> Closing the border, routinely, to apply political pressure to the UK and Gibraltar > Illegal fishing within Gibraltarian territorial waters > Illegal salvage operations within Gibraltarian territorial waters > Ramming UK police boats > Aggressively challenging Royal Navy patrol boats > Deliberately processing customs checks extremely slowly on the border, to piss off Gibraltarian residents
All because the British citizens of Gibraltar have consistently rejected any overtures by Spain for joint sovereignty by overwhelming margins in democratic votes.
And.. they are hypocrites. The legal ceding of Gibraltar to the UK (before the UK even came into existence) is purported to be an outrage whilst they maintain their own colonies on the mainland of Morroco, Ceuta and Melilla, and defend them vigorously.
They are just trying it on. Because the bastards sniff an opportunity.
Not only should we reject Spain's claims outright, we should make clear we will never, ever visit the subject again unless the Gibraltarians expressly call for it in a democratic vote.
That's Gibraltar's problem as far as I am concerned. If they want to be a mouse lying down next to an elephant they need to find a way of getting on with the elephant. Our only responsibility is to prevent any takeover by force. AFAIK there's no current risk of that.
I'm afraid it isn't. It is ours. We are responsible for Gibraltar's foreign affairs and its security.
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There must be a deal to be done - swap Gibraltar for Ibiza.
I suspect that Gibraltar is the Brexit dead cat that will periodically be thrown on the table to distract from the latest nonsense coming from Brussels or Westminster.
We had Menorca for a while in one of the Wars of the Sucession of something somewhere in 17.... something or other.
And Corsica for a bit IIRC.
And Heligoland! Everyone forgets Heligoland. Poor old Heligoland, so often forgotten.
We've still got it haven't we, in Windsor? Denmark has one too.
What I mean is British political opinion, which basically means the Tory party, will decide whether we accept the deal the EU offers. If that deal is contingent on our handing over Gibraltar, against the wishes of the Gibraltarians, then there simply won't be a deal. Hard Brexit.
If Spain is clever they might ask for some prospect of shared sovereignty in the future.
Who said anything about handing over Gibraltar?
I think TSE has given up pushing 'Osborne for PM' so he's trying something equally as ludicrous....
It will be almost worth the humiliation of being seen reading the Wail if handing it over is seriously suggested. Asbestos fingers would be needed to handle the paper.
But it's really not going to happen. Look at the UK political reaction already
Theresa May is going to have an army of Brexiteers baying for her blood if she so much as agrees to pay a penny as an exit payment. She may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb...
It's Remoaners who seem keen to welch on agreements and responsibilities....
HA HA , lady Haw Haw has been wheeled in to the fray, waving her union jack and brandishing her signed St Theresa letter.
these findings raise severe doubts about the wisdom of the Scottish government’s decision to turn a disagreement about what Brexit should mean into the crux of an argument as to why Scotland should have a second opportunity to back leaving the UK.
It's Remoaners who seem keen to welch on agreements and responsibilities....
HA HA , lady Haw Haw has been wheeled in to the fray, waving her union jack and brandishing her signed St Theresa letter.
these findings raise severe doubts about the wisdom of the Scottish government’s decision to turn a disagreement about what Brexit should mean into the crux of an argument as to why Scotland should have a second opportunity to back leaving the UK.
What I mean is British political opinion, which basically means the Tory party, will decide whether we accept the deal the EU offers. If that deal is contingent on our handing over Gibraltar, against the wishes of the Gibraltarians, then there simply won't be a deal. Hard Brexit.
If Spain is clever they might ask for some prospect of shared sovereignty in the future.
Who said anything about handing over Gibraltar?
I think TSE has given up pushing 'Osborne for PM' so he's trying something equally as ludicrous....
