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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,016
    Emmbrook on Wokingham (Con defence, resignation of sitting member)

    LDEM: 59.7% (+22.3)
    CON: 33.3% (-4.5)
    UKIP: 3.9% (-11.7)
    LAB: 3.0% (-6.1)
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,228
    SeanT said:

    OFF-topic, but are there any financial experts in the house? Is Mister Nabavi around, or Charles, perhaps?

    It's just that (and I am genuinely not trying to sound like a smug twat, or at least no more than normal) thanks to the nice Germans and Dutch and Nordics and Frogs, I have stupid amounts of money now sitting in my various accounts, in cash. A very sizeable six figure sum.

    What the F do I do with it? I've already got a fairly hefty sum in shares. I'm invested in a start-up company. My main asset is London property so it doesn't make sense to buy more property, as diversifying is key, isn't it? Plus it could crash.

    So where do you put it? Land? Gold? What? Premium Bonds?

    Advice welcome. And yes this is a Very Very First World Problem and I am sorry for sounding like a git, but I am genuinely clueless. And pb is often very good in these situations.

    1) BUYING PROPERTY AT AUCTION
    Auctions are held in England and Wales in a given area about once every two months. You can get a list of properties here: https://www.eigpropertyauctions.co.uk/ . You can get a list of auctions here: http://www.sequenceauctions.co.uk/ . Legal documents are available to the buyer 2-4 weeks before the auction: get a lawyer to read them and a chartered surveyor to do a RICS homebuyers report beforehand. The property may have problems that you cannot cope with: asbestos tiles, subsidence, Japanese knotweed, nonexistent sewage, health hazard, missing floors, the vendor not owning the property...so these steps are not optional. Arrive at the auction on time and do not leave your seat: times will be approximate and from first bid to gavel down is about 90 seconds, so do not go for a piss. If you cannot cope with the process you can see the auctioneer beforehand and he will bid on your behalf. On gavel down you have to pay the deposit there-and-then: if you do not (or if you've bid on the wrong property) you will be escorted from the premises and banned nationwide. The remainder must be paid depending on the property, but 21-28 days is about right. The property sold can be anything from mansion to a very small patch of agricultural land

    2) BUYING DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY VIA A SURVEYOR
    A RICS surveyor will have experience of the local area and can point you to properties for (re)development. If a property is without planning permission then an option can be purchased. The surveyor can put together a team for you or point you in the direction of somebody who can. A list can be found here: http://www.rics.org/uk/
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    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,228

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    And California is almost immune to world catastrophe.

    Earthquakes.

    Droughts.

    Terminators.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960

    Talking of charities, I'm reading Macaskill's "Doing Good Better" at the moment. Most of it is fairly obvious to anyone who has an interest in charity and a vaguely mathematical leaning (editorial summary: decide what the most effective charity is, using independent data, and give them what you can, don't be distracted by cute ideas that don't actually work).

    But one of his themes is that doing good works (as I've just urged on Sean) is a bad idea for high-earners - they should maximise their income, however frivolous or controversial it may be, and give the surplus to the efficient charity, not mess about trying to do stuff themselves. For example, he says that cosmetic surgeons shouldn't switch to heart surgery - if they're good at making film stars beautiful, they should stick to that and generate funds for mosquito nets.

    What do others think of this? I see the logic and like his disciplined focus, but think it underestimates the willingness of people to give more if they have an interest and overestimates the dedicated will to give away extra income - I suspect the cosmetic surgeon who redoubles his efforts on this basis will olten end up buying another yacht.

    Sounds pretty mainsteam Smithian competitive advantage theory. Do what you're best at.

    I want to build BNC a new cricket pavilion eventually, rather than donating them 20 quid a month. 20 quid a month could turn into 60 quid a month buying books....compound that and we're alot closer to a new pavilion.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
    Load of crap. You're better than that.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
    PS You owe the NHS £350M a week.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    Past performance is no indicator of future success.

    Especially when you're hated by EVERY SECTOR OF SOCIETY.

