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Today’s main polling news has been a London poll by YouGov for Queen Mary University where Professor Phil Cowley is one of the leading politics dons. He created the above charts. The main figures with changes on April last year were:-
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
After Tusk's reasonable Guidelines there's been quite a lot of flailing from people who've long claimed that there could be no negotiation on trade terms until AFTER we left the EU....
Yes, if you actually read the guidelines, they are much more emollient than the headlines imply (unsurprisingly). The EU wants and expects a reasonable deal. The questions is whether emotions interfere, on either side.
Has made me a bit more confident that we'll get an amicable deal in the end.
If anything fucks this up, it is likely to be the British media, on both sides. The Remoaner press and BBC will shriek in outrage at everything we do, chucking spanners in the machinery, and the sceptic tabloids will do their best to insult our European pals at every opportunity.
If only we could close down all our TV stations and newspapers for the next two years - on left and right.
One would hope those involved in governance on both sides would not be ruled by the press over such delicate matters...but we know how likely that is.
That said, maybe it could be useful - the shrieking of the press and whining backbenchers on both sides could potentially be used to demonstrate how much wiggle room they have, and thus nudge the other party to be more accommodating. But that's a long shot.
IIRC Gorton is Labour's eighth safest seat in the whole country. That we're even contemplating the possibility that they could lose it must be unprecedented in modern political history, in England at least. I mean, I know there were gargantuan swings from Con to LD in several celebrated by-elections in the mid-90s, but the Tories were, of course, a very long serving and jaded Government, not the main Opposition.
Labour's position isn't so parlous as for us to expect that they would lose seats this safe in a General Election, but by-elections are a very different beast, of course. And if the yellows can pull this one out of their magic hat, Richmond Park would surely pale in comparison?
IIRC Gorton is Labour's eighth safest seat in the whole country. That we're even contemplating the possibility that they could lose it must be unprecedented in modern political history, in England at least. I mean, I know there were gargantuan swings from Con to LD in several celebrated by-elections in the mid-90s, but the Tories were, of course, a very long serving and jaded Government, not the main Opposition.
Labour's position isn't so parlous as for us to expect that they would lose seats this safe in a General Election, but by-elections are a very different beast, of course. And if the yellows can pull this one out of their magic hat, Richmond Park would surely pale in comparison?
Galloway is the joker in the pack thats gives the yellows a chance.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I know its only subsamples but the poll shows doing much worse among middle class Londoners than working class Londoners.
Whereas the pattern in national polls suggests that Labour's doing badly nationally among working class voters.
Now if Labour is losing middle class voters in the urban areas but working class voters in the industrial areas that might be an optimum pain scenario for Labour.
IIRC Gorton is Labour's eighth safest seat in the whole country. That we're even contemplating the possibility that they could lose it must be unprecedented in modern political history, in England at least. I mean, I know there were gargantuan swings from Con to LD in several celebrated by-elections in the mid-90s, but the Tories were, of course, a very long serving and jaded Government, not the main Opposition.
Labour's position isn't so parlous as for us to expect that they would lose seats this safe in a General Election, but by-elections are a very different beast, of course. And if the yellows can pull this one out of their magic hat, Richmond Park would surely pale in comparison?
Galloway is the joker in the pack thats gives the yellows a chance.
Pretty sure I read on here that the Lib Dems were great value in Stoke at the start of the campaign there. That turned out to be nonsense and I imagine this is too. Labour held that comfortably despite a dire candidate and this will go the same way. Quite likely Galloway and Lib Dems will split the protest vote anyway. 1.2 seems an insanely good price for Labour to hold. In a general election you wouldn't be able to back them at 1.01. Can't see they're 20 times less likely to win now.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
After Tusk's reasonable Guidelines there's been quite a lot of flailing from people who've long claimed that there could be no negotiation on trade terms until AFTER we left the EU....
Yes, if you actually read the guidelines, they are much more emollient than the headlines imply (unsurprisingly). The EU wants and expects a reasonable deal. The questions is whether emotions interfere, on either side.