> Closing the border, routinely, to apply political pressure to the UK and Gibraltar > Illegal fishing within Gibraltarian territorial waters > Illegal salvage operations within Gibraltarian territorial waters > Ramming UK police boats > Aggressively challenging Royal Navy patrol boats > Deliberately processing customs checks extremely slowly on the border, to piss off Gibraltarian residents
All because the British citizens of Gibraltar have consistently rejected any overtures by Spain for joint sovereignty by overwhelming margins in democratic votes.
And.. they are hypocrites. The legal ceding of Gibraltar to the UK (before the UK even came into existence) is purported to be an outrage whilst they maintain their own colonies on the mainland of Morroco, Ceuta and Melilla, and defend them vigorously.
They are just trying it on. Because the bastards sniff an opportunity.
Not only should we reject Spain's claims outright, we should make clear we will never, ever visit the subject again unless the Gibraltarians expressly call for it in a democratic vote.
That's Gibraltar's problem as far as I am concerned. If they want to be a mouse lying down next to an elephant they need to find a way of getting on with the elephant. Our only responsibility is to prevent any takeover by force. AFAIK there's no current risk of that.
I'm afraid it isn't. It is ours. We are responsible for Gibraltar's foreign affairs and its security.
It is a British territory.
Quick buy some new bath plugs so we can get the fleet in order and ready to float.
Let's just save a lot of time and hassle, and start the Great European War right now (and get Trump as our ally).
Aux armes, Britanniques.
So Dave was right, Brexit will lead to a war.
Tusk was right. Brexit will lead to the complete breakdown of western European Civilisation.
So be it. I've got a fridge full of bubbly, and 300 bottles of good red, and a 21 year old to keep me warm during the nuclear winter.
Oh God!
Imagine the earth being repopulated with little @SeanT s
The EU isn't willing to contemplate any serious future for any European country that isn't a member of the EU, and supports European integration.
For me, it reaffirms just how right we were to vote to Leave.
We got knee-deep in this shit. Now, we have to wade out.
Indeed, and the longer we had stayed in, the more difficult it would have been to extricate ourselves from it. – Mind you, I thought the end had come with Lisbon, Article 50 wasn't discussed much back then, if at all.
Given that any complex deal requires unanimity anyway, what difference does the EU saying that a deal only applies to Gibraltar if Spain agrees anyway? That was always the case. Spain haven't been given any new veto or anything else, it is just a statement of the obvious that given unanimity is required that includes getting Spain to agree.
The idea that's good news for the Scots is like saying a heatwave warning is good news for snowmen.
Certainly caused plenty of frothing at the mouth on here. The yoons are baying at the moon, mobilising Dad's Army and threatening Johnny foreigner big trouble. Oh how we laugh.
Looks like a way to ensure Gibraltar's dealt with as a separate issue between UK/Spain rather than becomes a major sticking point in the overall negotiation - whichever way it goes. From the rest of the EU's point of view it stops Spain playing silly buggers and vetoing an overall deal due to holding out for concessions on Gibraltar. The Spanish like it because it acknowledges Britain will have to negotiate some form of bilateral deal with them on Gibraltar's status. I don't think Donald Tusk and co give two hoots about the status of Gibraltar, and so it suits them if an overall deal can be agreed and then let Spain and the UK argue it out bilaterally.
It's left us and Gibraltar up the proverbial creek because we're the ones who decided to tear up the previous deal within the EU and the rock is reliant on having a relatively open border with Spain to function economically. But then that's probably why 96 of Gibraltarians voted remain.
The EU isn't willing to contemplate any serious future for any European country that isn't a member of the EU, and supports European integration.
For me, it reaffirms just how right we were to vote to Leave.
We got knee-deep in this shit. Now, we have to wade out.
There is no alternative.
Dave's deal was the best thing you could hope for as an ongoing semi-detached relationship for the UK with the EU. I didn't like it because I'd prefer us to join Euro which would have been off the table if we'd voted Remain, but instead we decided to go for the option that will blow up the UK and now anything is possible.
Let's just save a lot of time and hassle, and start the Great European War right now (and get Trump as our ally).
Aux armes, Britanniques.
