Sunil_Prasannan

LIBDEMS - SPINNING HERE!!!

ThreeQuidder

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

JosiasJessop said:

BigRich said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

Can somebody help me out: what does PCBE stand for?

Guessing: Parish Council By-Elections.

I guess used by people for whom elections only count when their side wins.

Edit: ninja'd by KLE4

Can't be that as the figures don't include any parish council level by-elections (they are not principal authorities). Anyway, I suppose we broadly know what ThreeQuidder means - local council by-elections..

I think the nickname was coined after Corbyn made a big deal about winning an actual parish council by-election.

But the name fits so well...

williamglenn

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

I rather enjoyed it!!

Time for Tim Farron to give us a rendition of Don't Leave Me This Way by The Communards?

Sandpit

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

Quite the weirdest hour of television I've seen in ages.

Ed Miliband and four comedians, who introduce him alongside a big stone promising not to take the piss, then five minutes about Syria, chemical weapons and difficult decisions, then 40 minutes of relentless pisstaking (at which he actually did okay), then a couple of sketches at the end before finishing with a song!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C08hiJe6g_k

Not sure many people will take him too seriously any more to be honest, unfortunately for Alistair's 200/1 bet!

Sunil_Prasannan

williamglenn said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

I rather enjoyed it!!

Time for Tim Farron do give us a rendition of Don't Leave Me This Way by The Communards?

Leave in Silence by Depeche Mode
Leaving me Now by Level 42
Only When You Leave by Spandau Ballet

TheWhiteRabbit

Sandpit said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

Quite the weirdest hour of television I've seen in ages.

Ed Miliband and four comedians, who introduce him alongside a big stone promising not to take the piss, then five minutes about Syria, chemical weapons and difficult decisions, then 40 minutes of relentless pisstaking (at which he actually did okay), then a couple of sketches at the end before finishing with a song!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C08hiJe6g_k

Not sure many people will take him too seriously any more to be honest, unfortunately for Alistair's 200/1 bet!

Not sure about the betting aspect, I think Ed would need to remodel his public image anyway if he did want to return to the front bench. (Think Boris)

BigRich

Philip_Thompson said:

Sandpit said:

When compared to the French company, the British one is less likely to retrain existing staff, but also more likely to hire staff for specific projects, and more likely to hire people at all rather than robots.

There are advantages and disadvantages of both approaches, so the UK, having previously concentrated on getting people out of bed in the morning, now need to focus on employee training/retraining and under-employment/casual contracts.

Indeed the UK not only has an unemployment rate close to full employment (5.4% vs 10.5% in France) but our participation rate is completely different too. We have 78.4% labour force participation rate compared to 55.9% in France.

Comparing macroeconomic efficiency figures between those two models without the rest of the picture is not seeing the woods for the trees.

IIRC the UK unemployment rate is now down to 4.8 %

Peter_the_Punter

Scott_P said:

Grand National

Rogue Angel

Wonderful Charm

Wounded Warrior

Good luck, ScottP.

Fwiw, my speculative suggestions are Blaklion, Double Shuffle, O'Faolains Boy, and Measureofmydreams.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

Sunil_Prasannan said:

williamglenn said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

I rather enjoyed it!!

Time for Tim Farron do give us a rendition of Don't Leave Me This Way by The Communards?

Leave in Silence by Depeche Mode
Leaving me Now by Level 42
Only When You Leave by Spandau Ballet

50 ways to leave your lover Paul Simon

HurstLlama

"... a skilled tradesman can earn enough to support a family...."

Given the rates they charge I'd be amazed if a skilled tradesman couldn't support a family in the UK. I have had various work done recently and even decorators, a semi-skilled job, don't come for less than £200 a day. The chap who did the bathroom was £400 a day and I still cannot find a brickie at any price.

MarkHopkins

HurstLlama said:

"... a skilled tradesman can earn enough to support a family...."

