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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
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    Bit of a peace offering question from Nicky Morgan there.

    Think she was less than happy about being used by Corbyn and felt the need to defend the PM. Hope they can bury their hostilities
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    stodge said:

    Mortimer said:

    Last night a PB meet next Wednesday evening in central London was mooted. Any more interested? We have about 8 so far...

    Wine bar is looking likely....unless SeanT can somehow sign more than 4 of us into the Groucho.... :)

    Is the criterion for attendance having voted LEAVE last year ? If so, I could attend.

    I suspect my views on the future of "Global Britain" might not chime with the majority.

    There are no criteria! It is a congenial meet.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    He gives the impression of being a large tool ....
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892
    edited March 2017
    I've just listened to PMQs for the first time for ages.

    !. Mrs May is much improved. In fact she's very good
    2. Most of the questions are articulate with only rare exceptions.
    3. Corbyn isn't very good-worse than his backbench MPs-which is why I imagine most of them have had enough
    4. It's quite refreshing having so many Scots and Irish questions
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    Roger said:

    I've just listened to PMQs for te first time for ages.

    !. Mrs May is much improved. In fact she's very good
    2. Most of the questions are articulate too with only rare exceptions.
    3. Corbyn isn't very good-worse than his backbench MPs-which is why I imagine most of them have had enough
    4. It's quite refreshing having so many Scots and Irish questions

    Those are fair comments Roger
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    Bit of a peace offering question from Nicky Morgan there.

    To stab someone in the back, you have to get fully behind them.

    I think this was more to do with Corbyn misrepresenting her.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    edited March 2017

    Pulpstar said:

    I note Elon Musks's obvious behind the scenes soft diplomacy has paid off with Trump as he has signed off the Mars bill.
    It's nice to have one multi billionaire in this world who'd spend the money the same way I would if I had it :>

    Or perhaps Musk isn't so happy:
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/844360665900838912
    Oh Well, SES10 for the first ever complete reused orbital stage 1 booster coming up ! NET March 29, Spacex's cadence is slowly increasing..
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Jack Dromey seems to have been given a free pass for sending his children to grammar schools.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Probably an opening for a photographer too (approximately 9mm in diameter).
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    YouGov has quite a bit on attitude to immigrants- which varies substantially by home country, and while white folks are generally preferred, far from all of them are and there are marked differences within South Asia.

    Overall, do you think immigrants from each of the following parts of the world make a positive or negative contribution to life in Britain today?

    Net positive:

    USA +37
    Poland: +33
    Ireland: +42
    Romania: -20
    Germany: +40
    Australia: +48
    India: +26
    Pakistan: +1
    Bangaladesh: 0
    Somalia: -25
    Nigeria: -21

    It would seem that the British public think Romanian = Roma.
    I am married to a Bulgarian. The level of ignorance displayed by Britons towards Bulgaria and Romania, and the Balkans, is astonishing.

    And that's amongst all Britons, incidentally. Including graduates and post graduates working in the professional sector in London, one of whom once asked if they used cutlery in Bulgaria to eat their national cuisine.
    In all fairness, the Balkans is not an area where Britain has deep ties of history or mass migration, and in tourist terms it's still miles behind Western Europe in terms of popularity.

    Their ignorance just shows how being pro-EU is, for many, about striking a pose, rather than being derived from deep knowledge about our neighbours and the EU institutions.

    How many foreign languages do Clarke and Heseltine speak? None. Compare and contrast with Hannan.
    All true.

    But visit Plovdiv. A terrific Bulgarian city with virtually zero (or absolutely zero at times) British tourists.

    The Roman amphitheater and old town are sublime, and the food and beer is very affordable and the ladies very smartly turned out ;-)

    The vineyards nearby are also well worth a visit.
    You'll get no argument from me! When you're next in that neck of the woods you should visit Sinaia and Brasov in Transylvania. Both beautiful and free of tourist hordes.

    Sibiu sounds great too.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    YouGov has quite a bit on attitude to immigrants- which varies substantially by home country, and while white folks are generally preferred, far from all of them are and there are marked differences within South Asia.

    Overall, do you think immigrants from each of the following parts of the world make a positive or negative contribution to life in Britain today?

    Net positive:

    USA +37
    Poland: +33
    Ireland: +42
    Romania: -20
    Germany: +40
    Australia: +48
    India: +26
    Pakistan: +1
    Bangaladesh: 0
    Somalia: -25
    Nigeria: -21

    It would seem that the British public think Romanian = Roma.
    I am married to a Bulgarian. The level of ignorance displayed by Britons towards Bulgaria and Romania, and the Balkans, is astonishing.