Has made me a bit more confident that we'll get an amicable deal in the end.
If anything fucks this up, it is likely to be the British media, on both sides. The Remoaner press and BBC will shriek in outrage at everything we do, chucking spanners in the machinery, and the sceptic tabloids will do their best to insult our European pals at every opportunity.
If only we could close down all our TV stations and newspapers for the next two years - on left and right.
One would hope those involved in governance on both sides would not be ruled by the press over such delicate matters...but we know how likely that is.
That said, maybe it could be useful - the shrieking of the press and whining backbenchers on both sides could potentially be used to demonstrate how much wiggle room they have, and thus nudge the other party to be more accommodating. But that's a long shot.
(Not these outcomes are dependent upon public perception as much as reality)
The only scenario where I can see any support for re-joining the EU is the second ie if the EU is seen to be co-operative and Brexit is subsequently seen as a failure.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
The important point is that most of the voters in Scotland, NI, and Gibraltar wish to remain British. And while there are bound to be problems, I'd say they're far less serious than were predicted before 23rd June.
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
Labour won by 17 at peak-Clegg. The London poll has the LDs well adrift of where they were at peak-Clegg.
Corbyn can't lose this one, surely? Labour held Stoke which was far more contestable.
By elections sometimes produce extreme results. Looking at General Election results won't tell you much. Also in Stoke UKIP were the challengers and they have a less than inspiring record, leaving aside defections.
Note the complete lack of outrage about the use of the people of Gibraltar as a bargaining chip by the EU.
I said this yesterday, if the roles were reversed on security, the referendum losers would be blaming Brexit. These are the kind of people who tip up 3 7/4 shots in the same race then feel shrewd and boast when one wins.
Always remember, the only reason they're trolling is because they got the referendum so wrong and are doubling down
Today's London poll is actually showing a tiny swing of 0.5% from Con To Lab compared with 2010. The swing to Labour there from the LibDems since that year is significantly bigger.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
But we've had the same 'underwhelming non-entities' representing Britain in EU negotiations while we are in it.
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
Welcome but I think GG will lose his deposit, again.
Note the complete lack of outrage about the use of the people of Gibraltar as a bargaining chip by the EU.
I said this yesterday, if the roles were reversed on security, the referendum losers would be blaming Brexit. These are the kind of people who tip up 3 7/4 shots in the same race then feel shrewd and boast when one wins.
Always remember, the only reason they're trolling is because they got the referendum so wrong and are doubling down
You may have said it, but it doesn't make you right.
Note the complete lack of outrage about the use of the people of Gibraltar as a bargaining chip by the EU.
“no agreement between the EU and the United Kingdom may apply to the territory of Gibraltar without the agreement between the Kingdom of Spain and the United Kingdom”.
Difficult to see what the Spaniards hope to gain here. Excluding Gibraltar from a FTA?
On those numbers, the Lib Dems would regain Southwark and Bermondsey and perhaps Hornsey & Wood Green and challenge in Islington South.
I doubt that they would even win Southwark & Bermondsey where the Labour MP will enjoy first time incumbency.
Yes, Labour's advantage over the yellows in Southwark is a good deal greater than that of the Tories in some of the West London seats they snatched last time, e.g. Twickenham.
The Lib Dems have finite resources and would probably be best served concentrating on more realistic targets at a GE.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
The important point is that most of the voters in Scotland, NI, and Gibraltar wish to remain British. And while there are bound to be problems, I'd say they're far less serious than were predicted before 23rd June.
The big reduction in the current account deficit was the best bit of economic data for ages.
Hopefully the savings rate will increase which will put further downward pressure on the current account deficit (as well as being a good thing in its own right).
Today's London poll is actually showing a tiny swing of 0.5% from Con To Lab compared with 2010. The swing to Labour there from the LibDems since that year is significantly bigger.
Note the complete lack of outrage about the use of the people of Gibraltar as a bargaining chip by the EU.
