"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Unbelievable. Pret deserves to fold after Brexit with attitudes like that to staff.
I wonder if the Left will jump on this one?
The left has been deploring this for years. We used to have regular arguments on here about job seekers being forced to get "experience" by working for nothing at supermarkets etc. Lefties like me who thought it was outrageous were lambasted. How times change.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
Come now, Pret would never just do a cheese sandwich. They'd add a load of unnecessary leaves and crap, sprinkle walnuts on top, give it a Pret-entious name, and charge sick squid for it
On topic, and thank you for an excellent piece, David. Unlike domestic politics, where I almost always am in disagreement, it's hard to fault your reasoning.
The spectacular implosion of the centre-right has handed this to Macron, whether aided and abetted by our vote to leave the EU or the election of Donald Trump or not. I'm inclined to not - the French conservatives only have themselves to blame.
Had they dumped Fillon for Juppe when the scandal broke, it would have been far more effective and I suspect Juppe, for all he is an inspiring figure, would still have been able to coalesce the anti-Le Pen vote around him.
I suppose the main obstacle to Macron becomes Le Pen imploding and finishing third but even so Macron would presumably beat Fillon in the run off. I know little of Macron - given he's been derided as a pro-Euro Blairite centrist by some on here, he sounds very reasonable.
It will be fascinating to see the Merkel-Macron relationship and of course Merkel has her own electoral issues come the autumn.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
Come now, Pret would never just do a cheese sandwich. They'd add a load of unnecessary leaves and crap, sprinkle walnuts on top, give it a Pret-entious name, and charge sick squid for it
It's still a cheese sandwich, though! I might pay £3.50 for a nice baguette with some cheese and lettuce in it if I'm in a hurry and don't have time to look around, but any more and I'll go without, on principle. That's Pret's problem. It's working to relatively tight margins and so is relying on volume. A high staff turnover is a part of that. It keeps the wages bill low. Young Europeans are mostly the UK for a short period of time, so do not need pay rises or prospects. It's a totally different dynamic for UK staff. I think Pret will find it very difficult if immigration levels do decline.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
I don't recognise the feckless kids that Boris talks about. The kids I know want to earn. They like going out, having fun, buying clothes, going to gigs, the cinema and travelling. I don't know any 16-18 year olds in my social circle that's don't have part time jobs if in Sixth Form, or are not in actuall full time jobs or apprenticeships.
I agree that Pret might close branches once they have reached the limit for what they can wring out of a cheese sarnie. The service sector has been addicted to cheap labour for its entire existence hasn't it? People working full time for massive multinationals, but still having to claim benefits is something I'd like to see stopped. There isn't an easy, pain free answer, though.
French Trader Was Forced To Work 30 Hours A Week 25-01-08
FRIENDS of rogue trader Jerome Kerviel last night blamed his $7 billion losses on unbearable levels of stress brought on by a punishing 30 hour week.
Kerviel was known to start work as early as nine in the morning and still be at his desk at five or even five-thirty, often with just an hour and a half for lunch.
One colleague said: “He was, how you say, une workaholique.
“I have a family and a mistress so I would leave the office at around 2pm at the latest, if I wasn’t on strike.
“But Jerome was tied to that desk. One day I came back to the office at 3pm because I had forgotten my stupid little hat, and there he was, fast asleep on the photocopier.
“At first I assumed he had been having sex with it, but then I remembered he’d been working for almost six hours.”
As with most of the Daily Mash, it's about as funny as watching PMQs.
To nail this down, why do we deride the French for not wanting to work long hours ? There's nothing "good" or "macho" about a long hours culture. Organisations where the long hours culture proliferates are often rife with bullying and intimidation but, more important, if they can only get their work done by making employees work long hours, they aren't being very effective, efficient or well managed.
I'd like to work fewer hours for the same money - I expect most people would.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
Come now, Pret would never just do a cheese sandwich. They'd add a load of unnecessary leaves and crap, sprinkle walnuts on top, give it a Pret-entious name, and charge sick squid for it
It's still a cheese sandwich, though! I might pay £3.50 for a nice baguette with some cheese and lettuce in it if I'm in a hurry and don't have time to look around, but any more and I'll go without, on principle. That's Pret's problem. It's working to relatively tight margins and so is relying on volume. A high staff turnover is a part of that. It keeps the wages bill low. Young Europeans are mostly the UK for a short period of time, so do not need pay rises or prospects. It's a totally different dynamic for UK staff. I think Pret will find it very difficult if immigration levels do decline.
Then they have a crap business model and will need to change it. Any company which relies on cheap labour should think about finding a new business model sooner rather than later.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
I don't recognise the feckless kids that Boris talks about. The kids I know want to earn. They like going out, having fun, buying clothes, going to gigs, the cinema and travelling. I don't know any 16-18 year olds in my social circle that's don't have part time jobs if in Sixth Form, or are not in actuall full time jobs or apprenticeships.
I agree that Pret might close branches once they have reached the limit for what they can wring out of a cheese sarnie. The service sector has been addicted to cheap labour for its entire existence hasn't it? People working full time for massive multinationals, but still having to claim benefits is something I'd like to see stopped. There isn't an easy, pain free answer, though.
It used to be convenient to the right to lambast feckless young people who expected the world to give them a living. I am with you, though: I never came across any.
Wealth redistribution - whether directly or through public services - will continue to have a major part to play in keeping society functioning. I can't see any other solution.
I recall Mrs JackW endured a Pret moment. Tis an experience she will not repeat or would the manager of said establishment likely forget her tumultuous tirade against the offending article.
BREAKING NEWS: Tourists flee in terror as Las Vegas casino the Bellagio is locked down amid reports of a gunman in a pig mask on the loose
Given the choice of head gear I am going to guess we can rule out Islamic terrorism.
Security at the LV casinos is incredibly tight - Mrs Stodge has always said she feels really safe carrying around large amounts of money (to which my response is - "I'll take the winnings now, please !!").
The Bellagio casino floor is huge, however, and used as a walkthrough not only for the lobby and the wonderful Atrium but for people passing through the hotel toward City Center via the tram or back toward Caesars Palace (via the footbridge). At 2am on a Saturday morning, there will be a lot of people in the area.
This thread starter is way off the mark. "Can't rule it out" that the polls are "wrong" [*]? Well they were massively "wrong" before the LR and PS primaries and in particular before the TV debates. Round 1 is essentially a huge all-spectrum open primary, and even more so now that for the first time ever it will be preceded by TV debates. Here's why: because people see lots of candidates battling it out with each other on TV, and they vote for who they want the most, and then the list gets whittled down to two, and once that's happened they may not get a chance to vote for the same person because he or she may have been eliminated, but at least they get a chance to vote for one out of the two candidates who go into the runoff. If one accepts that those are key aspects then the conclusion from this and from what happened in the LR and PS primaries is that massive poll swings in the month to come are likely. The debates are on 4 April and then on the 20th, three days before the first round.
The opposing view would be of course it isn't a primary because it's not run by a single party or by parties from one part of the political spectrum. To take that view would in my opinion be to miss the nature of the spectacle. One could also say "well actually Gary Johnson and Jill Stein were candidates too, and in several states there was Evan McMullin too," but then one really gets into smarty-pants territory and away from the reality of millions of voters watching politicians on the television and in other media, which is what this is all about.