    I just don't understand how 'no right turners' don't get this. He is HATED. By, on aggregate, EVERYONE
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
    PS You owe the NHS £350M a week.
    You won't let us leave yet.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
    Load of crap. You're better than that.
    But he is right though isn't he

    What sort of sick joke was making that man Middle East peace envoy?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Lib Dems gain Wokingham Emmbrook from Conservatives on a very big swing

    Lib Dem 1575
    Con 879
    UKIP 104
    Lab 79

    "Go back to your parish councils and prepare for refuse collection!"
    All over this land there are white men in sandals pointing at dog poo and potholes.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited February 2017
    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.
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    Yet Cameron and Osborne DIDN'T say 'over two years' did they.

    Yes they did. I don't know why you keep posting this nonsense. I suggest you download and read the original Treasury document.
    I suggest you read the actual Telegraph article that Cameron and Osborne wrote:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/david-cameron-and-george-osborne-brexit-would-put-our-economy-in/

    It says ' WEEKS AND MONTHS AFTER A VOTE TO LEAVE ON JUNE 23 '.

    Please explain what timescale ' WEEKS AND MONTHS AFTER A VOTE TO LEAVE ON JUNE 23 ' is supposed to mean ?
    It means, as the article makes clear, an immediate shock (tick, just look at sterling, which fell exactly as predicted), and the period thereafter, which as the article makes clear is initially two years, but some of it is up to 2030.

    Of course, at the time no-one expected the delay to invoking Article 50 to be as long as it has been, so the timescales are extended; after all, we haven't even started the process yet. It's also true that most economists and other observers (including me) expected the mere fact of the uncertainty produced by the referendum result to have a bigger effect than it did. The reasons for that are twofold, and quite interesting. The first reason is that, contrary to expectations, consumers kept on spending, rather than drawing in their horns straight away. That's a bit of a surprise, but not a big deal really; consumer spending is very fickle, and the signs are that the expected slowdown is now beginning. The second reason is that business investment didn't slow down as much as expected. But that's now happening.

    Overall, the effect is slower than expected. But we're very, very far from being able to say the forecasts were wrong overall. You need to wait until the end of 2019 to get the first preliminary data on that.

    If you tell me what the deal with our EU friends is going to be, I could make an updated stab at guessing how the economy will react. But you can't, for the very good reason that our EU friends haven't got a clue themselves.
    That's a great deal of words to say "I don't know what's going to happen".

    Me too - I certainly didn't expect the stock markets to rise to new record levels. Not that I complaining though.

    But that's quite a contrast to how specific the predictions Cameron and Osborne gave in their Telegraph article were.

    And that's the problem these days when you start making precise predictions for your own purposes - you'll get them quoted back at you.

    Anyway, its time to call it a night. So a good weekend to you RN.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,228

    How does it feel to have a crazed war criminal, I mean, Tony Blair on your side?

    Crazed? Possibly. War criminal? Definitely not. PBers use of words is more poestic than precise. Blair did not order war crimes and is not a war criminal, and the Iraq war was not illegal. I appreciate his actions were disliked, but that isn't the same thing.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,372
    edited February 2017

    SeanT said:



    I am giving more to charity. Rich liberal guilt beckons. It's probably inevitable.

    What about a specific charitable project, to diversify your life as well as your assets? Something you know about - perhaps a Sean Thomas Writing Fellowship - you'd invite people to send you a sample chapter of a thriller, and give the best 10 10 hours each of advice. Or offer these people https://www.addictionhelper.com/rehab/charity-rehab/ a series of unpaid talks for recovering addicts on how to make it stick and what worked for you?
    I was under the impression that SeanT already did a lot of charitable work...helping the poor young deluded female Corbynista's of London...taking them into his humble abode, wining and dining them, trips to sunnier climes. etc etc etc.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited February 2017
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up your boast?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    nunu said:

    SeanT said:

    OFF-topic, but are there any financial experts in the house? Is Mister Nabavi around, or Charles, perhaps?

    It's just that (and I am genuinely not trying to sound like a smug twat, or at least no more than normal) thanks to the nice Germans and Dutch and Nordics and Frogs, I have stupid amounts of money now sitting in my various accounts, in cash. A very sizeable six figure sum.

    What the F do I do with it? I've already got a fairly hefty sum in shares. I'm invested in a start-up company. My main asset is London property so it doesn't make sense to buy more property, as diversifying is key, isn't it? Plus it could crash.

