An opening gambit, no doubt. I would have thought a question of unquestionable mandate would depend on the position at the last Holyrood elections. Obviously the SNP did not get a majority, but what was their position on another Sindyref going into it? What was the Greens' position on it?
I posted about that yesterday. The Greens' position, stated in their manifesto, was that they'd back another indyref if for example a million people on the electoral register signed a petition calling for it.
Collecting a million signatures wouldn't be easy in a country with only 4 million registered voters but you'd build a formidable permission marketing database in the process.
If consoles do end up being upgraded every few years, not sure how much I'll bother with ones in the future. We'll see. I want something convenient and cheaper than a PC. I'm not spending hundreds every few years.
I think the EU might like to be nice to the Scots but they are about to lose the cash of their 2nd? biggest contributor with no signs of any new rich countries wanting to join. i suspect the figures just won't add up for a free ride for the Scots. Such a shame
Their second biggest contributor is being faced with a choice: The single market or Scotland.
No it isn't, most polls show Scots will still vote No even after May has said the UK will leave the single market
They haven't yet had the spectacle of May's flustered appearance after long negotiating sessions in Brussels.
She is not flustered at all, she will put forward a job offer requirement for skilled workers and EU budget contributions in as far as they meet UK obligations. I don't think an SNP platform of 'vote for independence for unlimited immigration from Eastern Europe and more of your money going to the EU' will have huge appeal
It’s not skilled workers the farmers want it’s semi-skilled (at best).
@paulhutcheon: First Minister's new statement: referendum must be based on *precedent* - ie same question as last time
Surely the question choice should be: Do you think Scotland should become an independent nation state? 1. No - it should stay in the UK 2. No - it should rejoin the EU 3. Yes- new currency, balanced books and all.
Why don't Arsenal fans just call 'The Emirates', Highbury? I still call it that. It's near enough in Highbury after all (and the old stadium wasn't officially called Highbury either). The new White Hart Lane will be called White Hart Lane I should imagine as it's on the same site, regardless of what the numbnut New Football sponsor-monkeys say and want.
I suspect no-one in Newcastle refers to the football ground as other than St James Park. Although I understand that Sunderland has got used to the Stadium of Light.
Where the light, or has been for the past few years is a different question. Roker Park had a ‘feel’ to it!
A least the Stadium of Light is a name with some sort of footballing and historic pedigree (taken from Benfica's ground name and a reference to the lights of the miners). It's not named after some soulless faceless sponsor.
I think St James' Park was officially called the Sports Direct Arena for a while – nobody but nobody ever called it that apart from the quislings on Sky Sports.
So Mike Ashley is being paid so that St James' Park is called St James' Park.
Genius.
If I were them I change it to St Jame's Park, just to mess with people.
If consoles do end up being upgraded every few years, not sure how much I'll bother with ones in the future. We'll see. I want something convenient and cheaper than a PC. I'm not spending hundreds every few years.
One suggestion I read was that because pc games are already made with ability to cope with differing configurations that wouldn't be necessary.
@paulhutcheon: First Minister's new statement: referendum must be based on *precedent* - ie same question as last time
The SNP is calling for a referendum because the UK is leaving the EU, the question should be 'Do you want Scotland to leave the United Kingdom to rejoin the EU?'
I don't think an SNP platform of 'vote for independence for unlimited immigration from Eastern Europe and more of your money going to the EU' will have huge appeal
I sincerely hope you are right, but the scary thought is that SNP irrationality could extend its appeal. They did well with the "scaremongering" meme last time, which in effect was a shout of "Shut up, nonbeliever!" against anyone who caught themselves thinking "What might the drawbacks to independence be?"
I'm hoping that the notion that EU member states have to obey EU rules will permeate enough bonces, and that people understand there's no exemption for states that can cite the Declaration of Arbroath.
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date? The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence. It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
Are there any chemistry students on PB? My own chemistry knowledge is lacking as I did a proper science, physics, instead.
I need the name of two gasses who on their own are fine, but when combined can cause problems.
Hydrogen and Oxygen combined to form Hydrogen Peroxide.
Or water. Surely it is the amounts of each that matter.
Hydrogen, Oxygen plus a flame = Boom.
Mr. Evershed, I bow to your superior knowledge and experience in these matters. However, I have in front of me a glass containing a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen and when I hold a flame to the contents all that happens is that the flame goes out
No, your glass contains a COMPOUND of hydrogen and oxygen, not a MIXTURE.
The Apollo 1 astronauts. One of the reasons the capsule caught fire and the fire spread as quickly as it did was that the atmosphere inside was pure oxygen.