Given the rates they charge I'd be amazed if a skilled tradesman couldn't support a family in the UK. I have had various work done recently and even decorators, a semi-skilled job, don't come for less than £200 a day. The chap who did the bathroom was £400 a day and I still cannot find a brickie at any price.

I still cannot find a brickie at any price

Tried this?

http://www.checkatrade.com/Search/?location=hurstpierpoint&cat=1379

GeoffM

Peter_the_Punter said:

Scott_P said:

Grand National

Rogue Angel

Wonderful Charm

Wounded Warrior

Good luck, ScottP.

Fwiw, my speculative suggestions are Blaklion, Double Shuffle, O'Faolains Boy, and Measureofmydreams.

Over the last two or three threads I think just about every horse has been name-checked!

I can only afford one complete lottery this weekend and I'm going to make it the Chinese Grand Prix.

rural_voter

BigRich said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sandpit said:

When compared to the French company, the British one is less likely to retrain existing staff, but also more likely to hire staff for specific projects, and more likely to hire people at all rather than robots.

There are advantages and disadvantages of both approaches, so the UK, having previously concentrated on getting people out of bed in the morning, now need to focus on employee training/retraining and under-employment/casual contracts.

Indeed the UK not only has an unemployment rate close to full employment (5.4% vs 10.5% in France) but our participation rate is completely different too. We have 78.4% labour force participation rate compared to 55.9% in France.

Comparing macroeconomic efficiency figures between those two models without the rest of the picture is not seeing the woods for the trees.

IIRC the UK unemployment rate is now down to 4.8 %

In west Berkshire it's 1.3%, in Reading it's 3%. These are 2013 figures. It could go below 5% if the rest of the UK was more like Berks. http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/small-fall-reading-unemployment-figures-4048759

Come on, government: intervene before breakfast, lunch and dinner.

HYUFD

The header of this thread is wrong given a majority of Labour voters voted Remain and they have lost 13 seats since last May and most SNP voters also voted Remain and they have lost 2 seats. The main reason the LDs have risen the most is because they performed so abysmally from 2010-2015 so the only way was up

HurstLlama

MarkHopkins said:

HurstLlama said:

"... a skilled tradesman can earn enough to support a family...."

Given the rates they charge I'd be amazed if a skilled tradesman couldn't support a family in the UK. I have had various work done recently and even decorators, a semi-skilled job, don't come for less than £200 a day. The chap who did the bathroom was £400 a day and I still cannot find a brickie at any price.

I still cannot find a brickie at any price

Tried this?

http://www.checkatrade.com/Search/?location=hurstpierpoint&cat=1379

Yes, Mr Hopkins, I have. Brickies either don't turn up at all, or fail to submit an estimate, or, in two instances, submit acceptable estimates but then don't actually start work. There is so much housebuilding going on around here that a skilled bricklayer can basically write his own pay cheque and doing a week's worth of repointing doesn't seem to be worth their while.

HaroldO

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

HYUFD

On BBC Parliament's replay of the 1992 election John Major and Chris Patten and Douglas Hurd now arriving at CCO to euphoric party workers now having won an overall majority

justin124

HYUFD said:

The header of this thread is wrong given a majority of Labour voters voted Remain and they have lost 13 seats since last May and most SNP voters also voted Remain and they have lost 2 seats. The main reason the LDs have risen the most is because they performed so abysmally from 2010-2015 so the only way was up

That is a fair point . Also nearly 40% of Tories voted Remain!

HYUFD

justin124 said:

HYUFD said:

The header of this thread is wrong given a majority of Labour voters voted Remain and they have lost 13 seats since last May and most SNP voters also voted Remain and they have lost 2 seats. The main reason the LDs have risen the most is because they performed so abysmally from 2010-2015 so the only way was up

That is a fair point . Also nearly 40% of Tories voted Remain!

