The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.
Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to it
Why do you feel the need to reinforce an already very dominant stereotype that all Remainers are condescending metropolitan snobs who know and care nothing for much of the country? Do you secretly want to be governed by a populist right wing government for the next 20 years? It's all very well saying "it's just my sense of humour" but, for example, you would find an equivalent joke playing on racial stereotypes beyond the pale.
Though it's a joke I am seethingly angry with the people who put us in this state. I don't go along with the idea that you have to be nice towards people who you believe to be mean spirited which is how I see Brexiteers. I personally know very few and in the same way that I don't find 'metropolitan elite' offensive (I know what they mean) they shouldn't find 'small minded mean spirited nationalists' offensive. What part could you argue with?.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
The Morris Dancer Party has a simple and straightforward approach to resolve the customs union matter.
As ever in British history, the correct answer is to invade France. The day after, following the surrender, we shall begin the conquest of the rest of Europe. Once this is complete, there will be no need for customs checks within our domains.
According to your table, Winston S Churchill was actually 578 votes short of winning and not 557 as stated. Btw why has Winston Churchill's middle initial been included and not those of the other candidates?
To differentiate from *the* Winston Churchill I suspect.
The natural law party candidate for Glasgow Maryhill in 1997 massively outperformed any other natural law party candidate in Glasgow with literally hundreds of votes.
Inner south-east Manchester in the mid-to-late sixties was a different place to what it is now. There were many leafy middle-class areas (Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme) whose large houses have since been split up and multi-occupied; the student and Muslim vote in these areas has grown massively. For the culturally interested, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’ by the Smiths gives a snapshot of Manchester Gorton in the late sixties and early seventies; a once-grand area on the slide.
There is presumably an equivalent gentrifying effect elsewhere, where other suburbs or small towns have become more middle-class (though not necessarily more Tory)?
Transitional appears to be the key word. A period to permit reorganisation and implementation. A year, maybe two, synching with key dates in 2019 and 2020.
Manchester Gorton (like most of Manchester City) was very different then. It had a much bigger Conservative-supporting middle class.
The political geography has changed. There are very few urban inner city areas today, in England and Wales, where the Tories are competitive excepting places like the City of London.
Some of that is due to social stratification - those same Conservative-supporters moving to the outer suburbs, home counties, and the new towns - and some is due to values shifts.
Generally, Tory support is more working class today than it used to be, and being middle-class and homeowning is no longer a reliable predictor of Tory support, as it was in the 60s.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
To be fair if May's plan is to string along hard Brexiters for long enough that UKIP collapses as an electoral force for them to desert to before delivering soft Brexit that kills SNP Indy plans then delivers a monster majority Vs Corbyn Labour then she is a political genius.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Alistair, a Natural Law party political is the first one I can remember (probably 1992). It featured yogic flying.
Due to no one keeping a comprehensive online list of natural law party election results (shockingly) i can't easily check but i think she may have been the best performing NLP candidate nationally as well.
Minor betting post - For those who bet on German elections, the first post-Saarland poll in Germany shows no significant impact - CDU and SPD still tied nationally:
"Though it's a joke I am seethingly angry with the people who put us in this state. I don't go along with the idea that you have to be nice towards people who you believe to be mean spirited which is how I see Brexiteers. I personally know very few and in the same way that I don't find 'metropolitan elite' offensive (I know what they mean) they shouldn't find 'small minded mean spirited nationalists' offensive. What part could you argue with?"
It's a big mistake to tar everyone with the same brush. Many of those who voted Brexit do not fit your stereotype of hardline thick racists, in fact many may not have been all that bothered about the issue but simply made a choice between the two campaigns without thinking too much about it. Most Leave voters I know personally are kind, comfortably off and retired. Also do not tar whole towns with the same brush, even in places like Hartlepool and Clacton at least 30% voted to Remain. I imagine that minority do not like people such as yourself labelling residents of their town as ignorant thickos.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
Inner south-east Manchester in the mid-to-late sixties was a different place to what it is now. There were many leafy middle-class areas (Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme) whose large houses have since been split up and multi-occupied; the student and Muslim vote in these areas has grown massively. For the culturally interested, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’ by the Smiths gives a snapshot of Manchester Gorton in the late sixties and early seventies; a once-grand area on the slide.
