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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,037

    Off-topic:

    Dutch elections to be hand-counted after security of electronic systems thrown into doubt.

    http://www.osnews.com/story/29647/Fearful_of_hacking_Dutch_will_count_ballots_by_hand

    After 30 years in the IT industry I can most definitely assert that elections should never be carried out electronically.
    :+1:
    Voting machines and online voting are never going to happen.

    As a professional technologist it's clear to me that the vast majority of people don't understand technology - the chance of the average man in the street accepting putting their vote into some machine is close to zero - and he's right to think that. It's important in elections that people think their vote is fair, anonymous and will be counted.

    Sometimes the old fashioned manual ways of doing something are the best. Elections are a great example of that.
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    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Niche is the one that Americans also butcher.
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    America's new top prosecutor, Jeff Sessions, has said the US must bring an end to illegal immigration, as he was sworn in at the White House.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38923511
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes its definitely cleek.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,352
    Mr Dancer,

    "'Click' always sounds American to me."

    My granny (born in the 1880s) always pronounced it that way.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
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    Cheers, Mr. L.

    Mr. Urquhart, gods, yes. 'Nitch'. Nitch!

    Interesting that they pronounce 'herb' the French way (likewise 'fillet', I think). There's one we Frenchify but they don't, though I can't remember it offhand.

    Mr. Sandpit, I fear that's complacent. Clownish buffoons like Bercow think such things are a good idea.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027

    America's new top prosecutor, Jeff Sessions, has said the US must bring an end to illegal immigration, as he was sworn in at the White House.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38923511

    Woohoo, I snuck in the day before he was appointed. :D
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    I am more curious about what a meme even is. My kids have been teasing my about this recently. "Hullo darkness my old friend" is apparently a meme. I have no idea why.
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    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    America's new top prosecutor, Jeff Sessions, has said the US must bring an end to illegal immigration, as he was sworn in at the White House.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38923511

    Well good luck with that.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    Dawkins wanted it to sound like "gene" so I think meem is correct.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).
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    DavidL said:

    America's new top prosecutor, Jeff Sessions, has said the US must bring an end to illegal immigration, as he was sworn in at the White House.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38923511

    Well good luck with that.
    What you not convinced by the effectiveness of the wall and the plan deport 11 million people?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    DavidL said:

    America's new top prosecutor, Jeff Sessions, has said the US must bring an end to illegal immigration, as he was sworn in at the White House.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38923511

    Well good luck with that.
    What you not convinced by the effectiveness of the wall and the plan deport 11 million people?
    Nope.
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    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).
    I would say he will be off the Christmas card list, but given he was a card carrying Tory, I doubt he has been on that for a long time.
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    Mr. CD13, I was born a little later...

    Mr. D, surely to rhyme with 'theme'?

    Mr. L, think it'd be defined as a sort of in vogue idea/cliche, an idea being replicated through social discourse in the way a successful gene spreads through a species.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    May accused of lying about impact of EU migrants on UK by Czech Europe minister

    Theresa May has been accused of lying about the impact of immigration on Britain by an EU minister. It was Tomas Prouza, the Czech minister for Europe, who made the claim in a speech at Charles University in Prague at a conference on Brexit. He also delivered a harsh assessment of May’s Brexit strategy. Here is the full text, and here are the key points.



    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).
    I would say he will be off the Christmas card list, but given he was a card carrying Tory, I doubt he has been on that for a long time.
    Hopefully the operative and important word in that sentence is "was".
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    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543


    Mr. L, think it'd be defined as a sort of in vogue idea/cliche, an idea being replicated through social discourse in the way a successful gene spreads through a species.

    Okaay....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".

    Sad.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited February 2017
    DavidL said:

    I am more curious about what a meme even is. My kids have been teasing my about this recently. "Hullo darkness my old friend" is apparently a meme. I have no idea why.

    "A meme (/ˈmiːm/ meem) is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture". A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.

