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After their extraordinary gain of a by-election seat from LAB in Copeland we have heard very little of the blue team’s prospects in Manchester Gorton which is expected to take place on May 4th. Yet as the panel shows the Tories got very close to victory in the seat in 1967.
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First, though now is not the time for triumphalism.0
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Second like Winston S Churchill.0
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Second. The EU: the last piece of the damage Heath did to be undone.0
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A cheeky thread!0
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Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.
As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.0 -
A friend of mine's father stood for the Tories in Gorton twice in 1974, urging the local voters to "stamp out Marksism". Unsurprisingly they rejected his entreaties...0
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What an awesome pun.Tissue_Price said:A friend of mine's father stood for the Tories in Gorton twice in 1974, urging the local voters to "stamp out Marksism". Unsurprisingly they rejected his entreaties...
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Morning comrades,
So I see Theresa and Nicola have legs!!!!!!!!!!
Who knew? Who knew?
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In what way?RobD said:A cheeky thread!
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'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true
THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.
May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.
Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'
http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2
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GIN1138 said:
Morning comrades,
So I see Theresa and Nicola have legs!!!!!!!!!!
Who knew? Who knew?
They would be out on a limb otherwise
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Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url...Theuniondivvie said:'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true
THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.
May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.
Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'
http://tinyurl.com/n8w7ta2
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Mr. Gin, did you know Davros could actually walk?
He chose his enclosed wheelchair simply to avoid superficial headlines like that of the Daily Mail. That's why the daleks are fully enclosed. If it weren't for the Daily Mail, there would be no daleks.0 -
FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
1997: 11.7%
2001-9.9%
2005-9.8%
2010-11%
2015-9.7%
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict the Tories will get between 9.5 and 12%0 -
we are governed by socilaists I'm sure you are right.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
But...it seems wholly at odds with the intended direction of red tape:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/27/cut-eu-red-tape-choking-britain-brexit-set-country-free-shackles/
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Heh0
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Ironically Brexit might ultimately help realise Sir Ted Heath's dream.
Brexit was the Pro-EU side's fall of Singapore, but we all know who won the war.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-brexiteers-junckers-fifth-columnists/0 -
So which county is it in now?TheScreamingEagles said:Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.
As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.0 -
You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
Cleveland.SandyRentool said:
So which county is it in now?TheScreamingEagles said:Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.
As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.0 -
He did that yesterday with an article two months out of date...RobD said:
Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url...Theuniondivvie said:'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true
THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.
May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.
Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'
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I wonder if the visionary pro-European foresaw what the Common Market would later become.0
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You learn something new every day Morris.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, did you know Davros could actually walk?
He chose his enclosed wheelchair simply to avoid superficial headlines like that of the Daily Mail. That's why the daleks are fully enclosed. If it weren't for the Daily Mail, there would be no daleks. 0 -
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No such place!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cleveland.SandyRentool said:
So which county is it in now?TheScreamingEagles said:Ted Heath will always be viewed favourably by me and other Yorkshire folk.
As part of the local government reform he took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.
If thew Queen were to visit Middlesbrough (yes, I know), which Lord Lieutenant would greet her?0 -
I love how you've plugged AV in that.TheScreamingEagles said:Ironically Brexit might ultimately help realise Sir Ted Heath's dream.
Brexit was the Pro-EU side's fall of Singapore, but we all know who won the war.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-brexiteers-junckers-fifth-columnists/0 -
How many investments like that do you think Leavers of Clackton HartlEpool or Stoke have?Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.
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Mr. Pulpstar, that sounds like an optimistic exchange rate forecast.0
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Do the Tories not get squeezed in By Elections, like other parties?Artist said:1997: 11.7%
2001-9.9%
2005-9.8%
2010-11%
2015-9.7%
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict the Tories will get between 9.5 and 12%0 -
You should have put yourself forward to be the Tory candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.