So Dave was right, Brexit will lead to a war.
Tusk was right. Brexit will lead to the complete breakdown of western European Civilisation.
So be it. I've got a fridge full of bubbly, and 300 bottles of good red, and a 21 year old to keep me warm during the nuclear winter.
Oh God!
Imagine the earth being repopulated with little @SeanT s
You were right about Oscietra. I tried it again, and it is the best.
After some experimentation, I worked out it should be served straight from the jar, placed on ice, and consumed with a mother of pearl spoon, and a fine 21 year old, undressed.
Let's just save a lot of time and hassle, and start the Great European War right now (and get Trump as our ally).
Aux armes, Britanniques.
So Dave was right, Brexit will lead to a war.
Tusk was right. Brexit will lead to the complete breakdown of western European Civilisation.
So be it. I've got a fridge full of bubbly, and 300 bottles of good red, and a 21 year old to keep me warm during the nuclear winter.
Oh God!
Imagine the earth being repopulated with little @SeanT s
You were right about Oscietra. I tried it again, and it is the best.
After some experimentation, I worked out it should be served straight from the jar, placed on ice, and consumed with a mother of pearl spoon, and a fine 21 year old, undressed.
Nearly there. Ideally it needs to be with a blonde to contrast with the darkness of the eggs
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
That great Scottish organ the Guardian , it must be true surely. That one from Scotland with the opposite view will surely be fake.
You're really not very sharp, are you?
It was written by Professor Curtice.....professor of politics at Strathclyde University and chief commentator at whatukthinks.org/eu and Fellow of The British Academy for Humanities and Social Sciences.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
I can understand why May is sticking with Johnson-he got us into this mess it's reasonable that he should get us out of it-but when it becomes obvious that our erstwhile EU partners are running rings around us and all he can do is grin and play with his hair there must come a point when she cuts her losses.
"No man is a failure who has friends" Mark Twain
Listening to to-nights news we have very few.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
No I didn't. I said exactly the opposite, I said Brexit would be hard, bloody and painful, and rather like having a baby. And I said it in *superior cough* the Spectator Magazine, not some silly little blog.
The EU isn't willing to contemplate any serious future for any European country that isn't a member of the EU, and supports European integration.
For me, it reaffirms just how right we were to vote to Leave.
We got knee-deep in this shit. Now, we have to wade out.
There is no alternative.
Dave's deal was the best thing you could hope for as an ongoing semi-detached relationship for the UK with the EU. I didn't like it because I'd prefer us to join Euro which would have been off the table if we'd voted Remain, but instead we decided to go for the option that will blow up the UK and now anything is possible.
We established last night that you have zero loyalty to the UK as a nation state, so I am discounting anything you have to say on the subject from now on.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
I really don't think the choice is between retaining the current situation re: Gibraltar and an amicable deal with the EU.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
After Tusk's reasonable Guidelines there's been quite a lot of flailing from people who've long claimed that there could be no negotiation on trade terms until AFTER we left the EU....Gibraltar is the latest passing straw......though the spectacular hypocrisy over 'people as bargaining chips' (disgraceful if UK does it, realpolitik if the EU does) is something to behold....
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No - you are trolling and enjoying it.
It says a lot about you.
Would you like me to post the thread from a year ago when I warned of this and Leavers were in denial then?
I can understand why May is sticking with Johnson-he got us into this mess it's reasonable that he should get us out of it-but when it becomes obvious that our erstwhile EU partners are running rings around us and all he can do is grin and play with his hair there must come a point when she cuts her losses.
"No man is a failure who has friends" Mark Twain
Listening to to-nights news we have very few.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
I can understand why May is sticking with Johnson-he got us into this mess it's reasonable that he should get us out of it-but when it becomes obvious that our erstwhile EU partners are running rings around us and all he can do is grin and play with his hair there must come a point when she cuts her losses.
"No man is a failure who has friends" Mark Twain
Listening to to-nights news we have very few.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
No friends?