There is presumably an equivalent gentrifying effect elsewhere, where other suburbs or small towns have become more middle-class (though not necessarily more Tory)?
Yes, there was a lot of middle-class flight from inner Manchester, generally to new developments which simply didn't exist back then - the population of suburbs like Cheadle Hulme and Heald Green grew dramatically as the middle classes moved out of Manchester. The Tory vote of the southern fringes of GM grew correspondingly - these were fairly Tory areas to begin with, but supplied fewer seats. In terms of becoming more Tory, it's difficult to point to any examples in Greater Manchester: perhaps if you look at the Lancashire coalfield towns like Leigh, Astley and Boothstown they are a lot less Labour now than they were then. Better examples are in Cheshire - working class towns like Crewe, Nothwich and Winsford have become more Conservative without necessarily becoming any more middle class.
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
Yes, there was a lot of middle-class flight from inner Manchester, generally to new developments which simply didn't exist back then - the population of suburbs like Cheadle Hulme and Heald Green grew dramatically as the middle classes moved out of Manchester. The Tory vote of the southern fringes of GM grew correspondingly - these were fairly Tory areas to begin with, but supplied fewer seats. In terms of becoming more Tory, it's difficult to point to any examples in Greater Manchester: perhaps if you look at the Lancashire coalfield towns like Leigh, Astley and Boothstown they are a lot less Labour now than they were then. Better examples are in Cheshire - working class towns like Crewe, Nothwich and Winsford have become more Conservative without necessarily becoming any more middle class.
Trafford is a good example. Inside the M60, it is solid labour, cross the M60 and it starts to get more tory and after a few miles further south you run into some Lib Dem territory (Village ward/Timperley) and then south of Broadheath it is Tory.
The Government now realises the hardline stance went too far by bolstering the confidence of Brexit supporters with the “intention of creating chaos”, they say.
In private, British officials are ready to discuss the UK remaining in the EU’s customs union as part of a transitional arrangement, one told the BBC.
In the unlikely event that there is a coherent Brexit strategy, and this is it, it'd be entertaining seeing all the reverse ferreting Tessyphiles informing everyone this was what was intended all along.
In any case, the guard dogs will be keeping Tessy right.
Clearly, Middlesbrough is a small town in Yorkshire!
One doesn't need to argue it from lieutenancies, but Yorkshire is a good example of a geographically-based identity that has for a time not corresponded exactly with local government areas. Hull was in Yorkshire even during the period of existence of the entity known as "Humberside". John Major made a similar point about Middlesex, which has existed for more than a thousand years and cannot be legislated out of existence. So regardless of what has been posited by at least one person here, Britain is a country and its character as such does not depend on when the UKoGB or the UKoGB&I or the UKoGB&NI were founded. Show me a person who says "If it's a country, tell me the date when it was founded", and I will show you someone who doesn't get the difference between a country and a political regime.
Tip on arguing with such a person: ask them when New Zealand became independent
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
It is indeed implied by "no deal is better than a bad deal", and that is still the position as far as I can see. And very sensible too. Both sides can obviously improve on that, and that is where the talks will go if they are conducted rationally.
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
It is indeed implied by "no deal is better than a bad deal", and that is still the position as far as I can see. And very sensible too. Both sides can obviously improve on that, and that is where the talks will go if they are conducted rationally.
But "no deal is better than a bad deal" is a fiction. The question is whether it is rational for either side to pretend that it isn't.
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
It has been strongly articulated by Barnier and a growing number of EU states that a deal needs to be done.
It seems more like people realising that they are best served by being sensible and constructive.
The models for the deal all exist. It's just a case of plumping for the ones that meet both sides political and social requirements whilst minimising the economic impact.