Certainly, including me

GeoffM

HYUFD said:

The header of this thread is wrong given a majority of Labour voters voted Remain and they have lost 13 seats since last May and most SNP voters also voted Remain and they have lost 2 seats. The main reason the LDs have risen the most is because they performed so abysmally from 2010-2015 so the only way was up

Even a dead cat bounces slightly.

Scott_P

Peter_the_Punter said:

Good luck, ScottP.

Fwiw, my speculative suggestions are Blaklion, Double Shuffle, O'Faolains Boy, and Measureofmydreams.

Cheers Peter.

I didn't realise this was a Brigadoon thread. A post by PtP. Only appears once every hundred...

EDIT: the sneaky tip I got from "the dream team" at Cheltenham is apparently still running...

stodge

Afternoon all

I hope those enjoying the 1992 election coverage will enjoy the 1997 coverage which may be shown over Easter.

HYUFD

stodge said:

Afternoon all

I hope those enjoying the 1992 election coverage will enjoy the 1997 coverage which may be shown over Easter.

Something for Tory and Labour voters (and to be charitable the latter need it more than the former at the moment!)

felix

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

williamglenn said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

I rather enjoyed it!!

Time for Tim Farron do give us a rendition of Don't Leave Me This Way by The Communards?

Leave in Silence by Depeche Mode
Leaving me Now by Level 42
Only When You Leave by Spandau Ballet

50 ways to leave your lover Paul Simon

LDs - 50 shades of yellow by Mark Oaten exMP

malcolmg

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Peter_the_Punter

Scott_P said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Good luck, ScottP.

Fwiw, my speculative suggestions are Blaklion, Double Shuffle, O'Faolains Boy, and Measureofmydreams.

Cheers Peter.

I didn't realise this was a Brigadoon thread. A post by PtP. Only appears once every hundred...

EDIT: the sneaky tip I got from "the dream team" at Cheltenham is apparently still running...

If you believe anything 'the dream team' tells you, you must be a very gullible man, Scott.

Atb

surbiton

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Another header about PCBEs? You're going to look very silly if the LDs don't make sweeping gains next month...

What counts as sweeping?

150 seats, I'd say. They lost 124 in 2013 and the mood music from the ultra-partisan amongst the LDs is that all of that and more will be got back.

It could be 175.

Mortimer

My tip for the National is a place for Le Mercurey - can't see why Nichols is running him unless he expects a repeat performance of his chase of Many Clouds in December.

DYOR.

Mortimer

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

malcolmg

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

surbiton

Philip_Thompson said:

williamglenn said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The headline is not true of Labour.

Remainers did support Labour. Do they now?

More Remainers than Leavers still I believe.

It is the Remainers party.

HaroldO

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

If you are in, you are in and you get the benefits. The problem is if you aren't employed then it is hard to find a job, much harder than here and the younger you are the harder it is.
The best route would be the best of both worlds, but that is going to be very difficult to somehow get to.

malcolmg

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

TheWhiteRabbit

NOOORRRRWWWWICCCCHHHHH

Balls will be proud

HYUFD

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

Australia, Spain, Italy, Japan amongst developed nations all have tougher welfare states or longer working hours than the UK does

Mortimer

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

The only 'malaise in the union' is being stoked by uppity Nationalists in Scotland...

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

Floater

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Tell people in Normandy and Brittany that they get good salaries........

You might be surprised at what they tell you.

malcolmg

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

The only 'malaise in the union' is being stoked by uppity Nationalists in Scotland...

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

The Tories and their chums will not cut off that suppply for sure

Mortimer

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

The only 'malaise in the union' is being stoked by uppity Nationalists in Scotland...

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

The Tories and their chums will not cut off that suppply for sure

The SNP don't seem to want to; what is this week's desired outcome?

IanB2

GeoffM said:

HYUFD said:

The header of this thread is wrong given a majority of Labour voters voted Remain and they have lost 13 seats since last May and most SNP voters also voted Remain and they have lost 2 seats. The main reason the LDs have risen the most is because they performed so abysmally from 2010-2015 so the only way was up

Even a dead cat bounces slightly.