Great Britain is the most liked and admired large country on earth, save Australia and Canada. We're ahead of Japan, Germany, Spain, France, Italy, USA, etc
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
I really don't think the choice is between retaining the current situation re: Gibraltar and an amicable deal with the EU.
The Germans et al have been driving the Greeks into the ground for years because they were too micro to take significant notice of, and now we're supposed to believe they give a toss about Gibraltar (it was risible with NI and Scotland, but Gibraltar!!)
Too many jobs and too much money involved either side of the channel to let the minnows get in the way.
Let's just save a lot of time and hassle, and start the Great European War right now (and get Trump as our ally).
Aux armes, Britanniques.
So Dave was right, Brexit will lead to a war.
Tusk was right. Brexit will lead to the complete breakdown of western European Civilisation.
So be it. I've got a fridge full of bubbly, and 300 bottles of good red, and a 21 year old to keep me warm during the nuclear winter.
Oh God!
Imagine the earth being repopulated with little @SeanT s
You were right about Oscietra. I tried it again, and it is the best.
After some experimentation, I worked out it should be served straight from the jar, placed on ice, and consumed with a mother of pearl spoon, and a fine 21 year old, undressed.
Nearly there. Ideally it needs to be with a blonde to contrast with the darkness of the eggs
Yes, dammit. She's brunette. Rookie error.
I also served freshly hand-carved Jamon Iberico de Bellota with the naked 21 year old, so maybe that balances it out.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
Meanwhile, over in France with little more than 3 weeks to go to first round voting, Melenchon gets ever closer to Fillon in today's ifop poll. Gap now down to just 2.5%.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
After Tusk's reasonable Guidelines there's been quite a lot of flailing from people who've long claimed that there could be no negotiation on trade terms until AFTER we left the EU....
Yes, if you actually read the guidelines, they are much more emollient than the headlines imply (unsurprisingly). The EU wants and expects a reasonable deal. The questions is whether emotions interfere, on either side.
Has made me a bit more confident that we'll get an amicable deal in the end.
Meanwhile, over in France with little more than 3 weeks to go to first round voting, Melenchon gets ever closer to Fillon in today's ifop poll. Gap now down to just 2.5%.
In 2015, EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes (£484 million revenue) in UK waters and UK vessels caught 111,000 tonnes (£114 million revenue) in Member States’ waters. Given the heavy reliance on UK waters of the EU fishing industry and the importance of EU waters to the UK, it is in both our interests to reach a mutually beneficial deal that works for the UK and the EU’s fishing communities. Following EU exit, we will want to ensure a sustainable and profitable seafood sector and deliver a cleaner, healthier and more productive marine environment.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
After Tusk's reasonable Guidelines there's been quite a lot of flailing from people who've long claimed that there could be no negotiation on trade terms until AFTER we left the EU....
Yes, if you actually read the guidelines, they are much more emollient than the headlines imply (unsurprisingly). The EU wants and expects a reasonable deal. The questions is whether emotions interfere, on either side.
Has made me a bit more confident that we'll get an amicable deal in the end.
If anything fucks this up, it is likely to be the British media, on both sides. The Remoaner press and BBC will shriek in outrage at everything we do, chucking spanners in the machinery, and the sceptic tabloids will do their best to insult our European pals at every opportunity.
If only we could close down all our TV stations and newspapers for the next two years - on left and right.
What you mean you don't like Sky's 700 and odd days to go counter....and the mobile version they are taking around the country?
That great Scottish organ the Guardian , it must be true surely. That one from Scotland with the opposite view will surely be fake.
You're really not very sharp, are you?
It was written by Professor Curtice.....professor of politics at Strathclyde University and chief commentator at whatukthinks.org/eu and Fellow of The British Academy for Humanities and Social Sciences.
Twits like you would have accused her of being provocative, or maybe "bullying", or that she had clumsily and pointlessly annoyed Spain, if she HAD mentioned it.
Really, there's no pleasing a Remoaner, so, understandably, we have all decided to ignore you.
