Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Well, I have left the Labour party. I can't share it with Livingstone and his Jew-baiting apologists.
That makes me very sad.
And me, but the Livingstone whitewash is the final nail in the coffin. How can I possibly share a party with that disgusting, morally bankrupt anti-Semite and all the Jew-baiters that are out in force defending him today? How can I give it money or any of my time to a party that allows him to continue as a member? I just can't. And, to be honest, even though it makes me sad to have done it, it also comes as a huge relief. I can't defend any of what Labour currently seems to stand for and I believe the leadership not only to be utterly incompetent, but also thoroughly nasty. I can understand those who wish to stay to fight to save Labour and I wish them all the luck in the world; they are better men and women than me and will one day, I hope, be hailed as heroes. For me, though, the war is over. Jew-baiting is just a bridge too far.
If you leave, and don't join a competing party, they win.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
At least with Galloway you can follow the money.
With Livingstone and Labour you can follow the voters.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
So what do you think is currently the most likely left-of-centre/progressive replacement for the current regime?
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
Corbyn might be gone but sadly Corbynism will live on !
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
In truth ,of course, there are likely to be anti-Semites in all political parties.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
The First Minister's inaugural visit to the USA also saw the announcement of a multi-million pound investment by one of the world’s largest electronics firms, Jabil, promising hundreds of new jobs in West Lothian.
But as she heads back across the Atlantic for a six-day visit to California and New York, that £12.5million investment, supported by a £450,000 grant from Scottish Enterprise, has come to nothing.
The company announced last week it would end manufacturing at its Livingston site by the end of the year, resulting in the loss of 220 jobs.
Her other American dream, the Glasgow Caledonian University campus in New York City, has also proved unsuccessful as it still has no students.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
In any normal world, a party Deputy Leader who issued a public statement that the party's actions 'shame us all' would conclude his statement by announcing his immediate resignation.
I think if he were an appointee to a Shadow Cabinet post, rather than an elected, unsackable Deputy Leader trying to manouver the party to a different place, then a resignation would already have happened on any one of several occasions.
HIs current role is likely to be, by quite a long margin, the best fit for his particular skills that he will have in his entire political career.
Watson has a unique chance to sort out the mess, before he becomes part of it. He's the one independent of Corbyn who can build a party machine behind him.
Arguably, right-wing Old Labour needs to recover control of the party. The interests which created New Labour took the attitude 'bugger the principles' but the Old Labour right haven't changed their views much, it's those around them who sometimes have (Kinnock being an egregious example).
If Watson typifies that wing of the party, maybe he's the man to do it after the predicted 2020 defeat. He's young enough, especially if he could lose some weight (!)
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
"The Holocaust was massively exaggerated by Zionist leaders."
Does Ken mean Hitler? ... difficult to tell these days !!
Does he really want every Jewish member of the Labour party to leave? That's what it seems like
Another question to which the answer is Yes.
The risk is not just that Jewish members leave. But that anyone with any shred of decency also leaves.
When a party refuses to properly discipline someone who has disappeared into the wilder shores of nutjob conspiracies/holocaust denial and anti-Semitism, it is not just Jews who are appalled but anyone with a moral compass.
Too many whinging easily upset people nowadays, it is pretty pathetic. What he said was a bit stupid but it harmed no-one and any sensible person would just laugh at him as a silly old man. He is entitled to his opinion , [people can challenge it or ignore it but he is entitled to have it. Far too many "Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" about.
Anti-Semitism harms real people. You only have to see the rise in attacks on Jews in Europe in recent years to see that a claim that spreading hatred about Jews has no consequences is laughable.
He is entitled to his opinions - as is, say, Nick Griffin or David Irving - but this is not about his right to say offensive stuff.
It's about whether the Labour party is really willing to stand up for and enforce the values it claims to believe in. And the evidence is that it isn't. On the contrary, Labour is proving that its so-called values are so much hot air and that it does not have a real problem with being a comfortable home for people with the sorts of views which would more usually find a congenial home in the BNP and other similar organisations.
Yes, must say I don't understand all this anti-semitism but maybe that i scircles I mov ein or I just don't notice it, hav eto say I am bemused when people say it is rife. I have seen some nasty incidents with people dubing synagogues but not aware of why peopel would be anti-semitic or hate Jewish people in the first instance. All seems crazy to me but the country certainly has a big share of lowlifes and has been deteriorating over the last 30 years. Would make an intelligent sensible human being despair.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
At least with Galloway you can follow the money.
With Livingstone and Labour you can follow the voters.
I'm not sure responding to anti-Semitism with what could very easily be seen as a pretty general anti-muslim jibe (even if that was not your intention) is helpful.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
a LOT less than May's butt licking trip of the middle east. At least Sturgeon is not championing the murder of women and children for money on her trip.
I'm not sure who will get through to round 2, but I'm getting more and more convinced it won't be Fillon.
I have been keeping Fillon onside, but really his current odds do not justify me doing so. It is just possible he is being underestimated and there are a lot of shy Fillon supporters, but the gap he has to make up is as wide as ever and the days are ticking away.