    Proponents theorize that memes are a viral phenomenon that may evolve by natural selection in a manner analogous to that of biological evolution. Memes do this through the processes of variation, mutation, competition, and inheritance, each of which influences a meme's reproductive success. Memes spread through the behavior that they generate in their hosts. Memes that propagate less prolifically may become extinct, while others may survive, spread, and (for better or for worse) mutate. Memes that replicate most effectively enjoy more success, and some may replicate effectively even when they prove to be detrimental to the welfare of their hosts."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    I bet mexican undocumented immigrants end up building the wall to be perfectly honest !
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Memes that replicate most effectively enjoy more success, and some may replicate effectively even when they prove to be detrimental to the welfare of their hosts.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/
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    isamisam Posts: 41,095
    Scott_P said:

    Memes that replicate most effectively enjoy more success, and some may replicate effectively even when they prove to be detrimental to the welfare of their hosts.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwcl_ZehPtE
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    "Feckles, heckles, hackles, schmeckles. Whatever the hell they are, they're up right now and pointed at you, buddy!"

    :D
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

    I think Stalin has some quotes along those lines...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

    The former. It's gratuitously cruel, vicious and shows a deep contempt for one's fellow man. Mere incompetence is all we expect of government and not in itself immoral even if the consequences are more serious from a utilitarian perspective.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,232
    edited February 2017

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

    The latter if it was supposed to be for projects to find accommodation for the homeless. Though this story totally kills any future prospects of Sturgeon using an 'evil Tories' narrative when it seems her own relative is one. CUCA have now expelled him
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    DavidL said:

    I am more curious about what a meme even is. My kids have been teasing my about this recently. "Hullo darkness my old friend" is apparently a meme. I have no idea why.

    "A meme (/ˈmiːm/ meem) is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture". A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.

    Proponents theorize that memes are a viral phenomenon that may evolve by natural selection in a manner analogous to that of biological evolution. Memes do this through the processes of variation, mutation, competition, and inheritance, each of which influences a meme's reproductive success. Memes spread through the behavior that they generate in their hosts. Memes that propagate less prolifically may become extinct, while others may survive, spread, and (for better or for worse) mutate. Memes that replicate most effectively enjoy more success, and some may replicate effectively even when they prove to be detrimental to the welfare of their hosts."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
    Thank you Beverley.
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    They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse

    You should probably get in touch with your pro brexit, anti independence, life-long SNP member in-law for some on the the ground info.

    'It comes as official NHS figures for December show that 86.2% of A&E patients in England were dealt with in under four hours.
    December A&E figures for Scotland are much higher at 92.6% while Wales and Northern Ireland's figures are lower than England's.'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38907492

    All NHS's are under serious strain and need a new cross party consensus to apply joined up innovative thinking and the merging of social care.

    By the way see Nicola is failing again, this time on education. Time she did her day job instead of living on fantasy islsnd
    'the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse'

    Thanks for your gracious apology for speaking shyte.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?
    That was my point - even if they were brother and sister, it wouldn't reflect any on her, since she's not him.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    It's definitely cleek. Americans do the same thing with niche. It's neesh to us but they say it as nitch.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,833
    Pro_Rata said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    I hated the Bullingdon - and Brasenose's knock-off - with all my heart. More than anythign else with which I have had personal contact.
    I would go as far as to say my university's equivalent, their associated hangers on and that portion of public school types who operated a kind of apartheid (separate bars, separate subjects, wilful ignorance of life beyond their kind) and the correlation between those who ran the student conservatives and precisely those people who set themselves as most separate, colours my view to this day of how the Conservative party can never truly represent or understand me, wherever it positions itself on the left/right spectrum. And far more so than growing up in a Labour heartland in the 80s ever did.

    Yes, it is something of a visceral class thing, but there you have it.
    At my University the "attempted snobs" were about 90% fakes who had really gone to comprehensives etc. The worst and most boring kind of social climbers imaginable.