    So where do you put it? Land? Gold? What? Premium Bonds?

    Advice welcome. And yes this is a Very Very First World Problem and I am sorry for sounding like a git, but I am genuinely clueless. And pb is often very good in these situations.

    Buy some land, plant some trees. A legacy for your daughters and future generations.
    Buy a house next to J.K Rowling and build a big ugly block of council flats.
    Like very much
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited February 2017
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2017
    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited February 2017
    Interesting comparison to 2016.

    I've just had dinner with 10 friends/colleagues/wives - the same people and resturant as last year - the book fair calendar is pretty predictable.

    Last year there was heated discussion of the referendum and various positions.

    Tonight - nothing. Blair was scoffed at before we even entered the restaurant.

    Remainers who think they are biding their time are stuck in June 22nd Groundhog day with Meeks.

    Get with the programme - we're leaving.

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,338
    http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/17/week-in-review-the-second-coming-oif-tony-bl-air

    "Blair just became the most important man in politics again."
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    viewcode said:

    How does it feel to have a crazed war criminal, I mean, Tony Blair on your side?

    Crazed? Possibly. War criminal? Definitely not. PBers use of words is more poestic than precise. Blair did not order war crimes and is not a war criminal, and the Iraq war was not illegal. I appreciate his actions were disliked, but that isn't the same thing.

    No second UN resolution?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited February 2017

    http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/17/week-in-review-the-second-coming-oif-tony-bl-air

    "Blair just became the most important man in politics again."

    LOL.

    Reminds me of the old 'He's not even the best drummer in the band' quip.

    Edit: Ian Dunt. What a bloody surprise.
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    It means, as the article makes clear, an immediate shock (tick, just look at sterling, which fell exactly as predicted), and the period thereafter, which as the article makes clear is initially two years, but some of it is up to 2030.

    Of course, at the time no-one expected the delay to invoking Article 50 to be as long as it has been, so the timescales are extended; after all, we haven't even started the process yet. It's also true that most economists and other observers (including me) expected the mere fact of the uncertainty produced by the referendum result to have a bigger effect than it did. The reasons for that are twofold, and quite interesting. The first reason is that, contrary to expectations, consumers kept on spending, rather than drawing in their horns straight away. That's a bit of a surprise, but not a big deal really; consumer spending is very fickle, and the signs are that the expected slowdown is now beginning. The second reason is that business investment didn't slow down as much as expected. But that's now happening.

    Overall, the effect is slower than expected. But we're very, very far from being able to say the forecasts were wrong overall. You need to wait until the end of 2019 to get the first preliminary data on that.

    If you tell me what the deal with our EU friends is going to be, I could make an updated stab at guessing how the economy will react. But you can't, for the very good reason that our EU friends haven't got a clue themselves.

    There's a very simple reason why consumer spending didn't immediately crash. Consumers are voters ... voters are consumers.

    If the voters vote to Leave then it is because they think that Leaving is the best option, so why would they immediately stop consuming?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    Interesting comparison to 2016.

    I've just had dinner with 10 friends/colleagues/wives - the same people and resturant as last year - the book fair calendar is pretty predictable.

    Last year there was heated discussion of the referendum and various positions.

    Tonight - nothing. Blair was scoffed at before we even entered the restaurant.

    Remainers who think they are biding their time are stuck in June 22nd Groundhog day with Meeks.

    Get with the programme - we're leaving.

    Sounds like a dull evening. My condolences.
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    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
    PS You owe the NHS £350M a week.
    The EU owes us £4.5 billion a year NET.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited February 2017
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Interesting comparison to 2016.

    I've just had dinner with 10 friends/colleagues/wives - the same people and resturant as last year - the book fair calendar is pretty predictable.

    Last year there was heated discussion of the referendum and various positions.

    Tonight - nothing. Blair was scoffed at before we even entered the restaurant.

    Remainers who think they are biding their time are stuck in June 22nd Groundhog day with Meeks.

    Get with the programme - we're leaving.

