Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.
Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority. Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.
Hardly the same.
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One of the main reasons Heath was/is strongly disliked by the Tory grassroots is the fact that he was rude and obnoxious to virtually everyone he met. And on this he made no distinction between those who agreed with him and those who didn't, nor between the duke and the dustman.
The ranks of those who were activists during Heath's leadership are heavily depleted now, but in many Tory associations you will still find a horror story or two about Heath coming to canvass in the 1970s, especially in seats near to his own in SE London.
At one Tory dinner the lady sitting next to him made him a bet she could get him to speak to her having been uncommunicative throughout, he won
Survation Tatton poll has "3 jobs Osbo" holding on with 41% margin CON 58 (-1) LAB 17 (-1) LD 12 (+3) UKIP 9 (-2)
Except there will be no seat after boundary changes iirc.
That's not actually that good for the Tories considering the change in the national polls since the last election.
Although Tatton voted Remain - in fact it's a bit Richmond Park-like, lots of ultra-rich "citizens of the world" who commute to Manchester - so it would make sense if the swing to them there is below the national average.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
Correct - but we announce that our starting rates are zero for imports and we expect the same for exports.
Let's see who's for free trade and who isn't.
Everyone is in favour of free trade in theory.
However, your scheme doesn't work. Even in the incredibly unlikely scenario where India, China and other countries were so grateful to the UK for abolishing all tariffs that they wanted to reciprocate, they couldn't under WTO rules. If they offer 0% tariffs to us, they have to offer them to everyone, unless there's a comprehensive free-trade deal in place between us and them. But, if we offer them full traiff-free access to our market, then they've got zero incentive to sign a free-trade deal with us.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
Well, under WTO rules they can't discriminate against us so they could only charge us what they charge everyone else for the same product.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Have to say I am a bit concerned about this. I like my accountant but I pay him enough already.
I know I've been banging on about this recently. But Hammond really is walking into a world of pain on this one, once the self-employed understand what is going to happen.
The threshold for involvement is £10K. At bare minimum he needs to raise this.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
Correct - but we announce that our starting rates are zero for imports and we expect the same for exports.
Let's see who's for free trade and who isn't.
Everyone is in favour of free trade in theory.
However, your scheme doesn't work. Even in the incredibly unlikely scenario where India, China and other countries were so grateful to the UK for abolishing all tariffs that they wanted to reciprocate, they couldn't under WTO rules. If they offer 0% tariffs to us, they have to offer them to everyone.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
Correct - but we announce that our starting rates are zero for imports and we expect the same for exports.
Let's see who's for free trade and who isn't.
Everyone is in favour of free trade in theory.
However, your scheme doesn't work. Even in the incredibly unlikely scenario where India, China and other countries were so grateful to the UK for abolishing all tariffs that they wanted to reciprocate, they couldn't under WTO rules. If they offer 0% tariffs to us, they have to offer them to everyone.
So plenty of pressure to sign a trade deal to get away from WTO rules ? Ideal.
Survation Tatton poll has "3 jobs Osbo" holding on with 41% margin CON 58 (-1) LAB 17 (-1) LD 12 (+3) UKIP 9 (-2)
Except there will be no seat after boundary changes iirc.
That's not actually that good for the Tories considering the change in the national polls since the last election.
Although Tatton voted Remain - in fact it's a bit Richmond Park-like, lots of ultra-rich "citizens of the world" who commute to Manchester - so it would make sense if the swing to them there is below the national average.
I'm a former resident of Tatton, I loved living there, was ideal country for us dripping wet socially Liberal Cameroons
Survation Tatton poll has "3 jobs Osbo" holding on with 41% margin CON 58 (-1) LAB 17 (-1) LD 12 (+3) UKIP 9 (-2)
Except there will be no seat after boundary changes iirc.
That's not actually that good for the Tories considering the change in the national polls since the last election.
Although Tatton voted Remain - in fact it's a bit Richmond Park-like, lots of ultra-rich "citizens of the world" who commute to Manchester - so it would make sense if the swing to them there is below the national average.