Must be a rubber cat to make it up to two thirds of the vote in Aylesbury...

MrsB

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

Sandpit

felix said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

williamglenn said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/850704812421382144

I rather enjoyed it!!

Time for Tim Farron do give us a rendition of Don't Leave Me This Way by The Communards?

Leave in Silence by Depeche Mode
Leaving me Now by Level 42
Only When You Leave by Spandau Ballet

50 ways to leave your lover Paul Simon

LDs - 50 shades of yellow by Mark Oaten exMP

Wonder what happened to him? *innocent face*

williamglenn

Mortimer said:

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

Beneath a veneer of conservatism your rhetoric is that of a Trotskyite. In other circumstances you'd be mouthing off about 'scabs' undermining the proletariat by 'willing to work at low wages'.

Sandpit

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

malcolmg

Floater said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Tell people in Normandy and Brittany that they get good salaries........

You might be surprised at what they tell you.

May well , I only know ones from big companies so may well be different elsewhere.

malcolmg

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

Thanks for that , it was boring enough reading what I did , and outside in sun so hard enough to see at best. I shall give myself a good talking to.

malcolmg

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

The only 'malaise in the union' is being stoked by uppity Nationalists in Scotland...

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

The Tories and their chums will not cut off that suppply for sure

The SNP don't seem to want to; what is this week's desired outcome?

Scotland could do with some immigration and some decent policies , if only the UK government would allow it.
PS: You sound like a snotty little twerp, hope you find yourself as one of those low paid workers some day and no mummy to help you out.

Mortimer

williamglenn said:

Mortimer said:

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

Beneath a veneer of conservatism your rhetoric is that of a Trotskyite. In other circumstances you'd be mouthing off about 'scabs' undermining the proletariat by 'willing to work at low wages'.

This must be a record - called a Neo-Fascist and a Trot in the same fortnight! Both incorrect labels by loud Remainers, Surprise surprise!

malcolmg

Sandpit said:

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

Sandpit , you laughing at me

Sandpit

malcolmg said:

Sandpit said:

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

Sandpit , you laughing at me

Would I ever laugh at you, Malcolm?

malcolmg

HaroldO said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

If you are in, you are in and you get the benefits. The problem is if you aren't employed then it is hard to find a job, much harder than here and the younger you are the harder it is.
The best route would be the best of both worlds, but that is going to be very difficult to somehow get to.

Unfortunately UK policy has been for low wage economy for a long time , we see the results of that big style, a small elite rich at the top , middle lot paying to subsidise all the low wages/unemployed and rampant immigration to get wages as low as they can.

Mortimer

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

The only 'malaise in the union' is being stoked by uppity Nationalists in Scotland...

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

The Tories and their chums will not cut off that suppply for sure

The SNP don't seem to want to; what is this week's desired outcome?

Scotland could do with some immigration and some decent policies , if only the UK government would allow it.
PS: You sound like a snotty little twerp, hope you find yourself as one of those low paid workers some day and no mummy to help you out.

Almost worth Scotland seeing become Indy to see just how little French style socialism they can afford.

GeoffM

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

That's printed at the bottom of every article in the Guardian too

malcolmg

Sandpit said:

malcolmg said:

Sandpit said:

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

Sandpit , you laughing at me

Would I ever laugh at you, Malcolm?

Adding mocking to it now:)
PS: No derision or I will be crying

HurstLlama

malcolmg said:

Sandpit said:

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

Sandpit , you laughing at me

Why not? Everyone else is. How could you have possibly been fooled by that obvious spoof? Mr. G, I am surprised at you

Morris_Dancer

Good evening, my fellow F1 enthusiasts.

Pre-race ramble with two tips by me and more in the comments:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/china-pre-race-2017.html

Difficult one to predict but the grid, and weather, is intriguingly poised.