    And that's amongst all Britons, incidentally. Including graduates and post graduates working in the professional sector in London, one of whom once asked if they used cutlery in Bulgaria to eat their national cuisine.
    In all fairness, the Balkans is not an area where Britain has deep ties of history or mass migration, and in tourist terms it's still miles behind Western Europe in terms of popularity.

    Their ignorance just shows how being pro-EU is, for many, about striking a pose, rather than being derived from deep knowledge about our neighbours and the EU institutions.

    How many foreign languages do Clarke and Heseltine speak? None. Compare and contrast with Hannan.

    Hannan can be ridiculous in several languages. So can Boris. Not sure what that proves.

    Nick Clegg speaks more languages than Farage.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    malcolmg said:

    This is what getting on with the day job looks like. Watch and learn, Nats, watch learn.

    /twitter.com/christopherhope/status/844278390052012032

    You do have to wonder about Scottish education (Maths, Geography, History) when one very young Nat MP complained about a single city in England (London) having more MPs than Scotland......
    I wonder if she read any of the replies.

    You're assuming she can read.......
    The arriviste snobbery of the Scotch migrant made good, always a joy.
    Amazing how all the losers that left hate Scotland so much and decry anything and everything , trying to justify themselves no doubt , could not make it at home so have to denigrate it. Sad little people trying to ingratiate themselves with the locals.
    No True Scot would dream of criticising the SNP.....
    The upshod of this fake indyref2 seems to be Mrs Sturgeon is diminished and others like Mr Salmond have benefited somewhat.

    Whether this is a coincidence or not is up for speculation.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    If, as an outside agency, I wanted Le Pen to win, I'd think it was going well enough so far (given that it was a project that never had much chance of success).

    Le Pen v a compromised Macron is presumably much more winnable than Le Pen v a compromised Fillon [ignore present polling, since Macron isn't yet compromised!]
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    rkrkrk said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    YouGov has quite a bit on attitude to immigrants- which varies substantially by home country, and while white folks are generally preferred, far from all of them are and there are marked differences within South Asia.

    Overall, do you think immigrants from each of the following parts of the world make a positive or negative contribution to life in Britain today?

    Net positive:

    USA +37
    Poland: +33
    Ireland: +42
    Romania: -20
    Germany: +40
    Australia: +48
    India: +26
    Pakistan: +1
    Bangaladesh: 0
    Somalia: -25
    Nigeria: -21

    It would seem that the British public think Romanian = Roma.
    I am married to a Bulgarian. The level of ignorance displayed by Britons towards Bulgaria and Romania, and the Balkans, is astonishing.

    And that's amongst all Britons, incidentally. Including graduates and post graduates working in the professional sector in London, one of whom once asked if they used cutlery in Bulgaria to eat their national cuisine.
    In all fairness, the Balkans is not an area where Britain has deep ties of history or mass migration, and in tourist terms it's still miles behind Western Europe in terms of popularity.

    Their ignorance just shows how being pro-EU is, for many, about striking a pose, rather than being derived from deep knowledge about our neighbours and the EU institutions.

    How many foreign languages do Clarke and Heseltine speak? None. Compare and contrast with Hannan.

    Hannan can be ridiculous in several languages. So can Boris. Not sure what that proves.

    Nick Clegg speaks more languages than Farage.
    You'd expect that given their pedigree to be honest though.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to PMQs for te first time for ages.

    !. Mrs May is much improved. In fact she's very good
    2. Most of the questions are articulate too with only rare exceptions.
    3. Corbyn isn't very good-worse than his backbench MPs-which is why I imagine most of them have had enough
    4. It's quite refreshing having so many Scots and Irish questions

    Those are fair comments Roger
    Laura Kuenssberg didn't agree. She implied Corbyn got the better of her.
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    YouGov has quite a bit on attitude to immigrants- which varies substantially by home country, and while white folks are generally preferred, far from all of them are and there are marked differences within South Asia.

    Overall, do you think immigrants from each of the following parts of the world make a positive or negative contribution to life in Britain today?

    Net positive:

    USA +37
    Poland: +33
    Ireland: +42
    Romania: -20
    Germany: +40
    Australia: +48
    India: +26
    Pakistan: +1
    Bangaladesh: 0
    Somalia: -25
    Nigeria: -21

    It would seem that the British public think Romanian = Roma.
    I am married to a Bulgarian. The level of ignorance displayed by Britons towards Bulgaria and Romania, and the Balkans, is astonishing.

    And that's amongst all Britons, incidentally. Including graduates and post graduates working in the professional sector in London, one of whom once asked if they used cutlery in Bulgaria to eat their national cuisine.
    In all fairness, the Balkans is not an area where Britain has deep ties of history or mass migration, and in tourist terms it's still miles behind Western Europe in terms of popularity.

    Their ignorance just shows how being pro-EU is, for many, about striking a pose, rather than being derived from deep knowledge about our neighbours and the EU institutions.