Yes, they certainly deserve to have George as their part-time MP.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
Mr Daisley certainly gets around - the full quote which you've precised above speaks volumes about your chap:
"For lapsed Catholics, nationalism fills a void once nourished by spirituality, and redemption comes through sovereignty, not salvation. Francis may be the Pope but only Nicola is infallible."
To conflate two topics on this thread, Big Stevie also self describes as a Zionist, rather odd for a West of Scotland Catholic boy.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
If a legislature doesn't pass any legislation a point comes when you have to ask what is it for?
Surely the avalanche of EU directives they have to deal with gives rise to a mountain of legislation? Don't tell me the Leave campaign was telling porkies...
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Have to say I am a bit concerned about this. I like my accountant but I pay him enough already.
I know I've been banging on about this recently. But Hammond really is walking into a world of pain on this one, once the self-employed understand what is going to happen.
The threshold for involvement is £10K. At bare minimum he needs to raise this.
There is going to be a minor cash flow advantage for the government and possibly some reduction in bad debt in exchange for a whole lot more work for the self employed, their accountants and HMRC. It would be so much easier to accelerate current payments.
Mr. Borough, really? Well, there are other signs too. The crest is not quite right.
Mr. Borough (2), hope that doesn't include lower earners. Won't be welcome to have to use electronic bullshit to register than two-fifths of a peanut earnt in a quarter...
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Talking of coinage the old seven sided threepence would be worth about 21p today. Prto-rata the old halfpenny demonetised almost 50 years ago in 1968 would be worth 3.5p yet we still use 1p and 2p coins with even less purchasing power. Time to ditch brown money!
We could even rename the 5p as a shilling and get back to 20 shillings to the pound.
Survation Tatton poll has "3 jobs Osbo" holding on with 41% margin CON 58 (-1) LAB 17 (-1) LD 12 (+3) UKIP 9 (-2)
Except there will be no seat after boundary changes iirc.
That's not actually that good for the Tories considering the change in the national polls since the last election.
The Con vote in places like Tatton might be close to being maxed out. Osborne's 2015 share was the highest in the seat since it was created for the 1983 election
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Saying that it does look as though it is true that, apart from the budget, there has been no bill past since last March. Did the SNP actually have any manifesto commitments apart from endless agitation on independence?
Edit: Just saw your reply on SIs, Alistair. Fair point, but to go one year only passing the budget and no other piece of primary legislation does appear odd.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
If a legislature doesn't pass any legislation a point comes when you have to ask what is it for?
I saw something like this before and I was confused then. The Scottish Parliament passed 22 Acts in 2016 which was actually a record: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2011
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
You don't understand how the WTO works do you ?
Providing we reach reasonably far reaching deals with other nations we can adjust.
"Though it's a joke I am seethingly angry with the people who put us in this state. I don't go along with the idea that you have to be nice towards people who you believe to be mean spirited which is how I see Brexiteers. I personally know very few and in the same way that I don't find 'metropolitan elite' offensive (I know what they mean) they shouldn't find 'small minded mean spirited nationalists' offensive. What part could you argue with?"
It's a big mistake to tar everyone with the same brush. Many of those who voted Brexit do not fit your stereotype of hardline thick racists, in fact many may not have been all that bothered about the issue but simply made a choice between the two campaigns without thinking too much about it. Most Leave voters I know personally are kind, comfortably off and retired. Also do not tar whole towns with the same brush, even in places like Hartlepool and Clacton at least 30% voted to Remain. I imagine that minority do not like people such as yourself labelling residents of their town as ignorant thickos.
Agreed. It's no good (and pointlessly rude) trying to troll Leavers. Politely refusing to accept that options are closed forever and patiently arguing that we're making a mistake is the only way forward for Remainers.
BETTING... Betway have an interesting bet which is 4/11 for any non-Belgian to win the Tour of Flanders on Sunday. The only Belgian with a realistic chance is Greg van Avermaet who has just flogged himself to oblivion to win E3 Harelbeke and Gent-Wevelgem this week. The Tour of Flanders is the toughest race on the tour so effectively betting that GvA can't win it at 4/11 is great value as he cannot have fully recovered.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Mr. Borough, really? Well, there are other signs too. The crest is not quite right.