I think Potou probably hit home with alot of French voters last night when sticking the boot in to Fillon. I particularly like this report this morning:
"In the most dramatic episode of last night’s debate, Mr Poutou said: “Since January, it’s been a goldmine.
“With Fillon, the more you look, the more corruption and cheating you find. He’s a guy who tells you we must tighten our belts and have austerity but who dips into the public coffers.”
As Mr Fillon stood by shaking his head, and pleading with his rival to stop, Mr Poutou turned his fire on Ms Le Pen.
He said: “It’s the same with Le Pen, you dip into the public coffers, if not here then in Europe.”
Mr Poutou was particularly outraged that both right-wing candidates can claim political immunity from prosecution if they are elected president, saying “ordinary workers don’t have immunity” if they find themselves in trouble with the law."
Poutou has been the talk of the office here (in a suburb of Paris) today. Not that people are going to vote for him, but I think his approach in the debate was quite refreshing and went down well with a lot of people. Certainly of all the mini candidates I think he had the most impact on the debate.
Assilineau managed to make Le Pen's frexit policy look sensible and moderate so she may be happy with that. Dupont seemed very pompous to me. Lassalle seemed drunk, Arthaud shouty, and the other one seemed like an eccentric grandfather.
Absolutely not. Not only do voters want Gibraltar to stay British by a huge majority a plurality would not even concede any sovereignty to Spain even if that was the only think which would give the UK a free trade deal
The car industry doesn't call the UK Treasure Island for nothing.
Any source for that quote?
Britain, contrary to conventional wisdom, remains the way and ahead biggest export market for German made cars. So much so in fact that a small country, long seen as a ‘treasure island’ by Germany’s autoindustry bigwigs, currently soaks up more German-made cars than comparative giants like the USA and China
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
In truth ,of course, there are likely to be anti-Semites in all political parties.
But most give them more than a token slap on the wrist when they raise their ugly head.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
So what do you think is currently the most likely left-of-centre/progressive replacement for the current regime?
Not my party, but there have been times when I've felt much politically closer to you and Southam than ever before, particularly prior to the Brexit vote. It's a shame we've parted since.
From a Tory point of view (and you do need to win some of us over to win) it's when I don't feel that our national independence, or sense of nationhood, is threatened that I feel closest to Labour. If you get that right, combined with a rational approach to budgets, and money, then you have a chance.
I'd suggest you need someone with courage to stand up (a) to the Left-wing extremists and (b) to the ex-Blairites trying to refight the battles of the past, and lead and redefine what Labour stands for.
The only potential leader I've seen come close to getting this (and that I'd be scared of) is Ed Balls. But God knows how you get him elected past the membership.
Well, I have left the Labour party. I can't share it with Livingstone and his Jew-baiting apologists. I have joined the Jewish Labour Movement instead to show some solidarity at a really shitty time for Jews on the left (and others too, I imagine). Handily, that will also allow me a vote in any future leadership election. I urge any other thoroughly pissed off and ashamed Labour members to do the same.
You must believe you are showing showing solidarity with a persecuted minority?
I went to my aunts funeral in Edinburgh recently. Despite coming from a prominent Scottish Jewish family she spent most of her life supporting the Palestinian cause including writing several books on the subject. There were several Palestinian groups at her funeral. Zionism is a complex nationalist movement. It allows a right of return (automatic citizenship) to those of us who may never have visited the country and refuse admission to those who were not only born there but whose families had lived there for generations.
Before following the knee jerk reactions of those reacting to the stupid (and possibly anti semitic) rantings of an old time lefty I'd read more about it.
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
In truth ,of course, there are likely to be anti-Semites in all political parties.
But most give them more than a token slap on the wrist when they raise their ugly head.
Maybe so - but there were a good number in the Tory Party in the 1930s - including their Parliamentary Party.
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
In any normal world, a party Deputy Leader who issued a public statement that the party's actions 'shame us all' would conclude his statement by announcing his immediate resignation.
I think if he were an appointee to a Shadow Cabinet post, rather than an elected, unsackable Deputy Leader trying to manouver the party to a different place, then a resignation would already have happened on any one of several occasions.
HIs current role is likely to be, by quite a long margin, the best fit for his particular skills that he will have in his entire political career.
Watson has a unique chance to sort out the mess, before he becomes part of it. He's the one independent of Corbyn who can build a party machine behind him.
Arguably, right-wing Old Labour needs to recover control of the party. The interests which created New Labour took the attitude 'bugger the principles' but the Old Labour right haven't changed their views much, it's those around them who sometimes have (Kinnock being an egregious example).
If Watson typifies that wing of the party, maybe he's the man to do it after the predicted 2020 defeat. He's young enough, especially if he could lose some weight (!)
The mess Labour finds itself in was entirely predictable when it chose to elect Corbyn as leader. Some of us pointed out before his election the revolting nature of the people Corbyn chose to associate with and praise. We were, as I recall, poo-poohed in a condescending manner by the likes of our own dear @NickPalmer who said that we were making a ludicrous fuss about the fact that Corbyn once happened to meet someone with dodgy views, completely refusing to see and/or downplaying exactly what Corbyn was doing and saying.