If consoles do end up being upgraded every few years, not sure how much I'll bother with ones in the future. We'll see. I want something convenient and cheaper than a PC. I'm not spending hundreds every few years.
The advantage of consoles has always been cost, simplicity, and assurance games will run on it, something you don't always get with PCs.
The simplicity isn't there now given massive patches and the like, often on the first day or release, and given PCs can stream to TVs and use controllers now, and if you release new updated versions every few years the cost issue takes a battering as well, although it is of course still currently less than upgrading your PC every few years. At the moment.
This EU ruling on headscarfs ruled on visible wearing of signs of religious, political or philosophical...now obviously I understand the first two, but the last? Companies can ban wearing of t-shirts with Plato quotes?
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date? The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence. It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
We now have a different Scottish Government, with a different First Minister. They have a different view. Simples.
Is this the end of consoles as we know them? Sony and Microsoft now allow their games to be played on pc. Are we going to be seeing a branded mini-pcs type device for gaming but can be upgraded rather than a "static" bespoke chip / gpu setup for ps5 etc?.
It has been claimed by fellow members of the PC Gaming Master Race that consoles have been turning into crap gaming pcs for a few generations now. I cannot speak to that, I don't have a latest gen console and I don't care about some of the things I used to use a console for like local multiplayer, but people have been trying bespoke mini pc set ups for awhile now I think, SteamMachine and all that.
Why don't Arsenal fans just call 'The Emirates', Highbury? I still call it that. It's near enough in Highbury after all (and the old stadium wasn't officially called Highbury either). The new White Hart Lane will be called White Hart Lane I should imagine as it's on the same site, regardless of what the numbnut New Football sponsor-monkeys say and want.
I suspect no-one in Newcastle refers to the football ground as other than St James Park. Although I understand that Sunderland has got used to the Stadium of Light.
Where the light, or has been for the past few years is a different question. Roker Park had a ‘feel’ to it!
A least the Stadium of Light is a name with some sort of footballing and historic pedigree (taken from Benfica's ground name and a reference to the lights of the miners). It's not named after some soulless faceless sponsor.
I think St James' Park was officially called the Sports Direct Arena for a while – nobody but nobody ever called it that apart from the quislings on Sky Sports.
After Ashley changed the name, Wonga bought the naming rights. They decided the name should be St James' Park.
The Wongadome would have been so much classier, I don't think.
So Mike Ashley is being paid so that St James' Park is called St James' Park.
The Mackems missed a trick in not selling the naming rights to their new ground when they moved from Joker Park. Nissan Stadium?
The truth is sponsors don't have any such 'right' to name a stadium, as names are a function of popular usage, nothing more. The Gherkin's official name is 1 St Mary Axe, but as popular usage decrees its name is The Gherkin, its 'real' name is The Gherkin. Arsenal fans really missed a trick by adopting the official name The Emirates. They should have continued to call their home ground Highbury, as they did at their old ground (official name The Arsenal Stadium).
Are there any chemistry students on PB? My own chemistry knowledge is lacking as I did a proper science, physics, instead.
I need the name of two gasses who on their own are fine, but when combined can cause problems.
Hydrogen and Oxygen combined to form Hydrogen Peroxide.
Or water. Surely it is the amounts of each that matter.
Hydrogen, Oxygen plus a flame = Boom.
Mr. Evershed, I bow to your superior knowledge and experience in these matters. However, I have in front of me a glass containing a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen and when I hold a flame to the contents all that happens is that the flame goes out
No, your glass contains a COMPOUND of hydrogen and oxygen, not a MIXTURE.
Something important happened yesterday. Nicola Sturgeon resigned as First Minister of Scotland to focus on her main job as head of the SNP campaign to break up Britain. When she replaced Alex Salmond in 2014, she was greeted with warm hearts and open minds by even committed Unionists. Opponents gave her the benefit of the doubt and normally sceptical pundits swooned over this young, smart, brilliant woman who was going to put the divisions of the referendum behind us, focus on her ‘defining mission’ of education, and bring together a bruised nation under the banner of One Scotland.
Those days are past now. The window of opportunity to make a success of devolution, to use the powers of the Scottish Parliament to create a prosperous and fair society, has been slammed shut. A leader has cast aside her office and taken up the megaphone of an agitator and St Andrew’s House is a war room once more.
Scotland has lost a government and gained a pressure group, at the very time when families, businesses and public services need ministers to fight their corner. Nicola Sturgeon could have been their champion and knuckled down to the dull but vital work of making life better for people in Scotland. In the end, she wasn’t up to it; the draw of destiny proved too great. You don’t get into the history books by reducing inequality and helping poor kids go to university.