"Who is going to come out of the pack to deny the centrist?" and "Not that there’s been much of a sniff of potential scandal [around Macron] anyway"? This sounds like confirmation bias. Fancy Bear will take on their opponents one at a time.
There have been more than 400,000 signatures on a petition calling for Fillon to pay back the 1.5m euros. The one calling for an inquiry into Macron's alleged corruption has so far received only 28000. Allegations include Vegasgate, a cosy relationship with Servier (Big Pharma), and tax evasion. The Servier angle was raised in the first TV debate.
Fillon is dead in the water and the obvious place for his poll score to go is Dupont-Aignan, which as Le Point have recognised is already happening. When Fillon drops below 10%, the game changes. Then you really get some of the famed "momentum".
(*) I put "wrong" in inverted commas because it's not an issue of polls being wrong but of people's intentions changing.
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
BREAKING NEWS: Tourists flee in terror as Las Vegas casino the Bellagio is locked down amid reports of a gunman in a pig mask on the loose
Given the choice of head gear I am going to guess we can rule out Islamic terrorism.
Security at the LV casinos is incredibly tight - Mrs Stodge has always said she feels really safe carrying around large amounts of money (to which my response is - "I'll take the winnings now, please !!").
The Bellagio casino floor is huge, however, and used as a walkthrough not only for the lobby and the wonderful Atrium but for people passing through the hotel toward City Center via the tram or back toward Caesars Palace (via the footbridge). At 2am on a Saturday morning, there will be a lot of people in the area.
The bellagio is so gaudy, even trump probably thinks it's a tad OTT.
Some comments on Trump Fail on a US friend's FB. The rowback is MASSIVE.
'Trump care was even more liberal than Obama care. I'm glad it failed. I think we need a couple million people to died on Obamacare before people are willing to come to the table and actually repeal that unconstitutional pile of s***.'
'Ok people need to stop this leftist naming of the bill "Trumpcare" it wasnt drawn up by trump and origionally wasnt backed by trump. He didnt even want it named "trumpcare" but these idiot polititions have to focus on slamming trump and not doing their jobs. As for ryan you had 7 yrs and this is what you guys come up with? Way to fail your president.'
'The whole thing will fail on its own and then they will come at it again Thank you President Trump for pulling the plug on another disastrous attempt at making it Obamacare 2.0'
'Wcax maybe you should re write the headline.....it wasn't even voted on....liberal Democrat driven media outlet'
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
Come now, Pret would never just do a cheese sandwich. They'd add a load of unnecessary leaves and crap, sprinkle walnuts on top, give it a Pret-entious name, and charge sick squid for it
It's still a cheese sandwich, though! I might pay £3.50 for a nice baguette with some cheese and lettuce in it if I'm in a hurry and don't have time to look around, but any more and I'll go without, on principle. That's Pret's problem. It's working to relatively tight margins and so is relying on volume. A high staff turnover is a part of that. It keeps the wages bill low. Young Europeans are mostly the UK for a short period of time, so do not need pay rises or prospects. It's a totally different dynamic for UK staff. I think Pret will find it very difficult if immigration levels do decline.
Then they have a crap business model and will need to change it. Any company which relies on cheap labour should think about finding a new business model sooner rather than later.
Not if we walk off the cliff ledge and become a low tax, low regulation, small state economy, they won't. The big problem all retail outlets catering to mass markets have to contend with is that most consumers are very price sensitive. One Waitrose-style supermarket works, for example, because it fills a niche. But more than that would be very difficult to sustain.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
Come now, Pret would never just do a cheese sandwich. They'd add a load of unnecessary leaves and crap, sprinkle walnuts on top, give it a Pret-entious name, and charge sick squid for it
It's still a cheese sandwich, though! I might pay £3.50 for a nice baguette with some cheese and lettuce in it if I'm in a hurry and don't have time to look around, but any more and I'll go without, on principle. That's Pret's problem. It's working to relatively tight margins and so is relying on volume. A high staff turnover is a part of that. It keeps the wages bill low. Young Europeans are mostly the UK for a short period of time, so do not need pay rises or prospects. It's a totally different dynamic for UK staff. I think Pret will find it very difficult if immigration levels do decline.
Then they have a crap business model and will need to change it. Any company which relies on cheap labour should think about finding a new business model sooner rather than later.
Not if we walk off the cliff ledge and become a low tax, low regulation, small state economy, they won't. The big problem all retail outlets catering to mass markets have to contend with is that most consumers are very price sensitive. One Waitrose-style supermarket works, for example, because it fills a niche. But more than that would be very difficult to sustain.
Tescos got a nasty shock when lidl and aldi came along.
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
Come now, Pret would never just do a cheese sandwich. They'd add a load of unnecessary leaves and crap, sprinkle walnuts on top, give it a Pret-entious name, and charge sick squid for it
It's still a cheese sandwich, though! I might pay £3.50 for a nice baguette with some cheese and lettuce in it if I'm in a hurry and don't have time to look around, but any more and I'll go without, on principle. That's Pret's problem. It's working to relatively tight margins and so is relying on volume. A high staff turnover is a part of that. It keeps the wages bill low. Young Europeans are mostly the UK for a short period of time, so do not need pay rises or prospects. It's a totally different dynamic for UK staff. I think Pret will find it very difficult if immigration levels do decline.
Then they have a crap business model and will need to change it. Any company which relies on cheap labour should think about finding a new business model sooner rather than later.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
I don't recognise the feckless kids that Boris talks about. The kids I know want to earn. They like going out, having fun, buying clothes, going to gigs, the cinema and travelling. I don't know any 16-18 year olds in my social circle that's don't have part time jobs if in Sixth Form, or are not in actuall full time jobs or apprenticeships.
I agree that Pret might close branches once they have reached the limit for what they can wring out of a cheese sarnie. The service sector has been addicted to cheap labour for its entire existence hasn't it? People working full time for massive multinationals, but still having to claim benefits is something I'd like to see stopped. There isn't an easy, pain free answer, though.
It used to be convenient to the right to lambast feckless young people who expected the world to give them a living. I am with you, though: I never came across any.
Wealth redistribution - whether directly or through public services - will continue to have a major part to play in keeping society functioning. I can't see any other solution.
I know we're all guilty of feeding the beast. I've had a couple of quids worth of usb cable hand delivered by courier from Amazon on a bank holiday Monday. We're addicted to it. Something fundamental would have to change. As you say, probably impossible.
I recall Mrs JackW endured a Pret moment. Tis an experience she will not repeat or would the manager of said establishment likely forget her tumultuous tirade against the offending article.
It is amazing what these foreign food chains try and slip in. Garlic, fresh herbs, artisan breads, real meat ...
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
Please forgive my Ignorance,
What does OGH stand for? I'm guessing its the Proprietor Mike Smithson, but does OGH stand for something, is there a back story?
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
Fake shoes??!!!???
Oh wait... fake NEWS! Phew, for a moment there I thought I was in the crosshairs
Some comments on Trump Fail on a US friend's FB. The rowback is MASSIVE.
'Trump care was even more liberal than Obama care. I'm glad it failed. I think we need a couple million people to died on Obamacare before people are willing to come to the table and actually repeal that unconstitutional pile of s***.'
'Ok people need to stop this leftist naming of the bill "Trumpcare" it wasnt drawn up by trump and origionally wasnt backed by trump. He didnt even want it named "trumpcare" but these idiot polititions have to focus on slamming trump and not doing their jobs. As for ryan you had 7 yrs and this is what you guys come up with? Way to fail your president.'