Mr. Borough (2), hope that doesn't include lower earners. Won't be welcome to have to use electronic bullshit to register than two-fifths of a peanut earnt in a quarter...
Depends what you mean by low earners.
It is rather unclear at moment. No one who earns less than £10K from self-employed work or property rental will be involved. This threshold might be moved, possibly to the same level as the personal allowance (i.e. £11K).
Anyone who earns less than the VAT threshold, but more than £10K and also enough to pay Class 4 NICS will be dragged into the scheme in 2019.
There is, in my opinion, a grey area between £10K and the Class 4 NIC threshold (which is based on profit not turn-over).
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
You don't understand how the WTO works do you ?
WTO conditions are so good that countries spend years creating custom trade deals rather than use WTO.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Mr. Borough, really? Well, there are other signs too. The crest is not quite right.
Mr. Borough (2), hope that doesn't include lower earners. Won't be welcome to have to use electronic bullshit to register than two-fifths of a peanut earnt in a quarter...
Depends what you mean by low earners.
It is rather unclear at moment. No one who earns less than £10K from self-employed work or property rental will be involved. This threshold might be moved, possibly to the same level as the personal allowance (i.e. £11K).
Anyone who earns less than the VAT threshold, but more than £10K and also enough to pay Class 4 NICS will be dragged into the scheme in 2019.
There is, in my opinion, a grey area between £10K and the Class 4 NIC threshold (which is based on profit not turn-over).
I don't think the actual digital filing is a burden - takes minutes. It's the accompanying requirement to maintain business records digitally that will cause the pain. Loads of plumbers who don't keep proper records will now have to.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
If a legislature doesn't pass any legislation a point comes when you have to ask what is it for?
I saw something like this before and I was confused then. The Scottish Parliament passed 22 Acts in 2016 which was actually a record: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2011
What criteria are they using?
As you'd expect most outgoing administrations front load their legislative program in advance of an election and it takes time to gear up - particularly as the SNP are now a minority government.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Apparently we aren't allowed to operate preferential trade as an independent nation yet that is the entire argument for the EU.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Saying that it does look as though it is true that, apart from the budget, there has been no bill past since last March. Did the SNP actually have any manifesto commitments apart from endless agitation on independence?
Edit: Just saw your reply on SIs, Alistair. Fair point, but to go one year only passing the budget and no other piece of primary legislation does appear odd.
The ever so exciting Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Act 2016 received Royal Assent on 28th April 2016.
They are not exactly overworked and do depressingly little to address Scotland's problems but this claim by Labour list does not look right.
While in general I believe "less is more" when it comes to legislating, I think the SNP Government is taking it a bit far:
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
Saying that it does look as though it is true that, apart from the budget, there has been no bill past since last March. Did the SNP actually have any manifesto commitments apart from endless agitation on independence?
Edit: Just saw your reply on SIs, Alistair. Fair point, but to go one year only passing the budget and no other piece of primary legislation does appear odd.
The ever so exciting Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Act 2016 received Royal Assent on 28th April 2016.
They are not exactly overworked and do depressingly little to address Scotland's problems but this claim by Labour list does not look right.
They do mention the budget in the body of the text, and it is a fair point that they are legally obliged to pass a budget each year.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
Armchair Corbynista showing their complete lack of interest in anything other than leadership contests?
'"About 60 per cent of these people joined to take part in the 2016 leadership election and immediately went into arrears," the report said.
"The other 40 per cent joined to take part in the 2015 leadership election and didn’t renew their membership after the first year.”'
So yes, Corbynites leaving after a year or two rather than old-school members getting pissed off.
I didn't quite understand the arrears comment. Are they saying that people ticked to join the party, in order to vote in the contest, and then never paid any subs (or at least paid the first month and then not again)?
At one point we were told Labour was making serious money from all the new members.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Apparently we aren't allowed to operate preferential trade as an independent nation yet that is the entire argument for the EU.
We are in a world of complex, integrated trade deals, associations, and interrelated commercial relations.
And that, without stepping back into the ring for some more sparring, is why leaving the EU is so misconceived.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
Agreed, given most of his earnings now come from outside Westminster he clearly cannot devote his full time to his role as an MP
That's quite remarkable when you consider that something like 10% of the country's population was in France.