I think the EU might like to be nice to the Scots but they are about to lose the cash of their 2nd? biggest contributor with no signs of any new rich countries wanting to join. i suspect the figures just won't add up for a free ride for the Scots. Such a shame
Their second biggest contributor is being faced with a choice: The single market or Scotland.
No it isn't, most polls show Scots will still vote No even after May has said the UK will leave the single market
They haven't yet had the spectacle of May's flustered appearance after long negotiating sessions in Brussels.
She is not flustered at all, she will put forward a job offer requirement for skilled workers and EU budget contributions in as far as they meet UK obligations. I don't think an SNP platform of 'vote for independence for unlimited immigration from Eastern Europe and more of your money going to the EU' will have huge appeal
It’s not skilled workers the farmers want it’s semi-skilled (at best).
Well they can get some locals to do it, tough and of course most farmers voted Leave anyway
Guardian says that Banks is definitely setting up a new UKIP called, perhaps the “Patriotic Alliance”.
Doesn’t say what it will call for, though.
Whistling postmen, a free-to-air Sky Carry On channel, testing for the cricket test using polygraphs as part of the citizenship process and criminalising not standing for the National Anthem.
I don't think an SNP platform of 'vote for independence for unlimited immigration from Eastern Europe and more of your money going to the EU' will have huge appeal
I sincerely hope you are right, but the scary thought is that SNP irrationality could extend its appeal. They did well with the "scaremongering" meme last time, which in effect was a shout of "Shut up, nonbeliever!" against anyone who caught themselves thinking "What might the drawbacks to independence be?"
I'm hoping that the notion that EU member states have to obey EU rules will permeate enough bonces, and that people understand there's no exemption for states that can cite the Declaration of Arbroath.
Yes but now the deal terms will already be known so they will have to argue against known fact
@NicolaSturgeon: In addition, I was elected as FM on a clear manifesto commitment re #scotref. The PM is not yet elected by anyone.
The voters of Maidenhead and Copeland may beg to differ
No, they elect an MP.
May has as much legitimacy as any other PM in British history. She commands a majority in the HoC and that is all any PM ever has as a mandate.
Agreed, as much legitimacy as Gordon Brown.
Quite.. however, I do agree with what David Cameron said about the issue:
'I say we change things like this: in future, if someone becomes Prime Minister in the middle of a Parliament, within six months they have to hold an election.'
'You should hold office because the people vote for you, not because your party has stitched up some deal.
'That's the sort of real change you get from a decisive Conservative government.
Charlotte Hogg is an example of something I have seen a lot of in the City: the sort of stupidity (some might use harsher words) committed by the highly intelligent or perhaps the highly educated.
Morality and commonsense are, sadly, often absent amongst the intelligent and the educated.
Of course she had to go. Still, I'm a little bit sad that the "Hogg defence" will not be available to us.
Now, if the BoE is looking for a feisty woman who knows something about the City and economics, with lashings of commonsense.........
Are there any chemistry students on PB? My own chemistry knowledge is lacking as I did a proper science, physics, instead.
I need the name of two gasses who on their own are fine, but when combined can cause problems.
Hydrogen and Oxygen combined to form Hydrogen Peroxide.
Or water. Surely it is the amounts of each that matter.
Hydrogen, Oxygen plus a flame = Boom.
Mr. Evershed, I bow to your superior knowledge and experience in these matters. However, I have in front of me a glass containing a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen and when I hold a flame to the contents all that happens is that the flame goes out
No, your glass contains a COMPOUND of hydrogen and oxygen, not a MIXTURE.
But the original question asked about gases when COMBINED. Didn't specify physical or chemical combination.
When she replaced Alex Salmond in 2014, she was greeted with warm hearts and open minds by even committed Unionists. Opponents gave her the benefit of the doubt ...
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that not everyone will agree with that.
@NicolaSturgeon: In addition, I was elected as FM on a clear manifesto commitment re #scotref. The PM is not yet elected by anyone.
I kept on telling PBers that Mrs May's lack of a mandate would cause her problems.
It hasn't though - her being elected would only change the trivial detail of the arguments, so Sturgeon bringing it up is not significant, as if not then it would be something else - and I don't know that anyone disputed it would not be used against her, just that it isn't particularly relevant.
Scottish Government's White Paper on Independence:
Page 60 If we remain in the UK, the Conservative Party’s promise of an in/out referendum on EU membership raises the serious possibility that Scotland will be forced to leave the EU against the wishes of the people of Scotland.