I said this yesterday, if the roles were reversed on security, the referendum losers would be blaming Brexit. These are the kind of people who tip up 3 7/4 shots in the same race then feel shrewd and boast when one wins.
Always remember, the only reason they're trolling is because they got the referendum so wrong and are doubling down
You may have said it, but it doesn't make you right.
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
I suppose we can look forward to valuable input from Jacques, Yves, Francois, and Etienne over the coming days.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
The Gibraltar clause seems to say to Gibraltans," look, the UK and Spain are the big boys, it's our decision. No automatic EU/UK deal for you without our permission."
I wonder if that's meant for consumption in regions elsewhere in both the UK and Spain?
Gorton is a very oddly shaped constituency, with demographics that vary considerably across its 7 component wards. Gorton itself is in the east of the constituency and comprises 2 wards; it is predominantly WWC. Longsight and Rusholme include substantial Muslim communities. Rusholme includes the university and main teaching hospital, with lots of students and young folk living there and in Fallowfield. Whalley Range has a substantial Afro-Caribbean community. Levenshulme is an older suburban area.
It is difficult to predict how each of the different areas might vote, but I would be shocked if the LDs win, as only certain segments of the population are likely to support them. Only Rusholme and Fallowfield wards have similarities with the Withington constituency, which was LD-held from 2005-2015.
Gorton is a very oddly shaped constituency, with demographics that vary considerably across its 7 component wards. Gorton itself is in the east of the constituency and comprises 2 wards; it is predominantly WWC. Longsight and Rusholme include substantial Muslim communities. Rusholme includes the university and main teaching hospital, with lots of students and young folk living there and in Fallowfield. Whalley Range has a substantial Afro-Caribbean community. Levenshulme is an older suburban area.
It is difficult to predict how each of the different areas might vote, but I would be shocked if the LDs win, as only certain segments of the population are likely to support them. Only Rusholme and Fallowfield wards have similarities with the Withington constituency, which was LD-held from 2005-2015.
It also contains relatively few ABC1's, which this poll shows Labour losing the most. None of these areas are particularly well off.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
I was amazed at the poll last thread that showed 30% of Filon voters would go to Le Pen in the second round
If Le Pen wins a majority of Fillon voters, a third of Melenchon voters and most Dupont Aignan voters in the runoff she wins the presidency
Yes and if the sun rises in the west tomorrow...
Against Macron in the runoff Le Pen becomes the conservative candidate by default and with Valls having endorsed Macron he would be the default socialist candidate, of course he is favourite but I would not rule anything out. According to today's IFOP in a runoff against Macron Le Pen gets 30% of Fillon voters with 35% undecided, 41% of Melenchon voters and 31% of Hamon voters are also undecided in the same scenario
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
More to the point, EU solidarity only goes so far - what cost would the rest of them be willing to pay to indulge a single member by being obstructive on this issue, an issue which the spanish have no legal claim and no moral claim either?
In purely pragmatic terms the idea they would go to bat for Spain to the point of forcing us to take a hit on this issue, an issue politically impossible for us to bend on, is simply not the EU I recognise, with its love of fudged solutions and conflict avoidance.
Note the complete lack of outrage about the use of the people of Gibraltar as a bargaining chip by the EU.
“no agreement between the EU and the United Kingdom may apply to the territory of Gibraltar without the agreement between the Kingdom of Spain and the United Kingdom”.
Difficult to see what the Spaniards hope to gain here. Excluding Gibraltar from a FTA?
It looks like desperate stuff from them.
And pointless since it is counter to the treaty conditions. The Brexit negotiations will be decided by QMV. If Spain is alone then she loses.
As an aside, it seems to me the EU are slowly coming to realise they have made a fundamental error with their approach to the Brexit negotiations.
All the arguments in the UK have been around how terrible it would be for trade if we did not get an agreement at the end of the two years. Now if the EU got their way as they originally planned and trade were excluded from the two year period and it only concentrated on the issues of Brexit and not on the subsequent trade deal, then there is absolutely no fear for the UK in the talks failing. All that happens is that the UK leaves.
