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edited March 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » For first time since being sacked after getting GE2005 spot on NOP (now GfK) is back doing UK political polls

One of the great jokes whenever people interested in polling have met in recent years is that is the person from NOP (now GfK) popping up to remind to remind us that the firm in its last published political poll got the outcome of the 2005 general election absolutely right.

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  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited March 2017
    First, in the next referendum
  • Are we allowed to know who has commissioned this work? Is it the Indie again?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958
    Welcome back to NOP / GfK

    We need more polling! Who can forget the wonders of the daily polls in the run-up to the 2015 GE? ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Always good to have more pollsters!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    5th like Labour in 2020...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    and "precisely 10 p.m."?

    Well, now we know that TSE isn't in charge of PB for the night shift! :D
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    edited March 2017

    Welcome back to NOP / GfK

    We need more polling! Who can forget the wonders of the daily polls in the run-up to the 2015 GE? ;)

    NOP hasn't done a poll in so long that it hasn't had the Smiling Gordons treatment here on PB!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    The research director in charge is Keiran Pedley who is very well known to PBers for his regular posts and of course his weekly podcast which are now an integral and very popular feature of the site.

    Congratulations to Kieran - so we can be confident of sound analysis as well as robust data.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    FPT - great to see Peter the Punter posting again.
  • Can we look forward to the return of Gabble and his 'Sleazy broken Tories on the slide' comment the moment the thread went live.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    That case about the "professional" cricketer who beat up his wife just got weirder...

    His defence solicitor claimed that he would join former county champions Leicestershire as a professional player after being offered a contract just before his arrest, on the condition that he was not jailed. However, the club deny having any links to him, saying today they were 'bemused' by the claims.

    Appears to be a violent Walter Mitty Paul Nuttall.
  • Off topic, but Sky News are doing some excellent reporting from Mosul today. Alex Crawford and Stuart Ramsey are really up close to the fighting, and have had a few near misses, all caught on camera, and they even have ISIS drone footage of a particularly close shave for Ramsey..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Welcome back NOP/GfK.

    Probably the last time I post this, but my post-race analysis is here:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/australia-post-race-analysis-2017.html

    Strongest starting weekend for a long time, perhaps ever and the first time I was green at the first race since 2013, so pretty happy (but aware 2013 turned red overall).

    And Mr. M picked out Raikkonen for fastest lap at pleasing orders.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Stopper, Crawford and Ramsey really do earn their money.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    TOPPING said:

    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?

    The greatest joke on pb.com is the Brummie job interview.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549

    TOPPING said:

    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?

    The greatest joke on pb.com is the Brummie job interview.
    Not the Montie Hall Game....now known as the Scott P Invitational.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    "At 10pm we will see the first GFK poll in 12 years. The last one had: LAB 36: CON 33: LD 23.. Don’t be surprised if there is quite some change in the latest numbers."

    Arf! Be some SERIOUS questions asked of their methodology if not.....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    That case about the "professional" cricketer who beat up his wife just got weirder...

    His defence solicitor claimed that he would join former county champions Leicestershire as a professional player after being offered a contract just before his arrest, on the condition that he was not jailed. However, the club deny having any links to him, saying today they were 'bemused' by the claims.

    Appears to be a violent Walter Mitty Paul Nuttall.

    Did seem a bit odd for Leicestershire to be signing a 34 yr old club cricketer!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,990
    At 10pm we will see the first GFK poll in 12 years. The last one had: LAB 36: CON 33: LD 23.. Don’t be surprised if there is quite some change in the latest numbers.

    Very droll. Are we going to have the change figures published alongside? If so, it's not impossible that we could have a set of 10s: if it's 26/43/13, that'd be Lab -10, Con +10, LD -10
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    I know May has a lot on her plate but you would think Northern Ireland would be the priority this week and not Scotland which is not as immediate.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    The question is did he work with someone on the attack that just happened?
  • Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    The government were saying he was definitely a loner, and they might never find out his motivation at the weekend. i thought that was a bit premature, to be honest.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,062
    Afternoon all :)

    Lord help us, another afternoon of pointless nostalgia and remembering some catchphrase from someone who hasn't posted here for 5 years.

    A little more about GfK by the way:

    http://www.gfk.com/about-gfk/about-gfk/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264

    FPT - great to see Peter the Punter posting again.

