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    BevC - people would agree, if only they had the time to stop and think. Cucumbers are fifty pence for heavens' sake.

    Indeed

    --- Mushroom soup for two ---

    250g chestnut mushrooms £1
    100g onion 10p (ish)
    sprig of Thyme 10p ish
    one clove garlic 1p
    nob of butter

    Cost £1.21 (ish), defo less than £1.50 for two people, 20 mins inc prep


    Use a medium size pot (15 - 20cm across)

    Fry the garlic and onions in the butter until golden. Chop the mushrooms quite small and add to the onions and garlic and mix well. Add the thyme and just cover the whole lot with boiling water and leave to simmer for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Blend with a hand blender until smooth and add salt and pepper to suit your taste. If you need to thicken it then mix 1 tsp of cornflour with one tbsp of water and stir into the soup.



    My other half is very into soup-making at the moment. He needs assistance with some of the prepping so I am getting some hands-on experience too.

    His most recent effort is celeriac and apple, and very nice it is too.
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCJonSopel: Extraordinary. Sen Blumenthal says Judge #Gorsuch explicitly wanted his concerns about @realDonaldTrump attacks on judiciary made public

    Is there a market on Gorsuch being confirmed, then overturning Trump's ban (and maybe some other stuff) ?

    Judges have always complained about politicians, and vice Versace.

    The GOP in the Senate are more than happy with Gorsuch as an SC nominee, is it actually possible for his nomination to be rescinded at this stage?
    Vice Versace is an awesome typo
    Indeed so. Damn you, iPad autocorrect. ;)
    It is the most frustrating about owning an iPad/iPhone, their auto-correct doesn't seem to recognise Latin as a language.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,040

    I'm sure someone will call this being bitchy not racist

    Conservative official suspended over 'racist' tweet aimed at Diane Abbott

    Alan Pearmain, deputy chairman of the South Ribble Conservative Association, shared a tweet that portrayed the shadow home secretary as an ape

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/09/alan-pearmain-conservative-official-suspended-over-racist-tweet-aimed-at-diane-abbott?CMP=share_btn_tw

    At least he'll save on his membership fee each year.
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    PlatoSaid said:
    Racist????

    I grew up in Belfast when the whole city centre was ringed by a barrier to counter terrorism. There was nothing racist about it, they searched everybody. We were all treated with equal suspicion.
    the seventies

    oh happy days

    hoax bombscares during exam time was another favourite
    We should ban Irish visitors to mainland Britain until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552


    BevC - people would agree, if only they had the time to stop and think. Cucumbers are fifty pence for heavens' sake.

    Indeed

    --- Mushroom soup for two ---

    250g chestnut mushrooms £1
    100g onion 10p (ish)
    sprig of Thyme 10p ish
    one clove garlic 1p
    nob of butter

    Cost £1.21 (ish), defo less than £1.50 for two people, 20 mins inc prep


    Use a medium size pot (15 - 20cm across)

    Fry the garlic and onions in the butter until golden. Chop the mushrooms quite small and add to the onions and garlic and mix well. Add the thyme and just cover the whole lot with boiling water and leave to simmer for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Blend with a hand blender until smooth and add salt and pepper to suit your taste. If you need to thicken it then mix 1 tsp of cornflour with one tbsp of water and stir into the soup.



    My other half is very into soup-making at the moment. He needs assistance with some of the prepping so I am getting some hands-on experience too.

    His most recent effort is celeriac and apple, and very nice it is too.
    Most recipes these days go swimmingly until it comes to the "take a pinch of southernwood..." moment then you give up and resolve to buy only M&S Supa-Redi-Dinner experiences from there on in.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,044
    Ishmael_Z said:


    BevC - people would agree, if only they had the time to stop and think. Cucumbers are fifty pence for heavens' sake.

    Indeed

    --- Mushroom soup for two ---

    250g chestnut mushrooms £1
    100g onion 10p (ish)
    sprig of Thyme 10p ish
    one clove garlic 1p
    nob of butter

    Cost £1.21 (ish), defo less than £1.50 for two people, 20 mins inc prep


    Use a medium size pot (15 - 20cm across)

    Fry the garlic and onions in the butter until golden. Chop the mushrooms quite small and add to the onions and garlic and mix well. Add the thyme and just cover the whole lot with boiling water and leave to simmer for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Blend with a hand blender until smooth and add salt and pepper to suit your taste. If you need to thicken it then mix 1 tsp of cornflour with one tbsp of water and stir into the soup.



    Handmade soup always seems to me not worth the effort. I once made tomato soup; it took what felt like 48 hours, and was indistinguishable from Heinz.
    Mrs Sandpit does make an awesome chicken soup. But it does have half a kilo of chicken in it for a litre of soup :)
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    TOPPING said:


    BevC - people would agree, if only they had the time to stop and think. Cucumbers are fifty pence for heavens' sake.

    Indeed

    --- Mushroom soup for two ---

    250g chestnut mushrooms £1
    100g onion 10p (ish)
    sprig of Thyme 10p ish
    one clove garlic 1p
    nob of butter

    Cost £1.21 (ish), defo less than £1.50 for two people, 20 mins inc prep


    Use a medium size pot (15 - 20cm across)

    Fry the garlic and onions in the butter until golden. Chop the mushrooms quite small and add to the onions and garlic and mix well. Add the thyme and just cover the whole lot with boiling water and leave to simmer for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Blend with a hand blender until smooth and add salt and pepper to suit your taste. If you need to thicken it then mix 1 tsp of cornflour with one tbsp of water and stir into the soup.



    My other half is very into soup-making at the moment. He needs assistance with some of the prepping so I am getting some hands-on experience too.

    His most recent effort is celeriac and apple, and very nice it is too.
    Most recipes these days go swimmingly until it comes to the "take a pinch of southernwood..." moment then you give up and resolve to buy only M&S Supa-Redi-Dinner experiences from there on in.
    That's where my other half excels. He's got a natural gift for herbing and spicing.

    I don't understand it at all and he can't understand why I don't find it easy.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    The problem is not the price of the ingredients, it's the can't-be-arsed, don't-know-how attitude.

    Laziness is expensive.

    And possibly don't-have-the-kitchen-equipment as well.

    One pot. One knife. One blender. If you chop fine enough you can skip the hand blender.

    You need families and social networks that can teach you to cook, pick up the skills, and dispel some of the fears.

    School lessons, guides, brownies, scouts, Youtube, cookbooks... knowing how to feed yourself should be part of everyone's education.