Obviously this will make the subsequent trade talks somewhat fraught but since we would only have taken this option if the EU were making unacceptable demands that would already have been the case. Separating the issues of Brexit from the trade talks actually helps the UK as on the issues of Brexit (excluding trade) there really isn't anything the EU can threaten us with.
The Gibraltar clause seems to say to Gibraltans," look, the UK and Spain are the big boys, it's our decision. No automatic EU/UK deal for you without our permission."
I wonder if that's meant for consumption in regions elsewhere in both the UK and Spain?
Additionally, the EU have signalled that they will stand aside and not engage in a matter of sovereignty/territory/independence.
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
96% of them did not want the UK to leave the EU. That is very different from saying that 96% of them want to leave the UK and join Spain. I am afraid you are showing your ignorance and wishful thinking again.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
That assumes those regions all put the EU before the UK
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
96% of them did not want the UK to leave the EU. That is very different from saying that 96% of them want to leave the UK and join Spain.
Well exactly. For christ's sake, we all know there are Leavers painting an overly sunny picture of the future, but seeing cataclysm in every single word or omen is staggeringly unlikely to be correct, even if we take the view events will be closer to cataclysm than eucatastrophe.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
99% of them wanted to stay w the UK last time they were asked
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
William Warr - the Oxford Bow - rowed for the scum Cambridge in 2015. Apparently he switched to Oxford to do a DPhil before the 2020 Olympics.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
99% of them wanted to stay w the UK last time they were asked
Yes, it's quite sad really. A few years ago I seem to remember the (winning) Oxford crew looking like a fairly regular bunch of lads. But when you go through the crews (both male and female) this year they look massive.
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
William Warr - the Oxford Bow - rowed for the scum Cambridge in 2015. Apparently he switched to Oxford to do a DPhil before the 2020 Olympics.
There is a word that gets used too much on PB. Overuse means that it loses its impact and becomes a bit of a non-word; a nonentity; a space-filler.
But a light blue moving over to the dark side? Never has it been so deserved:
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Not exactly the same. 96% of them want to stay in the EU. three four and five years ago that's where they were. Wait till other regions in the UK start seeing the writing on the wall and realize there are better alternatives to Westminster.
Like Wales that voted heavily to Remain ... oh wait.
I just have an inkling that Gibraltar will prioritise being British ( or more precisely not Spanish) over the EU.
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
William Warr - the Oxford Bow - rowed for the scum Cambridge in 2015. Apparently he switched to Oxford to do a DPhil before the 2020 Olympics.
There is a word that gets used too much on PB. Overuse means that it loses its impact and becomes a bit of a non-word; a nonentity; a space-filler.
But a light blue moving over to the dark side? Never has it been so deserved:
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
William Warr - the Oxford Bow - rowed for the scum Cambridge in 2015. Apparently he switched to Oxford to do a DPhil before the 2020 Olympics.
There is a word that gets used too much on PB. Overuse means that it loses its impact and becomes a bit of a non-word; a nonentity; a space-filler.
But a light blue moving over to the dark side? Never has it been so deserved:
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
William Warr - the Oxford Bow - rowed for the scum Cambridge in 2015. Apparently he switched to Oxford to do a DPhil before the 2020 Olympics.
There is a word that gets used too much on PB. Overuse means that it loses its impact and becomes a bit of a non-word; a nonentity; a space-filler.
But a light blue moving over to the dark side? Never has it been so deserved:
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
William Warr - the Oxford Bow - rowed for the scum Cambridge in 2015. Apparently he switched to Oxford to do a DPhil before the 2020 Olympics.
There is a word that gets used too much on PB. Overuse means that it loses its impact and becomes a bit of a non-word; a nonentity; a space-filler.
But a light blue moving over to the dark side? Never has it been so deserved:
I could swear the light blues have been a little more blue in the past. Or is that just a false memory?
It's looked green ever since I was a child. I remember saying "that's not blue" when I first saw the boat race (circa 95).