But Brexit supporting chaps like you said getting a Brexit deal was easy, I'm just trying to help.
You are trying to be as provocative as possible.
No, some of us are dealing with the reality of Brexit, not the fantasy world of having cake and eating of Leavers,
No, you're indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
After Tusk's reasonable Guidelines there's been quite a lot of flailing from people who've long claimed that there could be no negotiation on trade terms until AFTER we left the EU....
Yes, if you actually read the guidelines, they are much more emollient than the headlines imply (unsurprisingly). The EU wants and expects a reasonable deal. The questions is whether emotions interfere, on either side.
Has made me a bit more confident that we'll get an amicable deal in the end.
If anything fucks this up, it is likely to be the British media, on both sides. The Remoaner press and BBC will shriek in outrage at everything we do, chucking spanners in the machinery, and the sceptic tabloids will do their best to insult our European pals at every opportunity.
If only we could close down all our TV stations and newspapers for the next two years - on left and right.
In 2015, EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes (£484 million revenue) in UK waters and UK vessels caught 111,000 tonnes (£114 million revenue) in Member States’ waters. Given the heavy reliance on UK waters of the EU fishing industry and the importance of EU waters to the UK, it is in both our interests to reach a mutually beneficial deal that works for the UK and the EU’s fishing communities. Following EU exit, we will want to ensure a sustainable and profitable seafood sector and deliver a cleaner, healthier and more productive marine environment.
The biggest, or second biggest, exporter of fruit and veg to the UK as well.
I can understand why May is sticking with Johnson-he got us into this mess it's reasonable that he should get us out of it-but when it becomes obvious that our erstwhile EU partners are running rings around us and all he can do is grin and play with his hair there must come a point when she cuts her losses.
"No man is a failure who has friends" Mark Twain
Listening to to-nights news we have very few.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
No friends?
Great Britain is the most liked and admired large country on earth, save Australia and Canada. We're ahead of Japan, Germany, Spain, France, Italy, USA, etc
We are 13th. Nonetheless an interesting graph. The salient point is that this is dated 2015. According to one of it's leading lights of the advertising industry the reputational damage of us leaving the EU-thus showing we are not the outward looking country we have always been thought to be-is incalculable.
* Sadiq Khan's ratings strong. May a small net positive. Nuttall dreadful - but Corbyn even worse. * Tories modestly up on 2015, but doing much better in outer than inner boroughs, as would be expected. * Labour down on 2015, still miles ahead of the nearest competition in inner London but in a dead heat with the Conservatives in outer London. * Lib Dems significantly outperforming national polls in inner London, but about on par with the national figure in the outskirts. * There's a fair amount of churn, but it's broadly consistent with the national pattern: a large fraction of the 2015 Ukip vote falling to the Conservatives, and a fair amount of movement in both directions between Lab and Lib Dem, with a significant overall net gain for the latter. But in London, there's also a smaller but noticeable net movement from Con to Lib Dem as well.
In short, if things don't change radically this would suggest the main migration of seats at the next election would be from Labour to Conservative. More dreadful news for the former, given that London was the only part of the country that experienced anything like a meaningful movement in favour of Ed Miliband, and that it would generally be assumed to be the place where Corbyn would be best received.
The distribution of Lib Dem support suggests that their capacity for progress is limited, but their strong ability in targeting their effort might win them back a couple of their 2015 losses in SW London anyway.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
And the spokesman for the catering industry on the radio today said that they are laying plans to train up tens of thousands of British workers to replace any lost immigrant labour.
Whilst I don't care who serves my coffee or cooks my omelette, please tell me exactly how training up British youth to actually do some useful work is a bad thing?
In 2015, EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes (£484 million revenue) in UK waters and UK vessels caught 111,000 tonnes (£114 million revenue) in Member States’ waters. Given the heavy reliance on UK waters of the EU fishing industry and the importance of EU waters to the UK, it is in both our interests to reach a mutually beneficial deal that works for the UK and the EU’s fishing communities. Following EU exit, we will want to ensure a sustainable and profitable seafood sector and deliver a cleaner, healthier and more productive marine environment.