    +1
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017

    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    The government were saying he was definitely a loner, and they might never find out his motivation at the weekend. i thought that was a bit premature, to be honest.
    I don't think you have to be a genius to work out motivation. Listen to the tales of his background and interactions with former neighbours it is pretty clear he has been a violent man, who failed in life and became a radical Islamist who tried to enforcing his views on family and neighbours who didn't subscribe to his view of the world.

    He didn't do what he did because he was angry at the lack of weekly bin collections in his neighbourhood.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Meeks, were they using the term before or after the civil servants briefed against their own government?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    More balanced arguments from the Remain campaign 8/2/16,

    "Thousands of refugees could flock to Britain from France if voters decide to leave the European Union, a spokesman for David Cameron said on Monday, underlining the prime minister's stance that an exit would hurt security.

    Earlier his spokesman said thousands of refugees could cross the Channel into England "overnight" if Britain voted to leave the European Union at a referendum, which could take place as early as in June."

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-cameron-idUKKCN0VH156

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,373

    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    The government were saying he was definitely a loner, and they might never find out his motivation at the weekend. i thought that was a bit premature, to be honest.
    I don't think you have to be a genius to work out motivation. Listen to the tales of his background and interactions with former neighbours it is pretty clear he has been a violent man, failed in life and become a radical Islamist who was not afraid of enforcing his views on family and neighbours who don't subscribe to his view of the world.
    Thought you were talking about the cricket guy for a mo'..
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Did someone say Peter the Punter is posting again?

    That oul chancer once thought Mike Pence was a long range bet for President. Outrageous.

    Oh, wait a second...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Just had my first leaflet for the May elections - in addition to classic odd proportions for the bar chart (second place is a centimeter behind first place, despite being 32 seats less), the overall seat numbers don't match with the last election. In a first for me, the arrow pointing at 'cannot win here' is pointed at the Independent bar, since Lab are behind them and don't merit an arrow I guess.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    kle4 said:

    Just had my first leaflet for the May elections - in addition to classic odd proportions for the bar chart (second place is a centimeter behind first place, despite being 32 seats less), the overall seat numbers don't match with the last election. In a first for me, the arrow pointing at 'cannot win here' is pointed at the Independent bar, since Lab are behind them and don't merit an arrow I guess.

    By-elections? Do you not visit PB on a Thursday? :p
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    TOPPING said:

    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?

    The greatest joke on pb.com is the Brummie job interview.
    Is that the:-

    "What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison?"

    "Can't wash you hands in a buffalo".

  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    How does that make you feel Alastair?

    On a more serious note, much (if not most) of the empire was a burden, economically and militarily. Our trade with Germany, France, South America and China were often more important.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Just had my first leaflet for the May elections - in addition to classic odd proportions for the bar chart (second place is a centimeter behind first place, despite being 32 seats less), the overall seat numbers don't match with the last election. In a first for me, the arrow pointing at 'cannot win here' is pointed at the Independent bar, since Lab are behind them and don't merit an arrow I guess.

    By-elections? Do you not visit PB on a Thursday? :p
    The Indy number is the one that is wrong (down 1 from 2013), as it has not gone down since 2013, only up due to defections (the only loss from a by-election due to death was after it had already gone up several times, so still higher than in 2013. I wouldn't make such an amateur error, sir!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    Y0kel said:

    Did someone say Peter the Punter is posting again?

    That oul chancer once thought Mike Pence was a long range bet for President. Outrageous.

    Oh, wait a second...

    You happy that Pence is untainted?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited March 2017
    Has Mustafa Bashir perjured himself? Is the trial judge about have an interview without biscuits or coffee?

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/41996.html
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,990

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Coffee machines aren't exactly new? I suspect that the main reason that Starbucks, Costa and so have real people serving is not because it's cheaper to do so but because they add to the ambience which otherwise would feel like a canteen, and hence they can charge £3 for a cup.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    There is little she can do on NI other than go direct rule and let the politicians float. Gerry adams with the field now clear of Marty mcguinness is going down the spoiler line. There was no chance he would lead his party back in. It's not in his immediate plans and this was well flagged. The government knew it.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Ooh, the leaflet has unattributed quotes from local residents too, lovely!
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    The distinction of NOP being "absolutely right" with its final 2005GE poll is, of course, entirely down to chance given the margin of error you would expect even for a poll with a perfectly random sample... but the return of any pollster has to be good news. It's not like they've ever lead us astray before!
  • welshowl said:

    TOPPING said:

    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?

