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On this week’s PB / Polling Matters podcast we unveiled some new data courtesy of Opinium. Respondents were asked whether they agreed or disagreed with 6 statements related to Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. By subtracting the number that disagreed with each statement from the number that agreed we could create a ‘net agree’ score for analysis purposes. The results made grim reading for Labour. May trounced Corbyn overall on a range of measures from strength, capability and electability and also being likeable and ‘in touch’ with people’s concerns too.

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Nigelb

First ?

Sunil_Prasannan

Second like Labour

Nigelb

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Second like Labour

But for how long ?

dr_spyn

Going forth like Labour.

tlg86

JICWNBPM

Scrapheap_as_was

Blimey - that's one of the weirdest ends to a tennis game I've ever seen. Hope the umpire is ok..... the Canadian kid absolutely mullered the ball in to his eye.

rcs1000

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

NewsTaker

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Scott_P

NewsTaker said:

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Take Back Control

Parliamentary Sovereignty

oh, wait...

So what’s bugging them? Why do they, the winners, keep lashing out whenever one of the losers doubts or questions their plans? You can almost see the veins standing out on their necks as they rail against the people who didn’t win the referendum.

tlg86

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

foxinsoxuk

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/828159701007351808

NewsTaker

Scott_P said:

NewsTaker said:

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Take Back Control

Parliamentary Sovereignty

oh, wait...

So what’s bugging them? Why do they, the winners, keep lashing out whenever one of the losers doubts or questions their plans? You can almost see the veins standing out on their necks as they rail against the people who didn’t win the referendum.

You need to lie down with a radio times and pick fluff from your navel.

rcs1000

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

Charles

Scott_P said:

NewsTaker said:

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Take Back Control

Parliamentary Sovereignty

oh, wait...

So what’s bugging them? Why do they, the winners, keep lashing out whenever one of the losers doubts or questions their plans? You can almost see the veins standing out on their necks as they rail against the people who didn’t win the referendum.

You know precisely why: enough of the losers have threatened to try and overturn the decision without consulting the people. They have won the prize they never expected to do and wish to ensure that it is converted into reality.

Charles

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-servicemen, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

PAl?

Ishmael_Z

Scott_P said:

NewsTaker said:

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Take Back Control

Parliamentary Sovereignty

oh, wait...

So what’s bugging them? Why do they, the winners, keep lashing out whenever one of the losers doubts or questions their plans? You can almost see the veins standing out on their necks as they rail against the people who didn’t win the referendum.

You are repeating yourself. Actually you aren't, you are repeating someone else - that is plagiarised from the Spectator. The convention for acknowledging quotation is by use of the aptly-named quotation marks, not italics. Thirdly you can't see the veins standing out on anyone's neck, because you are entirely a keyboard warrior. The more you go on about what an utter, vile and entirely foreseeable disaster the vote was, the more you invite the question: so what did you do about it? How many hours did you put in pounding the streets and manning the phone banks? How many hundreds of pounds did you donate to Remain? And because the answer is none, the subtext of every post on the subject you ever put up is: I am a lazy complacent apathetic waste of space, and this is all my fault.

Just saying.

kle4

Corbyn has seemed hamstrung by his own weakness and lack of support during the entirety of his leadership, it is in fact its defining quality. I guess eventually it will prove too much, but only a fool could say when given what he's survived so far.

franklyn

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Roger

foxinsoxuk said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/828159701007351808

Macron's easy to like. We don't know much about him but Europe could do with another charismatic leader to complement Merkel.

In the hypothetical case that the British economy tanks and Brexit is visibly reponsible and within a year of triggering article 50 it becomes obvious that this is happening.....

I wonder what the chances are that at that point the UK government would try to reverse the decision?

Scott_P

Ishmael_Z said:

you can't see the veins standing out on anyone's neck, because you are entirely a keyboard warrior.

I can see yours from here...

kle4

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

NewsTaker said:

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Take Back Control

Parliamentary Sovereignty

oh, wait...

So what’s bugging them? Why do they, the winners, keep lashing out whenever one of the losers doubts or questions their plans? You can almost see the veins standing out on their necks as they rail against the people who didn’t win the referendum.

You know precisely why: enough of the losers have threatened to try and overturn the decision without consulting the people. They have won the prize they never expected to do and wish to ensure that it is converted into reality.

That doesn't explain the hostility to every little quibble or doubt. Yes some are still trying to overturn and people worry about that, but to deny many leap over aggressively to any hint of even mere doubt would itself be untrue.