    How many foreign languages do Clarke and Heseltine speak? None. Compare and contrast with Hannan.
    All true.

    But visit Plovdiv. A terrific Bulgarian city with virtually zero (or absolutely zero at times) British tourists.

    The Roman amphitheater and old town are sublime, and the food and beer is very affordable and the ladies very smartly turned out ;-)

    The vineyards nearby are also well worth a visit.
    Mind you does being free of British tourists also equate to no-one speaking English?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,319

    Listened to PMQs on the radio. May sounded rather like Thatcher at times.

    Just a comment: I'll leave it up to the readers to decide if that's good or bad. ;)

    She's deliberately working on it imho. Says plenty about her....
    Or, just as Mrs T did when new in the job, she is getting various coaching support regarding her performance, and is merely getting the same sort of advice.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Talking of Eastern European off the beaten track - has anyone been to Kaliningrad ?

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,096

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    If, as an outside agency, I wanted Le Pen to win, I'd think it was going well enough so far (given that it was a project that never had much chance of success).

    Le Pen v a compromised Macron is presumably much more winnable than Le Pen v a compromised Fillon [ignore present polling, since Macron isn't yet compromised!]
    Especially as the Russians are keeping their Macron stuff to the runoff
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to PMQs for te first time for ages.

    !. Mrs May is much improved. In fact she's very good
    2. Most of the questions are articulate too with only rare exceptions.
    3. Corbyn isn't very good-worse than his backbench MPs-which is why I imagine most of them have had enough
    4. It's quite refreshing having so many Scots and Irish questions

    Those are fair comments Roger
    Laura Kuenssberg didn't agree. She implied Corbyn got the better of her.
    Corbyn was a lot better than last week - but still wasn't great - May is getting better as she masters her brief, but will never be a star commons performer - hopefully enough Tory MPs remember how far having a true PMQs star (Hague) got them last time....
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited March 2017

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
    Check the certainty to vote figures if you haven't already.

    I think fair value is tighter than 1.54, maybe 1.4. But not 1.2.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,106
    A major escalation in hostilities: Ukraine has barred Russia's entrant in the Eurovision Song Contest from entering the country.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,096
    edited March 2017

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Macron is actually on 24% in the latest OpinionWay taken from 19th to 21st March with Fillon on 19%
    http://presicote.factoviz.com/index/more/id/qoo_lew_1
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    17.4% rise in Spanish exports in January and no help with a currently devaluation. Exports are now at an historic high. The European economy is moving ahead, so no wonder we are doing well.

    What many economists seem to have missed about Brexit is not only the resilience of the UK economy, but also that the vote would not derail Europe generally.

    I agree that the UK is resilient and can cope with the odd shock. But isn't that a good example of how the EU has been good for building our capabilities, just like we were told it would back in the seventies?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
    Check the certainty to vote figures if you haven't already.

    I think fair value is tighter than 1.54, maybe 1.4. But not 1.2.
    I'd say 1.1 is fair value.
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    hamiltonacehamiltonace Posts: 642
    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    This is what getting on with the day job looks like. Watch and learn, Nats, watch learn.

    /twitter.com/christopherhope/status/844278390052012032

    You do have to wonder about Scottish education (Maths, Geography, History) when one very young Nat MP complained about a single city in England (London) having more MPs than Scotland......
    I wonder if she read any of the replies.

    You're assuming she can read.......
    The arriviste snobbery of the Scotch migrant made good, always a joy.
    Amazing how all the losers that left hate Scotland so much and decry anything and everything , trying to justify themselves no doubt , could not make it at home so have to denigrate it. Sad little people trying to ingratiate themselves with the locals.
    No True Scot would dream of criticising the SNP.....
    The upshod of this fake indyref2 seems to be Mrs Sturgeon is diminished and others like Mr Salmond have benefited somewhat.

    Whether this is a coincidence or not is up for speculation.

    The opinion in Scotland seems divided on whether Sturgeon is being smart or stupid. The reality is that events will move faster than the indy ref2. By staking a claim as an opponent to hard Brexit she risks little.

    I was driving to a conference last week with a colleague listening to Salmond on LBC. I vote to stay in UK and EC as I am a multi-nationalist and he voted to leave both as he prefers small government. Neither of us have a voice at the moment and in Scotland that makes us the largest group. Sturgeon view gets about 30% and TM view about 25%. The electorate is very mobile at the moment especially in Scotland.

    At the sharp end of business there is no doubt Brexit beginning to bite. Inflation in our sector is more like 5% than 2%. The NHS is truly short of cash and worse skilled staff. We are also struggling to find good employees. On one level government understands it relies on business more than ever but on the other hand we are the only real source of income the Government has it can squeeze. Thus the NI revolt and the upcoming business rates fight.
