'The whole thing will fail on its own and then they will come at it again Thank you President Trump for pulling the plug on another disastrous attempt at making it Obamacare 2.0'
'Wcax maybe you should re write the headline.....it wasn't even voted on....liberal Democrat driven media outlet'
I'm surprise you're not accustomed to the everything-is-good-news-for-us narrative so often employed by Nat stooges.
Look at it the other way round. Ask yourself what the route to the Elysee is for each of the other candidates. They're very tough. I reckon Fillon and Le Pen sould be into double figures; the two from the left far higher; the rest, frankly, name your price. That leaves Macron with at least an 80% chance. There's your value.
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
Bookies largely reflect where the money goes - they have to be career-riskingly certain to put their own views against the flow of money, since they make profits simply by taking money and setting odds accordingly.
I think that quite a lot of people have a punt on Le Pen for the same reason as they punted on Wilders becoming PM - they don't especially understand the political scene in the country and just think a shot on the populist outsider must be a good bet.
David's article is IMO exactly right in every detail.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Unbelievable. Pret deserves to fold after Brexit with attitudes like that to staff.
I wonder if the Left will jump on this one?
The left has been deploring this for years. We used to have regular arguments on here about job seekers being forced to get "experience" by working for nothing at supermarkets etc. Lefties like me who thought it was outrageous were lambasted. How times change.
One week is a decent idea. Any longer than two looks like exploitation. Why not just hire more young people? They are cheaper than people on the Living Wage and going people desperately need a break. Getting experience is a massive challenge for people without a network
Incidentally, the healthcare meltdown in the US is an interesting clue to how Trump will operate. I don't think he especially cares about Obamacare - it was simply something he had to rant about to get votes. He's now cut his losses on it and is moving on. No doubt other issues will be similar - he'll have a try, and if it doesn't work, oh well.
That's actually a good thing - rather an egotistical president with no particular agenda than an egotistical fanatic.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Unbelievable. Pret deserves to fold after Brexit with attitudes like that to staff.
I wonder if the Left will jump on this one?
The left has been deploring this for years. We used to have regular arguments on here about job seekers being forced to get "experience" by working for nothing at supermarkets etc. Lefties like me who thought it was outrageous were lambasted. How times change.
One week is a decent idea. Any longer than two looks like exploitation. Why not just hire more young people? They are cheaper than people on the Living Wage and going people desperately need a break. Getting experience is a massive challenge for people without a network
If Pret can't afford to pay the minimum age related wage for what is a week's trial, then they deserve to go bust.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap.
Everyday, I think about dying. About disease, starvation, violence, terrorism, war, the end of the world.
I recall Mrs JackW endured a Pret moment. Tis an experience she will not repeat or would the manager of said establishment likely forget her tumultuous tirade against the offending article.
It is amazing what these foreign food chains try and slip in. Garlic, fresh herbs, artisan breads, real meat ...
I am sure she felt better after a plate of egg & chips and a big mug of milky tea
It's amazing what epithets marketers will slip in. "Fresh", "artisan", "designer". Apparently there's something called "fine" dining too. Doubtless in the same bracket as "fine" art. What some people will value to differentiate themselves from the dirty hordes! This is an aspect of bourgeois identity that marks out one northern European country in particular.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Most of the comments I have seen are more wondering about why she was banned than having a pop at her, nor do I feel that her departure is any sort of "victory".
I used to get on quite well with her a few years back but over time I have moved a bit more left and she a bit more to the right and we no longer agree on much, but I do not wish her any ill-will.
Look at it the other way round. Ask yourself what the route to the Elysee is for each of the other candidates. They're very tough. I reckon Fillon and Le Pen sould be into double figures; the two from the left far higher; the rest, frankly, name your price. That leaves Macron with at least an 80% chance. There's your value.
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
Bookies largely reflect where the money goes - they have to be career-riskingly certain to put their own views against the flow of money, since they make profits simply by taking money and setting odds accordingly.
I think that quite a lot of people have a punt on Le Pen for the same reason as they punted on Wilders becoming PM - they don't especially understand the political scene in the country and just think a shot on the populist outsider must be a good bet.
David's article is IMO exactly right in every detail.
What you write is true if simplistic, betfair has changed punting enormously, we are all now bookmakers who can lay as well as bet. For every person who thinks that Macron is a bet at around 1/2 somebody else is prepared to take it on.
The whole point here needs clarifying: I'm not saying Macron won't win, I'm simply questioning the notion that 1/2 is overpriced ie value. There are shrewder people than me prepared to lay him at 1/2.
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
Please forgive my Ignorance,
What does OGH stand for? I'm guessing its the Proprietor Mike Smithson, but does OGH stand for something, is there a back story?
Look at it the other way round. Ask yourself what the route to the Elysee is for each of the other candidates. They're very tough. I reckon Fillon and Le Pen sould be into double figures; the two from the left far higher; the rest, frankly, name your price. That leaves Macron with at least an 80% chance. There's your value.
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
Bookies largely reflect where the money goes - they have to be career-riskingly certain to put their own views against the flow of money, since they make profits simply by taking money and setting odds accordingly.
I think that quite a lot of people have a punt on Le Pen for the same reason as they punted on Wilders becoming PM - they don't especially understand the political scene in the country and just think a shot on the populist outsider must be a good bet.
A lot of Brits are betting on the favourite because he's been ahead in the second-round polls for a long time.
Incidentally, the healthcare meltdown in the US is an interesting clue to how Trump will operate. I don't think he especially cares about Obamacare - it was simply something he had to rant about to get votes. He's now cut his losses on it and is moving on. No doubt other issues will be similar - he'll have a try, and if it doesn't work, oh well.
That's actually a good thing - rather an egotistical president with no particular agenda than an egotistical fanatic.
You forget that Steve Bannon is behind his desk, whispering in his ear all day.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I recall Mrs JackW endured a Pret moment. Tis an experience she will not repeat or would the manager of said establishment likely forget her tumultuous tirade against the offending article.
It is amazing what these foreign food chains try and slip in. Garlic, fresh herbs, artisan breads, real meat ...
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
There are two bakeries in the centre of Leeds within 100m of where I work that sell decent baguette sandwiches at £1 each. If they can do it, so can Pret.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyment of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
If we were in pre-Betfair days, the bookies would have Macron at around 1.25. These days, Betfair has a huge influence upon the prices at the bookies. The main reason that Betfair's price is so generous can be summed up in one word -"traders". The majority of people betting on a long term market such as this are traders. For the uninitiated, that is to say they bet at a high price and lay off when the price falls or vice versa. For most traders the object at this stage is to have a book whereby they win a fairly similar profit on all the realistic possibilities.
The majority of traders will have a relatively small bank in relation to the total value of bets and lays placed on the market. In my own situation my bank is only about 2% of my combined bets and lays on this market.
When a favourite gets to odds on, it becomes a lot more difficult to make a profit by trading on the favourite. If someone has a bank of 1k and places a trading bet of that amount on Macron at his current price of 1.47 then he only makes £20 profit if he waits until Macron's price has fallen to 1.45 before he lays off. This could take a few days, where his entire bank is tied up and of course he has the risk that the odds might move the wrong way, as other traders try to lay off at 1.46.