    On top of all of that is motivation: many people get stuck because they can't be motivated to move, work, cook, learn or exercise for anything or anyone unless it delivers them instant gratification.

    True enough. I am certainly motivated by salty, fatty, mostly orange, MSG, microwave food - motivated to avoid it.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited February 2017
    Sandpit said:


    Mrs Sandpit does make an awesome chicken soup. But it does have half a kilo of chicken in it for a litre of soup :)

    Yes, but it is AWESOME.... :)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,817
    edited February 2017

    The problem is not the price of the ingredients, it's the can't-be-arsed, don't-know-how attitude.

    Laziness is expensive.

    And possibly don't-have-the-kitchen-equipment as well.

    One pot. One knife. One blender. If you chop fine enough you can skip the hand blender.

    You need families and social networks that can teach you to cook, pick up the skills, and dispel some of the fears.

    School lessons, guides, brownies, scouts, Youtube, cookbooks... knowing how to feed yourself should be part of everyone's education.

    On top of all of that is motivation: many people get stuck because they can't be motivated to move, work, cook, learn or exercise for anything or anyone unless it delivers them instant gratification.

    True enough. I am certainly motivated by salty, fatty, mostly orange, MSG, microwave food - motivated to avoid it.
    I don't think you're the problem Beverley!

    It might be old-fashioned and socially conservative to say so but, Iike so many things, it starts with family and one's wider social network, strong communities and a strong civic society.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    We should ban Irish visitors to mainland Britain until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

    Do not be so silly... you need someone to dig your canals and build your railways...
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Continuing the discussion about Brexit and agriculture:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e22c9d5c-e95c-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

    Good news for the workers:

    "Farms and food producers are having to compete harder for a shrinking pool of workers. One poultry farmer said he had raised wages by 15 per cent. Pete Taylor, operations director at recruitment firm Encore Personnel, which supplies labour to the food industry, is laying on minibuses to bring in staff to pick and process food in Spalding, Lincolnshire, from the wider surrounding area.

    “Over Christmas, one company said that out of 500 workers on one particular shift, they were about 200 short,” he said. “It’s the aftermath panic of Brexit, and people are running for the hills. They’re certainly not running for the Fens, which is where we need them.” "

    However, on the subject of not-at-all-xenophobic Britain:

    "Nick Houghton, managing director of a food manufacturing company in Nottingham, relies on EU staff to fill 75 per cent of his workforce and complains that the atmosphere has become increasingly hostile.

    “Staff have said to me they don’t talk on the phone on the bus any more because they don’t want people to hear them speaking Polish. That’s despicable in my view,” he said.

    Mr Houghton scoffs when asked why he can’t find local workers to fill the gaps. “There isn’t a pool of unemployed workers sitting there waiting for the EU workers to go back, ready and able to take up these jobs,” he said."

    I'm not surprised, there are so many parts of the arable industry addicted to cheap, seasonal labour.
    There are so many UK consumers addicted to cheap food prices.
    If we leave the EU and CAP, we'll get those from global food imports.

    The problem may be UK consumers expecting *British* farm produce to be ultra cheap.

    In reality, in the long-term, it will move into value-added, higher-end products and maize/corn/basic root veg will be a niche organic market in the UK, and not a mass one.
    Organic is 1.4% of the uk food and drink market (and grew 4.9% in 2015)

    https://www.soilassociation.org/certification/market-research-and-data/the-organic-market-report/

    It's nice to think it will continue to grow, but as you say it's niche and destined to stay that way.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    My other half is very into soup-making at the moment. He needs assistance with some of the prepping so I am getting some hands-on experience too.

    His most recent effort is celeriac and apple, and very nice it is too.

    Excellent.

    I am thinking of adapting my Mushy Peas recipe to make Pea and Ham soup
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    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_Z said:


    Handmade soup always seems to me not worth the effort. I once made tomato soup; it took what felt like 48 hours, and was indistinguishable from Heinz.

    That's tomatoes for you... why do you think I used mushrooms in the recipe?
    If you're willing to do your own preparation and cooking, you can indeed eat well quite cheaply.
    HelloFresh is the answer.

    Albeit, a slightly pricey one.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Tim Young
    Remember when Chuck Schumer said, "Once you elect a President, he deserves his choices to run the executive branch"? I do.

    h/t @yidwithlid https://t.co/Ufv4GIHbjq
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    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    from pt on agriculture:

    Robotics will shortly do away with the need for manual labour on the land. At least for arable and vegetable. Herding cows and sheep may take a while longer.

    It's a fair way away. It's going to be hugely capital intensive. Existing farm machinery is in total £1m+ and we're talking doubling or tripling that.
    Also consumer don't like damaged fruit, and it's tough to make robotic pickers (especially for soft fruits) that don't damage the crop. You could automatic harvesters and other equipment, but not sure the saving will be huge as you'd need to manually drive them from field to field.
    Who's to say what a good looking carrot looks like.
    The EU?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552

    The problem is not the price of the ingredients, it's the can't-be-arsed, don't-know-how attitude.

    Laziness is expensive.

    And possibly don't-have-the-kitchen-equipment as well.

    One pot. One knife. One blender. If you chop fine enough you can skip the hand blender.

    You need families and social networks that can teach you to cook, pick up the skills, and dispel some of the fears.

    School lessons, guides, brownies, scouts, Youtube, cookbooks... knowing how to feed yourself should be part of everyone's education.

    On top of all of that is motivation: many people get stuck because they can't be motivated to move, work, cook, learn or exercise for anything or anyone unless it delivers them instant gratification.

    True enough. I am certainly motivated by salty, fatty, mostly orange, MSG, microwave food - motivated to avoid it.
    I don't think you're the problem Beverley!

    It might be old-fashioned and socially conservative to say so but, Iike so many things, it starts with family and one's wider social network, strong communities and a strong civic society.
    Sounds like the type of communities that some on here are all for banning from the UK.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Continuing the discussion about Brexit and agriculture:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e22c9d5c-e95c-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

    Good news for the workers:

    "Farms and food producers are having to compete harder for a shrinking pool of workers. One poultry farmer said he had raised wages by 15 per cent. Pete Taylor, operations director at recruitment firm Encore Personnel, which supplies labour to the food industry, is laying on minibuses to bring in staff to pick and process food in Spalding, Lincolnshire, from the wider surrounding area.

    “Over Christmas, one company said that out of 500 workers on one particular shift, they were about 200 short,” he said. “It’s the aftermath panic of Brexit, and people are running for the hills. They’re certainly not running for the Fens, which is where we need them.” "

    However, on the subject of not-at-all-xenophobic Britain:

    "Nick Houghton, managing director of a food manufacturing company in Nottingham, relies on EU staff to fill 75 per cent of his workforce and complains that the atmosphere has become increasingly hostile.