And now we find that the Labour party fish has indeed started to rot from the head and stink very nastily indeed.
Who could possibly have imagined that such a thing might happen?
The car industry doesn't call the UK Treasure Island for nothing.
It's excellent news, but if you were going to buy a new car then March was definitely the month to do it with the tax changes.
For sure, BMW kindly did everything they could to get my new car into the country before the end of March. In the end it arrived on the 30th and the registered it for me while it was still at the port.
Saved me a couple of grand.
When I returned to the UK in 2015 the long haired general wanted us to buy an X5. I tentatively agreed but persuaded her to visit the Range Rover showroom on the way there. We bought an Evoque! She loves it and agrees it's a better car than the X5. Huzzah! (Doing my bit)
Of course its Remain voters who want to sell Gibraltar down the river get the best deal:
If the status of Gibraltar was the only thing preventing the UK from getting a much better Brexit deal, would you support passing at least some sovereignty over the territory to Spain? Net 'Yes' Remain: +9 Leave: -24
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
In truth ,of course, there are likely to be anti-Semites in all political parties.
Not sadly to the degree there is in Labour. Is it down to the courting of the Muslim vote or just about Israel?
Well, I have left the Labour party. I can't share it with Livingstone and his Jew-baiting apologists. I have joined the Jewish Labour Movement instead to show some solidarity at a really shitty time for Jews on the left (and others too, I imagine). Handily, that will also allow me a vote in any future leadership election. I urge any other thoroughly pissed off and ashamed Labour members to do the same.
I'm not sure there's any natural response to that. I can fully understand your feelings: your frustration, anger and sense of having had something stolen from you. And at the same time, your knowledge that leaving just improves ever so slightly the position of those responsible for it all. Is it a lost cause? I don't think so and your retaining a leadership vote is very sensible. still, it must have been a difficult decision and respect to you for going through with it.
The car industry doesn't call the UK Treasure Island for nothing.
Any source for that quote?
I was listening to some talking heads from the industry on Radio 4. Unfortunately I can't remember which one it was who said it.
Thanks, it would be useful to see an original of this rather than the apocryphal. The only one I've seen properly sourced is a banking reference to the UK as treasure island because its consumers do nothing to minimise their credit costs and other late payment fees.
Aren't those Leavers seeing the wrong type of comedians? Surely Jim Davidson would be more up their street.
It is a bit curious, heading off to see Stewart Lee and getting offended by some anti anti-immigration quips is a bit like seeing Chubby and expecting a politically correct sketch.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
The First Minister's inaugural visit to the USA also saw the announcement of a multi-million pound investment by one of the world’s largest electronics firms, Jabil, promising hundreds of new jobs in West Lothian.
But as she heads back across the Atlantic for a six-day visit to California and New York, that £12.5million investment, supported by a £450,000 grant from Scottish Enterprise, has come to nothing.
The company announced last week it would end manufacturing at its Livingston site by the end of the year, resulting in the loss of 220 jobs.
Her other American dream, the Glasgow Caledonian University campus in New York City, has also proved unsuccessful as it still has no students.
Roll up roll up buy your bombs here is the preference of Tory zealots, much easier to make money murdering people. Tories like the easy money option , principles optional or not required.
I'm not sure who will get through to round 2, but I'm getting more and more convinced it won't be Fillon.
I have been keeping Fillon onside, but really his current odds do not justify me doing so. It is just possible he is being underestimated and there are a lot of shy Fillon supporters, but the gap he has to make up is as wide as ever and the days are ticking away.
I think Potou probably hit home with alot of French voters last night when sticking the boot in to Fillon. I particularly like this report this morning:
"In the most dramatic episode of last night’s debate, Mr Poutou said: “Since January, it’s been a goldmine.
“With Fillon, the more you look, the more corruption and cheating you find. He’s a guy who tells you we must tighten our belts and have austerity but who dips into the public coffers.”
As Mr Fillon stood by shaking his head, and pleading with his rival to stop, Mr Poutou turned his fire on Ms Le Pen.
He said: “It’s the same with Le Pen, you dip into the public coffers, if not here then in Europe.”
Mr Poutou was particularly outraged that both right-wing candidates can claim political immunity from prosecution if they are elected president, saying “ordinary workers don’t have immunity” if they find themselves in trouble with the law."
Poutou has been the talk of the office here (in a suburb of Paris) today. Not that people are going to vote for him, but I think his approach in the debate was quite refreshing and went down well with a lot of people. Certainly of all the mini candidates I think he had the most impact on the debate.
Assilineau managed to make Le Pen's frexit policy look sensible and moderate so she may be happy with that. Dupont seemed very pompous to me. Lassalle seemed drunk, Arthaud shouty, and the other one seemed like an eccentric grandfather.