Far easier, therefore, for traders to make their profit betting and laying Le Pen or Fillon, because their prices fluctuate more quickly. Le Pen was below 4 a week ago and Fillon was below 7. Their prices are now 5.1 and 9 respectively.
As we get nearer the end of the market, prices are likely to be more realistic as serious bettors, who place larger straight bets and are not interested in trading, move into the market. Also, traders such as myself, will probably take a view closer to polling day, that there is little point in keeping my trading profits on Le Pen and Fillon at the same level as my potential profit on Macron and so will be tipping the balance more towards Macron, which will also push the price down to a lower level that realistically reflects his chances of winning.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
+1. You don't have to agree with her or even have sympathy with her politics to recognise the value of her contribution. She was as good as voted PB POTY 2016.
A very sound thread header. For a long time I have believed it will be Le Pen, but have maintained a green book. This was based on the populist dominoes idea that we have seen Brexit, Trump - so where's next? On current polling its not going to happen - but imagine the situation if Macron had not run as an indie - we would be looking at Le Pen vs Fillon.
It's amazing what epithets marketers will slip in. "Fresh", "artisan", "designer". Apparently there's something called "fine" dining too. Doubtless in the same bracket as "fine" art. What some people will value to differentiate themselves from the dirty hordes! This is an aspect of bourgeois identity that marks out one northern European country in particular.
I have no trouble differentiating myself from the dirty hordes.
Actually, I blame the marketeers and the total drivel that many of them spout. Perhaps the solution is to ban adjectives. Of course I want a "Fresh sandwich" but the implication is that the other sandwiches are "not fresh". No one will be advertising "stale sandwiches" so the "fresh" is redundant.
Carry this forward and perhaps we can eliminate the purple prose that dominates some restaurant menus so that "Pancetta wrapped chicken with supreme sauce on a bed of puree pommes de terre" is abolished and replaced with "Chicken and mash with gravy"
This should be a post-brexit requirement. No more forrin muck!!!
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
There are two bakeries in the centre of Leeds within 100m of where I work that sell decent baguette sandwiches at £1 each. If they can do it, so can Pret.
How much do those bakeries pay their staff? My guess is that even with much lower rents their margins are even tighter.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyent of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
You don't need to show how nice you are, but do you have to show how not nice you are? Just let it go. She's gone. Maybe she will think it isn't worth the abuse and not come back? I wouldn't. It just bugs me that many have popped up to gloat. It doesn't add to the site, in the same way that you think her posts don't add to the site.
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
If we were in pre-Betfair days, the bookies would have Macron at around 1.25. These days, Betfair has a huge influence upon the prices at the bookies. The main reason that Betfair's price is so generous can be summed up in one word -"traders". The majority of people betting on a long term market such as this are traders. For the uninitiated, that is to say they bet at a high price and lay off when the price falls or vice versa. For most traders the object at this stage is to have a book whereby they win a fairly similar profit on all the realistic possibilities.
The majority of traders will have a relatively small bank in relation to the total value of bets and lays placed on the market. In my own situation my bank is only about 2% of my combined bets and lays on this market.
When a favourite gets to odds on, it becomes a lot more difficult to make a profit by trading on the favourite. If someone has a bank of 1k and places a trading bet of that amount on Macron at his current price of 1.47 then he only makes £20 profit if he waits until Macron's price has fallen to 1.45 before he lays off. This could take a few days, where his entire bank is tied up and of course he has the risk that the odds might move the wrong way, as other traders try to lay off at 1.46.
Far easier, therefore, for traders to make their profit betting and laying Le Pen or Fillon, because their prices fluctuate more quickly. Le Pen was below 4 a week ago and Fillon was below 7. Their prices are now 5.1 and 9 respectively.
As we get nearer the end of the market, prices are likely to be more realistic as serious bettors, who place larger straight bets and are not interested in trading, move into the market. Also, traders such as myself, will probably take a view closer to polling day, that there is little point in keeping my trading profits on Le Pen and Fillon at the same level as my potential profit on Macron and so will be tipping the balance more towards Macron, which will also push the price down to a lower level that realistically reflects his chances of winning.
Excellent post, as I mentioned earlier betfair has changed things forever, hence bookmakers offering so many deals to entice people into opening accounts.
Trading in itself offers a different set of problems, predicting whether a price will rise or fall is as problematic as picking a winner.
Either way you clearly have a real understanding of betting and markets, for decades bookies have made money out of people that don't.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyment of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Its not fake. Its called freedom of speech. Something you apparently hold in as much contempt as you do democracy. If we are talking about loathesome individuals you surely take the biscuit.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyment of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Its not fake. Its called freedom of speech. Something you apparently hold in as much contempt as you do democracy. If we are talking about loathesome individuals you surely take the biscuit.
The other day I argued with somebody who said Conservative overspending in Thanet was justified because it kept Farage out. Some people's idea of democracy and laws are peculiar.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyment of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Its not fake. Its called freedom of speech. Something you apparently hold in as much contempt as you do democracy. If we are talking about loathesome individuals you surely take the biscuit.
I vote for TFS! And Plato was about the only one who got the Septic election right.
Some comments on Trump Fail on a US friend's FB. The rowback is MASSIVE.
'Trump care was even more liberal than Obama care. I'm glad it failed. I think we need a couple million people to died on Obamacare before people are willing to come to the table and actually repeal that unconstitutional pile of s***.'
'Ok people need to stop this leftist naming of the bill "Trumpcare" it wasnt drawn up by trump and origionally wasnt backed by trump. He didnt even want it named "trumpcare" but these idiot polititions have to focus on slamming trump and not doing their jobs. As for ryan you had 7 yrs and this is what you guys come up with? Way to fail your president.'
'The whole thing will fail on its own and then they will come at it again Thank you President Trump for pulling the plug on another disastrous attempt at making it Obamacare 2.0'
'Wcax maybe you should re write the headline.....it wasn't even voted on....liberal Democrat driven media outlet'
In denial, as it was Ryan who pulled the bill; Trump reportedly wanted to go ahead with the vote.
Best part of four years for disillusion to set in - though if the US economy potters along without a recession, I wouldn't bet my house on that happening.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyent of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Perhaps so Roger.
However PB has never been an echo chamber for the prevailing mood. OGH has always striven to ensure a big tent policy. However he is rightly dischuffed when some posters choose to piss in his tent rather than outwith.
Even then Mike allows for potty training errors and allows back those that graduate to pull ups. What he will not tolerate are those that abuse the house rules routinely, egregiously or with a casual discourtesy that they would not expect in their own marquee.
I wanted some nice looking logs to fill in part of my fire place when i installed my TV and av kit on the chimney breast. The cost? A bit of fuel for my chainsaw, and sandpaper and an hour's worth of my time. Similar on eBay was going to cost me 60 quid!
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
If we were in pre-Betfair days, the bookies would have Macron at around 1.25. These days, Betfair has a huge influence upon the prices at the bookies. The main reason that Betfair's price is so generous can be summed up in one word -"traders". The majority of people betting on a long term market such as this are traders. For the uninitiated, that is to say they bet at a high price and lay off when the price falls or vice versa. For most traders the object at this stage is to have a book whereby they win a fairly similar profit on all the realistic possibilities.
The majority of traders will have a relatively small bank in relation to the total value of bets and lays placed on the market. In my own situation my bank is only about 2% of my combined bets and lays on this market.