    “Staff have said to me they don’t talk on the phone on the bus any more because they don’t want people to hear them speaking Polish. That’s despicable in my view,” he said.

    Mr Houghton scoffs when asked why he can’t find local workers to fill the gaps. “There isn’t a pool of unemployed workers sitting there waiting for the EU workers to go back, ready and able to take up these jobs,” he said."

    I'm not surprised, there are so many parts of the arable industry addicted to cheap, seasonal labour.
    There are so many UK consumers addicted to cheap food prices.
    If we leave the EU and CAP, we'll get those from global food imports.

    The problem may be UK consumers expecting *British* farm produce to be ultra cheap.

    In reality, in the long-term, it will move into value-added, higher-end products and maize/corn/basic root veg will be a niche organic market in the UK, and not a mass one.
    Organic is 1.4% of the uk food and drink market (and grew 4.9% in 2015)

    https://www.soilassociation.org/certification/market-research-and-data/the-organic-market-report/

    It's nice to think it will continue to grow, but as you say it's niche and destined to stay that way.
    Because it's effing expensive.
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    I wonder if Gove is going to quit being an MP and become editor of The Times

    https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/829698044568489986
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    TOPPING said:

    The problem is not the price of the ingredients, it's the can't-be-arsed, don't-know-how attitude.

    Laziness is expensive.

    And possibly don't-have-the-kitchen-equipment as well.

    One pot. One knife. One blender. If you chop fine enough you can skip the hand blender.

    You need families and social networks that can teach you to cook, pick up the skills, and dispel some of the fears.

    School lessons, guides, brownies, scouts, Youtube, cookbooks... knowing how to feed yourself should be part of everyone's education.

    On top of all of that is motivation: many people get stuck because they can't be motivated to move, work, cook, learn or exercise for anything or anyone unless it delivers them instant gratification.

    True enough. I am certainly motivated by salty, fatty, mostly orange, MSG, microwave food - motivated to avoid it.
    I don't think you're the problem Beverley!

    It might be old-fashioned and socially conservative to say so but, Iike so many things, it starts with family and one's wider social network, strong communities and a strong civic society.
    Sounds like the type of communities that some on here are all for banning from the UK.
    Lost me..
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,044

    TOPPING said:


    BevC - people would agree, if only they had the time to stop and think. Cucumbers are fifty pence for heavens' sake.

    Indeed

    --- Mushroom soup for two ---

    250g chestnut mushrooms £1
    100g onion 10p (ish)
    sprig of Thyme 10p ish
    one clove garlic 1p
    nob of butter

    Cost £1.21 (ish), defo less than £1.50 for two people, 20 mins inc prep


    Use a medium size pot (15 - 20cm across)

    Fry the garlic and onions in the butter until golden. Chop the mushrooms quite small and add to the onions and garlic and mix well. Add the thyme and just cover the whole lot with boiling water and leave to simmer for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Blend with a hand blender until smooth and add salt and pepper to suit your taste. If you need to thicken it then mix 1 tsp of cornflour with one tbsp of water and stir into the soup.



    My other half is very into soup-making at the moment. He needs assistance with some of the prepping so I am getting some hands-on experience too.

    His most recent effort is celeriac and apple, and very nice it is too.
    Most recipes these days go swimmingly until it comes to the "take a pinch of southernwood..." moment then you give up and resolve to buy only M&S Supa-Redi-Dinner experiences from there on in.
    That's where my other half excels. He's got a natural gift for herbing and spicing.

    I don't understand it at all and he can't understand why I don't find it easy.
    Hey, you should enjoy those sort of domestic arguments, after everything that's gone before. :)
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    I wonder if Gove is going to quit being an MP and become editor of The Times

    ttps://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/829698044568489986

    Not if he is scooped by the FT on his own interview with Trump.
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    Good afternoon, everyone.

    It's me, your leader, Morris J Dancer. I have the best afternoons, believe me.

    We're making PB great again, people. It's true. For too long there's been no tips. But once the F1 season comes back, we're gonna win so hard, have so many winning tips. You know some people don't back my F1 tips? Sad!

    But it's 2017, and there are so many more tips to come. We're gonna to build a book, folks. And the bookies are gonna pay for it.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,554

    TOPPING said:


    BevC - people would agree, if only they had the time to stop and think. Cucumbers are fifty pence for heavens' sake.

    Indeed

    --- Mushroom soup for two ---

    250g chestnut mushrooms £1
    100g onion 10p (ish)
    sprig of Thyme 10p ish
    one clove garlic 1p
    nob of butter

    Cost £1.21 (ish), defo less than £1.50 for two people, 20 mins inc prep


    Use a medium size pot (15 - 20cm across)

    Fry the garlic and onions in the butter until golden. Chop the mushrooms quite small and add to the onions and garlic and mix well. Add the thyme and just cover the whole lot with boiling water and leave to simmer for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Blend with a hand blender until smooth and add salt and pepper to suit your taste. If you need to thicken it then mix 1 tsp of cornflour with one tbsp of water and stir into the soup.



    My other half is very into soup-making at the moment. He needs assistance with some of the prepping so I am getting some hands-on experience too.

    His most recent effort is celeriac and apple, and very nice it is too.
    Most recipes these days go swimmingly until it comes to the "take a pinch of southernwood..." moment then you give up and resolve to buy only M&S Supa-Redi-Dinner experiences from there on in.
    That's where my other half excels. He's got a natural gift for herbing and spicing.

    I don't understand it at all and he can't understand why I don't find it easy.
    You need one of these:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FGMZCQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    It's me, your leader, Morris J Dancer. I have the best afternoons, believe me.

    We're making PB great again, people. It's true. For too long there's been no tips. But once the F1 season comes back, we're gonna win so hard, have so many winning tips. You know some people don't back my F1 tips? Sad!

    But it's 2017, and there are so many more tips to come. We're gonna to build a book, folks. And the bookies are gonna pay for it.

    *crowd go wild*.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,552

    TOPPING said:

    The problem is not the price of the ingredients, it's the can't-be-arsed, don't-know-how attitude.

    Laziness is expensive.

    And possibly don't-have-the-kitchen-equipment as well.

    One pot. One knife. One blender. If you chop fine enough you can skip the hand blender.

    You need families and social networks that can teach you to cook, pick up the skills, and dispel some of the fears.