Sunil_Prasannan

[Princess Liz Kendall is escorted by Lord Livingstone into an audience with Grand Moff Corbyn]
Princess Liz: Governor Corbyn, I should have expected to find you holding Livingstone's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard.
Grand Moff Corbyn: Charming to the last. You don't know how hard I found it, signing the order to terminate your political career.
Princess Liz: [sarcastically] I'm surprised you had the courage to take the responsibility yourself.
Grand Moff Corbyn: Princess Liz, before your deselection, I would like to invite you to a ceremony that will make this progressive party operational. No Labour Stronghold will dare oppose the Corbynistas now.
Princess Liz: The more you tighten your grip, Corbyn, the more safe seats will slip through your fingers.
Grand Moff Corbyn: Not after we demonstrate the power of this policy. In a way, you have determined the choice of the constituency that is to be targeted first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the Rebel base, I have chosen to test our activists' destructive power on your home planet of Leicester.
Princess Liz: [shocked] No! Leicester is peaceful, we have no weapons. You can't possibly—
Grand Moff Corbyn: You would prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system! [stepping closer to Liz and pinning her against Darth Livingstone] I grow tired of asking this, so it will be the last time. Where is the Rebel base?
Princess Liz: [looks at view-screen showing Leicester for a moment, then, resigned] Derby. They're all on Derby.
Grand Moff Corbyn: There you see, Lord Livingstone? She can be reasonable. Proceed with the operation. You may fire when ready.
Princess Liz: [indignant] What?!
Grand Moff Corbyn: You're far too trusting. Derby is too remote to make an effective demonstration, but don't worry. We will deal with your rebel friends soon enough!
[Liz watches helplessly as Leftist activists descend on Leicester]

TheWhiteRabbit

Charles said:

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-servicemen, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

PAl?

... because France didn't have Tony Blair?

Unfortunately in terms of labour reform (in my view a big success for Blair) Macron wouldn't be so much of a step forward.

Charles

kle4 said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

NewsTaker said:

Mrs May needs to tell the tory rebels that if one or more amendments go through she will authorise all Associations to do a full reselection of existing MPs and then have a GE.

Take Back Control

Parliamentary Sovereignty

oh, wait...

So what’s bugging them? Why do they, the winners, keep lashing out whenever one of the losers doubts or questions their plans? You can almost see the veins standing out on their necks as they rail against the people who didn’t win the referendum.

You know precisely why: enough of the losers have threatened to try and overturn the decision without consulting the people. They have won the prize they never expected to do and wish to ensure that it is converted into reality.

That doesn't explain the hostility to every little quibble or doubt. Yes some are still trying to overturn and people worry about that, but to deny many leap over aggressively to any hint of even mere doubt would itself be untrue.

Loss aversion

Scott_P

kle4 said:

That doesn't explain the hostility to every little quibble or doubt. Yes some are still trying to overturn and people worry about that, but to deny many leap over aggressively to any hint of even mere doubt would itself be untrue.

After the EU referendum, a curious thing happened. The winners were neither happy, nor triumphant. The victory announcement by Boris Johnson was funereal, almost resentful. It was almost as though the campaigners had practised and perfected their “outsiders against the establishment” lines during the campaign, and once on the winning side had no script.

Sure enough, once the shock of the result dissipated, the sharp tone of the leave campaign returned to fill the vacuum. Any issues with Brexit were the fault of those who voted remain: they were “talking Britain down”, as if the pound’s depreciation were more sensitive to the chatter of negative remainers than to the seismic shock of a vote to leave the largest economic union on earth. Having gone through a polarising referendum and secured an unlikely victory, those on the winning side are still angry, angrier even than they were before.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/02/brexit-trump-populists-sore-winners-play-victim

RobD

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

foxinsoxuk

Roger said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/828159701007351808

Macron's easy to like. We don't know much about him but Europe could do with another charismatic leader to complement Merkel.

In the hypothetical case that the British economy tanks and Brexit is visibly reponsible and within a year of triggering article 50 it becomes obvious that this is happening.....

I wonder what the chances are that at that point the UK government would try to reverse the decision?

Not going to happen. We are out, and it will be a decade or so before we can have a more constructive relationship with Europe.

Malmesbury

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

Le Pen is the (ugly part of) the establishment, Macron is the fresh face.

RobD

Scott_P said:

kle4 said:

That doesn't explain the hostility to every little quibble or doubt. Yes some are still trying to overturn and people worry about that, but to deny many leap over aggressively to any hint of even mere doubt would itself be untrue.

After the EU referendum, a curious thing happened. The winners were neither happy, nor triumphant. The victory announcement by Boris Johnson was funereal, almost resentful. It was almost as though the campaigners had practised and perfected their “outsiders against the establishment” lines during the campaign, and once on the winning side had no script.

Sure enough, once the shock of the result dissipated, the sharp tone of the leave campaign returned to fill the vacuum. Any issues with Brexit were the fault of those who voted remain: they were “talking Britain down”, as if the pound’s depreciation were more sensitive to the chatter of negative remainers than to the seismic shock of a vote to leave the largest economic union on earth. Having gone through a polarising referendum and secured an unlikely victory, those on the winning side are still angry, angrier even than they were before.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/02/brexit-trump-populists-sore-winners-play-victim

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

Ishmael_Z

Scott_P said:

Ishmael_Z said:

you can't see the veins standing out on anyone's neck, because you are entirely a keyboard warrior.

I can see yours from here...

You really can't, Scotty, for reasons too numerous to go into. But to share just one of them with you, I voted remain.

Now come clean: how many hours? How much in donations?

MyBurningEars

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Charles said:

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-servicemen, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

PAl?