Hmmm. As I'm not colourblind, I guess I'm misremembering.
Oddly, our family have no connections with either Cambridge or Oxford, yet we all always supported Cambridge. And that's where I've ended up. I'll have to ask my dad why he always chose them instead of the simpletons.
I don't know how Corbyn has the brass neck to stay as Labour leader. He was only nominated by Labour MPs for "charity". It is time he realised he has failed and resigns. A democracy needs an alternative government, not a useless backbencher.
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
It's the first full day after Article 50 was triggered. To say it's failed already is your hope rather than anything concrete. It might well turn into a crock of shit, but it ain't there yet.
I don't hope the UK negations fail. My point is all the problems identified with Brexit are slowly being realised. I don't have to sit here and say nothing whilst my country falls apart. SNP wanting independence, NI and now Gibraltar. The economic chickens have not rousted yet but with the third rate representing us who knows what crock of shite they will deliver. The £350 Million a week for the NHS is never going to materialise and we will still have millions of immigrants coming here instead of Europeans probably Asian and Africans...
Gibraltar is no more a problem now than it was a year ago or 5 years ago. The Spanish are always going on about it being theirs and trying various ways to try and make life difficult for both the UK and the people of Gibraltar. The answer is always very simple. We say no. That will be the same now as it was every time before and the result will be the same. Spain will sulk and things will continue as they did before.
Well quite. - But that kind of sensible reporting doesn’t generate column inches.
I love seeing man's power over the animal kingdom.
Man's power over the animal kingdom? Who exactly is serving whom in that video?
This is how it starts, training them to perform a simple task with the reward of treats. That's just phase 1. The video won't show phase 2 - covert animal assassinations.
What else will they do to earn treats, once they realise specific actions will lead to it?
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
You don't think he's a horse who's had his day?
No... Parliament is full of lilliputian nothings, you'd have to admit he is a parliamentarian, and his opponents in this by-election are of quite a low calibre...
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
You don't think he's a horse who's had his day?
No... Parliament is full of lilliputian nothings, you'd have to admit he is a parliamentarian, and his opponents in this by-election are of quite a low calibre...
You are George Galloway and I claim my new 12 sided pound coin
I think GG will win in Gorton, he has huge support amongst Muslims, BME etc. Plus in a by-election, people are unencumbered by party loyalties like they are at a GE.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
You don't think he's a horse who's had his day?
No... Parliament is full of lilliputian nothings, you'd have to admit he is a parliamentarian, and his opponents in this by-election are of quite a low calibre...
Who cares about Gibraltar? It's a colonial relic... Brit expatriates are truly the most irritating people in the world! Always moaning about how 'fings' aren't what they used to be back 'ome...
Who cares about Gibraltar? It's a colonial relic... Brit expatriates are truly the most irritating people in the world! Always moaning about how 'fings' aren't what they used to be back 'ome...
Who's talking about expats? These are Gibraltarians.
As for being a relic, that may be so, what of it? Spain has no legitimate claim on it and the people are happy to stay in the UK (unless for 50% of them leaving the EU is so traumatic they are suddenly happy to go Spanish) so it is what it is. As citizens their rights are our responsibility too.
Which is why it makes sense to ask why it has even been mentioned?
What's the real reason that they have felt the need to stress that it has no automatic right to share a UK/EU trade deal, that it needs co-authorisation from both parties for future inclusion and that the EU overall will not intervene or mediate?
Which is why it makes sense to ask why it has even been mentioned?
Spain messing around with the negotiations in the hopes of settling a personal issue in their favour long term. Rather selfish of them toward the other member states.
These are the changes in today's London opinion poll from the general election, (with UKIP actually up slightly):
Lab -5% Con -1% LD +6% UKIP +1% Greens nc
8 seats would change hands:
Bermondsey: LD gain from Lab Brentford: Con gain from Lab Ealing Central: Con gain from Lab Enfield North: Con gain from Lab Hampstead: Con gain from Lab Ilford North: Con gain from Lab Kingston: LD gain from Con Twickenham: LD gain from Con
Who cares about Gibraltar? It's a colonial relic... Brit expatriates are truly the most irritating people in the world! Always moaning about how 'fings' aren't what they used to be back 'ome...