The biggest, or second biggest, exporter of fruit and veg to the UK as well.
And by a substantial margin the UK is Spain's largest source of tourists 17m vs next nearest France & Germany (11m each...)
Mr. G, why's Melenchon rising? Or is he just next in line, and Fillon's sinking?
He had a pretty good TV debate and is still benefitting from that.. and Fillon is pretty stagnant in most of the polls, at 17.5 -18%.
Still not ruling out Fillon altogether but his odds look very poor value at the moment, however the lower he sinks in the polls, bizarrely, the lower his price goes!!
Next TV debate next tuesday could shake everything up I suppose, but Melenchon must be in with a good chance of putting in another good showing, although the dynamic will be different with all the candidates present.
* Sadiq Khan's ratings strong. May a small net positive. Nuttall dreadful - but Corbyn even worse. * Tories modestly up on 2015, but doing much better in outer than inner boroughs, as would be expected. * Labour down on 2015, still miles ahead of the nearest competition in inner London but in a dead heat with the Conservatives in outer London. * Lib Dems significantly outperforming national polls in inner London, but about on par with the national figure in the outskirts. * There's a fair amount of churn, but it's broadly consistent with the national pattern: a large fraction of the 2015 Ukip vote falling to the Conservatives, and a fair amount of movement in both directions between Lab and Lib Dem, with a significant overall net gain for the latter. But in London, there's also a smaller but noticeable net movement from Con to Lib Dem as well.
In short, if things don't change radically this would suggest the main migration of seats at the next election would be from Labour to Conservative. More dreadful news for the former, given that London was the only part of the country that experienced anything like a meaningful movement in favour of Ed Miliband, and that it would generally be assumed to be the place where Corbyn would be best received.
The distribution of Lib Dem support suggests that their capacity for progress is limited, but their strong ability in targeting their effort might win them back a couple of their 2015 losses in SW London anyway.
It shows how left wing London is that Labour is still 3% ahead, while 15% behind across the country as a whole.
I see he's made them on the basis that council by-elections are the best predictor rather than the national opinion polls.
That's what is known as a brave prediction.
And it means that HH is expecting there to be a swing to Labour from the 2015 general election.
Aside from that some of his detailed predictions are bollox.
For example Derbyshire - a 4% swing to the Conservatives from 2013 and with Labour still easily topping the poll is apparently going to give the Conservatives an overall majority on Derbyshire county council.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
And the spokesman for the catering industry on the radio today said that they are laying plans to train up tens of thousands of British workers to replace any lost immigrant labour.
Whilst I don't care who serves my coffee or cooks my omelette, please tell me exactly how training up British youth to actually do some useful work is a bad thing?
Because they're just not interested. You can walk down any High St in the land and see dozens of ads in windows for staff but unless they're interested they won't be any good. Do you think the Italians Spanish and Poles come here having been to catering college? They're just interested and bright enough to know the difference between a double expresso and beans on toast.
* Sadiq Khan's ratings strong. May a small net positive. Nuttall dreadful - but Corbyn even worse. * Tories modestly up on 2015, but doing much better in outer than inner boroughs, as would be expected. * Labour down on 2015, still miles ahead of the nearest competition in inner London but in a dead heat with the Conservatives in outer London. * Lib Dems significantly outperforming national polls in inner London, but about on par with the national figure in the outskirts. * There's a fair amount of churn, but it's broadly consistent with the national pattern: a large fraction of the 2015 Ukip vote falling to the Conservatives, and a fair amount of movement in both directions between Lab and Lib Dem, with a significant overall net gain for the latter. But in London, there's also a smaller but noticeable net movement from Con to Lib Dem as well.