    School lessons, guides, brownies, scouts, Youtube, cookbooks... knowing how to feed yourself should be part of everyone's education.

    On top of all of that is motivation: many people get stuck because they can't be motivated to move, work, cook, learn or exercise for anything or anyone unless it delivers them instant gratification.

    True enough. I am certainly motivated by salty, fatty, mostly orange, MSG, microwave food - motivated to avoid it.
    I don't think you're the problem Beverley!

    It might be old-fashioned and socially conservative to say so but, Iike so many things, it starts with family and one's wider social network, strong communities and a strong civic society.
    Sounds like the type of communities that some on here are all for banning from the UK.
    Lost me..
    Well immigrant communities generally display many if not all of the characteristics you just listed as important (for soup-making in that instance).
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCJonSopel: Extraordinary. Sen Blumenthal says Judge #Gorsuch explicitly wanted his concerns about @realDonaldTrump attacks on judiciary made public

    Is there a market on Gorsuch being confirmed, then overturning Trump's ban (and maybe some other stuff) ?

    Judges have always complained about politicians, and vice Versace.

    The GOP in the Senate are more than happy with Gorsuch as an SC nominee, is it actually possible for his nomination to be rescinded at this stage?
    Vice Versace is an awesome typo
    Sandpit was Chanelling Clive Lewis with that one. Dior your own research!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Continuing the discussion about Brexit and agriculture:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e22c9d5c-e95c-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

    Good news for the workers:

    "Farms and food producers are having to compete harder for a shrinking pool of workers. One poultry farmer said he had raised wages by 15 per cent. Pete Taylor, operations director at recruitment firm Encore Personnel, which supplies labour to the food industry, is laying on minibuses to bring in staff to pick and process food in Spalding, Lincolnshire, from the wider surrounding area.

    “Over Christmas, one company said that out of 500 workers on one particular shift, they were about 200 short,” he said. “It’s the aftermath panic of Brexit, and people are running for the hills. They’re certainly not running for the Fens, which is where we need them.” "

    However, on the subject of not-at-all-xenophobic Britain:

    "Nick Houghton, managing director of a food manufacturing company in Nottingham, relies on EU staff to fill 75 per cent of his workforce and complains that the atmosphere has become increasingly hostile.

    “Staff have said to me they don’t talk on the phone on the bus any more because they don’t want people to hear them speaking Polish. That’s despicable in my view,” he said.

    Mr Houghton scoffs when asked why he can’t find local workers to fill the gaps. “There isn’t a pool of unemployed workers sitting there waiting for the EU workers to go back, ready and able to take up these jobs,” he said."

    I'm not surprised, there are so many parts of the arable industry addicted to cheap, seasonal labour and to the fact that their workforces lingua franca is not English.
    If it's over Christmas, they are probably working on poultry processing, which is a notoriously unpleasant job. (One of my friends runs a large poultry company - the first thing he does when any investment banker comes begging for business is take them on a tour of a facility. Surprising how many of them never come back... ;)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    Gordon Brown. Popular chap.

    Way more than he deserves.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_Z said:


    Handmade soup always seems to me not worth the effort. I once made tomato soup; it took what felt like 48 hours, and was indistinguishable from Heinz.

    That's tomatoes for you... why do you think I used mushrooms in the recipe?
    If you're willing to do your own preparation and cooking, you can indeed eat well quite cheaply.
    HelloFresh is the answer.

    Albeit, a slightly pricey one.
    Hello Fresh is very good, but you can prepare decent meals far more cheaply than that. Things like chicken livers in tomato sauce, soups, chicken or pork fried rice, pasta can all be prepared cheaply.
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    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773
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    Mr. Eagles, four letters would be more appropriate than six.

    *sighs* Some people are just wretched.

    Mr. M, I have the wildest crowds. So wild, they love my words. They love being on the winning team.
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    Cookie said:

    Continuing the discussion about Brexit and agriculture:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e22c9d5c-e95c-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539


    I'm not surprised, there are so many parts of the arable industry addicted to cheap, seasonal labour.
    There are so many UK consumers addicted to cheap food prices.
    There are so many UK consumers addicted to being able to afford to live. We're not buying cheap food out of some desperate lower-middle-class lack of style, we're buying cheap food because the modern UK is so eye-wateringly expensive that it's the only way we can get by. We're spending less as a percentage of our income on food than our parents - and on transport - but far, far more on housing, and probably more on childcare costs.

    But anyway - I agree - agricultural products are astonishingly cheap. I don't understand how I can get a bag or carrots for about 40p. When you think of the costs involved in logistics (i.e. from the farm to the vegetable depot in Lincolnshire, to the Tesco depot, from the Tesco depot to the store, employing the people to load/unload them at either end) and marketing them (putting them on the shelf, paying for Tesco to actually operate a store and run a company), how much does a carrot cost when it comes out of the ground - 1p? 2p? Surely no more than 5p? How on earth can it be economically possible to grow and pick such things? Even if the armies of Estonians were giving their labour free for the sheer joy of extracting vegetables from the loamy soils of Lincolnshire, I can't see how the model works.

    Supermarkets grind farms down to supplying produce at next to no return, then take a hit themselves to get people through the door in the knowledge they will buy higher margin goods alongside the staples.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,728
    edited February 2017

    Mr. Eagles, four letters would be more appropriate than six.

    *sighs* Some people are just wretched.

    Mr. M, I have the wildest crowds. So wild, they love my words. They love being on the winning team.

    If he's not on your list to blasted into the heart of the sun....
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    Continuing the discussion about Brexit and agriculture:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e22c9d5c-e95c-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

    Good news for the workers:

    "Farms and food producers are having to compete harder for a shrinking pool of workers. One poultry farmer said he had raised wages by 15 per cent. Pete Taylor, operations director at recruitment firm Encore Personnel, which supplies labour to the food industry, is laying on minibuses to bring in staff to pick and process food in Spalding, Lincolnshire, from the wider surrounding area.

    “Over Christmas, one company said that out of 500 workers on one particular shift, they were about 200 short,” he said. “It’s the aftermath panic of Brexit, and people are running for the hills. They’re certainly not running for the Fens, which is where we need them.” "

    However, on the subject of not-at-all-xenophobic Britain:

    "Nick Houghton, managing director of a food manufacturing company in Nottingham, relies on EU staff to fill 75 per cent of his workforce and complains that the atmosphere has become increasingly hostile.

    “Staff have said to me they don’t talk on the phone on the bus any more because they don’t want people to hear them speaking Polish. That’s despicable in my view,” he said.