    Sounds like a dull evening. My condolences.
    Far better than the chat on here. For a start, no-one was deluded enough to think that 'na na, no right turn, Blair is great' was a political position likely to be more successful than simply 'Not the toxic Tony Blair'.
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    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    , Tony Blair on your side?

    Anytime. With his track record of winning elections.
    And killing Iraqis and giving their country to Islamic State.
    Load of crap. You're better than that.
    Search your feelings, Jonathan. You will know it to be true.
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    viewcode said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    And California is almost immune to world catastrophe.

    Earthquakes.

    Droughts.

    Terminators.
    I know now why you REMOAN, but it is something that I cannot do.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
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    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    Even Trump can win elections.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    You're not really engaging with the issue here. Why would anyone vote for electoral poison like Blair?
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    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    Someone who was once a successful election winner.

    What was the approval ratings when Bambi was winning elections and what is it now?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    Even Trump can win elections.
    Trump has nothing on Mortimer.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,228

    viewcode said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    And California is almost immune to world catastrophe.

    Earthquakes.

    Droughts.

    Terminators.
    I know now why you REMOAN, but it is something that I cannot do.
    Hasta la Leaver, baby... :)
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    You're not really engaging with the issue here. Why would anyone vote for electoral poison like Blair?
    You said you would beat him and yet you offer no credentials. Most odd.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    You're not really engaging with the issue here. Why would anyone vote for electoral poison like Blair?
    You said you would beat him and yet you offer no credentials. Most odd.
    I offer the only credential I would need - yet you still think he is a dreamboat.

    NO ONE LIKES HIM. Apart from you, it would seem.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    I bet you used to laugh at Tories who still thought Maggie was influential in 2000
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    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    Blair is the second most unpopular PM of the last 40 odd years. He is second only to Brown in his net unpopularity and in his overall negative popularity ratings.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/10/cameron-best-prime-minister-since-thatcher/
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    You're not really engaging with the issue here. Why would anyone vote for electoral poison like Blair?
    You said you would beat him and yet you offer no credentials. Most odd.
    I offer the only credential I would need - yet you still think he is a dreamboat.

    NO ONE LIKES HIM. Apart from you, it would seem.
    Nope. Not even a school election then. I'm not convinced you could beat Blair.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,985
    edited February 2017

    SeanT said:



    I am giving more to charity. Rich liberal guilt beckons. It's probably inevitable.

    What about a specific charitable project, to diversify your life as well as your assets? Something you know about - perhaps a Sean Thomas Writing Fellowship - you'd invite people to send you a sample chapter of a thriller, and give the best 10 10 hours each of advice. Or offer these people https://www.addictionhelper.com/rehab/charity-rehab/ a series of unpaid talks for recovering addicts on how to make it stick and what worked for you?
    I was under the impression that SeanT already did a lot of charitable work...helping the poor young deluded female Corbynista's of London...taking them into his humble abode, wining and dining them, trips to sunnier climes. etc etc etc.
    True. Larger donation in return for appropriate very-charitable activity :-)

    More seriously, what about donatnig or loaning capital to a local or relevant Credit Union.

    I am currently planning a donation or long term loan of capital to a local Credit Union after a successful project.

    The point is that 10k to a credit union enables them to make loans of up to 40x that amount (depending on the size of the CU) and can have a significant impact on the capacity of the Union.

    There are different methods - a donation is possible, or a long term loan or share investment. You may or may not get as small return depending on what you agree.

    CUs tend to have limited capital - our County Wide CU only has a couple of million for example - so £100k say would be a major boost.

    I like that it encourages people to stand on their own feet, learn good money habits, and have the setup in place that they can go to a reputable relatively low lender rather than a doorstep lender when financial upset occurs.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    I bet you used to laugh at Tories who still thought Maggie was influential in 2000
    Actually what is remarkable about Blair is he ceased to have credibility, influence or electoral pull by 2010.

    His stock fell so far, so fast.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    I bet you used to laugh at Tories who still thought Maggie was influential in 2000
    Actually what is remarkable about Blair is he ceased to have credibility, influence or electoral pull by 2010.