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Look at the FACTS from Stoke and Copelandlogical_song said:
Do the Tories not get squeezed in By Elections, like other parties?Artist said:1997: 11.7%
2001-9.9%
2005-9.8%
2010-11%
2015-9.7%
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict the Tories will get between 9.5 and 12%0 -
I don't even know what the investment is. Possibly a unit trust or even just a part of a unit trust? It's so ridiculous and difficult i'm going to call them up and tell them to sell it whatever it is. It's driving me mad!Animal_pb said:
You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
You should definitely go to Hartlepool and make a short film about what you find there. Working title: A Coastal Town They Forgot to Close Down.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
Structured capital markets products by the sounds of it. One doubts that they are common-place investments in Clacton (and if Roger plans to patronise, it's helpful to at least get the placenames correct).Animal_pb said:
You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
I would make for a terrible MP.tlg86 said:
You should have put yourself forward to be the Tory candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.
Agree.
Being a Tory and a Liverpool FC fan in Manchester Gorton would not go down well.0 -
For the benefit of Mr Eagles and other proud Yorkshire folk:
http://www.nyll.org.uk/about/county-facts/
Clearly, Middlesbrough is a small town in Yorkshire!0 -
In a good way.MikeSmithson said:
In what way?RobD said:A cheeky thread!
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It is what 50 years of the same old Labour-Tory rule does to a country.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, that sounds like an optimistic exchange rate forecast.
We needed Grimmond :>0 -
As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, if we'd had Lib Dem rule for that long, the currency would be weaker due to membership of the single currency.0
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Sounds wise. The last thing you want is to appear on an IRS orange jumpsuit candidates list - if you've somehow managed to get caught by these rules (they were designed to capture major USD flows between financial entities), get out, now.Roger said:
I don't even know what the investment is. Possibly a unit trust or even just a part of a unit trust? It's so ridiculous and difficult i'm going to call them up and tell them to sell it whatever it is. It's driving me mad!Animal_pb said:
You have to fill in a W-8BEN-E as a private investor? Really? What kind of stuff are you investing in that get caught by the US FATCA regulations?Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
Posh boy TINO....TheScreamingEagles said:So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.
Agree.0 -
Animal
You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?
"I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.
By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".0 -
Can you give me the mark-sterling rates between 67 and now ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, if we'd had Lib Dem rule for that long, the currency would be weaker due to membership of the single currency.
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Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.
Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.
Hardly the same.
Heath's greatest achievement was in proving both that the post-war consensus was unworkable and that it couldn't - at the time - be reformed. In his proof, he enabled the maturing of what would later become Thatcherism but it would take the Winter of Discontent for the Conservative Party to be ready to accept the price that would need to be paid for the reforms to become embedded.
His government failed but in that failure were germinated the seeds of recovery.0 -
At the last general election I campaigned for four Tory candidates to be elected.CarlottaVance said:
Posh boy TINO....TheScreamingEagles said:So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.
Agree.
Not bad for a TINO, out of curiosity how many Tory MPs did you help get elected at the last general election.0 -
For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....0 -
You mean the Britain where 'every worker becomes a shareholder' failed to materialise? Perhaps something for Maggie 2.0's inbox.CarlottaVance said:
How many investments like that do you think Leavers of Clackton HartlEpool or Stoke have?Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
And what percentage of the population do you think has or can afford small investments overseas Roger? Hell most of us cant afford sticking a few quid in a building society. Oh well never mind that my pay should be plundered so those few percent rich enough to invest overseas like you dont have to fill out a 10 page formRoger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
Blimey that sounds a bit exotic... what is this investment returning :>Roger said:Animal
You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?
"I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.
By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".0 -
Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to itHHemmelig said:
As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, the Deutschmark doesn't exist any more. An exporting nation (Germany) having a strong currency is not very surprising.0
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Perhaps the Labour party would give all those things up easily. Perhaps it would agree to a single currency, to total abolition of the pound sterling. Perhaps, being totally incompetent with monetary matters, they’d be only too delighted to hand over full responsibility as they did to the IMF, to a central bank. The fact is they have no competence on money and no competence on the economy—so, yes, the right hon. Gentleman would be glad to hand it all over. What is the point in trying to get elected to Parliament only to hand over your sterling and the powers of this House to Europe?Pulpstar said:
It is what 50 years of the same old Labour-Tory rule does to a country.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, that sounds like an optimistic exchange rate forecast.