    Mr Houghton scoffs when asked why he can’t find local workers to fill the gaps. “There isn’t a pool of unemployed workers sitting there waiting for the EU workers to go back, ready and able to take up these jobs,” he said."

    I'm not surprised, there are so many parts of the arable industry addicted to cheap, seasonal labour and to the fact that their workforces lingua franca is not English.

    Isn't that because British consumers demand cheap food? If we were willing to pay more for what we buy at the supermarkets, presumably higher wages could be paid and agricultural work would become a more attractive option to Brits. Employing someone year round when you only need them for a few months each year is a big cost.

    First law of economics is that supply equals demand.

    The consumers are only able to demand what suppliers are able to supply. If suppliers stop supplying cheap food, consumers will stop being able to demand it. To expect consumers to unilaterally demand expensive food defies all economics (unless its for something specific like consumers buying free range eggs).

    The relationship is not between farmers and consumers. The big supermarkets are the intermediary. Farms that have invested in plant and machinery are not in a position to go on strike. They have bills to pay.

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    Mr. Observer, it's not a good situation. The recent milk experiment does suggest there's public desire to spend a little more to help support farmers. I wonder if something more could be done along those lines (particularly offline, farmers clubbing together to sell produce more directly).
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444741/jonathan-chait-book-obama-audacity-review-ben-domenech

    "This is an author’s nightmare: to spend years building the momentum of an idea for a book, researching and writing said book, consulting on key points with friends and associates, dealing with agents and editors and all the rigors of the publishing process — only to have your book arrive just as its central thesis is dashed against the sharp rocks of reality...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,312
    Russia has bombed Turkish forces in Syria, killing 3.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
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    Mr. Glenn, well, the situation was in danger of looking like it might stabilise...
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    Surely he was just wanting to illuminate the baby barbecue?
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,438
    Charles said:

    Continuing the discussion about Brexit and agriculture:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e22c9d5c-e95c-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

    Good news for the workers:

    "Farms and food producers are having to compete harder for a shrinking pool of workers. One poultry farmer said he had raised wages by 15 per cent. Pete Taylor, operations director at recruitment firm Encore Personnel, which supplies labour to the food industry, is laying on minibuses to bring in staff to pick and process food in Spalding, Lincolnshire, from the wider surrounding area.

    “Over Christmas, one company said that out of 500 workers on one particular shift, they were about 200 short,” he said. “It’s the aftermath panic of Brexit, and people are running for the hills. They’re certainly not running for the Fens, which is where we need them.” "

    However, on the subject of not-at-all-xenophobic Britain:

    "Nick Houghton, managing director of a food manufacturing company in Nottingham, relies on EU staff to fill 75 per cent of his workforce and complains that the atmosphere has become increasingly hostile.

    “Staff have said to me they don’t talk on the phone on the bus any more because they don’t want people to hear them speaking Polish. That’s despicable in my view,” he said.

    Mr Houghton scoffs when asked why he can’t find local workers to fill the gaps. “There isn’t a pool of unemployed workers sitting there waiting for the EU workers to go back, ready and able to take up these jobs,” he said."

    I'm not surprised, there are so many parts of the arable industry addicted to cheap, seasonal labour and to the fact that their workforces lingua franca is not English.
    If it's over Christmas, they are probably working on poultry processing, which is a notoriously unpleasant job. (One of my friends runs a large poultry company - the first thing he does when any investment banker comes begging for business is take them on a tour of a facility. Surprising how many of them never come back... ;)
    Charles

    If I remember you mentioned the Hailshams a few days ago.

    I note that Charlotte Hogg, daughter of the current Viscount is to be a deputy governor of the Bank of England.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charlotte-hogg-appointed-new-deputy-governor-markets-and-banking

    That family is certainly part of the British establishment!

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    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_Z said:


    Handmade soup always seems to me not worth the effort. I once made tomato soup; it took what felt like 48 hours, and was indistinguishable from Heinz.

    That's tomatoes for you... why do you think I used mushrooms in the recipe?
    If you're willing to do your own preparation and cooking, you can indeed eat well quite cheaply.
    I think the best food advice of all time for remaining healthy was:
    1. Eat food
    2. Eat meals
    3. Don't snack
    It's astonishing what a high % of so many people's eating habits fall outside of that simple dictum.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444741/jonathan-chait-book-obama-audacity-review-ben-domenech

    "This is an author’s nightmare: to spend years building the momentum of an idea for a book, researching and writing said book, consulting on key points with friends and associates, dealing with agents and editors and all the rigors of the publishing process — only to have your book arrive just as its central thesis is dashed against the sharp rocks of reality...

    The complaint being that the author is refuting *left-wing* attacks on Obama, and wrote that Trump was preferable to Rubio and Cruz?
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    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    I hated the Bullingdon - and Brasenose's knock-off - with all my heart. More than anythign else with which I have had personal contact.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    The relationship is not between farmers and consumers. The big supermarkets are the intermediary. Farms that have invested in plant and machinery are not in a position to go on strike. They have bills to pay.

    Which is why my brother-in-law no longer has a dairy herd and solid all his dairy equipment. He now rents his land.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If he's not on your list to blasted into the heart of the sun....

    MD has been outed as a Lib Dem...

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/829671166075875328
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    weejonnie said:

    Even Trump can't save Tw@tter....

    The social networking service reported a loss of $167m (£133m) in the final three months of 2016, as against $90m in the same period a year earlier.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920856

    And then twitter goes and alienates 25% of its users. Maybe the liberals will eventually realise that opening their mouths and pouring forth vitriol now has consequences.
    Chortle.

    https://twitter.com/laudreport/status/827513421587431425

    https://twitter.com/richardhine/status/829513758800232448
    In december its stock price reached 61.49 - it is now 45.15 - and falling back.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nordstrom+share+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=04mcWOmTF83W8gegwK6IDQ
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    Awkward...

    BBC - President Vladimir Putin has apologised after a Russian air strike accidentally killed three Turkish soldiers in northern Syria, Turkey says.

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    Folks, don't listen to Scott_P. What he says is fake news.

    Everyone knows I have the best artillery. My guns are so big. Lib Dems jealous of my man-cannon. Sad!
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    weejonnie said:

    weejonnie said:

    Even Trump can't save Tw@tter....