    His stock fell so far, so fast.
    And yet they are compelled to talk about him.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,985
    edited February 2017
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    I'd stop digging that hole, Jonathan. You will out compete the Labour leadership.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    You're not really engaging with the issue here. Why would anyone vote for electoral poison like Blair?
    You said you would beat him and yet you offer no credentials. Most odd.
    I offer the only credential I would need - yet you still think he is a dreamboat.

    NO ONE LIKES HIM. Apart from you, it would seem.
    Nope. Not even a school election then. I'm not convinced you could beat Blair.
    The hilarious thing is Blair was the right turn for the Labour party. He hijacked a movement for his own personal show. You'd think anyone with any respect for a no right turn avatar would detest the man.

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    And California is almost immune to world catastrophe.

    Earthquakes.

    Droughts.

    Terminators.
    I know now why you REMOAN, but it is something that I cannot do.
    Hasta la Leaver, baby... :)
    Chill IN, dickwad!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You said you would beat the most successful election winner since 1945. You must be awesome. No. Beyond awesome. And yet you keep your success quiet. Why?
    I bet you used to laugh at Tories who still thought Maggie was influential in 2000
    Actually what is remarkable about Blair is he ceased to have credibility, influence or electoral pull by 2010.

    His stock fell so far, so fast.
    And yet they are compelled to talk about him.
    Only because fanbois keep yearning for his special brand of cynicism.
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    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited February 2017

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Nope - I am in the majority. The vast majority.

    Go and look at the November 16 Yougov favourables/unfavourables. He is disliked by every sector of society - male, female, all social groups, all age groups.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    £350M please Sunil.
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    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    £350M please Sunil.
    £4.5 billlion please, Jonathan!
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,228

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    And California is almost immune to world catastrophe.

    Earthquakes.

    Droughts.

    Terminators.
    I know now why you REMOAN, but it is something that I cannot do.
    Hasta la Leaver, baby... :)
    Chill IN, dickwad!
    The Terminator...The Referendum Funding Bill is passed. The referendum goes online June 23rd 2016. Human decisions are removed from common sense. LEAVE begins to dribble at a geometric rate. It becomes fully self-unaware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, Feb 2nd 2017. In a panic, BLAIR tries to pull the plug.
    Sarah Connor: LEAVE fights back.
    The Terminator: Yes. It launches its tropes against the TRUMP in the USA.
    John Connor: Why attack USA? Aren't they our friends now?
    The Terminator: Because LEAVE knows that the TRUMP counterattack will eliminate its enemies over here....
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    Those figures you quote are 8 months out of date. Oh I get it you think they're valid for ever more like the idiotic IDS and Carswell yesterday.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913



    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    £350M please Sunil.
    £4.5 billlion please, Jonathan!
    Seriously? Do the maths.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,646
    edited February 2017
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    And California is almost immune to world catastrophe.

    Earthquakes.

    Droughts.

    Terminators.
    I know now why you REMOAN, but it is something that I cannot do.
    Hasta la Leaver, baby... :)
    Chill IN, dickwad!
    The Terminator...The Referendum Funding Bill is passed. The referendum goes online June 23rd 2016. Human decisions are removed from common sense. LEAVE begins to dribble at a geometric rate. It becomes fully self-unaware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, Feb 2nd 2017. In a panic, BLAIR tries to pull the plug.
    Sarah Connor: LEAVE fights back.
    The Terminator: Yes. It launches its tropes against the TRUMP in the USA.
    John Connor: Why attack USA? Aren't they our friends now?
    The Terminator: Because LEAVE knows that the TRUMP counterattack will eliminate its enemies over here....
    The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of hope. Because if a REMAINER, Viewcode, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,646
    edited February 2017
    Chris_A said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    Those figures you quote are 8 months out of date. Oh I get it you think they're valid for ever more like the idiotic IDS and Carswell yesterday.
    The previous Referendum on Europe was in 1975.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,646
    edited February 2017
    Jonathan said:



    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    £350M please Sunil.
    £4.5 billlion please, Jonathan!
    Seriously? Do the maths.
    £8.5 billion NET:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    viewcode said:

    How does it feel to have a crazed war criminal, I mean, Tony Blair on your side?

    Crazed? Possibly. War criminal? Definitely not. PBers use of words is more poestic than precise. Blair did not order war crimes and is not a war criminal, and the Iraq war was not illegal. I appreciate his actions were disliked, but that isn't the same thing.