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.
Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to it
Why do you feel the need to reinforce an already very dominant stereotype that all Remainers are condescending metropolitan snobs who know and care nothing for much of the country? Do you secretly want to be governed by a populist right wing government for the next 20 years? It's all very well saying "it's just my sense of humour" but, for example, you would find an equivalent joke playing on racial stereotypes beyond the pale.
Though it's a joke I am seethingly angry with the people who put us in this state. I don't go along with the idea that you have to be nice towards people who you believe to be mean spirited which is how I see Brexiteers. I personally know very few and in the same way that I don't find 'metropolitan elite' offensive (I know what they mean) they shouldn't find 'small minded mean spirited nationalists' offensive. What part could you argue with?.
If you knew some you might hold fewer prejudices toward them.
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
It is indeed implied by "no deal is better than a bad deal", and that is still the position as far as I can see. And very sensible too. Both sides can obviously improve on that, and that is where the talks will go if they are conducted rationally.
But "no deal is better than a bad deal" is a fiction. The question is whether it is rational for either side to pretend that it isn't.
Says who? If the bad deal involved the UK forking over £100bn/year, would that be better than no deal?
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
It is indeed implied by "no deal is better than a bad deal", and that is still the position as far as I can see. And very sensible too. Both sides can obviously improve on that, and that is where the talks will go if they are conducted rationally.
But "no deal is better than a bad deal" is a fiction. The question is whether it is rational for either side to pretend that it isn't.
It is a fiction because no negotiation will end up with a bad deal, but it is nevertheless a good starting point. If they were to start from the other end – i.e. beginning where we are now and unravelling the tangled skein of laws, regulations and directives they will get nowhere fast. They have to start with high principles and build up from there.
Inner south-east Manchester in the mid-to-late sixties was a different place to what it is now. There were many leafy middle-class areas (Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme) whose large houses have since been split up and multi-occupied; the student and Muslim vote in these areas has grown massively. For the culturally interested, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’ by the Smiths gives a snapshot of Manchester Gorton in the late sixties and early seventies; a once-grand area on the slide.
There is presumably an equivalent gentrifying effect elsewhere, where other suburbs or small towns have become more middle-class (though not necessarily more Tory)?
Yes, there was a lot of middle-class flight from inner Manchester, generally to new developments which simply didn't exist back then - the population of suburbs like Cheadle Hulme and Heald Green grew dramatically as the middle classes moved out of Manchester. The Tory vote of the southern fringes of GM grew correspondingly - these were fairly Tory areas to begin with, but supplied fewer seats. In terms of becoming more Tory, it's difficult to point to any examples in Greater Manchester: perhaps if you look at the Lancashire coalfield towns like Leigh, Astley and Boothstown they are a lot less Labour now than they were then. Better examples are in Cheshire - working class towns like Crewe, Nothwich and Winsford have become more Conservative without necessarily becoming any more middle class.
Up to the 1960s, most middle-class voters would not have been trade union members, but would be home-owning, or aspiring to home ownership, and that would have made them strongly anti-socialist. Labour would be focussed on workers rights for their members, and wage and price controls, not interest rates. A minority would have been Liberal.
Social values would have tended socially conservative as well - patriotic, and family centred - but since the 1960s, the expansion of higher education and the unionised public sector, as well as broader social change, Labour has become much more friendly and less threatening to the middle class. It has also taken on causes like gender equality in the boardroom.
The professional middle class have become much more interested in globalisation, internationalism and free movement for them (because it benefits them economically) more embarrassed by our historical past, and far more detached from socially conservative values of nation, religion and family.
The UK side in the Brexit talks should declare at the outset that base zero is a clean break and adoption of WTO rules. This after all is the plainest implication of the referendum result. Any agreements beyond that will be a positive gain for both sides, and strong incentives would thereby be established for both sides to play the resulting positive sum game cooperatively.
In case you hadn't noticed that was precisely what Theresa May tried to do with her Lancaster House speech. That position has already broken down before negotiations start.