    The social networking service reported a loss of $167m (£133m) in the final three months of 2016, as against $90m in the same period a year earlier.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920856

    And then twitter goes and alienates 25% of its users. Maybe the liberals will eventually realise that opening their mouths and pouring forth vitriol now has consequences.
    Chortle.

    https://twitter.com/laudreport/status/827513421587431425

    https://twitter.com/richardhine/status/829513758800232448
    In december its stock price reached 61.49 - it is now 45.15 - and falling back.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nordstrom+share+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=04mcWOmTF83W8gegwK6IDQ
    Well trying to shift all that Trump tat is hard work...
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,241
    Off-topic:

    Dutch elections to be hand-counted after security of electronic systems thrown into doubt.

    http://www.osnews.com/story/29647/Fearful_of_hacking_Dutch_will_count_ballots_by_hand
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    Mr. Jessop, I hope that helps stop the Speaker's daft idea for electronic voting to happen here. It's foolish, unnecessary and unsafe.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Observer, it's not a good situation. The recent milk experiment does suggest there's public desire to spend a little more to help support farmers. I wonder if something more could be done along those lines (particularly offline, farmers clubbing together to sell produce more directly).

    http://enjoymilk.co.uk/
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    You Had One Job
    Trolling level: Expert. https://t.co/IEjxrUGg3Y
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    Mr. Llama, saw that on your Twitter feed.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    I hated the Bullingdon - and Brasenose's knock-off - with all my heart. More than anythign else with which I have had personal contact.
    As a died in the wool Tory, it's probably the only thing that makes me see the attraction of Bolshevism.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,044
    Jobabob said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCJonSopel: Extraordinary. Sen Blumenthal says Judge #Gorsuch explicitly wanted his concerns about @realDonaldTrump attacks on judiciary made public

    Is there a market on Gorsuch being confirmed, then overturning Trump's ban (and maybe some other stuff) ?

    Judges have always complained about politicians, and vice Versace.

    The GOP in the Senate are more than happy with Gorsuch as an SC nominee, is it actually possible for his nomination to be rescinded at this stage?
    Vice Versace is an awesome typo
    Sandpit was Chanelling Clive Lewis with that one. Dior your own research!
    LOL :D
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    weejonnie said:

    weejonnie said:

    Even Trump can't save Tw@tter....

    The social networking service reported a loss of $167m (£133m) in the final three months of 2016, as against $90m in the same period a year earlier.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920856

    And then twitter goes and alienates 25% of its users. Maybe the liberals will eventually realise that opening their mouths and pouring forth vitriol now has consequences.
    Chortle.

    https://twitter.com/laudreport/status/827513421587431425

    https://twitter.com/richardhine/status/829513758800232448
    In december its stock price reached 61.49 - it is now 45.15 - and falling back.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nordstrom+share+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=04mcWOmTF83W8gegwK6IDQ
    Or, in fact, going up since you scrabbled up that link.

    Any comment on senior Trump spokesnumpty Conway using her government appointed position to pimp Ivanka's crap?
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,875

    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    I hated the Bullingdon - and Brasenose's knock-off - with all my heart. More than anythign else with which I have had personal contact.
    I would go as far as to say my university's equivalent, their associated hangers on and that portion of public school types who operated a kind of apartheid (separate bars, separate subjects, wilful ignorance of life beyond their kind) and the correlation between those who ran the student conservatives and precisely those people who set themselves as most separate, colours my view to this day of how the Conservative party can never truly represent or understand me, wherever it positions itself on the left/right spectrum. And far more so than growing up in a Labour heartland in the 80s ever did.

    Yes, it is something of a visceral class thing, but there you have it.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,312

    Mr. Observer, it's not a good situation. The recent milk experiment does suggest there's public desire to spend a little more to help support farmers. I wonder if something more could be done along those lines (particularly offline, farmers clubbing together to sell produce more directly).

    http://enjoymilk.co.uk/
    image
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited February 2017

    Off-topic:

    Dutch elections to be hand-counted after security of electronic systems thrown into doubt.

    http://www.osnews.com/story/29647/Fearful_of_hacking_Dutch_will_count_ballots_by_hand

    After 30 years in the IT industry I can most definitely assert that elections should never be carried out electronically.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Pro_Rata said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    I hated the Bullingdon - and Brasenose's knock-off - with all my heart. More than anythign else with which I have had personal contact.
    I would go as far as to say my university's equivalent, their associated hangers on and that portion of public school types who operated a kind of apartheid (separate bars, separate subjects, wilful ignorance of life beyond their kind) and the correlation between those who ran the student conservatives and precisely those people who set themselves as most separate, colours my view to this day of how the Conservative party can never truly represent or understand me, wherever it positions itself on the left/right spectrum. And far more so than growing up in a Labour heartland in the 80s ever did.

    Yes, it is something of a visceral class thing, but there you have it.
    I was at Durham in the lates 70's/early 80s, and there was very little correlation between the Ra's and the University Conservatives.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Scott_P said:
    He'll need one.

    Oh, not that ring....
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,312
    https://twitter.com/ft/status/829699245607354368

    Gove didn't mention that part...
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    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCJonSopel: Extraordinary. Sen Blumenthal says Judge #Gorsuch explicitly wanted his concerns about @realDonaldTrump attacks on judiciary made public

    Is there a market on Gorsuch being confirmed, then overturning Trump's ban (and maybe some other stuff) ?

    Judges have always complained about politicians, and vice Versace.

    The GOP in the Senate are more than happy with Gorsuch as an SC nominee, is it actually possible for his nomination to be rescinded at this stage?
    Vice Versace is an awesome typo
    I told a customer yesterday that I had a POD (courier proof of delivery) to send to him, but only after reversing my phone's autocorrect, which wanted me to say "I have a PhD"...
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    weejonnie said:

    weejonnie said:

    Even Trump can't save Tw@tter....

    The social networking service reported a loss of $167m (£133m) in the final three months of 2016, as against $90m in the same period a year earlier.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920856

    And then twitter goes and alienates 25% of its users. Maybe the liberals will eventually realise that opening their mouths and pouring forth vitriol now has consequences.
    Chortle.

    https://twitter.com/laudreport/status/827513421587431425

    https://twitter.com/richardhine/status/829513758800232448
    In december its stock price reached 61.49 - it is now 45.15 - and falling back.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nordstrom+share+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=04mcWOmTF83W8gegwK6IDQ
    Is this what the President of the United States should do with his time?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960

    RoyalBlue said:

    What a tosser.

    Exclusive: Cambridge student in white tie burns cash in front of homeless person. He was a member of the Conservative Association at the time

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2017/02/09/exclusive-cambridge-student-white-tie-burns-cash-front-homeless-person-88773

    That used to be (and probably still is) part of the initiation for the Bullingdon Club.