    They affected to believe that the various student societies (including the Conservatives) were beneath them.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited February 2017
    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    I am more curious about what a meme even is. My kids have been teasing my about this recently. "Hullo darkness my old friend" is apparently a meme. I have no idea why.
    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hello-darkness-my-old-friend

    It seems very tenuous to me, but what do I know, I havent been a yoof for a very long time.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,833
    edited February 2017
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

    The former. It's gratuitously cruel, vicious and shows a deep contempt for one's fellow man. Mere incompetence is all we expect of government and not in itself immoral even if the consequences are more serious from a utilitarian perspective.
    What if the incompetence in spending the millions is ongoing? - my experience of such things is that the truly ludicrous projects (private and public sector) almost always last longer than a single budget year.
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    Scott_P said:
    The PB Alt Right suddenly discovers a grudging respect for Sturgeon.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543



    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    It's definitely cleek. Americans do the same thing with niche. It's neesh to us but they say it as nitch.
    Its a very small step from there to electing Donald Trump isn't it?
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    John_M said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
    I've never heard that, what's it supposed to mean?

    I do dislike journalists who use "piece" to mean "article", "story" or "column".
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
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    Just finished the podcast. Excellent English from the German lady (as might be expected, to be honest). I do disagree with Mr. Pedley entirely on his 'moral high ground' position on unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of millions of EU citizens in the UK without the corresponding protection for British citizens in the EU.

    It baffles me why those who propose this move (disregarding that the moral high ground of scrapping half the rebate got Blair absolutely nothing in return) seem more interested in the rights of EU citizens than their fellow countrymen.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited February 2017

    John_M said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
    I've never heard that, what's it supposed to mean?

    I do dislike journalists who use "piece" to mean "article", "story" or "column".
    Blame Ed Balls...
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2013/jun/27/across-the-piece-jargon-steven-poole

    My pet hate is "nice"... what a useless word that is, tell you nothing at all.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    Indeed: neologisms are themselves examples of memes. Some catch on, some get modified, some die.
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    Mr. Quidder, also, giga seems to have changed from a soft to a hard G (Doc Brown in Back to the Future refers to 'jiga-watts').
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    And Linux.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,294

    John_M said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
    I've never heard that, what's it supposed to mean?

    I do dislike journalists who use "piece" to mean "article", "story" or "column".
    Blame Ed Balls...
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2013/jun/27/across-the-piece-jargon-steven-poole
    A convenient scrape-goat.
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    John_M said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
    I've never heard that, what's it supposed to mean?

    I do dislike journalists who use "piece" to mean "article", "story" or "column".
    Blame Ed Balls...
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2013/jun/27/across-the-piece-jargon-steven-poole
    A convenient scrape-goat.
    "Please do not scrape the goat"
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,189
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    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    And Linux.
    In the originator's country it is "Leenux"
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    Mr. Quidder, also, giga seems to have changed from a soft to a hard G (Doc Brown in Back to the Future refers to 'jiga-watts').

    BTTF is the only place I've heard that pronunciation...
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    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

    The latter if it was supposed to be for projects to find accommodation for the homeless. Though this story totally kills any future prospects of Sturgeon using an 'evil Tories' narrative when it seems her own relative is one. CUCA have now expelled him
    'Atrrgh, a distant relative by marriage is a Tory ****, I can no longer comment on other Tory ****s!'

    Lol.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027

    Mr. Quidder, also, giga seems to have changed from a soft to a hard G (Doc Brown in Back to the Future refers to 'jiga-watts').

    BTTF is the only place I've heard that pronunciation...
    According to wikipedia (fount of all knowledge) it was a common pronunciation in the states in the 60s-80s. There was even an official guide for the pronunciation issued by the US National Bureau of Standards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga-
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited February 2017
    Dave Rubin has interviewed Flemming Rose (the guy who 10 years published the Mohammad cartoons in Denmark). First two parts are up, with the discussion ranging from the back story those cartoons through to his thoughts on forthcoming elections in Europe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUXvtoBhUo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfeH1Xl2iqM
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: LabLords leader Baroness Smith: "Lords, as always, will challenge/scrutinise legislation put before us; if necessary will pass amendments"..