Theuniondivvie

TheWhiteRabbit said:

NOOORRRRWWWWICCCCHHHHH

Balls will be proud

Not often Norwich supporters get to count their goals on both hands.

malcolmg

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

Mortimer said:

malcolmg said:

HaroldO said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Sean_F said:

Without doubt, French productivity numbers are very impressive, but the downside is that the least productive sections of the population can't get employed.

Indeed what is not clear to me is which is cause and which is effect.

My boss is French and I asked her about why she left, simply in France once you are in an industry that is it for your career. You cannot move about, you cannot change roles, you stay in that role until you retire and of course you get promoted etc. But you are stuck in that narrow role forever.
This may explain productivity and the unemployment rate.

They do get good salaries , and for early retirement etc they can get big payouts unlike the measly sums often doled out in UK. Very good pensions as well , far far superior to UK.

Presumably 'You can't touch me I'm part of the Union' is your theme tune eh, Malc?

What has that got to do wit hFrench have better social policies than the UK. Lots of derision on here whilst UK workers are treated like crap compared to other countries. Key point is apart from the US the UK is the meanest country in te civilised world to its non rich resoidents. I presume from your silly remark that you hav eplent yof cash and don't like peasants to get uppity.

PS: I am no lefty I am among the top 5-10 % salary wise in the in the UK but recognise the malaise in the union

The only 'malaise in the union' is being stoked by uppity Nationalists in Scotland...

Better standards of living for the lower paid will be most speedily achieved through reducing supply of those willing to work at low wages.

The Tories and their chums will not cut off that suppply for sure

The SNP don't seem to want to; what is this week's desired outcome?

Scotland could do with some immigration and some decent policies , if only the UK government would allow it.
PS: You sound like a snotty little twerp, hope you find yourself as one of those low paid workers some day and no mummy to help you out.

Almost worth Scotland seeing become Indy to see just how little French style socialism they can afford.

Your wish will be granted soon.

TheWhiteRabbit

Theuniondivvie said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

NOOORRRRWWWWICCCCHHHHH

Balls will be proud

Not often Norwich supporters get to count their goals on both hands.

Which is pretty surprising considering that only takes three :P

malcolmg

HurstLlama said:

malcolmg said:

Sandpit said:

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

Sandpit , you laughing at me

Why not? Everyone else is. How could you have possibly been fooled by that obvious spoof? Mr. G, I am surprised at you

Hurst I am in the garden , can hardly see the laptop screen , a few glasses of lemonade taken , so easy mistake to make. I will never live it down.
PS: I was really just testing to see if anyone would notice. MRSB gets a gold star for observance.

BannedInParis

Had a thought about how to present this data - net gains as each month progresses. Three or four different coloured lines.

More than happy to play if someone wants to send 2015 to now data ...

Mortimer

malcolmg said:

HurstLlama said:

malcolmg said:

Sandpit said:

MrsB said:

malcolmg said:

Things starting to hot up I see......
Tesco CEO Dave Lewis, speaking at a press conference this morning at the Welwyn Garden City Headquarters, announced that the UK retailer will be relocating head offices to Malta. This decision was taken following several discussions with shareholders, with the majority of shareholders showing preference of relocating to Malta instead of to Cyprus, the next best option for the brand’s relocation.

you should have read down to the bottom of the article mate:
"Image courtesy of Business Insider. NB: The information in this article is completely fake. This is part of a university project, and does not reflect the truth. All quotations are fabricated and are not to be taken as true"

LOL!

Sandpit , you laughing at me

Why not? Everyone else is. How could you have possibly been fooled by that obvious spoof? Mr. G, I am surprised at you

Hurst I am in the garden , can hardly see the laptop screen , a few glasses of lemonade taken , so easy mistake to make. I will never live it down.

Ach I wouldn't worry. It's not as if anyone still mentions the Monty Hall problem to scottP...

TheWhiteRabbit

Right time to step away from the keyboard less I attempt to cash in my £2 ew on the National.

tlg86

One thing is for sure, this race won't be starting at 17:15....