    Hopefully he'll be expelled from the party and association for life.
    I hated the Bullingdon - and Brasenose's knock-off - with all my heart. More than anythign else with which I have had personal contact.
    The Phoenix? Was that meant to be a knock off Buller?

    Not even a pound shop version, from my experience.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited February 2017
    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.
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    Trump....Murdoch...Gove....catnip overload....
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited February 2017

    Is this what the President of the United States should do with his time?

    Well... he could follow the examples set by many of his predecessors and start a war somewhere. All that ordinance in the armouries needs disposing of on a regular cycle before it becomes unstable, and think of the boost to manufacturing jobs as they make new weapons to replace the ones they use up.

    It mean jobs. REAL NEWS.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    felix said:

    twitter.com/UK__News/status/829704395575148546/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Malc G is gonna go ape.

    Fake news.. he said it "could" have been due to a sampling error. :p

    http://www.businessinsider.com/scottish-independence-bmg-poll-sampling-error-behind-bmg-poll-putting-support-on-49-2017-2
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    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Mr Bishop said he fired Mr Lewis as a political reporter because he failed a basic political general knowledge test – and he made no effort to get a job as a presenter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319039/Ex-BBC-boss-accused-keeping-former-presenter-screen-racist-reasons-hits-insisting-Labour-MP-fired-political-dunce.html

    I believe PB's "local man on the spot" added the other day that when he was demoted to basically tea boy he was still paid the same salary.

    So I guess technically demoted, as still had a job there.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was black

    Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.

    EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
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    Sky and BBC on an all day marathon of disaster that is the NHS. Journalist feading doctors with inviting and helpful suggestions and every statistic indicating the end of the NHS.

    There are serious problems in the NHS and in particular with the lack of joined up thinking with Social care but I fail to see how it is helped by journalists and cameras being use to distract staff working and generally getting in their way.

    Interesting that the NHS does not feature in the 10 most popular stories on the BBC web page.

    The MSM are running the risk of making the NHS a 'switch off' story and doing the opposite of what they are trying to achieve. They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Awkward...

    BBC - President Vladimir Putin has apologised after a Russian air strike accidentally killed three Turkish soldiers in northern Syria, Turkey says.

    Those Russians have long memories ...
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    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Mr Bishop said he fired Mr Lewis as a political reporter because he failed a basic political general knowledge test – and he made no effort to get a job as a presenter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319039/Ex-BBC-boss-accused-keeping-former-presenter-screen-racist-reasons-hits-insisting-Labour-MP-fired-political-dunce.html

    I believe PB's "local man on the spot" added the other day that when he was demoted to basically tea boy he was still paid the same salary.

    So I guess technically demoted, as still had a job there.

    His resignation letter is undoubtedly a shocker.

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,222

    Sky and BBC on an all day marathon of disaster that is the NHS. Journalist feading doctors with inviting and helpful suggestions and every statistic indicating the end of the NHS.

    There are serious problems in the NHS and in particular with the lack of joined up thinking with Social care but I fail to see how it is helped by journalists and cameras being use to distract staff working and generally getting in their way.

    Interesting that the NHS does not feature in the 10 most popular stories on the BBC web page.

    The MSM are running the risk of making the NHS a 'switch off' story and doing the opposite of what they are trying to achieve. They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse

    Every time they say "NHS" without saying "in England" should result in a fine to the broadcaster.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Mr Bishop said he fired Mr Lewis as a political reporter because he failed a basic political general knowledge test – and he made no effort to get a job as a presenter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319039/Ex-BBC-boss-accused-keeping-former-presenter-screen-racist-reasons-hits-insisting-Labour-MP-fired-political-dunce.html

    I believe PB's "local man on the spot" added the other day that when he was demoted to basically tea boy he was still paid the same salary.

    So I guess technically demoted, as still had a job there.

    His resignation letter is undoubtedly a shocker.

    Not that any of the parties are suffering from an overabundance of the highly educated, Labour have suffered particular hard as many of the Blairites have jumped ship.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    I wonder if Gove is going to quit being an MP and become editor of The Times

    https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/829698044568489986

    Given his column is an immediate scroll past, one hopes not.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,040
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was black

    Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.

    EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
    Definite BAME under-representation there.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @helenpidd: To Labour supporters who still think Jeremy Corbyn is an electoral asset: come to Copeland.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was black

    Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.

    EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
    Definite BAME under-representation there.
    Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,399
    edited February 2017

    They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse

    You should probably get in touch with your pro brexit, anti independence, life-long SNP member in-law for some on the the ground info. Or just go to the BBC.

    'It comes as official NHS figures for December show that 86.2% of A&E patients in England were dealt with in under four hours.
    December A&E figures for Scotland are much higher at 92.6% while Wales and Northern Ireland's figures are lower than England's.'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38907492

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543

    Sky and BBC on an all day marathon of disaster that is the NHS. Journalist feading doctors with inviting and helpful suggestions and every statistic indicating the end of the NHS.

    There are serious problems in the NHS and in particular with the lack of joined up thinking with Social care but I fail to see how it is helped by journalists and cameras being use to distract staff working and generally getting in their way.

    Interesting that the NHS does not feature in the 10 most popular stories on the BBC web page.

    The MSM are running the risk of making the NHS a 'switch off' story and doing the opposite of what they are trying to achieve. They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse

    In fairness "the chilling truth about ketchup" is a biggie.
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    They must cover NHS issues but day after day they only have the one story and it is almost always the catastrophe that is the English NHS, rather than the Welsh and Scots NHS which are worse

    You should probably get in touch with your pro brexit, anti independence, life-long SNP member in-law for some on the the ground info.

    'It comes as official NHS figures for December show that 86.2% of A&E patients in England were dealt with in under four hours.
    December A&E figures for Scotland are much higher at 92.6% while Wales and Northern Ireland's figures are lower than England's.'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38907492

    All NHS's are under serious strain and need a new cross party consensus to apply joined up innovative thinking and the merging of social care.

    By the way see Nicola is failing again, this time on education. Time she did her day job instead of living on fantasy islsnd
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    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Clive Lewis has published his resignation letter, complete with the authentic spelling mistakes you'd expect from someone tipped as a future Labour leader:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/09/corbyn-dismisses-claims-he-has-set-date-for-resigning-as-fake-news-politics-live

    13:41

    Didn't the BBC sack him for being a crap journalist?
    Nooooo...its was because the BBC are a load of racists*.

    * According to Clive.

    Not sure the BBC did sack him, did they?

    Sorry you are right. They didn't promote him because he was crap, and he said it was because he was black

    Maybe Regional BBC News try to reflect their audience. My regional news is BBC London and they seem to do that pretty well, intentionally or not.