Expats? My wife's family arrived here from Malta in 1708.
Which is why it makes sense to ask why it has even been mentioned?
What's the real reason that they have felt the need to stress that it has no automatic right to share a UK/EU trade deal, that it needs co-authorisation from both parties for future inclusion and that the EU overall will not intervene or mediate?
Never been mentioned because it's Leavers were taking about. They don't do consequences and will still be bleating "no-one expected that to happen" when the Scots and Irish leave.
Which is why it makes sense to ask why it has even been mentioned?
What's the real reason that they have felt the need to stress that it has no automatic right to share a UK/EU trade deal, that it needs co-authorisation from both parties for future inclusion and that the EU overall will not intervene or mediate?
Never been mentioned because it's Leavers were taking about. They don't do consequences and will still be bleating "no-one expected that to happen" when the Scots and Irish leave.
Why are the Scots going to leave, what's changed? Are the opinion polls showing a massive clammering for Independence?
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4365116/amp/Scientist-predicts-Marine-Le-Pen-win-French-election.html
If Labour don't have at least a 10% majority I'll eat my hat.
That said, maybe it could be useful - the shrieking of the press and whining backbenchers on both sides could potentially be used to demonstrate how much wiggle room they have, and thus nudge the other party to be more accommodating. But that's a long shot.
Labour's position isn't so parlous as for us to expect that they would lose seats this safe in a General Election, but by-elections are a very different beast, of course. And if the yellows can pull this one out of their magic hat, Richmond Park would surely pale in comparison?
How much longer can the elastic of reality be stretched before it snaps back and a new political landscape form? Brexit is failing already, the words of nefarious Johnson and his ilk about the ease of exiting the EU on good terms are floundering. Yet, Corbyn cannot even expose the vacuum the government has created, never mind pressure it into a more acceptable outcome.
The people wanted their country back, shame nobody thought about the underwhelming non-entities that would represent them in the exit negotiations. I despair.
Whereas the pattern in national polls suggests that Labour's doing badly nationally among working class voters.
Now if Labour is losing middle class voters in the urban areas but working class voters in the industrial areas that might be an optimum pain scenario for Labour.
2010: Lab 50 LD 33
2015: Lab 67 LD 4
Labour won by 17 at peak-Clegg. The London poll has the LDs well adrift of where they were at peak-Clegg.
Corbyn can't lose this one, surely? Labour held Stoke which was far more contestable.
Labour held that comfortably despite a dire candidate and this will go the same way. Quite likely Galloway and Lib Dems will split the protest vote anyway. 1.2 seems an insanely good price for Labour to hold. In a general election you wouldn't be able to back them at 1.01. Can't see they're 20 times less likely to win now.
Successful negotiation, Britain prospers
Successful negotiation, Britain struggles
Hostile negotiation, Britain prospers
Hostile negotiation, Britain struggles
(Not these outcomes are dependent upon public perception as much as reality)
The only scenario where I can see any support for re-joining the EU is the second ie if the EU is seen to be co-operative and Brexit is subsequently seen as a failure.
https://twitter.com/johnharris1969/status/847798535554727938
2010: Lab 50 LD 33
2015: Lab 67 LD 4
Labour won by 17 at peak-Clegg. The London poll has the LDs well adrift of where they were at peak-Clegg.
Corbyn can't lose this one, surely? Labour held Stoke which was far more contestable.
GG could also make hay with the fact that the Lib-Dems tripled tuition fees and propped up the coalition.
Alas, the electorate are fickle and could have more contemporary issues on their minds, Brexit or more particularly how 'hard' it'll be. But the fact is we are leaving the EU, It's done and dusted and the Lib-Dems will soon find out that they are flogging a dead horse...