Not if their WAGs were with them.
Perhaps, but looking at the pictures it looks like mostly men (which is what you'd expect). But it might be that the younger men were more likely to be there with their significant others.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
That's quite remarkable when you consider that something like 10% of the country's population was in France.
Just because the babies were all born in Iceland, it doesn't mean that they were all conceived there.
They're all cousins anyway
All the kids in Iceland have an app on their phone which when you bump phones with another person it tells you if you are too closely related to get it on or not.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Armchair Corbynista showing their complete lack of interest in anything other than leadership contests?
'"About 60 per cent of these people joined to take part in the 2016 leadership election and immediately went into arrears," the report said.
"The other 40 per cent joined to take part in the 2015 leadership election and didn’t renew their membership after the first year.”'
So yes, Corbynites leaving after a year or two rather than old-school members getting pissed off.
I didn't quite understand the arrears comment. Are they saying that people ticked to join the party, in order to vote in the contest, and then never paid any subs (or at least paid the first month and then not again)?
At one point we were told Labour was making serious money from all the new members.
Presumably yes, they paid the first installment, voted, and didn't pay another penny.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who signed up to get a vote and are still members on paper but don't consider themselves to be members or have any intention of renewing.
That's quite remarkable when you consider that something like 10% of the country's population was in France.
Just because the babies were all born in Iceland, it doesn't mean that they were all conceived there.
They're all cousins anyway
All the kids in Iceland have an app on their phone which when you bump phones with another person it tells you if you are too closely related to get it on or not.
Excellent. I must install that before my holiday there.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Apparently we aren't allowed to operate preferential trade as an independent nation yet that is the entire argument for the EU.
We are in a world of complex, integrated trade deals, associations, and interrelated commercial relations.
And that, without stepping back into the ring for some more sparring, is why leaving the EU is so misconceived.
That is true but it is unravelling.
The US is withdrawing and so are we. The perception is that the deals have turned sour and had negative side effects.
I read the mood as one where similarly minded and similarly wealthy nations are now looking to set up a new club without the downsides.
According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated. Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?
Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.
The name of the page being linked to doesn't have to match exactly the text being used for the link, so I don't think that is it.
I suspect it's simply because whoever edited the page was lazy :-)
To be fair, the Wikipedia table faithfully reproduces the names from its source material (a results web page, which probably used the actual names on the ballot paper).
F##k if you didn't think ISIS were really sick f##kers, sky showing propaganda video where they filmed young kids been sent into building to hunt down and kill prisoners in a running man style movie, but for real.
That's quite remarkable when you consider that something like 10% of the country's population was in France.
Just because the babies were all born in Iceland, it doesn't mean that they were all conceived there.
They're all cousins anyway
All the kids in Iceland have an app on their phone which when you bump phones with another person it tells you if you are too closely related to get it on or not.
Introduce that to Norfolk and everyone would be celibate.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Osborne is only hanging around in politics so as not to break TSE's heart.
Go on, TSE, tell him it's OK to go. Do the decent thing - set him free. Only you can do this....
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Would Osborne make a near-perfect Foreign Secretary?
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Osborne irritates the British public to a quite damaging degree...
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Apparently we aren't allowed to operate preferential trade as an independent nation yet that is the entire argument for the EU.
We are in a world of complex, integrated trade deals, associations, and interrelated commercial relations.
And that, without stepping back into the ring for some more sparring, is why leaving the EU is so misconceived.
That is true but it is unravelling.
The US is withdrawing and so are we. The perception is that the deals have turned sour and had negative side effects.
I read the mood as one where similarly minded and similarly wealthy nations are now looking to set up a new club without the downsides.
A club of like-minded nations you say? Coming together to determine mutually agreed rules of trade between themselves you say?
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Would Osborne make a near-perfect Foreign Secretary?
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?
I don't even know what the investment is. Possibly a unit trust or even just a part of a unit trust? It's so ridiculous and difficult i'm going to call them up and tell them to sell it whatever it is. It's driving me mad!
I get the same forms for my US taxes. Insane bureaucracy. America is famous for it.