We needed Grimmond :>
Mrs T in October 19900 -
Four - that's nothing. At the next GE Jeremy Corbyn will help well over 300 Tory candidates get elected!TheScreamingEagles said:
At the last general election I campaigned for four Tory candidates to be elected.CarlottaVance said:
Posh boy TINO....TheScreamingEagles said:So what you're saying Mike is that if the Tories don't get within 500 votes of Labour in the by election, Mrs May is an electoral liability.
Agree.
Not bad for a TINO, out of curiosity how many Tory MPs did you help get elected at the last general election.0 -
I don't follow tinyurls posted here. The poster is obviously trying to hide something...RobD said:
Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url...Theuniondivvie said:'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true
THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.
May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.
Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'
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On topic, I shall not feed the troll.0
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Yes, better to be a nation of export rather than the hyperconsuming UK for sure.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, the Deutschmark doesn't exist any more. An exporting nation (Germany) having a strong currency is not very surprising.
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According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?0 -
I Am Not A Financial Advisor.Roger said:Animal
You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?
"I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.
By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".
However, they are right about the withholding tax aspect, if your investment portfolio is such that you fall under the FATCA regime. Personally, in your position I'd talk to my financial advisor about how to structure my investment holdings to avoid this exposure. It's perfectly possible to own US investments through custodial arrangements that leave the filing responsibilities with the investment managers.0 -
One of the main reasons Heath was/is strongly disliked by the Tory grassroots is the fact that he was rude and obnoxious to virtually everyone he met. And on this he made no distinction between those who agreed with him and those who didn't, nor between the duke and the dustman.david_herdson said:Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.
Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.
Hardly the same.
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The ranks of those who were activists during Heath's leadership are heavily depleted now, but in many Tory associations you will still find a horror story or two about Heath coming to canvass in the 1970s, especially in seats near to his own in SE London.0 -
Marine A sentenced to 7 years for manslaughter:
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Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....0 -
Yeah, I was trying to fool the REALLY dumb PBers into thinking it was a real rather than satirical piece. Thank goodness you didn't fall into my cunning trap.ThreeQuidder said:
I don't follow tinyurls posted here. The poster is obviously trying to hide something...RobD said:
Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url...Theuniondivvie said:'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true
THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.
May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.
Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'
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You see I could tell something was amiss when I opened the link and it said "Daily Mash".Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, I was trying to fool the REALLY dumb PBers into thinking it was a real rather than satirical piece. Thank goodness you didn't fall into my cunning trap.ThreeQuidder said:
I don't follow tinyurls posted here. The poster is obviously trying to hide something...RobD said:
Cheeky, hiding a Daily Mash article behind a tiny url...Theuniondivvie said:'Worried Britons notice opposite of everything May says is true
THE exact opposite of anything Theresa May says is correct, concerned Britons have realised.
May claimed Brexit will make the UK more united, sparking fears that she lives in a delusional fantasy world where grass grows on clouds.
Office worker Tom Logan said: “I don’t see how we’re more united if Scotland is trying to leave and half the population thinks the other half are gullible racists or liberal ponces. May also said we’d cut red tape and become a great trading nation, but we’re employing loads more civil servants and it turns out all we’ve got to sell is Reggae Reggae Sauce."'
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That's Ronnie Scott's line. Or 'I went to Scunthorpe last week. It was closed'. Or 'Anyone know Scunthorpe well? ......I told you not to let them in' Or if Typhoo put the T in Britain....Dura_Ace said:
You should definitely go to Hartlepool and make a short film about what you find there. Working title: A Coastal Town They Forgot to Close Down.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
As for making a film ....Sacha Baron Cohen got there first
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03156/grimsby1_3156581b.jpg0 -
Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?0 -
Golly, didn't you get pompously worked up for nothing.CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....
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Quite a contrast to his nemesis, MT.HHemmelig said:
One of the main reasons Heath was/is strongly disliked by the Tory grassroots is the fact that he was rude and obnoxious to virtually everyone he met. And on this he made no distinction between those who agreed with him and those who didn't, nor between the duke and the dustman.david_herdson said:Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.
Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.
Hardly the same.
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The ranks of those who were activists during Heath's leadership are heavily depleted now, but in many Tory associations you will still find a horror story or two about Heath coming to canvass in the 1970s, especially in seats near to his own in SE London.