    @faisalislam: B. Smith: "we will not be cowed by threats of abolition or flooding place with 100s of new Tory Peers. stakes too high & we'll do our duty.”

    Committing hari-kiri.


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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    Indeed that's clearly supposed to be a hard-G and it even stands for Graphics which is a hard-G so that the inventor wants it to be pronounced like the now-renamed cleaning chemical is just silly.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    "Please do not scrape the goat"

    "If we need an escape goat..." Troy Barnes
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    Scott_P said:
    The Speaker should surely have the confidence of the whole house. If he wins the no confidence vote but with a clearly-divided house then he should follow Thatcher's footsteps and resign..
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
    I've never heard that, what's it supposed to mean?

    I do dislike journalists who use "piece" to mean "article", "story" or "column".
    It's 'across the piste'. Even like that it's not very clear. I'm with Churchill on word choice.
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    Mr. Thompson, 'should'.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Scott_P said:
    He asked for it. He will survive the vote I suspect but it may wound him beyond repair. The House deserves someone less enamoured of themselves than Bercow.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    'Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddderrrrrrr'

    So when does this NC motion get heard ?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    Yes, and yes. It really raises my hackles when I hear "click" for "clique".
    'Across the piece'.

    My bugbear.
    I've never heard that, what's it supposed to mean?

    I do dislike journalists who use "piece" to mean "article", "story" or "column".
    It's 'across the piste'. Even like that it's not very clear. I'm with Churchill on word choice.
    I always liked Len Deighton's definition of an intellectual: "someone who uses 1 big word when 6 little ones would do."
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/829745897697329152

    Conservative MP James Duddridge has tabled a motion of no confidence against Speaker of the House of Commons John Bercow

    Bercexit?

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    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sp she's the good one on the family I guess.
    And ?

    I hope Guido judges everyone by their aunts, uncles and cousins.
    It is a complete non story isn't it? Sad that there are such repulsive reprobates in the world but no fault of Nicola's (and its not often I will say that).

    So which is worse? Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person, or burning through millions of pounds of taxpayers money in failed government spending?

    Ethical question for the day.

    The latter if it was supposed to be for projects to find accommodation for the homeless. Though this story totally kills any future prospects of Sturgeon using an 'evil Tories' narrative when it seems her own relative is one. CUCA have now expelled him
    'Atrrgh, a distant relative by marriage is a Tory ****, I can no longer comment on other Tory ****s!'

    Lol.
    I've heard Sturgeon speak of her English family members, this is the first I've heard of the Irish branch. Shame it was in such an embarassing context.
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    Pulpstar said:

    'Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddderrrrrrr'

    So when does this NC motion get heard ?

    The Commons standing orders don't seem to include a procedure for such a motion. Therefore, I assume, it's up to the Speaker.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    Has a speaker ever had a motion of no confidence tabled before ?

    In fact did Bercow himself have one put up by Hague or was that something else ?
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    It's supposed to be an analogy with genes, though, and is coined to rhyme with them. So that pronunciation makes a lot more sense,
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    If the government cannot win a motion of no confidence against the Speaker (and it is obviously for their benefit that such a motion would be made), surely they'd have done better to ensure one was not moved? Even if they vote for Bercow or mass abstain, most of those who vote against him will be Tories, hardly endearing them to a man already showing he wants to hit the government when he feels he can.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/829748320822247424

    I have heard of Long-Bailey solely because of the leadership speculation over the last week.

    The other three are all mysteries worthy of Toyah.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited February 2017
    Meanwhile Corbyn shuffles his deckchairs...

    @jessicaelgot: Angela Eagle, Clive Lewis and Rebecca Long-Bailey have all now held the shadow business secretary job under Corbyn. Spot the pattern...

    @PolhomeEditor: Labour MP: "I've just had to google two of our latest appointments to the shadow cabinet."
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036

    https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/829748320822247424

    I have heard of Long-Bailey solely because of the leadership speculation over the last week.