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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,106
    TGOHF said:

    Talking of Eastern European off the beaten track - has anyone been to Kaliningrad ?

    No, but I've wanted to ever since studying Euler's resolution of the bridges of Koenigsberg question.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    17.4% rise in Spanish exports in January and no help with a currently devaluation. Exports are now at an historic high. The European economy is moving ahead, so no wonder we are doing well.

    What many economists seem to have missed about Brexit is not only the resilience of the UK economy, but also that the vote would not derail Europe generally.

    I agree that the UK is resilient and can cope with the odd shock. But isn't that a good example of how the EU has been good for building our capabilities, just like we were told it would back in the seventies?
    No it shows how privatisation was good for building our capabilities, just like we were told it would back in the eighties.

    People seem to forget the mess the economy was in nearly a decade after we joined Euroe. The winter of discontent wasn't before we joined the EEC.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to PMQs for te first time for ages.

    !. Mrs May is much improved. In fact she's very good
    2. Most of the questions are articulate too with only rare exceptions.
    3. Corbyn isn't very good-worse than his backbench MPs-which is why I imagine most of them have had enough
    4. It's quite refreshing having so many Scots and Irish questions

    Those are fair comments Roger
    Laura Kuenssberg didn't agree. She implied Corbyn got the better of her.
    Corbyn was a lot better than last week - but still wasn't great - May is getting better as she masters her brief, but will never be a star commons performer - hopefully enough Tory MPs remember how far having a true PMQs star (Hague) got them last time....
    I Liked her not appearing to play to the gallery as I did the back benchers who were more interested in her answers than their own questions. I think the days of extravagant theatre are over and people are setting more store by politicians who seem honest and genuine. In these dismal days of Trump I think Merkel and May could set a good example
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Talking of Eastern European off the beaten track - has anyone been to Kaliningrad ?

    No, but I've wanted to ever since studying Euler's resolution of the bridges of Koenigsberg question.
    Me neither but it's a tough place to get to and into but apparently is scheduled to have 2-3 World Cup 2018 matches hosted there which was surprising.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017
    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    Is it even legal to print election campaign material without any indication of which party is funding your campaign?
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    This is what getting on with the day job looks like. Watch and learn, Nats, watch learn.

    /twitter.com/christopherhope/status/844278390052012032

    You do have to wonder about Scottish education (Maths, Geography, History) when one very young Nat MP complained about a single city in England (London) having more MPs than Scotland......
    I wonder if she read any of the replies.

    You're assuming she can read.......
    The arriviste snobbery of the Scotch migrant made good, always a joy.
    Amazing how all the losers that left hate Scotland so much and decry anything and everything , trying to justify themselves no doubt , could not make it at home so have to denigrate it. Sad little people trying to ingratiate themselves with the locals.
    No True Scot would dream of criticising the SNP.....
    The upshod of this fake indyref2 seems to be Mrs Sturgeon is diminished and others like Mr Salmond have benefited somewhat.

    Whether this is a coincidence or not is up for speculation.
    SNP support appears solid at 45%+ - these are early days !!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,898
    calum said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    This is what getting on with the day job looks like. Watch and learn, Nats, watch learn.

    /twitter.com/christopherhope/status/844278390052012032

    You do have to wonder about Scottish education (Maths, Geography, History) when one very young Nat MP complained about a single city in England (London) having more MPs than Scotland......
    I wonder if she read any of the replies.

    You're assuming she can read.......
    The arriviste snobbery of the Scotch migrant made good, always a joy.
    Amazing how all the losers that left hate Scotland so much and decry anything and everything , trying to justify themselves no doubt , could not make it at home so have to denigrate it. Sad little people trying to ingratiate themselves with the locals.
    No True Scot would dream of criticising the SNP.....
    The upshod of this fake indyref2 seems to be Mrs Sturgeon is diminished and others like Mr Salmond have benefited somewhat.

    Whether this is a coincidence or not is up for speculation.
    SNP support appears solid at 45%+ - these are early days !!
    No kidding.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,898
    Pong said:

    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    He's very clearly giving the impression he's running as an independent.

    I would have thought it a requirement somewhere? Very peculiar.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    Pong said:

    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    Is it even legal to print election campaign material without any indication of which party is funding your campaign?

    Is the agent's name on it anywhere ?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,957
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Mortimer said:

    Last night a PB meet next Wednesday evening in central London was mooted. Any more interested? We have about 8 so far...

    Wine bar is looking likely....unless SeanT can somehow sign more than 4 of us into the Groucho.... :)

    Is the criterion for attendance having voted LEAVE last year ? If so, I could attend.

    I suspect my views on the future of "Global Britain" might not chime with the majority.