Unfortunately my French is not very good, but I watched the debate and concentrated on the body language and then read all the reports that I could. From what I saw and read, Potou, for me, was the star of the show by a country mile. He was indeed refreshing and I think it really needed to be hammered home, as he did, that Fillon can be let off the hook, if he were to be elected President.
Of course its Remain voters who want to sell Gibraltar down the river get the best deal:
If the status of Gibraltar was the only thing preventing the UK from getting a much better Brexit deal, would you support passing at least some sovereignty over the territory to Spain? Net 'Yes' Remain: +9 Leave: -24
Given some Remainers, including on this site, have more loyalty to the EU than the UK that is not surprising
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
So what do you think is currently the most likely left-of-centre/progressive replacement for the current regime?
Not my party, but there have been times when I've felt much politically closer to you and Southam than ever before, particularly prior to the Brexit vote. It's a shame we've parted since.
From a Tory point of view (and you do need to win some of us over to win) it's when I don't feel that our national independence, or sense of nationhood, is threatened that I feel closest to Labour. If you get that right, combined with a rational approach to budgets, and money, then you have a chance.
I'd suggest you need someone with courage to stand up (a) to the Left-wing extremists and (b) to the ex-Blairites trying to refight the battles of the past, and lead and redefine what Labour stands for.
The only potential leader I've seen come close to getting this (and that I'd be scared of) is Ed Balls. But God knows how you get him elected past the membership.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
The First Minister's inaugural visit to the USA also saw the announcement of a multi-million pound investment by one of the world’s largest electronics firms, Jabil, promising hundreds of new jobs in West Lothian.
But as she heads back across the Atlantic for a six-day visit to California and New York, that £12.5million investment, supported by a £450,000 grant from Scottish Enterprise, has come to nothing.
The company announced last week it would end manufacturing at its Livingston site by the end of the year, resulting in the loss of 220 jobs.
Her other American dream, the Glasgow Caledonian University campus in New York City, has also proved unsuccessful as it still has no students.
Roll up roll up buy your bombs here is the preference of Tory zealots, much easier to make money murdering people. Tories like the easy money option , principles optional or not required.
I thought May was heading to Saudi Arabia to have a stern talk over human rights with them.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
The First Minister's inaugural visit to the USA also saw the announcement of a multi-million pound investment by one of the world’s largest electronics firms, Jabil, promising hundreds of new jobs in West Lothian.
But as she heads back across the Atlantic for a six-day visit to California and New York, that £12.5million investment, supported by a £450,000 grant from Scottish Enterprise, has come to nothing.
The company announced last week it would end manufacturing at its Livingston site by the end of the year, resulting in the loss of 220 jobs.
Her other American dream, the Glasgow Caledonian University campus in New York City, has also proved unsuccessful as it still has no students.
Roll up roll up buy your bombs here is the preference of Tory zealots, much easier to make money murdering people. Tories like the easy money option , principles optional or not required.
How much is this jamboree going to cost the public purse ? Salmond's lavish use of taxpayers' money on his US jaunts was eye popping, Sturgeon may be even more extravagant in wasting other people's money.
FWiW this alone probably pays for the trip many times:
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Drinking whiskey at 10am in public meetings in 2008, frequent slurred speech, crazy bar stool preaching style ramblings on live tv
Well, I have left the Labour party. I can't share it with Livingstone and his Jew-baiting apologists. I have joined the Jewish Labour Movement instead to show some solidarity at a really shitty time for Jews on the left (and others too, I imagine).
You must believe you are showing showing solidarity with a persecuted minority?
I went to my aunts funeral in Edinburgh recently. Despite coming from a prominent Scottish Jewish family she spent most of her life supporting the Palestinian cause including writing several books on the subject. There were several Palestinian groups at her funeral. Zionism is a complex nationalist movement. It allows a right of return (automatic citizenship) to those of us who may never have visited the country and refuse admission to those who were not only born there but whose families had lived there for generations.
Before following the knee jerk reactions of those reacting to the stupid (and possibly anti semitic) rantings of an old time lefty I'd read more about it.
Roger: why do find it so difficult to condemn anti-Semitism here? It is possible to be against anti-Semitism and the attacks on Jews here in Europe and also critical of the current policies of the Israeli government without descending into Holocaust historical revisionism and Jew-baiting. But it is something which seems to be beyond Livingstone and many of his and Corbyn's friends and allies. You are not a stupid man. Does it not ever occur to you that the reason it may be beyond them is because their intent is not to make a reasoned critique of a particular Israeli government and its policies but something more malicious and sinister?
You can criticize the laws in Israel on nationality. You should also note - if you want to be fair - that Israel has Arab citizens whose families lived there for generations and that there are a number of other countries in the Middle East who do not allow Jews to live there, no matter if they too had families who lived there for generations, in some cases for thousands of years, who do not allow them to return and, indeed, who do not allow any Jew from anywhere to enter their country.