When a favourite gets to odds on, it becomes a lot more difficult to make a profit by trading on the favourite. If someone has a bank of 1k and places a trading bet of that amount on Macron at his current price of 1.47 then he only makes £20 profit if he waits until Macron's price has fallen to 1.45 before he lays off. This could take a few days, where his entire bank is tied up and of course he has the risk that the odds might move the wrong way, as other traders try to lay off at 1.46.
Far easier, therefore, for traders to make their profit betting and laying Le Pen or Fillon, because their prices fluctuate more quickly. Le Pen was below 4 a week ago and Fillon was below 7. Their prices are now 5.1 and 9 respectively.
As we get nearer the end of the market, prices are likely to be more realistic as serious bettors, who place larger straight bets and are not interested in trading, move into the market. Also, traders such as myself, will probably take a view closer to polling day, that there is little point in keeping my trading profits on Le Pen and Fillon at the same level as my potential profit on Macron and so will be tipping the balance more towards Macron, which will also push the price down to a lower level that realistically reflects his chances of winning.
Excellent post, as I mentioned earlier betfair has changed things forever, hence bookmakers offering so many deals to entice people into opening accounts.
Trading in itself offers a different set of problems, predicting whether a price will rise or fall is as problematic as picking a winner.
Either way you clearly have a real understanding of betting and markets, for decades bookies have made money out of people that don't.
Agree a good post, but move the thinking to the next level and it makes an excellent case for traders to pile into Macron now and pull out when he reaches 1.25. Which isn't happening (yet).
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
TFS, only so much you can pay someone to make a sandwich or serve a cup of coffee, but if there are vacancies it seems bizarre that we pay local people to stay in bed and import millions of immigrants who are happy to work hard and better themselves. It says something about teh moral fibre of this country, it is a pale imitation of itself. When I was a boy people were ashamed to be unemployed , now it is a lifestyle choice for many and for some a lucrative one. This country is pretty rotten at the core presently from grasping greedy people at the top to shameful lazy good for nothings at the bottom. Very depressing.
Mr. Stopper, my favourite mad object was a free gift when ordering a certain amount from a garden catalogue. It was a miniature solar-powered windmill.
A very sound thread header. For a long time I have believed it will be Le Pen, but have maintained a green book. This was based on the populist dominoes idea that we have seen Brexit, Trump - so where's next? On current polling its not going to happen - but imagine the situation if Macron had not run as an indie - we would be looking at Le Pen vs Fillon.
Not necessarily, Bayrou could have been the independent choice instead
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
As we get nearer the end of the market, prices are likely to be more realistic as serious bettors, who place larger straight bets and are not interested in trading, move into the market. Also, traders such as myself, will probably take a view closer to polling day, that there is little point in keeping my trading profits on Le Pen and Fillon at the same level as my potential profit on Macron and so will be tipping the balance more towards Macron, which will also push the price down to a lower level that realistically reflects his chances of winning.
Trading in itself offers a different set of problems, predicting whether a price will rise or fall is as problematic as picking a winner.
Oh yes, an out and out pure trader will not care about who wins an event, it is all about forecasting which way the odds will fluctuate on the runners. To do that you need to keep your finger on the pulse of the news, be prepared to back your judgement swiftly and decisively based on events.
You also have to spot betting trends and momentum at a very early stage. Takes a lot of time and experience and nobody gets it right all of the time.
If you are a pure trader and get it right more often than not on a market, you will have an equal profit on all the runners and it won't matter a jot who actually wins the election. I wouldn't describe myself as a pure trader. I have a fairly equal spread of profit at the moment, but nearer the time, I will put my bettors head on and take a view and tip the balance in favour of the more likely winner, while at the same time keeping a healthy profit on all the other options, so my time and hard work will have not been entirely wasted if there is a surprise result.
It seems to be a two horse race. That may be value. I'll consider it, and whether backing it now or waiting to see how the race goes makes sense.
They were back out at 8 again last night for a time - and sadly I didn't pile in. The Constructors' will depend, I think, not on this race (which has sometimes given a poor steer in the past), but on the who can develop fastest. With new regulations, teams reckon there is something in the order of 1.5-2 seconds per lap to be found over the year, so plenty of room for Merecedes to misstep - unlike the last few seasons.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyent of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Perhaps so Roger.
However PB has never been an echo chamber for the prevailing mood. OGH has always striven to ensure a big tent policy. However he is rightly dischuffed when some posters choose to piss in his tent rather than outwith.
Even then Mike allows for potty training errors and allows back those that graduate to pull ups. What he will not tolerate are those that abuse the house rules routinely, egregiously or with a casual discourtesy that they would not expect in their own marquee.
A man after my own heart then! I can't disagree with a word you've said and an excellent piece of prose downthread (if I may say so).
Even aged 108 you are still one of the site's star posters
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyment of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
I don't think anyone would ever insult you by placing you in the category of ''nice people''.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
What's more likely to happen is that Pret will just close down branches. The problem is that customers (us) will only pay so much for a cheese sandwich.
I don't recognise the feckless kids that Boris talks about. The kids I know want to earn. They like going out, having fun, buying clothes, going to gigs, the cinema and travelling. I don't know any 16-18 year olds in my social circle that's don't have part time jobs if in Sixth Form, or are not in actuall full time jobs or apprenticeships.
I agree that Pret might close branches once they have reached the limit for what they can wring out of a cheese sarnie. The service sector has been addicted to cheap labour for its entire existence hasn't it? People working full time for massive multinationals, but still having to claim benefits is something I'd like to see stopped. There isn't an easy, pain free answer, though.
TFS , government policy is for crap wages , or to bring you down to crap wages. However bad we have ingrained laziness and people believing they have the right to everything they want without having to earn it and we are reaping the benfits ( no pun intended ) nowadays.
I didn't know much about what Macron actually stands for, so I looked on Wikipedia. It has a load of waffle such as:
in favor of the free market "liberal" "neither right nor left" "a collective solidarity." "I am not a socialist." presents himself as both a "leftist" and a "liberal." Macron's stated aim is to transcend the left-right divide "neither pro-european, eurosceptic nor a federalist in the classical sense"
which, collectively and cumulatively, is rather off-putting. It's a bit like a Fianna Fáil position of staying in power and managing and fiddling, but not having a proper philosophy. It left me thinking that I would want to vote for Fillon in order to stop Macron getting into the 2nd round, rather than wanting to vote for Fillon in order to stop Le Pen from winning.
The fact Macron's biggest supporter in the UK is Nick Clegg probably tells you something!
Mr. B, indeed. Apparently the long runs on Friday showed Ferrari off the pace, but things seem to have changed today, so maybe that doesn't reflect reality. Also, Mercedes often seem to be able to turn up the wick for qualifying.
If that remains true, then Ferrari are fastest on race pace.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Most of the comments I have seen are more wondering about why she was banned than having a pop at her, nor do I feel that her departure is any sort of "victory".
I used to get on quite well with her a few years back but over time I have moved a bit more left and she a bit more to the right and we no longer agree on much, but I do not wish her any ill-will.