Also in Stoke UKIP were the challengers and they have a less than inspiring record, leaving aside defections.
Always remember, the only reason they're trolling is because they got the referendum so wrong and are doubling down
That's why Britain kept losing in the EU.
I've just had a warning that a spam block was activated because I had apparently posed 5 comments within 60 seconds.
Which I hadn't.
Would you let me know if some problem is happening.
Difficult to see what the Spaniards hope to gain here. Excluding Gibraltar from a FTA?
It looks like desperate stuff from them.
The Lib Dems have finite resources and would probably be best served concentrating on more realistic targets at a GE.
Hopefully the savings rate will increase which will put further downward pressure on the current account deficit (as well as being a good thing in its own right).
I wonder if that's meant for consumption in regions elsewhere in both the UK and Spain?
It is difficult to predict how each of the different areas might vote, but I would be shocked if the LDs win, as only certain segments of the population are likely to support them. Only Rusholme and Fallowfield wards have similarities with the Withington constituency, which was LD-held from 2005-2015.
http://theboatraces.org/compare-mens-blue-boat/2017/bow
http://dataviz.ifop.com:8080/IFOP_ROLLING/IFOP_31-03-2017.pdf
Anyway, that's a great site thanks. Although why are those lions, those kings amongst men, citizens of the world's greatest city, wearing light green instead of light blue?
In purely pragmatic terms the idea they would go to bat for Spain to the point of forcing us to take a hit on this issue, an issue politically impossible for us to bend on, is simply not the EU I recognise, with its love of fudged solutions and conflict avoidance.
As an aside, it seems to me the EU are slowly coming to realise they have made a fundamental error with their approach to the Brexit negotiations.
All the arguments in the UK have been around how terrible it would be for trade if we did not get an agreement at the end of the two years. Now if the EU got their way as they originally planned and trade were excluded from the two year period and it only concentrated on the issues of Brexit and not on the subsequent trade deal, then there is absolutely no fear for the UK in the talks failing. All that happens is that the UK leaves.
Obviously this will make the subsequent trade talks somewhat fraught but since we would only have taken this option if the EU were making unacceptable demands that would already have been the case. Separating the issues of Brexit from the trade talks actually helps the UK as on the issues of Brexit (excluding trade) there really isn't anything the EU can threaten us with.
When Hugh Laurie took part he was only 20 and every single rower in that year was lighter than the average for this year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boat_Race_1980
https://twitter.com/gaytimesmag/status/847873672950013957
But a light blue moving over to the dark side? Never has it been so deserved:
TRAITOR!
I just have an inkling that Gibraltar will prioritise being British ( or more precisely not Spanish) over the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_blue
I could swear the light blues have been a little more blue in the past. Or is that just a false memory?
Oddly, our family have no connections with either Cambridge or Oxford, yet we all always supported Cambridge. And that's where I've ended up. I'll have to ask my dad why he always chose them instead of the simpletons.
What else will they do to earn treats, once they realise specific actions will lead to it?
Dogs have masters.
Cats have staff.
As for being a relic, that may be so, what of it? Spain has no legitimate claim on it and the people are happy to stay in the UK (unless for 50% of them leaving the EU is so traumatic they are suddenly happy to go Spanish) so it is what it is. As citizens their rights are our responsibility too.
What's the real reason that they have felt the need to stress that it has no automatic right to share a UK/EU trade deal, that it needs co-authorisation from both parties for future inclusion and that the EU overall will not intervene or mediate?
Lab -5%
Con -1%
LD +6%
UKIP +1%
Greens nc
8 seats would change hands:
Bermondsey: LD gain from Lab
Brentford: Con gain from Lab
Ealing Central: Con gain from Lab
Enfield North: Con gain from Lab
Hampstead: Con gain from Lab
Ilford North: Con gain from Lab
Kingston: LD gain from Con
Twickenham: LD gain from Con
Con +3 seats
Lab -6 seats
LD +3 seats
Yeah. Bloody immigrants, eh?