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To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?0 -
FPT
Another very important way the EU will be changed by Brexit is that it will discriminate alot more against non-members. The assumption to now is that every country wants to be part of the EU eventually so it hasn't felt the need to discriminate. That assumption has been blown away by Brexit so it will want to be clearer about the benefits of membership. Life outside will be more uncomfortable, but also for Britain but also Switzerland and Norway.CarlottaVance said:How BREXIT will change the EU:
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Tomorrows headline: Women have legs - nation in shockGIN1138 said:Morning comrades,
So I see Theresa and Nicola have legs!!!!!!!!!!
Who knew? Who knew?0 -
Thanks. I just have a loathing of forms and they seem to be on the up.Animal_pb said:
I Am Not A Financial Advisor.Roger said:Animal
You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?
"I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.
By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".
However, they are right about the withholding tax aspect, if your investment portfolio is such that you fall under the FATCA regime. Personally, in your position I'd talk to my financial advisor about how to structure my investment holdings to avoid this exposure. It's perfectly possible to own US investments through custodial arrangements that leave the filing responsibilities with the investment managers.0 -
The name of the page being linked to doesn't have to match exactly the text being used for the link, so I don't think that is it.rcs1000 said:
Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?0 -
Oh my.CarlottaVance said:
Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....
In the same month there was another by election where the Tory candidate saw his share of the vote go up by 7.1% compared to Winston S Churchill's piddling 4.6% increase.
The other Tory candidate didn't have a name as illustrious as Churchill. Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.0 -
Grimsby is a classic airplane film. You would never dream of going to see it, or even renting it "normally" but can get away with it on a plane because no one is really watching.Roger said:
That's Ronnie Scott's line. Or 'I went to Scunthorpe last week. It was closed'. Or 'Anyone know Scunthorpe well? ......I told you not to let them in' Or if Typhoo put the T in Britain....Dura_Ace said:
You should definitely go to Hartlepool and make a short film about what you find there. Working title: A Coastal Town They Forgot to Close Down.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
As for making a film ....Sacha Baron Cohen got there first
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03156/grimsby1_3156581b.jpg
Of course I gave it all away when I did watch it on the plane by laughing like a drain all the way through thereby attracting more attention than I would have wished.0 -
Why do you feel the need to reinforce an already very dominant stereotype that all Remainers are condescending metropolitan snobs who know and care nothing for much of the country? Do you secretly want to be governed by a populist right wing government for the next 20 years? It's all very well saying "it's just my sense of humour" but, for example, you would find an equivalent joke playing on racial stereotypes beyond the pale.Roger said:
Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to itHHemmelig said:
As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.Roger said:FPT
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
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Cameron's greatest achievement might be in proving the post-Suez consensus on Europe was unworkable and that it couldn't be reformed.david_herdson said:Alas Heath’s achievements are now viewed by the Tories in much the same way that the LAB movement views Tony Blair.
Blair's election record: 3 elections - 2 massive landslide voctories, 1 other workable majority.
Heath's election record: 4 elections - 1 working majority, 2 narrow defeats, 1 heavy defeat.
Hardly the same.
Heath's greatest achievement was in proving both that the post-war consensus was unworkable and that it couldn't - at the time - be reformed. In his proof, he enabled the maturing of what would later become Thatcherism but it would take the Winter of Discontent for the Conservative Party to be ready to accept the price that would need to be paid for the reforms to become embedded.
His government failed but in that failure were germinated the seeds of recovery.
In this proof, he might have enabled the maturing of a responsible, independent self-governing UK match-fit and ready to face the world that accepts the price of exit as something that needs to be paid to enable these reforms to be realised.0 -
It was actually quite a small swing for a mid-term by-election in the period (noting Labour won a big victory in 1966 so were starting from a high base). There was a 16.5% swing in Leicester SW on the same day, and the Tories gained Meriden, Dudley and Acton on bigger swings a few months later in March 1968.CarlottaVance said:
Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....0 -
Or the state of the country?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.CarlottaVance said:
Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....