In short, if things don't change radically this would suggest the main migration of seats at the next election would be from Labour to Conservative. More dreadful news for the former, given that London was the only part of the country that experienced anything like a meaningful movement in favour of Ed Miliband, and that it would generally be assumed to be the place where Corbyn would be best received.
The distribution of Lib Dem support suggests that their capacity for progress is limited, but their strong ability in targeting their effort might win them back a couple of their 2015 losses in SW London anyway.
It would be good to know the relative swings in Inner and Outer London - Outer London has many more marginal constituencies.
The EU isn't willing to contemplate any serious future for any European country that isn't a member of the EU, and supports European integration.
For me, it reaffirms just how right we were to vote to Leave.
We got knee-deep in this shit. Now, we have to wade out.
There is no alternative.
Dave's deal was the best thing you could hope for as an ongoing semi-detached relationship for the UK with the EU. I didn't like it because I'd prefer us to join Euro which would have been off the table if we'd voted Remain, but instead we decided to go for the option that will blow up the UK and now anything is possible.
We established last night that you have zero loyalty to the UK as a nation state, so I am discounting anything you have to say on the subject from now on.
It's UK government policy not to believe in the UK as a nation state. We have a binding commitment to revert back to being just Great Britain when the people of Northern Ireland wish it to be so.
That great Scottish organ the Guardian , it must be true surely. That one from Scotland with the opposite view will surely be fake.
You're really not very sharp, are you?
It was written by Professor Curtice.....professor of politics at Strathclyde University and chief commentator at whatukthinks.org/eu and Fellow of The British Academy for Humanities and Social Sciences.
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Post Brexit Britain will be something new. Different to where we are now. And different to what went before.
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/847827773641158656
It is a British territory.
Imagine the earth being repopulated with little @SeanT s
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/847763969792147457
For me, it reaffirms just how right we were to vote to Leave.
We got knee-deep in this shit. Now, we have to wade out.
It's left us and Gibraltar up the proverbial creek because we're the ones who decided to tear up the previous deal within the EU and the rock is reliant on having a relatively open border with Spain to function economically. But then that's probably why 96 of Gibraltarians voted remain.
BBC secret filming allows alleged fraudster to go free
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/31/bbc-secret-filming-alleged-benefits-fraudster-britain-on-the-fiddle
Film never shown...law is an ass.
https://twitter.com/JBeattieMirror/status/847857142765899776
Smaller Lol, like you needed reaffirmation!
Dave's deal was the best thing you could hope for as an ongoing semi-detached relationship for the UK with the EU. I didn't like it because I'd prefer us to join Euro which would have been off the table if we'd voted Remain, but instead we decided to go for the option that will blow up the UK and now anything is possible.
https://www.ft.com/content/965952c9-5dda-3e7d-92a9-e371ca3b0e14
It was written by Professor Curtice.....professor of politics at Strathclyde University and chief commentator at whatukthinks.org/eu and Fellow of The British Academy for Humanities and Social Sciences.
Not some dim turnip farmer from Ayrshire...
"No man is a failure who has friends" Mark Twain
Listening to to-nights news we have very few.
*Fact of the day; 75% of the UK's catering industry is immigrant labour
[If Fraser Nelson's reading - I am available to write an F1 column].
“The UK Government’s position is clear and will stand. There will be no negotiation over the status of Gibraltar.”
http://chronicle.gi/2017/03/uk-remains-absolutely-steadfast-on-gibraltar-after-eu-signals-spanish-brexit-veto/
Not particularly supportive of Continuity Osborne TSE
It says a lot about you.
And Mr Green did recant at length on his blog.
Too many jobs and too much money involved either side of the channel to let the minnows get in the way.
Yes, dammit. She's brunette. Rookie error.
I also served freshly hand-carved Jamon Iberico de Bellota with the naked 21 year old, so maybe that balances it out.