It is indeed implied by "no deal is better than a bad deal", and that is still the position as far as I can see. And very sensible too. Both sides can obviously improve on that, and that is where the talks will go if they are conducted rationally.
But "no deal is better than a bad deal" is a fiction. The question is whether it is rational for either side to pretend that it isn't.
It is a fiction because no negotiation will end up with a bad deal, but it is nevertheless a good starting point. If they were to start from the other end – i.e. beginning where we are now and unravelling the tangled skein of laws, regulations and directives they will get nowhere fast. They have to start with high principles and build up from there.
It's all very well in theory to say that we should pretend we're starting from scratch, but as soon as you get into the tiniest detail it's impossible to ignore the existing tangled web.
In practice the deal can only be a decremental variation on what we have now, and the side which will have to make concessions to make it work is the UK.
Let us not forget the exact words he said in the interview:
"Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism – this before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."
In Ken's refutation he states:
"I did not say or suggest that Hitler was a Zionist. I did not make any equation of Hitler and Zionism."
Mr. Rentool, careful. Maybe I'll pay you with fakes (one I've got is a fake £1 coin. Superficially convincing but the lettering on the side is the wrong way up).
Mr Daisley certainly gets around - the full quote which you've precised above speaks volumes about your chap:
"For lapsed Catholics, nationalism fills a void once nourished by spirituality, and redemption comes through sovereignty, not salvation. Francis may be the Pope but only Nicola is infallible."
The most noticable difference the early days of Brexit will make is the complexity of the forms we will have to fill in. This morning I received something which is known as a W-8BEN-E which I understand relates to a small investment I have in the US. It is 10 pages long and a flavour can be seen from question 1 under the title 'status'.
"Are you a non participating FFI including a limited FFI or an FFI related to a reporting IGA FFI other than a deemed compliant FFI participating FFI or exempt beneficial owner?"
Imagine the 'Leavers' of Clackton Hartlipool and Stoke who require aids such as 'open other end' on the bottom of milk-bottles grappling with FORMS like this?
Because once we are on our own this is going to be the norm. Years of non bureaucratic existance will be over. It'll be like dealing with the US every day
As a staunch Remainer, may I say that this kind of condescending snobbery infuriates me. I cannot see how anyone could see it as anything other than totally counter-productive. It is one of the key reasons why we lost the referendum and have remained on the back foot ever since. Making fun of Leavers' supposed lack of intelligence whilst not even bothering to spell the towns correctly is rather ironic to say the least.
Just my sense of humour. You don't have to get used to it
Why do you feel the need to reinforce an already very dominant stereotype that all Remainers are condescending metropolitan snobs who know and care nothing for much of the country? Do you secretly want to be governed by a populist right wing government for the next 20 years? It's all very well saying "it's just my sense of humour" but, for example, you would find an equivalent joke playing on racial stereotypes beyond the pale.
Though it's a joke I am seethingly angry with the people who put us in this state. I don't go along with the idea that you have to be nice towards people who you believe to be mean spirited which is how I see Brexiteers. I personally know very few and in the same way that I don't find 'metropolitan elite' offensive (I know what they mean) they shouldn't find 'small minded mean spirited nationalists' offensive. What part could you argue with?.
If you knew some you might hold fewer prejudices toward them.
I'm sure he knows loads who voted to to leave, but they're not going public about it.
It is for the execrable 38 Degrees as well. But I think the numbers pass the smell test: I think the key finding is that current Tory voters split 37-51 against Osborne taking the job.
It is for the execrable 38 Degrees as well. But I think the numbers pass the smell test: I think the key finding is that current Tory voters split 37-51 against Osborne taking the job.
It is for the execrable 38 Degrees as well. But I think the numbers pass the smell test: I think the key finding is that current Tory voters split 37-51 against Osborne taking the job.
Mr. Rentool, careful. Maybe I'll pay you with fakes (one I've got is a fake £1 coin. Superficially convincing but the lettering on the side is the wrong way up).
iirc the lettering can be the wrong way up on the side on a real coin. It is random.