    The greatest joke on pb.com is the Brummie job interview.
    Is that the:-

    "What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison?"

    "Can't wash you hands in a buffalo".

    (Surely it must be the "kipper tie" joke!)
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,990
    welshowl said:

    TOPPING said:

    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?

    The greatest joke on pb.com is the Brummie job interview.
    Is that the:-

    "What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison?"

    "Can't wash you hands in a buffalo".

    No, I believe it's the one that references a piece of 1970s neck attire?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    welshowl said:

    TOPPING said:

    No offence and I know I'm on PB, an' all, but "one of the great jokes."

    Really?

    The greatest joke on pb.com is the Brummie job interview.
    Is that the:-

    "What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison?"

    "Can't wash you hands in a buffalo".

    (Surely it must be the "kipper tie" joke!)
    or the bloke that reckoned he'd fished an old rusty whale out of the canal.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Robotic car serves up a crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Hopefully not coming to a post Brexit Britain ... ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    RoyalBlue said:

    How does that make you feel Alastair?

    On a more serious note, much (if not most) of the empire was a burden, economically and militarily. Our trade with Germany, France, South America and China were often more important.
    Since I was already of the opinion that the diehard Leaver ministers are M&S hand-picked free range organic fruitloops, it makes me feel that my opinions have been confirmed.
  • RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Just had my first leaflet for the May elections - in addition to classic odd proportions for the bar chart (second place is a centimeter behind first place, despite being 32 seats less), the overall seat numbers don't match with the last election. In a first for me, the arrow pointing at 'cannot win here' is pointed at the Independent bar, since Lab are behind them and don't merit an arrow I guess.

    By-elections? Do you not visit PB on a Thursday? :p
    Hertsmere BC have a by-election coming up in Oakmere Ward on the 4th May.
    I don't have a vote as I live across the road from the boundary in the badlands of Potters Bar Parkfield.
    However, the majority of my pub-going does take place in the ward.
    I will keep my ear to the ground but will expect a lot of blank expressions if I ask any of the locals about it.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958
    calum said:
    Good news, although the worry is always about how much it will cost to exploit the find.

    The comments below the line are rather fun!
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    There is little she can do on NI other than go direct rule and let the politicians float. Gerry adams with the field now clear of Marty mcguinness is going down the spoiler line. There was no chance he would lead his party back in. It's not in his immediate plans and this was well flagged. The government knew it.

    Thanks Yokel .So it looks like direct rule for a considerable period ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    F1: not a spread chap, but it perplexes me that, again, there's no points market but the rubbish rankings market is back up.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2017
    Great to see NOP back again. What happened to Gallup, Harris and Angus Reid?
  • As a follow up to our forthcoming by election.
    The Councillor who resigned was called Penny Swallow.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    calum said:
    Surprised the findings weren't suppressed by the UK government. :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    The cricket thing, you would have thought that the prosecution would have checked this.

    A club cricketer in his mid 30s whose official career stats is a massive total of a single first class game in Pakistan getting a contract with the country champions doesn't sound very likely to put it mildly.

    We aren't talking about Wasim Akram of Pakistani cricket here. There is more chance of Mrs May passing Labour's Brexit tests.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Yorkcity said:

    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    There is little she can do on NI other than go direct rule and let the politicians float. Gerry adams with the field now clear of Marty mcguinness is going down the spoiler line. There was no chance he would lead his party back in. It's not in his immediate plans and this was well flagged. The government knew it.

    Thanks Yokel .So it looks like direct rule for a considerable period ?
    Depressing if so, but it's not like another election would achieve anything it seems.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Just had my first leaflet for the May elections - in addition to classic odd proportions for the bar chart (second place is a centimeter behind first place, despite being 32 seats less), the overall seat numbers don't match with the last election. In a first for me, the arrow pointing at 'cannot win here' is pointed at the Independent bar, since Lab are behind them and don't merit an arrow I guess.

    By-elections? Do you not visit PB on a Thursday? :p
    The Indy number is the one that is wrong (down 1 from 2013), as it has not gone down since 2013, only up due to defections (the only loss from a by-election due to death was after it had already gone up several times, so still higher than in 2013. I wouldn't make such an amateur error, sir!
    I hope you'll seek to get the election annulled due to the inaccuracies on the leaflet!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    RobD said:

    calum said:
    Surprised the findings weren't suppressed by the UK government. :smiley:
    So the "secret oil fields" have been discovered?