You could just about do your own self-employed UK tax forms, with half a brain and Google to help.
Impossible with America. You have to use an accountant, who will cost you folding money. I wonder if there is some freemasonic deal between accountants, the IRS and the American Treasury.
The makers of TurboTax lobbied hard against simplifying personal taxes in the US.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Would Osborne make a near-perfect Foreign Secretary?
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Would Osborne make a near-perfect Foreign Secretary?
Seven jobs instead of six???
Osborne the man with more real jobs than Paul nuttall has had imaginary ones.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
I wrote a thread in September suggesting that Osborne might be the answer to Brexit; I was thinking on a good cop, bad cop, basis.
Thing is: I'm not sure he could work under May's strategic direction, and he's not done much to repair trust with the Party.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Boris has made good friends with Tillerson, Pence and key figures within the Trump administration though and he goes down quite well beyond the EU (and even there Eastern Europeans seem to quite like him). Anyway it will be May and Davis who will do most of the negotiating with the EU and not Boris
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Apparently we aren't allowed to operate preferential trade as an independent nation yet that is the entire argument for the EU.
We are in a world of complex, integrated trade deals, associations, and interrelated commercial relations.
And that, without stepping back into the ring for some more sparring, is why leaving the EU is so misconceived.
That is true but it is unravelling.
The US is withdrawing and so are we. The perception is that the deals have turned sour and had negative side effects.
I read the mood as one where similarly minded and similarly wealthy nations are now looking to set up a new club without the downsides.
A club of like-minded nations you say? Coming together to determine mutually agreed rules of trade between themselves you say?
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Would Osborne make a near-perfect Foreign Secretary?
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if May sacked Boris in a reshuffle before long. By all accounts, she only appointed him in the first place because she felt to "unify the party" she needed to get one of the top Leavers in post, and she found Michael Gove too beyond the pale. But the party is unified now and she is incredibly popular with the Brexit wing of her party, so job done, no need to keep a Foreign Secretary who only ever drops the government into hot water.
That said, looking down the Cabinet list, I'm not sure who else would be a suitable FS. Possibly Michael Fallon?
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
We reciprocate but are now free to zero rate beyond Europe if we choose.
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
It's almost as if some can't comprehend that we have a massive trade deficit.
Apparently we aren't allowed to operate preferential trade as an independent nation yet that is the entire argument for the EU.
We are in a world of complex, integrated trade deals, associations, and interrelated commercial relations.
And that, without stepping back into the ring for some more sparring, is why leaving the EU is so misconceived.
That is true but it is unravelling.
The US is withdrawing and so are we. The perception is that the deals have turned sour and had negative side effects.
I read the mood as one where similarly minded and similarly wealthy nations are now looking to set up a new club without the downsides.
A club of like-minded nations you say? Coming together to determine mutually agreed rules of trade between themselves you say?
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It could be simply based around trade between like-minded nations. We could call it the Empathic Economic Commonwealth.... Or EEC for short.
I think Osborne will be content with those numbers. A huge net 'wrong', but only an MoE change over 2015.
Does Osbo care? Is he really that bothered about remaining an MP? If so, he has an odd way of going about winning a selection contest.
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
Monetarily no, Osborne's not only earning vastly more than backbench MPs but significantly more than May too and in fact he is even outearning his old boss Cameron on the lecture circuit
I don't know why he doesn't just stand down. Perhaps he's waiting for May to stumble and then to ride to the government's rescue but that seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps he's also waiting to see whether the new boundaries will be implemented. Either way, he'll need to make a call fairly soon - probably within a year.
He was positioning himself as (as he would see it) the rational alternative to Boris as Foreign Secretary only a few months ago.
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
Theresa May should sack Boris and appoint Osborne in his place. Boris does seem to irritate our EU friends to a quite damaging degree, and that is not going to be at all helpful in the negotiations.
Boris has done fine as Foreign Secretary. A couple of gaffes in the first weeks reinforced a certain image of him, but he's getting into the role. I don't see what would qualify Osborne to replace him.