    I'll back you up, Stodge.
    Much appreciated, my friend. We still have the small matter of no venue as apparently every wine bar in London is hosting an A50 party (if we are to believe Dixie who knows all the senior Conservatives and has been invited to all the parties).


    A boozer will do!
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2017
    Pong said:

    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    Is it even legal to print election campaign material without any indication of which party is funding your campaign?

    Ah, the SCon approach - although they did have the party name in the legal notice.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,383
    edited March 2017

    TOPPING said:

    @TwistedFireStopper

    Life good in the JCR?

    Don't be so naive you knows what they say about democracy. Politicians have largely tried to enrich people and they have largely succeeded. Of course there will be exceptions but we have the least bad system and have achieved the least bad outcomes over the past 50 years.

    How have you been left behind in the fire service?

    Absolutely.
    The Fire Service is in Chaos. Funding cut across the board, piss poor management and Local Fire Authorities more concerned with empire building than the actual job. Not enough staff, fire deaths on the rise, standards cut to meet targets. I could go on, but it'd be boring..

    Personally, I've not really been left behind so much, even though my total family income is about 40 grand a year, and not the 6 figure salary that seems to be the norm on here. I do know many people who struggle though. I interact with families and people of all cultures and ethnicities in my city, every day, and I genuinely see inequality, poverty, addiction, crime and vulnerable people and groups that are not sharing all the benefits that living in this country should grant. It's these people who want something different. They need something different.
    I don't go to fires in million pound mansions. I do go to fires in sublet flats that have far more people n them than there should be. Those poor sods at the Albanian car wash have to live somewhere.

    JCR? Yeah, it probably is.
    Hey - sorry I missed this.

    Yes we have problems. But what in the name of the flying fuckmonster do you think a) Brexit or b) anything else short of revolution and @TwistedFireStopper becoming emperor can do to solve it?

    Politics is the art of the possible. It is not a stop the world I want to get off magic potion. All those things you describe are bad things but not the fault of any particular party or system. As mentioned, politics is also something that attempts to solve those things in the context of scarce resource, internationally ever more competitive emerging nations, greed, weakness and any number of other things. You're tilting at windmills.

    Plus as you acknowledge, you haven't been left behind.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,898
    Given the general level of contempt for Brexit there, notwithstanding it often takes potshots at all sides, I was surprised to see this on the Mash

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/man-who-claims-to-be-european-getting-on-everyones-tits-20170322124636
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
    Check the certainty to vote figures if you haven't already.

    I think fair value is tighter than 1.54, maybe 1.4. But not 1.2.
    I'd say 1.1 is fair value.
    You're all crazy. The first round is a whole-spectrum primary. A month before their respective party primaries, Hamon was polling third and Fillon fourth.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,762

    The opinion in Scotland seems divided on whether Sturgeon is being smart or stupid. The reality is that events will move faster than the indy ref2. By staking a claim as an opponent to hard Brexit she risks little.

    I was driving to a conference last week with a colleague listening to Salmond on LBC. I vote to stay in UK and EC as I am a multi-nationalist and he voted to leave both as he prefers small government. Neither of us have a voice at the moment and in Scotland that makes us the largest group. Sturgeon view gets about 30% and TM view about 25%. The electorate is very mobile at the moment especially in Scotland.

    At the sharp end of business there is no doubt Brexit beginning to bite. Inflation in our sector is more like 5% than 2%. The NHS is truly short of cash and worse skilled staff. We are also struggling to find good employees. On one level government understands it relies on business more than ever but on the other hand we are the only real source of income the Government has it can squeeze. Thus the NI revolt and the upcoming business rates fight.

    A fair summary. Brexit changes everything for Indyref. The question is whether the changes cancel each other out, in which case there is a good chance of Scotland staying in the Union. Unionism loses its simple message of "Stick with what you know", while nationalism retains its own simple question of "Who best speaks for Scotland?". Independence is boosted on that basis. On the other hand, the fact we have had a recent clear NO vote is a bigger factor than people are giving it credit for.

    Those that criticise the SNP for neglecting their "day job" of running Scotland are somewhat missing the point. Although they won't admit it, the SNP and its supporters don't really care about education, police, health etc, and that's why they neglect them. They care about independence for Scotland and they are good on that stuff. However I think any SNP cleverness (or indeed stupidity) is coincidental. They will always do what they believe in, which is to push for independence, whether it's clever or not.

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    kle4 said:

    Pong said:

    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    He's very clearly giving the impression he's running as an independent.

    I would have thought it a requirement somewhere? Very peculiar.
    Have nominations closed - it maybe that it's not legally required until post-nominations
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,224
    Nigelb said:

    Grammars is going to be a big GE issue.

    Surely, Grammars are ?
    Which is perhaps an argument in their favour...
    Grammar is always a big PB issue.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    Cyan said:

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
    Check the certainty to vote figures if you haven't already.