Manchester Gorton was a totally different seat in 1967, far fewer students and with a much lower Muslim population, at the last general election the Tories got just 9.7% when they got 37% nationwide, it is one of the worst seats in the country for a Tory candidate
The thruppeny bit gets re-introduced today, inflation adjustment makes it worth £1
I never liked the original. The sixpence was my favourite. Small, shiny, beautiful and worth twice as much
The sixpence however lacked the rhyming-slang qualities of thruppeny bits...
I’ve got sixpence/Jolly jolly sixpence/I’ve got sixpence to last me all my life/I’ve tuppence to lend and tuppence to spend and tuppence to send home to my wife!
It is for the execrable 38 Degrees as well. But I think the numbers pass the smell test: I think the key finding is that current Tory voters split 37-51 against Osborne taking the job.
Tories and Labour both down 1 on 2015 smells the sniff test? Seems odd to me that May's Tories and Corbyn's Labour have the same UNS.
For reasons which escape me, TSE omits to mention the name of the Conservative candidate who nearly took the seat.......Winston Churchill.....
An innocent oversight, no doubt....
Edit - apologies -,missed the table on vanilla - but perhaps the name of the candidate had more to do with his success than the pro-EU views of the Tory leader?
Oh my.
In the same month there was another by election where the Tory candidate saw his share of the vote go up by 7.1% compared to Winston S Churchill's piddling 4.6% increase.
The other Tory candidate didn't have a name as illustrious as Churchill. Ergo we can infer the boost was down to Heath's Pro-EC views.
Heath had the same views the year before when Wilson trounced him in the general election of 1966
Talking of coinage the old seven sided threepence would be worth about 21p today. Prto-rata the old halfpenny demonetised almost 50 years ago in 1968 would be worth 3.5p yet we still use 1p and 2p coins with even less purchasing power. Time to ditch brown money!
It is for the execrable 38 Degrees as well. But I think the numbers pass the smell test: I think the key finding is that current Tory voters split 37-51 against Osborne taking the job.
Tories and Labour both down 1 on 2015 smells the sniff test? Seems odd to me that May's Tories and Corbyn's Labour have the same UNS.
I think in the context of the Osborne news it does. Doubtless the Tories would be up otherwise
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
Err, tariffs are imposed by the importing country!
True, there is a case for the UK declaring unilateral free trade (i.e. not imposing any tariffs on any imports whatsoever) but I suspect very difficult to do politically.
And if the Europeans turn round and say "thanks very much for not putting tariffs on our goods, but we'll be slapping 25% tariffs on you"?
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One of your better posts
As ever in British history, the correct answer is to invade France. The day after, following the surrender, we shall begin the conquest of the rest of Europe. Once this is complete, there will be no need for customs checks within our domains.
Her surname was Blair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill
Edited extra bit: Mr. Alistair, a Natural Law party political is the first one I can remember (probably 1992). It featured yogic flying.
There is a paper on Open Europe regarding this.
Some of that is due to social stratification - those same Conservative-supporters moving to the outer suburbs, home counties, and the new towns - and some is due to values shifts.
Generally, Tory support is more working class today than it used to be, and being middle-class and homeowning is no longer a reliable predictor of Tory support, as it was in the 60s.
https://order-order.com/2017/03/28/ken-nazi-policy-had-effect-of-supporting-zionism/
Having said that, it is a little appreciated fact that whilst we are "Great Britain", "Little Britain" (Britannia Minor???) is actually Brittany
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Health warning: it's INSA, which tends to show CDU lower and AfD higher than everyone else.
"Though it's a joke I am seethingly angry with the people who put us in this state. I don't go along with the idea that you have to be nice towards people who you believe to be mean spirited which is how I see Brexiteers. I personally know very few and in the same way that I don't find 'metropolitan elite' offensive (I know what they mean) they shouldn't find 'small minded mean spirited nationalists' offensive. What part could you argue with?"