You are agreeing with me nowadays Bev, you are going up in the world.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
TFS, only so much you can pay someone to make a sandwich or serve a cup of coffee, but if there are vacancies it seems bizarre that we pay local people to stay in bed and import millions of immigrants who are happy to work hard and better themselves. It says something about teh moral fibre of this country, it is a pale imitation of itself. When I was a boy people were ashamed to be unemployed , now it is a lifestyle choice for many and for some a lucrative one. This country is pretty rotten at the core presently from grasping greedy people at the top to shameful lazy good for nothings at the bottom. Very depressing.
It is indeed, Mr. G., and to make it worse the price of a litre of the Grouse at my local off-licence went up from £17 to £29 this week. So much for Hammond's 2% inflation.
Some comments on Trump Fail on a US friend's FB. The rowback is MASSIVE.
'Trump care was even more liberal than Obama care. I'm glad it failed. I think we need a couple million people to died on Obamacare before people are willing to come to the table and actually repeal that unconstitutional pile of s***.'
'Ok people need to stop this leftist naming of the bill "Trumpcare" it wasnt drawn up by trump and origionally wasnt backed by trump. He didnt even want it named "trumpcare" but these idiot polititions have to focus on slamming trump and not doing their jobs. As for ryan you had 7 yrs and this is what you guys come up with? Way to fail your president.'
'The whole thing will fail on its own and then they will come at it again Thank you President Trump for pulling the plug on another disastrous attempt at making it Obamacare 2.0'
'Wcax maybe you should re write the headline.....it wasn't even voted on....liberal Democrat driven media outlet'
I'm surprise you're not accustomed to the everything-is-good-news-for-us narrative so often employed by Nat stooges.
Gosh, Plato and Morty sinbinned and the Donald humiliated.
It would be nice to think we've hit peak alt-right.
Top trolling!
I'll offer recompense in the form of an ew tip for Miss Tongabezi at Newbury (3.00). Hacked up at Ludlow and looks to be improving quickly. Although back down in trip and up another 10lb the likely strong pace should help and at 16-1 it's worth a couple of quid ew. DYOR etc.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
TFS, only so much you can pay someone to make a sandwich or serve a cup of coffee, but if there are vacancies it seems bizarre that we pay local people to stay in bed and import millions of immigrants who are happy to work hard and better themselves. It says something about teh moral fibre of this country, it is a pale imitation of itself. When I was a boy people were ashamed to be unemployed , now it is a lifestyle choice for many and for some a lucrative one. This country is pretty rotten at the core presently from grasping greedy people at the top to shameful lazy good for nothings at the bottom. Very depressing.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyent of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Perhaps so Roger.
However PB has never been an echo chamber for the prevailing mood. OGH has always striven to ensure a big tent policy. However he is rightly dischuffed when some posters choose to piss in his tent rather than outwith.
Even then Mike allows for potty training errors and allows back those that graduate to pull ups. What he will not tolerate are those that abuse the house rules routinely, egregiously or with a casual discourtesy that they would not expect in their own marquee.
A man after my own heart then! I can't disagree with a word you've said and an excellent piece of prose downthread (if I may say so).
Even aged 108 you are still one of the site's star posters
Have to agree Jack , you have been on fine form recently.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
TFS, only so much you can pay someone to make a sandwich or serve a cup of coffee, but if there are vacancies it seems bizarre that we pay local people to stay in bed and import millions of immigrants who are happy to work hard and better themselves. It says something about teh moral fibre of this country, it is a pale imitation of itself. When I was a boy people were ashamed to be unemployed , now it is a lifestyle choice for many and for some a lucrative one. This country is pretty rotten at the core presently from grasping greedy people at the top to shameful lazy good for nothings at the bottom. Very depressing.
It is indeed, Mr. G., and to make it worse the price of a litre of the Grouse at my local off-licence went up from £17 to £29 this week. So much for Hammond's 2% inflation.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Most of the comments I have seen are more wondering about why she was banned than having a pop at her, nor do I feel that her departure is any sort of "victory".
I used to get on quite well with her a few years back but over time I have moved a bit more left and she a bit more to the right and we no longer agree on much, but I do not wish her any ill-will.
You are agreeing with me nowadays Bev, you are going up in the world.
That's fair enough but I'm curious why bookies are offering 1/2 about a 80% chance.
As we get nearer the end of the market, prices are likely to be more realistic as serious bettors, who place larger straight bets and are not interested in trading, move into the market. Also, traders such as myself, will probably take a view closer to polling day, that there is little point in keeping my trading profits on Le Pen and Fillon at the same level as my potential profit on Macron and so will be tipping the balance more towards Macron, which will also push the price down to a lower level that realistically reflects his chances of winning.
Excellent post, as I mentioned earlier betfair has changed things forever, hence bookmakers offering so many deals to entice people into opening accounts.
Trading in itself offers a different set of problems, predicting whether a price will rise or fall is as problematic as picking a winner.
Either way you clearly have a real understanding of betting and markets, for decades bookies have made money out of people that don't.
Agree a good post, but move the thinking to the next level and it makes an excellent case for traders to pile into Macron now and pull out when he reaches 1.25. Which isn't happening (yet).
An out and out trader would not take that risk, especially six weeks before the final round of voting. If I did that, all the potential profits I have accrued as a certain win on all the runners would be put at risk if there was a scandal to hit Macron, or if Fillon somehow managed to gain some momentum in the polls, or there was a major terrorist incident which sent Le Pen's price crashing down towards 3.
The majority of the money placed on the Betfair market is, at this stage placed by traders, who are very risk adverse, especially when they have worked for months to get themselves into a situation where they have guaranteeed themselves a profit.
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Most of the comments I have seen are more wondering about why she was banned than having a pop at her, nor do I feel that her departure is any sort of "victory".
I used to get on quite well with her a few years back but over time I have moved a bit more left and she a bit more to the right and we no longer agree on much, but I do not wish her any ill-will.
You are agreeing with me nowadays Bev, you are going up in the world.
If this doesn't set a klaxon going Bev . . .
Malcolm simply has it the wrong way round and he is ascending to the realm of light and wisdom where I reside.
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
Please forgive my Ignorance,
What does OGH stand for? I'm guessing its the Proprietor Mike Smithson, but does OGH stand for something, is there a back story?
Our Gracious Host
Although given how free he is being with the ban hammer right now I am beginning to have my doubts
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
Please forgive my Ignorance,
What does OGH stand for? I'm guessing its the Proprietor Mike Smithson, but does OGH stand for something, is there a back story?
Our Gracious Host
Although given how free he is being with the ban hammer right now I am beginning to have my doubts
Yes well trot out the usual cartoon about precedents not having been broken before if you like but if Le Pen wins the first round she will have momentum and history on her side even if Macron is still the favourite
It's amazing what epithets marketers will slip in. "Fresh", "artisan", "designer". Apparently there's something called "fine" dining too. Doubtless in the same bracket as "fine" art. What some people will value to differentiate themselves from the dirty hordes! This is an aspect of bourgeois identity that marks out one northern European country in particular.
I have no trouble differentiating myself from the dirty hordes.
Actually, I blame the marketeers and the total drivel that many of them spout. Perhaps the solution is to ban adjectives. Of course I want a "Fresh sandwich" but the implication is that the other sandwiches are "not fresh". No one will be advertising "stale sandwiches" so the "fresh" is redundant.
Carry this forward and perhaps we can eliminate the purple prose that dominates some restaurant menus so that "Pancetta wrapped chicken with supreme sauce on a bed of puree pommes de terre" is abolished and replaced with "Chicken and mash with gravy"
This should be a post-brexit requirement. No more forrin muck!!!