The issue of Israel and Palestine is a very complex one. But there is something deeply troubling about why so many (and I accept that your late aunt - and condolences to you on your loss - is not one of these) who claim to be pro-Palestinian feel the need to talk about Israel and Jews in such virulently hateful and often anti-Semitic terms and seek to downplay the suffering which Jews have endured and that they are facing now in Europe. And, for good measure, a similar criticism can be made about the hateful language used by some on the extremes within the settler movement and some of their supporters about Arabs.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Drinking whiskey at 10am in public meetings in 2008, frequent slurred speech, crazy bar stool preaching style ramblings on live tv
I wonder...
If he cannot drink the real stuff he deserves all he gets
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
For someone interested in and committed to politics, leaving their party is always a big decision, whether temporarily as a protest or as the first step in a change of direction. So you deserve our respect for your principled action.
It's a shame that we seem now to be left with just the somewhat dubious Mr Brind for inside analysis thread headers from a Labour perspective, but there we are.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Drinking whiskey at 10am in public meetings in 2008, frequent slurred speech, crazy bar stool preaching style ramblings on live tv
I wonder...
If he cannot drink the real stuff he deserves all he gets
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
In truth ,of course, there are likely to be anti-Semites in all political parties.
But most give them more than a token slap on the wrist when they raise their ugly head.
Maybe so - but there were a good number in the Tory Party in the 1930s - including their Parliamentary Party.
What a marvellously relevant comment to today's world. Squirrel.
Thanks to one and all for the comments down-thread regarding my departure from Labour. As someone once sort of said: it's not so much that I am leaving, it's more that it has finally left me. To clarify: I still see myself on the moderate left, I still think Brexit was a crap idea, I still think this is a mediocre, incompetent government and I still think that Corbyn will be gone next year. It's just I don't think there is room for anti-Semites or any other kind of racist in any political party and I cannot be a part of one that does not agree. And that's that.
So what do you think is currently the most likely left-of-centre/progressive replacement for the current regime?
Not my party, but there have been times when I've felt much politically closer to you and Southam than ever before, particularly prior to the Brexit vote. It's a shame we've parted since.
From a Tory point of view (and you do need to win some of us over to win) it's when I don't feel that our national independence, or sense of nationhood, is threatened that I feel closest to Labour. If you get that right, combined with a rational approach to budgets, and money, then you have a chance.
I'd suggest you need someone with courage to stand up (a) to the Left-wing extremists and (b) to the ex-Blairites trying to refight the battles of the past, and lead and redefine what Labour stands for.
The only potential leader I've seen come close to getting this (and that I'd be scared of) is Ed Balls. But God knows how you get him elected past the membership.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Drinking whiskey at 10am in public meetings in 2008, frequent slurred speech, crazy bar stool preaching style ramblings on live tv
I wonder...
If he cannot drink the real stuff he deserves all he gets
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Drinking whiskey at 10am in public meetings in 2008, frequent slurred speech, crazy bar stool preaching style ramblings on live tv
I wonder...
If he cannot drink the real stuff he deserves all he gets
"Conservative London Assembly member Richard Barnes hit back, saying: "Funny, but this so-called mild bronchitis that strikes in winter never seems to be cured in May, June or July either." "
Aren't those Leavers seeing the wrong type of comedians? Surely Jim Davidson would be more up their street.
It is a bit curious, heading off to see Stewart Lee and getting offended by some anti anti-immigration quips is a bit like seeing Chubby and expecting a politically correct sketch.
It's probably a question of both of balance, and how funny it was?
I consider myself to have a good sense of humour, and can see the funny side of almost anything. But I went to a Chris Addison show in Cambridge once when he spent 15 minutes being extremely rude about The Queen, where I almost walked out (my wife restrained me).
Now, I admit I am a monarchist, and respect The Queen, but I am open to humour from a Republican point of view. But when he lazily insults her as a "German Nazi b*tch" for laughs, and similar, without putting any creativity or satire into it, it's not surprising if after a time you don't particularly want to sit through it anymore if it's just become a humourless rant.
Audiences are, after all, paying to be entertained. They don't like to be hectored, lectured or for their intelligence to be consistently insulted.
But the worst crime is when it just isn't very funny.
Labour have accidentally nominated two candidates for a one seat division in Scarborough. (The Tories did the same thing in Wolverhampton last year). Luckily for Labour it isn't a seat they hold or are close to winning.
Aren't those Leavers seeing the wrong type of comedians? Surely Jim Davidson would be more up their street.
It is a bit curious, heading off to see Stewart Lee and getting offended by some anti anti-immigration quips is a bit like seeing Chubby and expecting a politically correct sketch.
It's probably a question of both of balance, and how funny it was?
I consider myself to have a good sense of humour, and can see the funny side of almost anything. But I went to a Chris Addison show in Cambridge once when he spent 15 minutes being extremely rude about The Queen, where I almost walked out (my wife restrained me).
Now, I admit I am a monarchist, and respect The Queen, but I am open to humour from a Republican point of view. But when he lazily insults her as a "German Nazi b*tch" for laughs, and similar, without putting any creativity or satire into it, it's not surprising if after a time you don't particularly want to sit through it anymore if it's just become a humourless rant.
Audiences are, after all, paying to be entertained. They don't like to be hectored, lectured or for their intelligence to be consistently insulted.