    I think fair value is tighter than 1.54, maybe 1.4. But not 1.2.
    I'd say 1.1 is fair value.
    You're all crazy. The first round is a whole-spectrum primary. A month before their respective party primaries, Hamon was polling third and Fillon fourth.
    Generals != Primaries
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954

    kle4 said:

    Pong said:

    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    He's very clearly giving the impression he's running as an independent.

    I would have thought it a requirement somewhere? Very peculiar.
    Have nominations closed - it maybe that it's not legally required until post-nominations
    Nominations definitely still open for council elections. April 4th seems to be the deadline.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    edited March 2017
    Scotland’s Curriculum for Excellence (CfE) was developed as a result of an inquiry set-up by the then Labour government in Scotland. The inquiry reported its findings in 2004. However, the Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP) came to power in 2007 and it was up to the new government to oversee implementation. This represented something of a perfect storm. The SNP is effectively a single-issue political party dedicated to gaining Scotland’s independence from The United Kingdom. That’s what motivates their membership and their politicians. You can just imagine the new government’s relief at being presented an off-the-shelf solution for improving education, drawn-up by the experts. Who could reproach them for following expert advice? After all, we should leave politics out of education, right?

    https://gregashman.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/learning-lessons-from-the-failure-of-scotlands-curriculum-for-excellence/
    FF43 said:

    Those that criticise the SNP for neglecting their "day job" of running Scotland are somewhat missing the point. Although they won't admit it, the SNP and its supporters don't really care about education, police, health etc, and that's why they neglect them. They care about independence for Scotland and they are good on that stuff. However I think any SNP cleverness (or indeed stupidity) is coincidental. They will always do what they believe in, which is to push for independence, whether it's clever or not.

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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyan said:

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
    Check the certainty to vote figures if you haven't already.

    I think fair value is tighter than 1.54, maybe 1.4. But not 1.2.
    I'd say 1.1 is fair value.
    You're all crazy. The first round is a whole-spectrum primary. A month before their respective party primaries, Hamon was polling third and Fillon fourth.
    Generals != Primaries
    This isn't a general election.

    The first round in the French presidential whittles the candidates down to two in an open vote. It does for the whole spectrum what the party primaries did for parts of it.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    What an absolute shower. Presenting the candidates for West of England Metro Mayor or The Western Super Mayor.

    http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2017-03-22/campaigns-continue-for-west-of-england-metro-mayor/
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    JSpringJSpring Posts: 97
    A quick point about Liverpool - both Anfield and Goodison Park are based in the Liverpool Walton constituency, which according to statisticians voted Leave by quite a heavy margin. Liverpool Riverside was probably what largely tipped Remain over the top in Liverpool as a whole.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    dr_spyn said:

    What an absolute shower. Presenting the candidates for West of England Metro Mayor or The Western Super Mayor.

    http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2017-03-22/campaigns-continue-for-west-of-england-metro-mayor/

    Ladbrokes can't split the blues and the yellows (11-10 the pair). Labour 6-1 if you fancy them. I'd have thought the fact that Bristol a largish part would mean that they're live if nothing else ?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,657
    dr_spyn said:

    What an absolute shower. Presenting the candidates for West of England Metro Mayor or The Western Super Mayor.

    http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2017-03-22/campaigns-continue-for-west-of-england-metro-mayor/

    Sorry, but I can't find "Western Super Mayor" on this list...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Rail_Class_52_locomotives

    Perhaps "Western Viceroy" would be a better choice of title (D1052)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    Pong said:

    Incredible.

    Just got a two sided, personally addressed letter from Andy Street. "Conservative" or variants of the word don't appear on it anywhere. No tory logo. Green colour scheme.

    The party isn't even mentioned in the tiny "promoted by" text at the bottom.

    Is it even legal to print election campaign material without any indication of which party is funding your campaign?

    His website is certainly more "John Lewis" than "Conservative"

    https://andy4wm.co.uk/About-Andy-Street
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017
    Hmm. I'm no expert in election law, but;

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/166225/fs-imprints-npc.pdf

    "If the promoter is acting on behalf of a group or organisation, you must also include the group or organisation’s name and address."

    The wording at the bottom of my personally addressed campaign letter says;

    "Promoted by Mike Dolley on behalf of Andy Street both of 8 Greenfield Crescent, Birmingham, B15 3BE"
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    edited March 2017
    Pong said:

    Hmm. I'm no expert in election law, but;

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/166225/fs-imprints-npc.pdf

    "If the promoter is acting on behalf of a group or organisation, you must also include the group or organisation’s name and address."