Did either candidate campaign on a pro-EEC platform?0 -
Lighting the blue touch paper.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.htmlThe Independent said:The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
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Manchester Gorton (like most of Manchester City) was very different then. It had a much bigger Conservative-supporting middle class.0
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In the case of the US, it's justified (although FATCA was a response to the Great Financial Crisis, not Brexit). Once you're registered as a US taxpayer, even for WHT purposes, there's always a chance (possibly infinitesimal, but still) that you'll get extradited by the IRS, usually for something someone else did.Roger said:
Thanks. I just have a loathing of forms and they seem to be on the up.Animal_pb said:
I Am Not A Financial Advisor.Roger said:Animal
You seem to know what you are talking about. Is it crap?
"I am writing to you as you currently hold a number of US stocks within the Portfolio we manage on your behalf. As you are aware from previous correspondence, we are moving the custody of investments to SEI on 28 April 2017. As they are a replacement custodian the US Internal Revenue Service (‘IRS’) rules insist that a new W8 form is completed.
By way of a reminder, the purpose of this form is to permit the payment of 15% withholding tax, instead of the usual 30% for income arising from your US stocks and due to the above transfer date, I need to ask you to return this form to our London office no later than Friday 21 April. This will then able us to make sure you pay the correct level of tax".
However, they are right about the withholding tax aspect, if your investment portfolio is such that you fall under the FATCA regime. Personally, in your position I'd talk to my financial advisor about how to structure my investment holdings to avoid this exposure. It's perfectly possible to own US investments through custodial arrangements that leave the filing responsibilities with the investment managers.0 -
Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....Beverley_C said:Lighting the blue touch paper.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.htmlThe Independent said:The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.0 -
I thought THE Churchill was Winston Spencer Churchill, but on looking at Wikipedia it seems he was Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill.RobD said:
To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?
The Gorton one was his grandson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill_(1940–2010)0 -
I suspect it's simply because whoever edited the page was lazy :-)RobD said:
The name of the page being linked to doesn't have to match exactly the text being used for the link, so I don't think that is it.rcs1000 said:
Presumably because it's from Wikipedia, and that needs to differentiate "S" from another Winston.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?0 -
The candidate clearly wouldn't want to be confused with someone responsible for the use of chemicals weapons against the citizens of Iraq.RobD said:
To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?0 -
I was over there (Gorton) a few weeks back. I cannot believe it will vote anything other than Labour. Some parts are nicer than others, some parts are awful.Sean_F said:Manchester Gorton (like most of Manchester City) was very different then. It had a much bigger Conservative-supporting middle class.
It did not strike me as Tory territory.0 -
The real one had died a few years before..logical_song said:
I thought THE Churchill was Winston Spencer Churchill, but on looking at Wikipedia it seems he was Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill.RobD said:
To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.peter_from_putney said:According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated.
Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?
The Gorton one was his grandson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill_(1940–2010)
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Inner south-east Manchester in the mid-to-late sixties was a different place to what it is now. There were many leafy middle-class areas (Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme) whose large houses have since been split up and multi-occupied; the student and Muslim vote in these areas has grown massively.
For the culturally interested, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’ by the Smiths gives a snapshot of Manchester Gorton in the late sixties and early seventies; a once-grand area on the slide.
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Both I believe.CarlottaVance said:
Or the state of the country?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.CarlottaVance said:
Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....
Did either candidate campaign on a pro-EEC platform?0 -
We will know soon enough.RobD said:
Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....Beverley_C said:Lighting the blue touch paper.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.htmlThe Independent said:The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.0 -
I do find it hard to imagine that we'd stay in the customs union though.Beverley_C said:
We will know soon enough.RobD said:
Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....Beverley_C said:Lighting the blue touch paper.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.htmlThe Independent said:The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.0 -
Betrayal!Beverley_C said:Lighting the blue touch paper.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.htmlThe Independent said:The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
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This one seems to be a UK diplomat. The 350m figure has been repurposed:RobD said:
Quoting EU diplomats. Salt on standby....Beverley_C said:Lighting the blue touch paper.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-leave-eu-threat-no-deal-diplomats-uk-prime-minister-economic-damage-a7653296.htmlThe Independent said:The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
The number of customs checks on goods would soar from 17m each year to 350m, he pointed out.0 -
Whereas the previous MP represented a pro-USSR platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konni_ZilliacusTheScreamingEagles said:
Both I believe.CarlottaVance said:
Or the state of the country?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.CarlottaVance said:
Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?CarlottaVance said:For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....
Did either candidate campaign on a pro-EEC platform?0
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