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However, your scheme doesn't work. Even in the incredibly unlikely scenario where India, China and other countries were so grateful to the UK for abolishing all tariffs that they wanted to reciprocate, they couldn't under WTO rules. If they offer 0% tariffs to us, they have to offer them to everyone, unless there's a comprehensive free-trade deal in place between us and them. But, if we offer them full traiff-free access to our market, then they've got zero incentive to sign a free-trade deal with us.
In other words, it's a non-starter.
With MSPs set to debate and vote on another independence referendum bill today, more than a year has passed since the Scottish parliament passed any legislation.
http://labourlist.org/2017/03/holyrood-passes-no-legislation-for-a-year-whilst-the-snp-obsess-on-independence/
If a legislature doesn't pass any legislation a point comes when you have to ask what is it for?
The threshold for involvement is £10K. At bare minimum he needs to raise this.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3145643/theresa-may-tariffs-on-goods-from-eu/amp/
(That said, as someone who might well be running at least one selection contest, I can see that his capacity to fundraise would be a net positive).
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/576.aspx
http://www.maritimeprofessional.com/news/queen-mary-host-shanghai-trade-303186#.WNo5p0W-Gxg.twitter
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tragedy-reporters-waiting-theresa-nicola-10109973
Mr. Borough (2), hope that doesn't include lower earners. Won't be welcome to have to use electronic bullshit to register than two-fifths of a peanut earnt in a quarter...
Edit: Just saw your reply on SIs, Alistair. Fair point, but to go one year only passing the budget and no other piece of primary legislation does appear odd.
What criteria are they using?
This is where the trade balance comes into play. We are a better customer than they are.
https://order-order.com/2017/03/28/leavers-walk-out-of-brexit-select-committee-over-benns-highly-partisan-report/
My invoices now offer Bitcoins as an option. I didn't expect anyone to actually pay me that way but a couple have started!
It is rather unclear at moment. No one who earns less than £10K from self-employed work or property rental will be involved. This threshold might be moved, possibly to the same level as the personal allowance (i.e. £11K).
Anyone who earns less than the VAT threshold, but more than £10K and also enough to pay Class 4 NICS will be dragged into the scheme in 2019.
There is, in my opinion, a grey area between £10K and the Class 4 NIC threshold (which is based on profit not turn-over).
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/19/1408442183654_Image_galleryImage_David_Cameron_is_pictured.JPG
Duh .....
Whilst not personally affected, the policy remains bloody stupid.
Edited extra bit: anyway, must be off.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/84618/labour-membership-falls-thousands-fail-renew
Armchair Corbynista showing their complete lack of interest in anything other than leadership contests?
"The other 40 per cent joined to take part in the 2015 leadership election and didn’t renew their membership after the first year.”'
So yes, Corbynites leaving after a year or two rather than old-school members getting pissed off.
They are not exactly overworked and do depressingly little to address Scotland's problems but this claim by Labour list does not look right.
A hundred pages? What happened to the simple hologramatic communication... "execute Article 50"?
At one point we were told Labour was making serious money from all the new members.
And that, without stepping back into the ring for some more sparring, is why leaving the EU is so misconceived.
A number of Brexit-backing MPs "politely" walked out of a private meeting of the Commons Brexit Select Committee, it has been claimed.
A source said Labour chairman Hilary Benn had tried to "bounce" members into accepting a 155-page report into the government's Brexit White Paper.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39417715
Perhaps he's concluded he isn't going anywhere. He's not going to be Chancellor again, and he's too disliked to become party leader/PM.
So, barring a black swan, what else is there for him in politics?
https://twitter.com/amolrajanbbc/status/846690972536836097
I'm sure there are plenty of people who signed up to get a vote and are still members on paper but don't consider themselves to be members or have any intention of renewing.
The US is withdrawing and so are we. The perception is that the deals have turned sour and had negative side effects.
I read the mood as one where similarly minded and similarly wealthy nations are now looking to set up a new club without the downsides.
Go on, TSE, tell him it's OK to go. Do the decent thing - set him free. Only you can do this....
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Thing is: I'm not sure he could work under May's strategic direction, and he's not done much to repair trust with the Party.
That said, looking down the Cabinet list, I'm not sure who else would be a suitable FS. Possibly Michael Fallon?
How come no-one thought of that before?