    They'll find the Whisky Export Duty next.....
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Robotic car serves up a crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Hopefully not coming to a post Brexit Britain ... ;)
    As somebody who was woken up in the small hours this morning by two human driven cars colliding outside my house, I think the question is, assuming the car was in self-driving mode, would the accident have been more or less likely to occur with a human at the wheel?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Robotic car serves up a crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Hopefully not coming to a post Brexit Britain ... ;)
    As somebody who was woken up in the small hours this morning by two human driven cars colliding outside my house, I think the question is, assuming the car was in self-driving mode, would the accident have been more or less likely to occur with a human at the wheel?
    Actually I think a better statement is...will any robotic car ever make the same mistake again that caused their crash...highly unlikely....will humans make similar mistakes to those that caused the crash outside your house, definitely.

    When the robotic AI makes a mistake, all future AI will be programmed to ensure it isn't repeated. Humans can't transmit this information to all other humans.

    What is actually shows is Uber have been in too much of a rush to beat the others to market with their self driving car and we can see they are no where near ready.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    calum said:
    It's a very tight angle...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    calum said:
    I'll have to ask the Rt Hon A Carmichael whether this is Scotland, the UK or ORKNEY'S oil :D
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    edited March 2017
    May & Sturgeon meeting in a Glasgow hotel......so no flags......

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/846370981371367425
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    kle4 said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    So Adrian Ajao reportedly linked to al qaeda plot to bomb an army barracks. Still waiting for evidence the guy was a loner.

    There is little she can do on NI other than go direct rule and let the politicians float. Gerry adams with the field now clear of Marty mcguinness is going down the spoiler line. There was no chance he would lead his party back in. It's not in his immediate plans and this was well flagged. The government knew it.

    Thanks Yokel .So it looks like direct rule for a considerable period ?
    Depressing if so, but it's not like another election would achieve anything it seems.
    Very true , I suppose leaving the vacuum of direct rule will have problems Nothing to serious I hope.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    As a follow up to our forthcoming by election.
    The Councillor who resigned was called Penny Swallow.

    Is she a character in one of The Austin Powers films?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    Now we just need Harris and Gallup to come back and we'll be able to party like it's 1986! :smiley:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,373
    edited March 2017
    calum said:
    'But speaking earlier on Tuesday, the prime minister said leaving the European Union will be an opportunity to strengthen the ties between the nations of the United Kingdom.'

    Great crystal ball..
    but tbf Tessy will be saying the same thing Tue-Sun and back to Monday again.

    I see the unique BBC ordinance of no comments in Scotland on Scottish political stories still persists.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    edited March 2017
    calum said:
    ...and that will keep the planet moving for...oooh, ten days.....

    30km between accumulations is a fair old gap to say it is one field. Presumably the independent expert is happy with pressure and oil quality connectivity issues to confirm that. Of course, they could stick some wells between to take away any doubt, but have, er, budgetary constraints.....
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Robotic car serves up a crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Hopefully not coming to a post Brexit Britain ... ;)
    As somebody who was woken up in the small hours this morning by two human driven cars colliding outside my house, I think the question is, assuming the car was in self-driving mode, would the accident have been more or less likely to occur with a human at the wheel?
    Actually I think a better statement is...will any robotic car ever make the same mistake again that caused their crash...highly unlikely....will humans make similar mistakes to those that caused the crash outside your house, definitely.

    When the robotic AI makes a mistake, all future AI will be programmed to ensure it isn't repeated. Humans can't transmit this information to all other humans.

    What is actually shows is Uber have been in too much of a rush to beat the others to market with their self driving car and we can see they are no where near ready.
    Well, computers tend to find it hard to generalise, so it depends on how well they are programmed. Maybe they would never have that exact crash at that exact intersection with that exact other car...

    I've no doubt that, done properly, robocars alone would be safer than human driven cars, but I'm less convinced that robocars can mix with human driven cars on the road, or that the general public will be as understanding of robocars making mistakes as they are of people.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,410
    Neither a burden nor a bonanza. North Sea oil now literally is a "bonus".
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    Here's Nigel Farage, Ali Campbell and Piers Morgan putting the nation of their cornflakes at 8am this morning but leaving us all to ponder which one is the most odious character

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAR8nbyU9Aw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIxKONNzEA

    #Enjoy
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Robotic car serves up a crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Hopefully not coming to a post Brexit Britain ... ;)
    As somebody who was woken up in the small hours this morning by two human driven cars colliding outside my house, I think the question is, assuming the car was in self-driving mode, would the accident have been more or less likely to occur with a human at the wheel?
    Actually I think a better statement is...will any robotic car ever make the same mistake again that caused their crash...highly unlikely....will humans make similar mistakes to those that caused the crash outside your house, definitely.