    The other three are all mysteries worthy of Toyah.

    Add them to the goldmine:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.120629096
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Rebecca Long-Bailey (spoken of as potential Corbyn successor from the left)

    Wasn't that what they said of Lewis?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Has a speaker ever had a motion of no confidence tabled before ?

    In fact did Bercow himself have one put up by Hague or was that something else ?

    Yes. Douglas Carswell tabled a motion of no confidence in Michael Martin but Martin resigned before it could be debated.

    Edit. And such a motion was apparently carried in 1695.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Duddridge: "He can no longer reasonably chair as Speaker, this is the straw that broke the camels back." Confirms motion gone down.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Has a speaker ever had a motion of no confidence tabled before ?

    In fact did Bercow himself have one put up by Hague or was that something else ?

    Martin quit before a motion of no confidence (which he knew he'd lose) could be tabled, I believe.

    Hague's one for Bercow was to force a secret ballot at the start of the then next, now current parliament.
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    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.

    Is that because having done an early shift for breakfast time interviews, Jezza has taken the afternoon off to make some jam?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.

    Who would they be replaced with? I'm serious, surely they're running out of viable MPs now?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,027
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: Duddridge: "He can no longer reasonably chair as Speaker, this is the straw that broke the camels back." Confirms motion gone down.

    Should I order some popcorn?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Can it be long before Corbyn offers a place in the shadow cabinet to Caroline Lucas?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.

    Who would they be replaced with? I'm serious, surely they're running out of viable MPs now?
    Well, he could start going through the Lords :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.

    Who would they be replaced with? I'm serious, surely they're running out of viable MPs now?
    Well, he could start going through the Lords :D
    Or the ghosts of great comrades past.
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    Corbyn appears to be following Tony Blair’s custom of swapping his front bench every month.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Well, he could start going through the Lords :D

    Is Shamy not already in the shadow cabinet?
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    geoffw said:

    .

    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    And Linux.
    In the originator's country it is "Leenux"
    It is linux with a short i almost everywhere now. Americans used to pronounce it with a long i because that is how they pronounce the name Linus (eg Linus in Peanuts or Linus Pauling the chemist with two Nobel prizes) but thanks to Youtube and Linus Torvalds moving to the US and speaking at conferences, Americans have largely changed to short i linux. There is probably a degree thesis in there somewhere for a student of linguistics.
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    Is a no confidence motion decided by public or secret ballot?
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    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Labour say decision on whether the 14 frontbench Article 50 rebels will be disciplined will be announced tomorrow.

    Who would they be replaced with? I'm serious, surely they're running out of viable MPs now?
    Well, he could start going through the Lords :D
    Or the ghosts of great comrades past.
    An Ed of Doncaster is awaiting the call...
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:
    illegal under current rules.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Durridge must know he has "some" numbers.

    Clearly, and it seems fairly clear from the press report that the number is not 326. So the question is what number he thinks he needs to unseat the Speaker. Would 200 be enough?
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    geoffw said:

    .

    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.

    I would pronounce it as you do. The real question is how do you pronounce "meme". I've got no clue!
    Ditto – “meme” I pronounce it me me, American podcasts I listen to say ‘meeem’ - most odd.
    In my head I hear it as "mem" (rhymes with pen)
    Richard Dawkins, who invented the term in The Selfish Gene, said that it rhymes with cream.
    The inventor of a word doesn't always get the final say, though, otherwise we'd have to pronounce GIF stupidly.
    And Linux.
    In the originator's country it is "Leenux"
    It is linux with a short i almost everywhere now. Americans used to pronounce it with a long i because that is how they pronounce the name Linus (eg Linus in Peanuts or Linus Pauling the chemist with two Nobel prizes) but thanks to Youtube and Linus Torvalds moving to the US and speaking at conferences, Americans have largely changed to short i linux. There is probably a degree thesis in there somewhere for a student of linguistics.
    How Americans think that Nissan is pronounced as Neeeeeeeeeeesan is beyond me.
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