    The wording at the bottom of my personally addressed campaign letter says;

    "Promoted by Mike Dolley on behalf of Andy Street both of Greenfield Crescent, Birmingham, B15 3BE"

    Former Deputy Director of Campaigning at CCHQ. Now runs Middlemarch Communications.

    http://www.middlemarchcomms.co.uk/

    "Middlemarch Communications seeks to bridge the gap between our clients, Councils and communities through dialogue, consultation and representation to ensure success for everyone."
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Pong said:

    Hmm. I'm no expert in election law, but;

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/166225/fs-imprints-npc.pdf

    "If the promoter is acting on behalf of a group or organisation, you must also include the group or organisation’s name and address."

    The wording at the bottom of my personally addressed campaign letter says;

    "Promoted by Mike Dolley on behalf of Andy Street both of Greenfield Crescent, Birmingham, B15 3BE"

    Is it different because it's a mayoral election?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Cyan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyan said:

    Macron wins unless something comes up. I wouldn't characterise that as a "black swan," though, since the possibility that something will come up must be reasonably high given Russia's interest in this election. I agree he's value at present.

    Yes, I wouldn't go as far as David H who said he thought the odds ought to be 1.2 or even shorter. Stuff happens, and there are still several weeks to go.
    The first round is one month tomorrow.

    I'd still stick with my assessment. Sure, 'stuff' can happen but who is there now to benefit? It will be enormously hard for Fillon to recover, I can see how Le Pen wins but it's a very tough ask, and there's no-one else who can credibly come through: Hamon and Melenchon are limited in their appeal.

    Even if Macron were to be hit by a scandal now, the weakness of his opponents makes his campaign much better able to withstand it than it would've been a couple of months ago.
    Let's say - Macron's support is actually 24%, lower than the polls suggest. 3% of previous Fillon supporters return to him, putting him on say 21%.

    It's a close enough race.
    Well, yeeees, but that's supposing two things for which there's little evidence and which even if both were accepted would still leave Macron ahead.
    Check the certainty to vote figures if you haven't already.

    I think fair value is tighter than 1.54, maybe 1.4. But not 1.2.
    I'd say 1.1 is fair value.
    You're all crazy. The first round is a whole-spectrum primary. A month before their respective party primaries, Hamon was polling third and Fillon fourth.
    Generals != Primaries
    This isn't a general election.

    The first round in the French presidential whittles the candidates down to two in an open vote. It does for the whole spectrum what the party primaries did for parts of it.
    To an extent, but if you think that Macron's odds are too short (as you imply), you have to offer a credible scenario by which he loses, commensurate with the odds you think would be fair. Where and why are the votes going to go somewhere else?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited March 2017
    Pong said:

    Hmm. I'm no expert in election law, but;

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/166225/fs-imprints-npc.pdf

    "If the promoter is acting on behalf of a group or organisation, you must also include the group or organisation’s name and address."

    The wording at the bottom of my personally addressed campaign letter says;

    "Promoted by Mike Dolley on behalf of Andy Street both of 8 Greenfield Crescent, Birmingham, B15 3BE"

    That's fine AIUI.

    Edit - the elections that require a party imprint are parliamentary elections, to Westminster, the devolved administrations or the European Parliament: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/193010/Factsheet-for-political-parties-Electronic-materials-and-imprints.pdf
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    Pong said:

    Hmm. I'm no expert in election law, but;

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/166225/fs-imprints-npc.pdf

    "If the promoter is acting on behalf of a group or organisation, you must also include the group or organisation’s name and address."

    The wording at the bottom of my personally addressed campaign letter says;

    "Promoted by Mike Dolley on behalf of Andy Street both of 8 Greenfield Crescent, Birmingham, B15 3BE"

    That's fine. So long as they give an address and who is being promoted.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    Can't get Mr Simon's site to load:

    http://www.sion-simon.com
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    Norm said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    YouGov has quite a bit on attitude to immigrants- which varies substantially by home country, and while white folks are generally preferred, far from all of them are and there are marked differences within South Asia.

    Overall, do you think immigrants from each of the following parts of the world make a positive or negative contribution to life in Britain today?

    Net positive:

    USA +37
    Poland: +33
    Ireland: +42
    Romania: -20
    Germany: +40
    Australia: +48
    India: +26
    Pakistan: +1
    Bangaladesh: 0
    Somalia: -25
    Nigeria: -21

    It would seem that the British public think Romanian = Roma.
    I am married to a Bulgarian. The level of ignorance displayed by Britons towards Bulgaria and Romania, and the Balkans, is astonishing.

    And that's amongst all Britons, incidentally. Including graduates and post graduates working in the professional sector in London, one of whom once asked if they used cutlery in Bulgaria to eat their national cuisine.
    In all fairness, the Balkans is not an area where Britain has deep ties of history or mass migration, and in tourist terms it's still miles behind Western Europe in terms of popularity.