    No second UN resolution?
    The attack on Iraq in March 2003 was as much a criminal act as the attack on Poland at the beginning of September 1939. Those who ordered it deserve to be treated accordingly.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,318
    edited February 2017

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    Blair is the second most unpopular PM of the last 40 odd years. He is second only to Brown in his net unpopularity and in his overall negative popularity ratings.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/10/cameron-best-prime-minister-since-thatcher/
    In terms of favourability Blair was higher than Major and Brown in the latest poll on PM ratings from Opinium but in terms of net favourability he did worse than Major with May having the highest rating
    http://www.cityam.com/258734/theresa-may-perceived-best-performing-prime-minister-20
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Jonathan said:



    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    £350M please Sunil.
    £4.5 billlion please, Jonathan!
    Seriously? Do the maths.
    £8.5 billion NET:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
    Your lot promised £350m a week for the NHS. Time to deliver.
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    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:



    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
    x
    £350M please Sunil.
    £4.5 billlion please, Jonathan!
    Seriously? Do the maths.
    £8.5 billion NET:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
    Your lot promised £350m a week for the NHS. Time to deliver.
    We haven't left the EU yet!
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    MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    Emmbrook too close to call eh?
    Result Lib Dems 1575 Conservatives 879 UKIP 104 Labour 79

    Felt fantastic at the count. We smashed it out the park.
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    MrsB said:

    Emmbrook too close to call eh?
    Result Lib Dems 1575 Conservatives 879 UKIP 104 Labour 79

    Felt fantastic at the count. We smashed it out the park.

    LEAVE 494
    REMAIN 122

    :innocent:
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Floater said:

    nunu said:

    SeanT said:

    OFF-topic, but are there any financial experts in the house? Is Mister Nabavi around, or Charles, perhaps?

    It's just that (and I am genuinely not trying to sound like a smug twat, or at least no more than normal) thanks to the nice Germans and Dutch and Nordics and Frogs, I have stupid amounts of money now sitting in my various accounts, in cash. A very sizeable six figure sum.

    What the F do I do with it? I've already got a fairly hefty sum in shares. I'm invested in a start-up company. My main asset is London property so it doesn't make sense to buy more property, as diversifying is key, isn't it? Plus it could crash.

    So where do you put it? Land? Gold? What? Premium Bonds?

    Advice welcome. And yes this is a Very Very First World Problem and I am sorry for sounding like a git, but I am genuinely clueless. And pb is often very good in these situations.

    Buy some land, plant some trees. A legacy for your daughters and future generations.
    Buy a house next to J.K Rowling and build a big ugly block of council flats.
    Like very much
    :smiley:
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,228
    justin124 said:

    viewcode said:

    How does it feel to have a crazed war criminal, I mean, Tony Blair on your side?

    Crazed? Possibly. War criminal? Definitely not. PBers use of words is more poestic than precise. Blair did not order war crimes and is not a war criminal, and the Iraq war was not illegal. I appreciate his actions were disliked, but that isn't the same thing.

    No second UN resolution?
    The attack on Iraq in March 2003 was as much a criminal act as the attack on Poland at the beginning of September 1939. Those who ordered it deserve to be treated accordingly.
    I could be clever-clever (well, it's my default state, but that's not important right now) and point out that the Soviets invaded Poland in 17 September 1939, but it wouldn't make my point. My point is that the invasion of Iraq (at least the UK component of it) was - strictly speaking - legal. Not being specifically authorised by the UN does not make a UK war illegal
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    MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    what's really interesting in that Emmbrook result is when you compare it to 2016 (Wokingham elects in thirds) - Lib Dems 1222 Cons 1235 has become Lib Dems 1575 and Cons 879.

    Campaign fought on local issues, including development, roads, school funding and the local Tories being a bunch of unpleasant greedy people who are fighting like rats in a sack.

    As the Lib Dem agent, I am very proud.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    edited February 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).

    Fascinating.

    Worth noting that in the 2013 local elections themselves, Labour managed only a three-point lead over the Tories (29%-26%) according to Rallings and Thrasher's NEV calculation.

    That set of locals was UKIP's high-water mark, 22%.