But the worst crime is when it just isn't very funny.
I have seen him live as well...once...never again....
Mark Thomas on the other hand...proppa leftie...actually funny.
Ross Noble handled the whole Brexit thing the best when I saw him. Started doing some gags about Brexit, realized that he appeared to be talking to an audience of Brexit voters, and made jokes about it all being rather awkward.
Labour have accidentally nominated two candidates for a one seat division in Scarborough. (The Tories did the same thing in Wolverhampton last year). Luckily for Labour it isn't a seat they hold or are close to winning.
Oops! What happens in that situation, are both disqualified?
Another concession from UKIP in Basildon Westley Heights. They won it in 2013, not standing this time. They've already conceded two county council seats in Hampshire by not putting up a candidate in seats they won before. Also the party isn't standing in Harlow where they got between 26% and 30% last time.
There've been a lot of comments along those lines. Were they true, Leave would never have won 52% of the vote.
All them voters in places like Stoke and Sunderland....well know Tory supporters...so much such so they still voted for a foul mouthed moron in a red rosette when given the chance.
Labour have accidentally nominated two candidates for a one seat division in Scarborough. (The Tories did the same thing in Wolverhampton last year). Luckily for Labour it isn't a seat they hold or are close to winning.
Oops! What happens in that situation, are both disqualified?
No, they both appear on the ballot paper. Usually the party will try to tell their voters which candidate to vote for but the other one always ends up getting votes anyway, so it can be a serious mistake in a close election. The Tories just got away with it in Wolverhampton last year. They won by about 100 votes and their other candidate picked up about 400 IIRC.
If they have a 20 minute skit based almost entirely around calling Leavers stupid, and or racist, why are they surprised?
Exactly, Tories have been used to being the butt of left-wing comedians jokes for years but have taken it on the chin as they are generally middle class and reasonably well off, when the same comedians start attacking Leave voters, many of whom are working class and not well off, they do not take quite as kindly to paying good money to be mocked by smug, metropolitan and middle class Remainers
Labour have accidentally nominated two candidates for a one seat division in Scarborough. (The Tories did the same thing in Wolverhampton last year). Luckily for Labour it isn't a seat they hold or are close to winning.
Oops! What happens in that situation, are both disqualified?
Thunderdome! Two men enter, one man leaves*!
*can be substituted for mud wrestling in All Women shortlist seats.
It is very clear what the message of the parliament is. We ask [the European commission] to be very firm towards the UK authorities because we cannot accept that a state outside the union [gets] more favourable [treatment than one inside] - Guy Verhofstadt
After all the wall flowers get upset that the UK was "threatening" the EU last week...the above sounds exactly the same to me.
Aren't those Leavers seeing the wrong type of comedians? Surely Jim Davidson would be more up their street.
It is a bit curious, heading off to see Stewart Lee and getting offended by some anti anti-immigration quips is a bit like seeing Chubby and expecting a politically correct sketch.
It's probably a question of both of balance, and how funny it was?
I consider myself to have a good sense of humour, and can see the funny side of almost anything. But I went to a Chris Addison show in Cambridge once when he spent 15 minutes being extremely rude about The Queen, where I almost walked out (my wife restrained me).
Now, I admit I am a monarchist, and respect The Queen, but I am open to humour from a Republican point of view. But when he lazily insults her as a "German Nazi b*tch" for laughs, and similar, without putting any creativity or satire into it, it's not surprising if after a time you don't particularly want to sit through it anymore if it's just become a humourless rant.
Audiences are, after all, paying to be entertained. They don't like to be hectored, lectured or for their intelligence to be consistently insulted.
But the worst crime is when it just isn't very funny.
I have seen him live as well...once...never again....
Mark Thomas on the other hand...proppa leftie...actually funny.
Ross Noble handled the whole Brexit thing the best when I saw him. Started doing some gags about Brexit, realized that he appeared to be talking to an audience of Brexit voters, and made jokes about it all being rather awkward.
A true comedian can get those who vehemently disagree with them to see the funny side and laugh along, even when they don't really want to.
Aren't those Leavers seeing the wrong type of comedians? Surely Jim Davidson would be more up their street.
It is a bit curious, heading off to see Stewart Lee and getting offended by some anti anti-immigration quips is a bit like seeing Chubby and expecting a politically correct sketch.
It's probably a question of both of balance, and how funny it was?
I consider myself to have a good sense of humour, and can see the funny side of almost anything. But I went to a Chris Addison show in Cambridge once when he spent 15 minutes being extremely rude about The Queen, where I almost walked out (my wife restrained me).
Now, I admit I am a monarchist, and respect The Queen, but I am open to humour from a Republican point of view. But when he lazily insults her as a "German Nazi b*tch" for laughs, and similar, without putting any creativity or satire into it, it's not surprising if after a time you don't particularly want to sit through it anymore if it's just become a humourless rant.
Audiences are, after all, paying to be entertained. They don't like to be hectored, lectured or for their intelligence to be consistently insulted.
But the worst crime is when it just isn't very funny.