    Their ignorance just shows how being pro-EU is, for many, about striking a pose, rather than being derived from deep knowledge about our neighbours and the EU institutions.

    How many foreign languages do Clarke and Heseltine speak? None. Compare and contrast with Hannan.
    All true.

    But visit Plovdiv. A terrific Bulgarian city with virtually zero (or absolutely zero at times) British tourists.

    The Roman amphitheater and old town are sublime, and the food and beer is very affordable and the ladies very smartly turned out ;-)

    The vineyards nearby are also well worth a visit.
    Mind you does being free of British tourists also equate to no-one speaking English?
    Everyone speaks English.

    Everyone under 40.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017

    Pong said:

    Hmm. I'm no expert in election law, but;

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/166225/fs-imprints-npc.pdf

    "If the promoter is acting on behalf of a group or organisation, you must also include the group or organisation’s name and address."

    The wording at the bottom of my personally addressed campaign letter says;

    "Promoted by Mike Dolley on behalf of Andy Street both of 8 Greenfield Crescent, Birmingham, B15 3BE"

    That's fine AIUI.

    Edit - the elections that require a party imprint are parliamentary elections, to Westminster, the devolved administrations or the European Parliament: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/193010/Factsheet-for-political-parties-Electronic-materials-and-imprints.pdf
    I presume there's some law requiring party to be declared on the ballot paper?

    Or maybe not?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    @SandyRentool +1.

    @pulpstar Local rag had Green MEP offering an electoral pact with LDs. Greens would back Williams if Scott Cato was given a free run at Bristol West. The independent John Savage stood as Labour Police Commissioner candidate in 2012. The Labour candidate is a parish councillor, a diversity manager with the NHS.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    edited March 2017
    Re Manchester Gorton, Guido is running the story about the bound over Labour councillor.

    https://order-order.com/2017/03/22/labour-gorton-candidate-was-acquitted-of-mosque-assault/
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Can't get Mr Simon's site to load:

    http://www.sion-simon.com

    Me neither
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    Can't get Mr Simon's site to load:

    http://www.sion-simon.com

    In the meantime, if you'd like to read something Mr Simon wrote for another website....

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    17.4% rise in Spanish exports in January and no help with a currently devaluation. Exports are now at an historic high. The European economy is moving ahead, so no wonder we are doing well.

    What many economists seem to have missed about Brexit is not only the resilience of the UK economy, but also that the vote would not derail Europe generally.

    I agree that the UK is resilient and can cope with the odd shock. But isn't that a good example of how the EU has been good for building our capabilities, just like we were told it would back in the seventies?
    What we should have developed from the seventies onwards was a comprehensive trade agreement in goods and services (aka CETA) to build on EFTA, but never formally joined the EC/EU.

    Unfortunately, all that trade stuff got very much tangled up in the political and economic union stuff - we crapped ourselves post-Suez and in the midst of decolonisation in the 1960s convinced ourselves we needed to bury ourselves deep in all of it or we'd be isolated from both the US and the (then) EEC, with no global role whatsoever once our Empire had gone - so that now (with respect to the EU) we will probably have to go one step back on trade integration first, before we can go forwards again.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,131
    JSpring said:

    A quick point about Liverpool - both Anfield and Goodison Park are based in the Liverpool Walton constituency, which according to statisticians voted Leave by quite a heavy margin. Liverpool Riverside was probably what largely tipped Remain over the top in Liverpool as a whole.

    I think you just made TSE's head explode.....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Good afternoon, everyone.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783

    Can't get Mr Simon's site to load:

    http://www.sion-simon.com

    In the meantime, if you'd like to read something Mr Simon wrote for another website....

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
    Truly the Rogerdamus of the Labour Party.....
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Len McCluskey
    Have you signed up for our thunderclap yet?

    Please help us spread the #VoteLen message, sign up and RT!

    https://t.co/mshIEdrrDv
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
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    Sky reporting a "Serious incident" around Westminster.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/844560858583908352

    Man shot by police outside Parliament.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    WTF

    Christopher Hope
    Shots fired outside Parliament. Loud explosion then shooting. Man lying shot outside gates to Parliament. Gun shots outside, Frightening.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Paramedics treating two in HoL areas, six injured on bridge reports say
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Man shot outside Portcullis house - BBC Live TV.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Don Brind talking to BBC now. Heard a shot.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Don Brind in Portcullis House, on the BBC News Channel.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    5 injured by car on Westminster Bridge.

    https://twitter.com/sikorskiradek/status/844561194207920130
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    New thread.
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    NEW THREAD

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    I wonder where you have got the figures for Crystal Palace? Croydon voter 54.3% Remain not 72.8% as this suggests. Selhurst the ward Selhurst Park is in voted majority Leave.
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