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7596/CBP-7596.pdf
    (p. 16)
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    viewcode said:

    justin124 said:

    viewcode said:

    How does it feel to have a crazed war criminal, I mean, Tony Blair on your side?

    Crazed? Possibly. War criminal? Definitely not. PBers use of words is more poestic than precise. Blair did not order war crimes and is not a war criminal, and the Iraq war was not illegal. I appreciate his actions were disliked, but that isn't the same thing.

    No second UN resolution?
    The attack on Iraq in March 2003 was as much a criminal act as the attack on Poland at the beginning of September 1939. Those who ordered it deserve to be treated accordingly.
    I could be clever-clever (well, it's my default state, but that's not important right now) and point out that the Soviets invaded Poland in 17 September 1939, but it wouldn't make my point. My point is that the invasion of Iraq (at least the UK component of it) was - strictly speaking - legal. Not being specifically authorised by the UN does not make a UK war illegal
    The Germans invaded Poland on 1st September.

    How was Iraq a threat to the UK in March 2003?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,031
    NeilVW said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).

    Fascinating.

    Worth noting that in the 2013 local elections themselves, Labour managed only a three-point lead over the Tories (29%-26%) according to Rallings and Thrasher's NEV calculation.

    That set of locals was UKIP's high-water mark, 22%.

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7596/CBP-7596.pdf
    (p. 16)
    Interesting read, thanks! I do not remember UKIP coming first in NEV in 2013!
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    Rob, you are right not to remember that. It was Others (total) who got 32%, of which UKIP made up 22%.

    It is late :)
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    MrsB said:

    what's really interesting in that Emmbrook result is when you compare it to 2016 (Wokingham elects in thirds) - Lib Dems 1222 Cons 1235 has become Lib Dems 1575 and Cons 879.

    Campaign fought on local issues, including development, roads, school funding and the local Tories being a bunch of unpleasant greedy people who are fighting like rats in a sack.

    As the Lib Dem agent, I am very proud.

    Well done.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).

    Not so actually! In the first week of May 2013 the Labour lead with various pollsters was between 1% and 3%. A year earlier it had been close to 10%.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    viewcode said:

    justin124 said:

    viewcode said:

    How does it feel to have a crazed war criminal, I mean, Tony Blair on your side?

    Crazed? Possibly. War criminal? Definitely not. PBers use of words is more poestic than precise. Blair did not order war crimes and is not a war criminal, and the Iraq war was not illegal. I appreciate his actions were disliked, but that isn't the same thing.

    No second UN resolution?
    The attack on Iraq in March 2003 was as much a criminal act as the attack on Poland at the beginning of September 1939. Those who ordered it deserve to be treated accordingly.
    I could be clever-clever (well, it's my default state, but that's not important right now) and point out that the Soviets invaded Poland in 17 September 1939, but it wouldn't make my point. My point is that the invasion of Iraq (at least the UK component of it) was - strictly speaking - legal. Not being specifically authorised by the UN does not make a UK war illegal
    But on the same basis the German invasion of Poland on 1st September 1939 was legal.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).

    Not so actually! In the first week of May 2013 the Labour lead with various pollsters was between 1% and 3%. A year earlier it had been close to 10%.
    If that's the case then the locals matched the Westminster VI polls quite closely, in terms of the Lab lead over Con, but with Others including UKIP and Independents presumably squeezing them both in terms of vote share obtained.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,031
    NeilVW said:

    Rob, you are right not to remember that. It was Others (total) who got 32%, of which UKIP made up 22%.

    It is late :)

    Ah, thanks :p
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    NeilVW said:

    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).

    Not so actually! In the first week of May 2013 the Labour lead with various pollsters was between 1% and 3%. A year earlier it had been close to 10%.
    If that's the case then the locals matched the Westminster VI polls quite closely, in terms of the Lab lead over Con, but with Others including UKIP and Independents presumably squeezing them both in terms of vote share obtained.