I have seen him live as well...once...never again....
Mark Thomas on the other hand...proppa leftie...actually funny.
Ross Noble handled the whole Brexit thing the best when I saw him. Started doing some gags about Brexit, realized that he appeared to be talking to an audience of Brexit voters, and made jokes about it all being rather awkward.
A true comedian can get those who vehemently disagree with them to see the funny side and laugh along, even when they don't really want to.
I should add that Mark Thomas' BRAVO FIGARO! is incredibly raw and touching while also being very funny.
Talking about his abuse opera loving father, whose politics he vehemently disagrees with, but develops progressive supranuclear palsy and dementia. It doesn't sound like it should contain any laughs at all, but it is IMO his best show.
Yes I think the egregiousness of it is that Ken makes out that there was free will involved on the part of the Jews in Germany and that they identified Hitler as a like-minded soul, someone who shared their love and aspirations for a Jewish homeland, and who was, further, "someone they could do business with".
Rather than the fact that the Jews almost certainly realised the threat to them and acted out of desperation, urgency and expediency.
Edit: and that is why Ken's observations are so reprehensible as they denigrate the Jews of Germany, charging them with compliance and collaboration.
I am still totally at a loss to explain his obsession with Hitler and Jews, nor why he persists in baiting on it.
It is baffling. As someone said, perhaps he is actually losing it.
Drinking whiskey at 10am in public meetings in 2008, frequent slurred speech, crazy bar stool preaching style ramblings on live tv
I wonder...
If he cannot drink the real stuff he deserves all he gets
Well, I have left the Labour party. I can't share it with Livingstone and his Jew-baiting apologists. I have joined the Jewish Labour Movement instead to show some solidarity at a really shitty time for Jews on the left (and others too, I imagine).
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Before following the knee jerk reactions of those reacting to the stupid (and possibly anti semitic) rantings of an old time lefty I'd read more about it.
Roger: why do find it so difficult to condemn anti-Semitism here? It is possible to be against anti-Semitism and the attacks on Jews here in Europe and also critical of the current policies of the Israeli government without descending into Holocaust historical revisionism and Jew-baiting. But it is something which seems to be beyond Livingstone and many of his and Corbyn's friends and allies. You are not a stupid man. Does it not ever occur to you that the reason it may be beyond them is because their intent is not to make a reasoned critique of a particular Israeli government and its policies but something more malicious and sinister?
You can criticize the laws in Israel on nationality. You should also note - if you want to be fair - that Israel has Arab citizens whose families lived there for generations and that there are a number of other countries in the Middle East who do not allow Jews to live there, no matter if they too had families who lived there for generations, in some cases for thousands of years, who do not allow them to return and, indeed, who do not allow any Jew from anywhere to enter their country.
The issue of Israel and Palestine is a very complex one. But there is something deeply troubling about why so many (and I accept that your late aunt - and condolences to you on your loss - is not one of these) who claim to be pro-Palestinian feel the need to talk about Israel and Jews in such virulently hateful and often anti-Semitic terms and seek to downplay the suffering which Jews have endured and that they are facing now in Europe. And, for good measure, a similar criticism can be made about the hateful language used by some on the extremes within the settler movement and some of their supporters about Arabs.
It is the aim and objective of all Zionist groups and more recently most Jewish groups to conflate criticism of Israel with anti semitism. It is thus almost impossible to discuss anything to do with Israel-including their deliberate scuppering of any possibility of a Palestinian State by building the first settlement on the West Bank for 26 years-without being tarred a racist.
Even allowing people as clumsy as Ken to be crucified just cowers everyone else into submission and means support for the Palestinians is painted as anti semitism which is the clear objective of the Israeli government
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nicola-sturgeon-nets-63million-deal-10146762
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/849574824657727489
The First Minister's inaugural visit to the USA also saw the announcement of a multi-million pound investment by one of the world’s largest electronics firms, Jabil, promising hundreds of new jobs in West Lothian.
But as she heads back across the Atlantic for a six-day visit to California and New York, that £12.5million investment, supported by a £450,000 grant from Scottish Enterprise, has come to nothing.
The company announced last week it would end manufacturing at its Livingston site by the end of the year, resulting in the loss of 220 jobs.
Her other American dream, the Glasgow Caledonian University campus in New York City, has also proved unsuccessful as it still has no students.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/786885/Nicola-Sturgeon-Donald-Trump-USA-visit-tartan-week
Any source for that quote?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/24/old-labour-better-new-britain-roy-hattersley-tony-blair.
If Watson typifies that wing of the party, maybe he's the man to do it after the predicted 2020 defeat. He's young enough, especially if he could lose some weight (!)