Page 210 A new threat is now emerging: the growing possibility that, if we remain part of the UK, a referendum on future British membership of the EU could see Scotland taken out of the EU against the wishes of the people of Scotland
Page 279 Scotland faces the possibility of leaving the EU because of Westminster’s planned in/out European referendum.
Page 285 The UK’s planned in/out referendum on EU membership threatens our food and drink industry’s current access to Europe’s single market of 500 million citizens and 20 million businesses
Page 460/461 What impact will the Conservative Party proposal to have a UK referendum on EU membership have? It is the view of the current Scottish Government that the only real risk to Scotland’s membership of the EU is the referendum proposed by the Prime Minister. The Scottish Government does not wish Scotland to leave the EU and does not support the Prime Minister’s plans to hold an in-out referendum on EU membership. Following a vote for independence, Scotland will become an independent EU member state before the planned in-out referendum on the EU in 2017. However, if we do not become independent, we risk being taken out of the EU against our will.
Comments
Do you think Scotland should become an independent nation state?
1. No - it should stay in the UK
2. No - it should rejoin the EU
3. Yes- new currency, balanced books and all.
I'm hoping that the notion that EU member states have to obey EU rules will permeate enough bonces, and that people understand there's no exemption for states that can cite the Declaration of Arbroath.
Q&A
If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.
The simplicity isn't there now given massive patches and the like, often on the first day or release, and given PCs can stream to TVs and use controllers now, and if you release new updated versions every few years the cost issue takes a battering as well, although it is of course still currently less than upgrading your PC every few years. At the moment.
Doesn’t say what it will call for, though.
"Scotland should decide when Scotland has a referendum".
So, a referendum about having a referendum?
King Cole, that's a bloody awful name by Banks.
Mr. Rex, ah, cheers.
Mr. kle4, I agree consoles are becoming more like PCs. Not convinced that's a good thing.
Those days are past now. The window of opportunity to make a success of devolution, to use the powers of the Scottish Parliament to create a prosperous and fair society, has been slammed shut. A leader has cast aside her office and taken up the megaphone of an agitator and St Andrew’s House is a war room once more.
Scotland has lost a government and gained a pressure group, at the very time when families, businesses and public services need ministers to fight their corner. Nicola Sturgeon could have been their champion and knuckled down to the dull but vital work of making life better for people in Scotland. In the end, she wasn’t up to it; the draw of destiny proved too great. You don’t get into the history books by reducing inequality and helping poor kids go to university.
https://stephendaisley.com/2017/03/14/nicola-sturgeon-has-chosen-grievance-over-governance/
Human nature fundamentally not compatible with socialism. Thought Roger and some of the other PB nutjobs would enjoy this article.
Cue howls of laughter
'I say we change things like this: in future, if someone becomes Prime Minister in the middle of a Parliament, within six months they have to hold an election.'
'You should hold office because the people vote for you, not because your party has stitched up some deal.
'That's the sort of real change you get from a decisive Conservative government.
Charlotte Hogg is an example of something I have seen a lot of in the City: the sort of stupidity (some might use harsher words) committed by the highly intelligent or perhaps the highly educated.
Morality and commonsense are, sadly, often absent amongst the intelligent and the educated.
Of course she had to go. Still, I'm a little bit sad that the "Hogg defence" will not be available to us.
Now, if the BoE is looking for a feisty woman who knows something about the City and economics, with lashings of commonsense.........
Page 60
If we remain in the UK, the Conservative Party’s promise of an in/out referendum on EU membership raises the serious possibility that Scotland will be forced to leave the EU against the wishes of the people of Scotland.
Page 210
A new threat is now emerging: the growing possibility that, if we remain part of the UK, a referendum on future British membership of the EU could see Scotland taken out of the EU against the wishes of the people of Scotland
Page 279
Scotland faces the possibility of leaving the EU because of Westminster’s planned in/out European referendum.
Page 285
The UK’s planned in/out referendum on EU membership threatens our food and drink industry’s current access to Europe’s single market of 500 million citizens and 20 million businesses
Page 460/461
What impact will the Conservative Party proposal to have a UK referendum on EU membership have?
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that the only real risk to Scotland’s membership of the EU is the referendum proposed by the Prime Minister. The Scottish Government does not wish Scotland to leave the EU and does not support the Prime Minister’s plans to hold an in-out referendum on EU membership.
Following a vote for independence, Scotland will become an independent EU member state before the planned in-out referendum on the EU in 2017. However, if we do not become independent, we risk being taken out of the EU against our will.
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This gives some background.