Spanish ham? TRAITOR!
http://dataviz.ifop.com:8080/IFOP_ROLLING/IFOP_31-03-2017.pdf
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/847821289477869568
- The Tory candidate refuses to call it Tees Valley; also, proposes nationalising (municipalising?) the airport. #ToriesLiterallyForCorbyn
- The UKIP candidate pledges to hold another referendum..... on abolishing the mayoralty
- The Lib Dem candidate proposes a prototype Hyperloop system. I like Teesside, but I don't trust us with that kind of speed.
The Labour candidate seems pretty standard but I'm sure some skeletons will come out at some point??
In 2015, EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes (£484 million revenue) in UK waters and UK vessels caught 111,000 tonnes (£114 million revenue) in Member States’ waters. Given the heavy reliance on UK waters of the EU fishing industry and the importance of EU waters to the UK, it is in both our interests to reach a mutually beneficial deal that works for the UK and the EU’s fishing communities. Following EU exit, we will want to ensure a sustainable and profitable seafood sector and deliver a cleaner, healthier and more productive marine environment.
http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/do-you-think-nicola-sturgeon-is-doing-well-or-badly-as-first-minister
Given Chinaman bowlers aren't allowed anymore in the Guardianista world, surprised Mexican stand-off is ok.
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5vzlbpfrb4/QueenMaryResults_London_March2017_2W.pdf
Highlights:
* Sadiq Khan's ratings strong. May a small net positive. Nuttall dreadful - but Corbyn even worse.
* Tories modestly up on 2015, but doing much better in outer than inner boroughs, as would be expected.
* Labour down on 2015, still miles ahead of the nearest competition in inner London but in a dead heat with the Conservatives in outer London.
* Lib Dems significantly outperforming national polls in inner London, but about on par with the national figure in the outskirts.
* There's a fair amount of churn, but it's broadly consistent with the national pattern: a large fraction of the 2015 Ukip vote falling to the Conservatives, and a fair amount of movement in both directions between Lab and Lib Dem, with a significant overall net gain for the latter. But in London, there's also a smaller but noticeable net movement from Con to Lib Dem as well.
In short, if things don't change radically this would suggest the main migration of seats at the next election would be from Labour to Conservative. More dreadful news for the former, given that London was the only part of the country that experienced anything like a meaningful movement in favour of Ed Miliband, and that it would generally be assumed to be the place where Corbyn would be best received.
The distribution of Lib Dem support suggests that their capacity for progress is limited, but their strong ability in targeting their effort might win them back a couple of their 2015 losses in SW London anyway.
Whilst I don't care who serves my coffee or cooks my omelette, please tell me exactly how training up British youth to actually do some useful work is a bad thing?
He's both an author and qualified in engineering. And 77
I'm with him on the hyperloop, will have to see if we can get it in the manifesto :}
He had a pretty good TV debate and is still benefitting from that.. and Fillon is pretty stagnant in most of the polls, at 17.5 -18%.
Still not ruling out Fillon altogether but his odds look very poor value at the moment, however the lower he sinks in the polls, bizarrely, the lower his price goes!!
Next TV debate next tuesday could shake everything up I suppose, but Melenchon must be in with a good chance of putting in another good showing, although the dynamic will be different with all the candidates present.
I see he's made them on the basis that council by-elections are the best predictor rather than the national opinion polls.
That's what is known as a brave prediction.
And it means that HH is expecting there to be a swing to Labour from the 2015 general election.
Aside from that some of his detailed predictions are bollox.
For example Derbyshire - a 4% swing to the Conservatives from 2013 and with Labour still easily topping the poll is apparently going to give the Conservatives an overall majority on Derbyshire county council.
No it wont:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derbyshire_County_Council_election,_2013
Still, overall HH has set a high bar for the LibDems.
I wonder if we'll be getting any 'LibDems flop' threads in five weeks time.
Anyway, time for me to get some reading done.
Play nicely, children.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-so-unpopular-in-london-that-even-labour-supporters-think-he-is-doing-badly-a3504146.html
NEW THREAD
Do you think the Italians Spanish and Poles come here having been to catering college? They're just interested and bright enough to know the difference between a double expresso and beans on toast.