It's a big mistake to tar everyone with the same brush. Many of those who voted Brexit do not fit your stereotype of hardline thick racists, in fact many may not have been all that bothered about the issue but simply made a choice between the two campaigns without thinking too much about it. Most Leave voters I know personally are kind, comfortably off and retired. Also do not tar whole towns with the same brush, even in places like Hartlepool and Clacton at least 30% voted to Remain. I imagine that minority do not like people such as yourself labelling residents of their town as ignorant thickos.
Mrs C, yes, at arm's length. Firearms and trebuchets. I must admit, I did already know about Little Britain.
Mr. Urquhart, Ken Livingstone mentions Hitler as much as Vettel mentioned blue flags in 2016.
Mr. C, newcomers will be delighted at the increased front end grip enjoyed by this year's F1 cars.
In terms of becoming more Tory, it's difficult to point to any examples in Greater Manchester: perhaps if you look at the Lancashire coalfield towns like Leigh, Astley and Boothstown they are a lot less Labour now than they were then. Better examples are in Cheshire - working class towns like Crewe, Nothwich and Winsford have become more Conservative without necessarily becoming any more middle class.
Nuttall's would be the yappiest, most pointless one of course.
I won the greyhound derby, me, I was Lassie's stunt double, me, I found the FA cup, me, etc.
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/846671221693595648
Tip on arguing with such a person: ask them when New Zealand became independent
Mutton. Dressed up. Lamb.
It seems more like people realising that they are best served by being sensible and constructive.
The models for the deal all exist. It's just a case of plumping for the ones that meet both sides political and social requirements whilst minimising the economic impact.
More like No 10 couldn't give a toss!
Social values would have tended socially conservative as well - patriotic, and family centred - but since the 1960s, the expansion of higher education and the unionised public sector, as well as broader social change, Labour has become much more friendly and less threatening to the middle class. It has also taken on causes like gender equality in the boardroom.
The professional middle class have become much more interested in globalisation, internationalism and free movement for them (because it benefits them economically) more embarrassed by our historical past, and far more detached from socially conservative values of nation, religion and family.
For some lapsed Catholics, nationalism fills a void where spirituality once dwelt
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/march-24th-2017/scotlands-messianic-age
https://twitter.com/ScotlandshireGB/status/846321504048627714
In practice the deal can only be a decremental variation on what we have now, and the side which will have to make concessions to make it work is the UK.
I never liked the original. The sixpence was my favourite. Small, shiny, beautiful and worth twice as much
I used to collect coins. Keeping quite a few of the 'old' £1 coins, for the rarer designs.
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/846676856250286080
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/846678280027750402
"Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism – this before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."
In Ken's refutation he states:
"I did not say or suggest that Hitler was a Zionist. I did not make any equation of Hitler and Zionism."
I'll leave the jury to decide.
We start from here on the day Brexit. We then start selling Scotch whisky to India and China at zero % tariff.
If any protectionist trade cartels - e.g. the EU - slap tariffs on the Uk then we can retaliate after the event - perhaps with a month or so grace.
We dare them to veer to protectionism - then hit them back if they do.
"For lapsed Catholics, nationalism fills a void once nourished by spirituality, and redemption comes through sovereignty, not salvation. Francis may be the Pope but only Nicola is infallible."
Another police force has sent a file on alleged Tory election fraud to prosecutors, it was revealed today.
The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed that it had received a file from West Midlands Police - the 13th police to do so in recent weeks.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/west-midlands-police-become-13th-10111188
Reminds me why I'm proud to be a Tory!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/self-employed/millions-will-have-file-five-tax-returns-per-year/
I'd love to bill my clients in guineas.
Survation Tatton poll has "3 jobs Osbo" holding on with 41% margin
CON 58 (-1)
LAB 17 (-1)
LD 12 (+3)
UKIP 9 (-2)
Except there will be no seat after boundary changes iirc.
Let's see who's for free trade and who isn't.