    When the robotic AI makes a mistake, all future AI will be programmed to ensure it isn't repeated. Humans can't transmit this information to all other humans.

    What is actually shows is Uber have been in too much of a rush to beat the others to market with their self driving car and we can see they are no where near ready.
    Well, computers tend to find it hard to generalise, so it depends on how well they are programmed. Maybe they would never have that exact crash at that exact intersection with that exact other car...

    I've no doubt that, done properly, robocars alone would be safer than human driven cars, but I'm less convinced that robocars can mix with human driven cars on the road, or that the general public will be as understanding of robocars making mistakes as they are of people.
    I have to say I have always been of a similar-ish opinion. They are solving the wrong problem. Automating cars to drive on roads inhabited by human drivers is hugely problematic and inefficient.

    In comparison, automated cars linked together driving would be way way more efficient (and safer). Especially for Inner cities, small pods you get in, and which can efficient form "trains" of cars which split and combine as and when required is certainly within the reach of technology. Such as setup you could get way more pods / cars on the roads and speed up average journey times.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    Here's Nigel Farage, Ali Campbell and Piers Morgan putting the nation of their cornflakes at 8am this morning but leaving us all to ponder which one is the most odious character

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAR8nbyU9Aw

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIxKONNzEA

    #Enjoy

    Crickey...imagine getting stuck in a lift for a few hours with those 3.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Tory MP forgets to mention a house sale to HS2 company.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/846377101745967104
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    dr_spyn said:

    Tory MP forgets to mention a house sale to HS2 company.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/846377101745967104

    Easy thing to forget....kinda of like when going for a big job at the Bank of England and forgetting your brother works for a big city financial institution. Happens to the best of em.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958
    dr_spyn said:

    Tory MP forgets to mention a house sale to HS2 company.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/846377101745967104

    Could be problematic, especially if he commented on compensation amounts and applicability ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/846350748527083520
    Are they celebrating Professor Paul getting news that he will be awarded a nobel prize?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    F1: interesting rumour Alonso may quit F1 (or McLaren, at least) due to immense frustration.

    Who'd get the seat? Button probably doesn't want it. Hakkinen would be fun but that'd be a hell of a sabbatical.

    Giovinazzi impressed in his debut, but he's a Ferrari chap.

    Maldonado! It all makes perfect sense...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719
    Yorkcity said:

    I know May has a lot on her plate but you would think Northern Ireland would be the priority this week and not Scotland which is not as immediate.

    She ain't got a hope of fixing NI, they can only do that themselves and she is making a real hash of Scotland. She makes Maggie look sensible.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/846350748527083520
    Are they celebrating Professor Paul getting news that he will be awarded a nobel prize?

    Looks like Carswell was not invited to his own leaving do….!
  • dr_spyn said:

    As a follow up to our forthcoming by election.
    The Councillor who resigned was called Penny Swallow.

    Is she a character in one of The Austin Powers films?
    sorry, not having seen the film. I really have no idea.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958

    Robotic barista serves up coffee

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39406845

    Coming to a post Brexit Britain?

    Robotic car serves up a crash.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39397211

    Hopefully not coming to a post Brexit Britain ... ;)
    As somebody who was woken up in the small hours this morning by two human driven cars colliding outside my house, I think the question is, assuming the car was in self-driving mode, would the accident have been more or less likely to occur with a human at the wheel?
    Actually I think a better statement is...will any robotic car ever make the same mistake again that caused their crash...highly unlikely....will humans make similar mistakes to those that caused the crash outside your house, definitely.

    When the robotic AI makes a mistake, all future AI will be programmed to ensure it isn't repeated. Humans can't transmit this information to all other humans.

    What is actually shows is Uber have been in too much of a rush to beat the others to market with their self driving car and we can see they are no where near ready.
    "When the robotic AI makes a mistake, all future AI will be programmed to ensure it isn't repeated."

    And in the process, more edge and corner cases will be introduced, causing more potential conflicts, problems and testability issues.