    EastEnders, on the other hand, is the most racist programme on tv in terms of accurately reflecting the local population
    Definite BAME under-representation there.
    Yes I find that quite incredible. The lack of offence taken by the people who wanted (the far more accurate) Midsomer Murders producer hung, drawn and quartered is bewildering.
    I saw an episode of Midsomer Murders the other week in which the local MP character was an female Asian. As Midsomer can only be a rock-solid Tory constituency, she was presumably one of Dave's A-Listers.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited February 2017

    weejonnie said:

    weejonnie said:

    Even Trump can't save Tw@tter....

    The social networking service reported a loss of $167m (£133m) in the final three months of 2016, as against $90m in the same period a year earlier.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920856

    Chortle.

    https://twitter.com/laudreport/status/827513421587431425

    https://twitter.com/richardhine/status/829513758800232448
    In december its stock price reached 61.49 - it is now 45.15 - and falling back.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nordstrom+share+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=04mcWOmTF83W8gegwK6IDQ
    Is this what the President of the United States should do with his time?
    What he does with his time is his own concern - and if the American people thinks he has been abusing it then they can kick him out in 2020.

    PS - if you want to know who to boycott then http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts/boycottslist.aspx has a list - but I think you won't find any companies that the right are boycotting there - they are mainly anti-Israel related boycotts..

    here is a list of companies that trump opponents are boycotting.

    Nordstrom’s
    TJ Maxx
    Stein Mart
    Trump Golf Courses
    Trump Hotels
    Dillard’s
    Neiman Marcus
    DSW
    Hudson Bay
    Macy’s
    Lord & Taylor
    Marshalls
    Bed, Bath & Beyond
    Bloomingdale’s
    Blue Fly
    6 p.m.com
    Belk.com
    Bon-Ton
    Century 21 Department Store
    Burlington Coat Factory
    Carson’s
    DSW
    HSN
    Jet

    And a list that trump supporters are encouraged to boycott


    Pepsico
    MACY'S
    Amazon - owned by Jeff Bezos
    The NFL - this is a big one but has been requested multiple times. Any opposition?
    GrubHub (CEO is a total cuck) and their subsidiary, Seamless
    OREOS (moved production to Mexico)
    CARRIER Air Conditioning (moved production to Mexico)
    Moz
    Dreamworks
    Netflix - spreads propaganda for Al Qaeda
    Lifeway Foods - CEO Julie Smolyansky trashed President Trump.
    PacketSled *
    ConAgra - they're closing up and moving to MEXICO
    Comet Ping Pong, Besta Pizza, Terasol, Politics and Prose and Beyond Borders - see r/pizzagate
    Required mention: social media such as Facebook, Google, Twitter, Imgur, YouTube - all censored pro-Trump stuff. If you use these to post pro-Trump stuff, weigh the benefits. Trump did use SM to win the election.
    Disney - they're cucked and many are clamoring for them to be added.
    Ben & Jerry's for supporting BLM
    Starbucks (by popular demand)
    Dell

    (Looks bad for Macy's)
    I assume Nordstrom's will be transferred over to the supporters list from the opponents list.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    weejonnie said:

    What he does with his time is his own concern - and if the American people thinks he has been abusing it then they can kick him out in 2020.

    The concern is what he is doing on what is not "his own time". He tweeted about Nordstrom during what his official schedule said was a National Security briefing
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    By the way see Nicola is failing again, this time on education. Time she did her day job instead of living on fantasy islsnd

    But she DOES live in the UK.....

    :):):):):)
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,352
    Mr P,

    "To Labour supporters who still think Jeremy Corbyn is an electoral asset: come to Copeland."

    Surely he's played a blinder for Stoke, though. Pushing through Brexit should scupper Ukip and guarantee a Labour hold?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    Scott_P said:
    Similar to the ones he Commons voted down. Can't see them getting passed them when it comes back.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: LabLords leader Baroness Smith: "Lords, as always, will challenge/scrutinise legislation put before us; if necessary will pass amendments"..

    @faisalislam: B. Smith: "we will not be cowed by threats of abolition or flooding place with 100s of new Tory Peers. stakes too high & we'll do our duty.”
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    Thirty minutes into podcast, and a pronunciation matter makes me want to raise a question.

    Do other PBers pronounce 'clique' as 'cleek'? [I do].

    'Click' always sounds American to me.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    weejonnie said:

    weejonnie said:
    Is this what the President of the United States should do with his time?
    What he does with his time is his own concern - and if the American people thinks he has been abusing it then they can kick him out in 2020.

    PS - if you want to know who to boycott then http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts/boycottslist.aspx has a list - but I think you won't find any companies that the right are boycotting there - they are mainly anti-Israel related boycotts..

    here is a list of companies that trump opponents are boycotting.

    Nordstrom’s
    TJ Maxx
    Stein Mart
    Trump Golf Courses
    Trump Hotels
    Dillard’s
    Neiman Marcus
    DSW
    Hudson Bay
    Macy’s
    Lord & Taylor
    Marshalls
    Bed, Bath & Beyond
    Bloomingdale’s
    Blue Fly
    6 p.m.com
    Belk.com
    Bon-Ton
    Century 21 Department Store
    Burlington Coat Factory
    Carson’s
    DSW
    HSN
    Jet

    And a list that trump supporters are encouraged to boycott


    Pepsico
    MACY'S
    Amazon - owned by Jeff Bezos
    The NFL - this is a big one but has been requested multiple times. Any opposition?
    GrubHub (CEO is a total cuck) and their subsidiary, Seamless
    OREOS (moved production to Mexico)
    CARRIER Air Conditioning (moved production to Mexico)
    Moz
    Dreamworks
    Netflix - spreads propaganda for Al Qaeda
    Lifeway Foods - CEO Julie Smolyansky trashed President Trump.
    PacketSled *
    ConAgra - they're closing up and moving to MEXICO
    Comet Ping Pong, Besta Pizza, Terasol, Politics and Prose and Beyond Borders - see r/pizzagate
    Required mention: social media such as Facebook, Google, Twitter, Imgur, YouTube - all censored pro-Trump stuff. If you use these to post pro-Trump stuff, weigh the benefits. Trump did use SM to win the election.
    Disney - they're cucked and many are clamoring for them to be added.
    Ben & Jerry's for supporting BLM
    Starbucks (by popular demand)
    Dell

    (Looks bad for Macy's)
    I assume Nordstrom's will be transferred over to the supporters list from the opponents list.
    Some people, possibly quite a few, have way too much time on their hands.
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