There's actually a European Commission regulation which prohibits advertising a virtue that is in reality either required by law or automatically possessed by all competitors (e.g. you can't say "fat-free" about a type of food that doesn't have fat anyway). We ran into it in Germany when I worked for an animal rights organisation - we wanted to endorse cosmetic companies who didn't test their products on animals, and rival companies complined that the law didn't allow them to do the testing so the claim was tautologous and therefore illegal. We defeated it because the companies who were complaining DID do animal esting in other counttries, so the Commission conceded that it was a fair distinction.
That said, meaningless adjectives remain a problem. I remember once touring an egg farm and asking what the definition of "fresh egg" was. The manager laughed and said "it means 'egg'".
Mr. B, indeed. Apparently the long runs on Friday showed Ferrari off the pace, but things seem to have changed today, so maybe that doesn't reflect reality. Also, Mercedes often seem to be able to turn up the wick for qualifying.
If that remains true, then Ferrari are fastest on race pace.
Betfair odds have Hamilton at around 1.55 and Vettel over 5, the rest nowhere - which seems ridiculous in value terms given both the possibility of a first lap clash, and the relatively close pace of the Merc and Ferrari. No doubt Hamilton is favourite, but by that much ??
If Plato is banned, why do many of you feel the need to pop up and denigrate her? Admittedly, she has a certain style that is niche, but if she's been kicked off, you've won. Let it go.
Sanctimonious crap. It never takes long
It's bollocks, though isn't it, Rog? She has views that not many of us agree with, but she gets no end of personal abuse on here, and as far as I see, she doesn't go in that hard on the perpetrators, just ignores them. She posts stuff that is a bit wacky, but it is from places that many of us don't go, and helps you to at least read a different perspective. She can't post in response to all the snide comments she is getting now, so if it makes you happy to carry on bullying her (and it is bullying, in the way that so many of your kind scream about on the internet) crack on.
I don't care. I loathe her posts and her racism and her prejudice but I couldn't care less whether she's banned or not. She doesn't add one jot to my knowledge or my enjoyent of anything nor I suspect yours. So why is it necessary for us to show what nice people we are by fake sactimony?
Perhaps so Roger.
However PB has never been an echo chamber for the prevailing mood. OGH has always striven to ensure a big tent policy. However he is rightly dischuffed when some posters choose to piss in his tent rather than outwith.
Even then Mike allows for potty training errors and allows back those that graduate to pull ups. What he will not tolerate are those that abuse the house rules routinely, egregiously or with a casual discourtesy that they would not expect in their own marquee.
What has Plato been banned for exactly?
Mike Smithson is entitled to ban her although personally I have found Plato's posts informative and thoughtful. She has been Poster of the Year after all.
"Poor British kids, come and serve our wanky over priced grub to posh kids, for nothing! We're terrified our cheap foreign labour will disappear because of Brexit, and we want to entice you to work for us, but don't want to pay you!"
Not much chance of getting locals off benefits or out of bed early for £7 an hour.
I dunno about that Malc. Maybe if firms like Pret struggle to recruit in the future, they might have to change something to make their jobs more appealing.
TFS, only so much you can pay someone to make a sandwich or serve a cup of coffee, but if there are vacancies it seems bizarre that we pay local people to stay in bed and import millions of immigrants who are happy to work hard and better themselves. It says something about teh moral fibre of this country, it is a pale imitation of itself. When I was a boy people were ashamed to be unemployed , now it is a lifestyle choice for many and for some a lucrative one. This country is pretty rotten at the core presently from grasping greedy people at the top to shameful lazy good for nothings at the bottom. Very depressing.
Mr. B, funny you mention that. Still working on the pre-race article (there are lots of tempting bets), and Vettel 4.33 each way to win (third odds for top 2) is one of them.
I wonder if a back-and-hedge approach would work better. Hmm.
Anyway, I'm trying not to make it as long as the pre-qualifying blog but there's a lot to consider.
Final message from Plato? "Tell Mike it was only politics. I always liked him."
Don't tell me Plato is banned now as well, what was the crime.
I seem too recall OGH issuing a warning about posting "fake news" and Plato's posts consisted of little else so I am assuming that might have had something to do with it but I'm not sure as I haven't read one of her diatribes for months.
Please forgive my Ignorance,
What does OGH stand for? I'm guessing its the Proprietor Mike Smithson, but does OGH stand for something, is there a back story?
Our Gracious Host
Although given how free he is being with the ban hammer right now I am beginning to have my doubts
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https://twitter.com/fraserjfstewart/status/845377683554996224
SNP - 5 mentions
Referendum - 3 mentions
Independence - 2 mentions
Sturgeon - 2 mentions
On topic, and thank you for an excellent piece, David. Unlike domestic politics, where I almost always am in disagreement, it's hard to fault your reasoning.
The spectacular implosion of the centre-right has handed this to Macron, whether aided and abetted by our vote to leave the EU or the election of Donald Trump or not. I'm inclined to not - the French conservatives only have themselves to blame.
Had they dumped Fillon for Juppe when the scandal broke, it would have been far more effective and I suspect Juppe, for all he is an inspiring figure, would still have been able to coalesce the anti-Le Pen vote around him.
I suppose the main obstacle to Macron becomes Le Pen imploding and finishing third but even so Macron would presumably beat Fillon in the run off. I know little of Macron - given he's been derided as a pro-Euro Blairite centrist by some on here, he sounds very reasonable.
It will be fascinating to see the Merkel-Macron relationship and of course Merkel has her own electoral issues come the autumn.
I agree that Pret might close branches once they have reached the limit for what they can wring out of a cheese sarnie. The service sector has been addicted to cheap labour for its entire existence hasn't it? People working full time for massive multinationals, but still having to claim benefits is something I'd like to see stopped. There isn't an easy, pain free answer, though.
To nail this down, why do we deride the French for not wanting to work long hours ? There's nothing "good" or "macho" about a long hours culture. Organisations where the long hours culture proliferates are often rife with bullying and intimidation but, more important, if they can only get their work done by making employees work long hours, they aren't being very effective, efficient or well managed.
I'd like to work fewer hours for the same money - I expect most people would.
Given the choice of head gear I am going to guess we can rule out Islamic terrorism.
Wealth redistribution - whether directly or through public services - will continue to have a major part to play in keeping society functioning. I can't see any other solution.
Made you proud to be British ....
The Bellagio casino floor is huge, however, and used as a walkthrough not only for the lobby and the wonderful Atrium but for people passing through the hotel toward City Center via the tram or back toward Caesars Palace (via the footbridge). At 2am on a Saturday morning, there will be a lot of people in the area.
The opposing view would be of course it isn't a primary because it's not run by a single party or by parties from one part of the political spectrum. To take that view would in my opinion be to miss the nature of the spectacle. One could also say "well actually Gary Johnson and Jill Stein were candidates too, and in several states there was Evan McMullin too," but then one really gets into smarty-pants territory and away from the reality of millions of voters watching politicians on the television and in other media, which is what this is all about.
"Who is going to come out of the pack to deny the centrist?" and "Not that there’s been much of a sniff of potential scandal [around Macron] anyway"? This sounds like confirmation bias. Fancy Bear will take on their opponents one at a time.