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/ken-livingstone-praised-by-former-bnp-leader-nick-griffin-as-hearing-enters-second-day-1.435412
Would make an intelligent sensible human being despair.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GetBritainOut/status/849577374815539201
Assilineau managed to make Le Pen's frexit policy look sensible and moderate so she may be happy with that. Dupont seemed very pompous to me. Lassalle seemed drunk, Arthaud shouty, and the other one seemed like an eccentric grandfather.
https://www.eagleaid.com/AID-Newsletter-preorder-1503preview-c-For-German-carmakers-Britains-bumpy-roads-are-still-paved-with-gold.htm
From a Tory point of view (and you do need to win some of us over to win) it's when I don't feel that our national independence, or sense of nationhood, is threatened that I feel closest to Labour. If you get that right, combined with a rational approach to budgets, and money, then you have a chance.
I'd suggest you need someone with courage to stand up (a) to the Left-wing extremists and (b) to the ex-Blairites trying to refight the battles of the past, and lead and redefine what Labour stands for.
The only potential leader I've seen come close to getting this (and that I'd be scared of) is Ed Balls. But God knows how you get him elected past the membership.
You must believe you are showing showing solidarity with a persecuted minority?
I went to my aunts funeral in Edinburgh recently. Despite coming from a prominent Scottish Jewish family she spent most of her life supporting the Palestinian cause including writing several books on the subject. There were several Palestinian groups at her funeral. Zionism is a complex nationalist movement. It allows a right of return (automatic citizenship) to those of us who may never have visited the country and refuse admission to those who were not only born there but whose families had lived there for generations.
Before following the knee jerk reactions of those reacting to the stupid (and possibly anti semitic) rantings of an old time lefty I'd read more about it.
Southam = TORY!!!!Good for you, Southam!And now we find that the Labour party fish has indeed started to rot from the head and stink very nastily indeed.
Who could possibly have imagined that such a thing might happen?
Of course its Remain voters who want to sell Gibraltar down the river get the best deal:
If the status of Gibraltar was the only thing preventing the UK from getting a much better Brexit deal, would you support passing at least some sovereignty over the territory to Spain?
Net 'Yes'
Remain: +9
Leave: -24
I wonder...
You can criticize the laws in Israel on nationality. You should also note - if you want to be fair - that Israel has Arab citizens whose families lived there for generations and that there are a number of other countries in the Middle East who do not allow Jews to live there, no matter if they too had families who lived there for generations, in some cases for thousands of years, who do not allow them to return and, indeed, who do not allow any Jew from anywhere to enter their country.
The issue of Israel and Palestine is a very complex one. But there is something deeply troubling about why so many (and I accept that your late aunt - and condolences to you on your loss - is not one of these) who claim to be pro-Palestinian feel the need to talk about Israel and Jews in such virulently hateful and often anti-Semitic terms and seek to downplay the suffering which Jews have endured and that they are facing now in Europe. And, for good measure, a similar criticism can be made about the hateful language used by some on the extremes within the settler movement and some of their supporters about Arabs.
It's a shame that we seem now to be left with just the somewhat dubious Mr Brind for inside analysis thread headers from a Labour perspective, but there we are.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/my-10am-tots-are-medicinal-says-whisky-swilling-ken-livingstone-6684763.html?amp
https://order-order.com/2017/04/05/labour-gorton-candidate-linked-to-anti-semitic-radical-islamist/
No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party, they had an inquiry and everything.
Hope he's got over his "bronchitis" by now.
In my experience, Jews are quite highly regarded as shrewdies
https://twitter.com/goodwinmj
I consider myself to have a good sense of humour, and can see the funny side of almost anything. But I went to a Chris Addison show in Cambridge once when he spent 15 minutes being extremely rude about The Queen, where I almost walked out (my wife restrained me).
Now, I admit I am a monarchist, and respect The Queen, but I am open to humour from a Republican point of view. But when he lazily insults her as a "German Nazi b*tch" for laughs, and similar, without putting any creativity or satire into it, it's not surprising if after a time you don't particularly want to sit through it anymore if it's just become a humourless rant.
Audiences are, after all, paying to be entertained. They don't like to be hectored, lectured or for their intelligence to be consistently insulted.
But the worst crime is when it just isn't very funny.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/britain-braced-rough-ride-strasbourg-eu-parliament-sets-brexit2/
Labour have accidentally nominated two candidates for a one seat division in Scarborough. (The Tories did the same thing in Wolverhampton last year). Luckily for Labour it isn't a seat they hold or are close to winning.
Scrappage scheme incoming I reckon.
Mark Thomas on the other hand...proppa leftie...actually funny.
Ross Noble handled the whole Brexit thing the best when I saw him. Started doing some gags about Brexit, realized that he appeared to be talking to an audience of Brexit voters, and made jokes about it all being rather awkward.
Thanks Gordon...
*can be substituted for mud wrestling in All Women shortlist seats.
After all the wall flowers get upset that the UK was "threatening" the EU last week...the above sounds exactly the same to me.
That King Edward I was a Zionist.
Talking about his abuse opera loving father, whose politics he vehemently disagrees with, but develops progressive supranuclear palsy and dementia. It doesn't sound like it should contain any laughs at all, but it is IMO his best show.
NEW THREAD
Even allowing people as clumsy as Ken to be crucified just cowers everyone else into submission and means support for the Palestinians is painted as anti semitism which is the clear objective of the Israeli government