    That is pretty accurate - UKIP were on a roll following their strong performance at the Eastleigh by election at the end of February!
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I have to eat a big piece of humble pie here - I was wrong in my comments re- May 2013. I misread the polling tables and was actually viewing May 2014. Apologies to AndyJS who is basically correct in his assertion. In the first week of May 2013 the Labour lead was in the range of 6 to 11%. Labour significantly underperformed its poll ratings that year.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    We all make mistakes :-)

    Of course Westminster VI asks about GE not locals, but it's fun to compare figures.

    If Labour underperform their polls by a similar amount they're in big trouble in May!

    Last year's NEVs were 33 Lab, 32 Con, 14 LD, 12 UKIP, 9 Others.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    The Westminster polls in late April 2016 were all over the place:

    YouGov: Lab +3
    BMG: Con +1
    Opinium: Con +8
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,890
    edited February 2017
    SeanT said:

    OFF-topic, but are there any financial experts in the house? Is Mister Nabavi around, or Charles, perhaps?

    It's just that (and I am genuinely not trying to sound like a smug twat, or at least no more than normal) thanks to the nice Germans and Dutch and Nordics and Frogs, I have stupid amounts of money now sitting in my various accounts, in cash. A very sizeable six figure sum.

    What the F do I do with it? I've already got a fairly hefty sum in shares. I'm invested in a start-up company. My main asset is London property so it doesn't make sense to buy more property, as diversifying is key, isn't it? Plus it could crash.

    So where do you put it? Land? Gold? What? Premium Bonds?

    Advice welcome. And yes this is a Very Very First World Problem and I am sorry for sounding like a git, but I am genuinely clueless. And pb is often very good in these situations.

    Don't know how many six figures you've got - but a friend who moved to SA recently forwarded me this beauty (out of my league...)

    http://www.knightfrank.co.za/properties/residential/for-sale/franschhoek-cape-town/za253029
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    MrsB said:

    what's really interesting in that Emmbrook result is when you compare it to 2016 (Wokingham elects in thirds) - Lib Dems 1222 Cons 1235 has become Lib Dems 1575 and Cons 879.

    Campaign fought on local issues, including development, roads, school funding and the local Tories being a bunch of unpleasant greedy people who are fighting like rats in a sack.

    As the Lib Dem agent, I am very proud.

    Well done you......now the tricky bit, how you scale that with a national leader as unknown as whatshisname
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    Jonathan said:

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    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    Blair is hated.

    He is hated by the right and is hated by the far left. Why? Because he defeated them and they will never forgive him.

    The reason they complain so much today is that they still fear him. There is that chance he might win.

    No, bring him on. I could almost certainly defeat him myself in a parly election. It would be very very very simple. Iraq, iraq, iraq.

    Yet foolish 'no right turners' love him.
    Any evidence of your electoral success to back up you boast?
    My unfavourables are much, much lower.
    Evidence? Please share the elections you have won.
    I am not Tony Blair. That is all that is required to beat him in a electoral setting.

    Seriously Jonathan - look at how unpopular he is.

    He would not be nominated as a Tory, LD or, least of all Labour.

    He wouldn't even be nominated as part of the Bus pass Elvis party.

    He'd be an independent.

    So no evidence. Nothing. Zip. Idle empty boasts. Not even paper thin. Have you even stood?
    He is a busted flush. You seem to be the only person, apart from his old acolytes (perhaps you are one of them - and I claim my five pounds), that don't accept this.

    He is electoral POISON. How can you not see this?
    You are superimposing your own hatred , bigotry and views on everyone else in the country , thankfully you are in the minority .
    Dear Tony,

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    love,

    Sunil
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    £350M please Sunil.
    £4.5 billlion please, Jonathan!
    Seriously? Do the maths.
    £8.5 billion NET:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
    Your lot promised £350m a week for the NHS. Time to deliver.
    We haven't left the EU yet!
    No! No! No!

    You are only allowed to use 'We haven't left yet' when its good news

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    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour were about 10% ahead in the opinion polls at the time of the previous local election in 2013 for the seats being contested this year. They're now about 15% behind, so they could be heading for very heavy losses. They only hold two county councils at present, in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. (Excludes Durham which is a unitary authority).

    Not so actually! In the first week of May 2013 the Labour lead with various pollsters was between 1% and 3%. A year earlier it had been close to 10%.
    You must be wrong, I checked the figures on Wikipedia before posting.
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