There have been more than 400,000 signatures on a petition calling for Fillon to pay back the 1.5m euros. The one calling for an inquiry into Macron's alleged corruption has so far received only 28000. Allegations include Vegasgate, a cosy relationship with Servier (Big Pharma), and tax evasion. The Servier angle was raised in the first TV debate.
Fillon is dead in the water and the obvious place for his poll score to go is Dupont-Aignan, which as Le Point have recognised is already happening. When Fillon drops below 10%, the game changes. Then you really get some of the famed "momentum".
(*) I put "wrong" in inverted commas because it's not an issue of polls being wrong but of people's intentions changing.
'Trump care was even more liberal than Obama care. I'm glad it failed. I think we need a couple million people to died on Obamacare before people are willing to come to the table and actually repeal that unconstitutional pile of s***.'
'Ok people need to stop this leftist naming of the bill "Trumpcare" it wasnt drawn up by trump and origionally wasnt backed by trump. He didnt even want it named "trumpcare" but these idiot polititions have to focus on slamming trump and not doing their jobs. As for ryan you had 7 yrs and this is what you guys come up with? Way to fail your president.'
'The whole thing will fail on its own and then they will come at it again
Thank you President Trump for pulling the plug on another disastrous attempt at making it Obamacare 2.0'
'Wcax maybe you should re write the headline.....it wasn't even voted on....liberal Democrat driven media outlet'
What does OGH stand for? I'm guessing its the Proprietor Mike Smithson, but does OGH stand for something, is there a back story?
Oh wait... fake NEWS! Phew, for a moment there I thought I was in the crosshairs
I think that quite a lot of people have a punt on Le Pen for the same reason as they punted on Wilders becoming PM - they don't especially understand the political scene in the country and just think a shot on the populist outsider must be a good bet.
David's article is IMO exactly right in every detail.
Why not just hire more young people? They are cheaper than people on the Living Wage and going people desperately need a break. Getting experience is a massive challenge for people without a network
That's actually a good thing - rather an egotistical president with no particular agenda than an egotistical fanatic.
Everyday,
I think about dying.
About disease, starvation,
violence, terrorism, war,
the end of the world.
It helps
keep my mind off things.
I used to get on quite well with her a few years back but over time I have moved a bit more left and she a bit more to the right and we no longer agree on much, but I do not wish her any ill-will.
The whole point here needs clarifying: I'm not saying Macron won't win, I'm simply questioning the notion that 1/2 is overpriced ie value. There are shrewder people than me prepared to lay him at 1/2.
It was a bloody awful day only saved by the Pret skirmish and Mrs JackW paying less than three figures for a pair of shoes .... Who knew !!!!
The majority of traders will have a relatively small bank in relation to the total value of bets and lays placed on the market. In my own situation my bank is only about 2% of my combined bets and lays on this market.
When a favourite gets to odds on, it becomes a lot more difficult to make a profit by trading on the favourite. If someone has a bank of 1k and places a trading bet of that amount on Macron at his current price of 1.47 then he only makes £20 profit if he waits until Macron's price has fallen to 1.45 before he lays off. This could take a few days, where his entire bank is tied up and of course he has the risk that the odds might move the wrong way, as other traders try to lay off at 1.46.
Far easier, therefore, for traders to make their profit betting and laying Le Pen or Fillon, because their prices fluctuate more quickly. Le Pen was below 4 a week ago and Fillon was below 7. Their prices are now 5.1 and 9 respectively.
As we get nearer the end of the market, prices are likely to be more realistic as serious bettors, who place larger straight bets and are not interested in trading, move into the market. Also, traders such as myself, will probably take a view closer to polling day, that there is little point in keeping my trading profits on Le Pen and Fillon at the same level as my potential profit on Macron and so will be tipping the balance more towards Macron, which will also push the price down to a lower level that realistically reflects his chances of winning.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=271663353
Actually, I blame the marketeers and the total drivel that many of them spout. Perhaps the solution is to ban adjectives. Of course I want a "Fresh sandwich" but the implication is that the other sandwiches are "not fresh". No one will be advertising "stale sandwiches" so the "fresh" is redundant.
Carry this forward and perhaps we can eliminate the purple prose that dominates some restaurant menus so that "Pancetta wrapped chicken with supreme sauce on a bed of puree pommes de terre" is abolished and replaced with "Chicken and mash with gravy"
This should be a post-brexit requirement. No more forrin muck!!!
Trading in itself offers a different set of problems, predicting whether a price will rise or fall is as problematic as picking a winner.
Either way you clearly have a real understanding of betting and markets, for decades bookies have made money out of people that don't.
Mr. Herdson, aye, but we're sensible Yorkshiremen. Meanwhile:
https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/845556499187404801
It would be nice to think we've hit peak alt-right.
Best part of four years for disillusion to set in - though if the US economy potters along without a recession, I wouldn't bet my house on that happening.
However PB has never been an echo chamber for the prevailing mood. OGH has always striven to ensure a big tent policy. However he is rightly dischuffed when some posters choose to piss in his tent rather than outwith.
Even then Mike allows for potty training errors and allows back those that graduate to pull ups. What he will not tolerate are those that abuse the house rules routinely, egregiously or with a casual discourtesy that they would not expect in their own marquee.
It seems to be a two horse race. That may be value. I'll consider it, and whether backing it now or waiting to see how the race goes makes sense.
This country is pretty rotten at the core presently from grasping greedy people at the top to shameful lazy good for nothings at the bottom. Very depressing.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1311.R1.TR7.TRC2.A0.H0.Xdecorative+logs.TRS0&_nkw=decorative+logs&_sacat=0
You also have to spot betting trends and momentum at a very early stage. Takes a lot of time and experience and nobody gets it right all of the time.
If you are a pure trader and get it right more often than not on a market, you will have an equal profit on all the runners and it won't matter a jot who actually wins the election. I wouldn't describe myself as a pure trader. I have a fairly equal spread of profit at the moment, but nearer the time, I will put my bettors head on and take a view and tip the balance in favour of the more likely winner, while at the same time keeping a healthy profit on all the other options, so my time and hard work will have not been entirely wasted if there is a surprise result.
The Constructors' will depend, I think, not on this race (which has sometimes given a poor steer in the past), but on the who can develop fastest. With new regulations, teams reckon there is something in the order of 1.5-2 seconds per lap to be found over the year, so plenty of room for Merecedes to misstep - unlike the last few seasons.
Even aged 108 you are still one of the site's star posters
If that remains true, then Ferrari are fastest on race pace.
The majority of the money placed on the Betfair market is, at this stage placed by traders, who are very risk adverse, especially when they have worked for months to get themselves into a situation where they have guaranteeed themselves a profit.
https://xkcd.com/1122/
Although given how free he is being with the ban hammer right now I am beginning to have my doubts
That said, meaningless adjectives remain a problem. I remember once touring an egg farm and asking what the definition of "fresh egg" was. The manager laughed and said "it means 'egg'".
No doubt Hamilton is favourite, but by that much ??
Mike Smithson is entitled to ban her although personally I have found Plato's posts informative and thoughtful. She has been Poster of the Year after all.
Who is the second person recently banned?
I wonder if a back-and-hedge approach would work better. Hmm.
Anyway, I'm trying not to make it as long as the pre-qualifying blog but there's a lot to consider.
Juncker: I have met in my life two big destroyers: Gorbachev who destroyed the Soviet Union, and Cameron who destroyed the United Kingdom.