    Agree at the rush Uber's been in, and would add their rather 'interesting' approach to regulation. If anything, the regulation side of automated cars is more interesting than the actual tech.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Jessop, indeed, though I'd be more concerned about hacking potential.

    I did say at the time of May's first Cabinet that Rudd had probably been made Home Secretary to make the PM look good...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's Nigel Farage, Ali Campbell and Piers Morgan putting the nation of their cornflakes at 8am this morning but leaving us all to ponder which one is the most odious character

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAR8nbyU9Aw

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIxKONNzEA

    #Enjoy

    Crickey...imagine getting stuck in a lift for a few hours with those 3.
    If there really was a God, (s)he would have organised a small meteor strike on that studio.....
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Especially for Inner cities, small pods you get in, and which can efficient form "trains" of cars which split and combine as and when required is certainly within the reach of technology. Such as setup you could get way more pods / cars on the roads and speed up average journey times.

    What, like one of these? They frequently join up and spilt depending on need.... (I am turning in to Sunil)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqmKbjACaw

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Great to see NOP back again. What happened to Gallup, Harris and Angus Reid?

    Pb rule 108b;

    We don't talk about Angus Reid.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958

    F1: interesting rumour Alonso may quit F1 (or McLaren, at least) due to immense frustration.

    Who'd get the seat? Button probably doesn't want it. Hakkinen would be fun but that'd be a hell of a sabbatical.

    Giovinazzi impressed in his debut, but he's a Ferrari chap.

    Maldonado! It all makes perfect sense...

    They need an experienced driver, but who'd want to drive that dog?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/846350748527083520
    Are they celebrating Professor Paul getting news that he will be awarded a nobel prize?

    Looks like Carswell was not invited to his own leaving do….!
    I hope that is British plonk they are drinking and not forrin muck :)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719
    edited March 2017
    get your teeshirts while you can boys and girls
    https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/846368855396114438
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549

    Especially for Inner cities, small pods you get in, and which can efficient form "trains" of cars which split and combine as and when required is certainly within the reach of technology. Such as setup you could get way more pods / cars on the roads and speed up average journey times.

    What, like one of these? They frequently join up and spilt depending on need.... (I am turning in to Sunil)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqmKbjACaw

    Min 8 onwards....

    https://www.ted.com/talks/wanis_kabbaj_what_a_driverless_world_could_look_like
  • https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/846350748527083520
    Are they celebrating Professor Paul getting news that he will be awarded a nobel prize?

    Or the Mercury music prize?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Jessop, first thing's first. They need an engine that:
    1) works
    2) is fast

    A problem with the Honda is that, as well as being 120-160bhp behind rivals, it's creating such vibrations that are actually breaking other parts of the car.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    GIN1138 said:

    Here's Nigel Farage, Ali Campbell and Piers Morgan putting the nation of their cornflakes at 8am this morning but leaving us all to ponder which one is the most odious character

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAR8nbyU9Aw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIxKONNzEA

    #Enjoy

    Campbell " When are you going to be held to account for the pack of lies you told ? "
    Lol.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958

    Mr. Jessop, indeed, though I'd be more concerned about hacking potential.

    I did say at the time of May's first Cabinet that Rudd had probably been made Home Secretary to make the PM look good...

    Hacking is a major issue; these cars are more connected than most people realise. This is because they aren't truly intelligent and rely on very detailed mapping (in fact, there might be more money to be made in the data side of automated cars than the cars themselves, which is one reason Google are interested).

    A story I've said before: twenty or so years ago, a major car manufacturer implemented test cars with a drive-by-wire system. Amongst other things, this had no mechanical connections between the steering wheel and the actual wheels (something that was mandatory at the time AIUI). They had one data bus for the whole car. Things were fine until someone changed the CD in the CD autochanger, at which point the bus became saturated with data and the steering would not operate for a few seconds ...

    In the same way they should have had a separate bus for critical systems, firewalled from non-critical systems such as entertainment, networked cars should have massive f'ing firewalls between the driving systems and the networks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's Nigel Farage, Ali Campbell and Piers Morgan putting the nation of their cornflakes at 8am this morning but leaving us all to ponder which one is the most odious character

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAR8nbyU9Aw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIxKONNzEA

    #Enjoy

    Campbell " When are you going to be held to account for the pack of lies you told ? "
    Lol.
    Was that directed at Nige or Piers? Or was he verbalizing his daily inner dialogue?
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