... because France didn't have Tony Blair?

Unfortunately in terms of labour reform (in my view a big success for Blair) Macron wouldn't be so much of a step forward.

@TWW,

Not sure if you saw before a couple of threads back I left a couple of replies to you. re nuclear armageddon. Hope you enjoyed your trip to Kelvedon Hatch!

FrancisUrquhart

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

He doesn't own the house, just renting it.

foxinsoxuk

Sunil_Prasannan said:

[Princess Liz Kendall is escorted by Lord Livingstone into an audience with Grand Moff Corbyn]
Princess Liz: Governor Corbyn, I should have expected to find you holding Livingstone's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard.
Grand Moff Corbyn: Charming to the last. You don't know how hard I found it, signing the order to terminate your political career.
Princess Liz: [sarcastically] I'm surprised you had the courage to take the responsibility yourself.
Grand Moff Corbyn: Princess Liz, before your deselection, I would like to invite you to a ceremony that will make this progressive party operational. No Labour Stronghold will dare oppose the Corbynistas now.
Princess Liz: The more you tighten your grip, Corbyn, the more safe seats will slip through your fingers.
Grand Moff Corbyn: Not after we demonstrate the power of this policy. In a way, you have determined the choice of the constituency that is to be targeted first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the Rebel base, I have chosen to test our activists' destructive power on your home planet of Leicester.
Princess Liz: [shocked] No! Leicester is peaceful, we have no weapons. You can't possibly—
Grand Moff Corbyn: You would prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system! [stepping closer to Liz and pinning her against Darth Livingstone] I grow tired of asking this, so it will be the last time. Where is the Rebel base?
Princess Liz: [looks at view-screen showing Leicester for a moment, then, resigned] Derby. They're all on Derby.
Grand Moff Corbyn: There you see, Lord Livingstone? She can be reasonable. Proceed with the operation. You may fire when ready.
Princess Liz: [indignant] What?!
Grand Moff Corbyn: You're far too trusting. Derby is too remote to make an effective demonstration, but don't worry. We will deal with your rebel friends soon enough!
[Liz watches helplessly as Leftist activists descend on Leicester]

Except that Corbyn has not made the slightest attempt to deselect, indeed he is keen for local CLPs to pick their own candidates. I cite both Stoke and Copeland, but all the byelections have been free of external influence.

Look to UKIP if you want to see infighting and candidates parachuted in.

Your conversion to the Darkside is troubling, but also doomed. The Dark side consumes souls.

Scott_P

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

https://twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

RobD

Scott_P said:

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

Notice I used the word after?

Scott_P

Ishmael_Z said:

I voted remain.

Ah, so it's your fault...

AndyJS

UK population fell between 1975 and 1978 and also in 1982:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/february2016

Maybe explains why so many ordinary people were able to afford to buy pretty good properties in the late 70s and early 80s. Lower demand = lower prices.

williamglenn

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

Notice I used the word after?

Gove has got his mojo back now:

williamglenn

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

Melenchon claims 12,000 at his event in Lyon today. The venue did look huge and was packed with people.

RobD

williamglenn said:

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

Notice I used the word after?

Gove has got his mojo back now:

Yes, this photo was indeed taken after the press conference.

Sunil_Prasannan

foxinsoxuk said:

Except that Corbyn has not made the slightest attempt to deselect, indeed he is keen for local CLPs to pick their own candidates. I cite both Stoke and Copeland, but all the byelections have been free of external influence.

Look to UKIP if you want to see infighting and candidates parachuted in.

Your conversion to the Darkside is troubling, but also doomed. The Dark side consumes souls.

Sunil: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the REMAINERS.

TSE: The REMAINERS use their power for good.

Sunil: Good is a point of view, Anakin, er, I mean TSE. The LEAVERS and the REMAINERS are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.

TSE: The LEAVERS rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.

Sunil: And the REMAINERS don't?

TSE: The REMAINERS are selfless... they only care about others.

Sunil: [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Smithson "the Wise"?

TSE: No.

Sunil: I thought not. It's not a story the LibDems would tell you. It's a Blogging legend. Darth Smithson was a Dark Lord of the Sith who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... AV threads. He had such a knowledge of the Daft Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying from boredom on Thursday Nights.

TSE: He could do that? He could actually save people from boring themselves to death?

Sunil: The Daft Side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.

TSE: What happened to him?

Sunil: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice wiped his servers' hard drives while he slept. It's ironic that he could save others from obscurity, but not himself.

TSE: Is it possible to learn this power?

Sunil: Not from a LibDem...

tlg86

AndyJS said:

UK population fell between 1975 and 1978 and also in 1982:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/february2016

Maybe explains why so many ordinary people were able to afford to buy pretty good properties in the late 70s and early 80s. Lower demand = lower prices.

You do know that bringing demand into the equation is a big no no when discussing the housing crisis?

Theuniondivvie

Huffy Brexit.

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/828374315431317506

RobD

Theuniondivvie said:

Huffy Brexit.

twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/828374315431317506

At least they actually went looking for legal advice... *innocent face*

brokenwheel

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

...and presumably has a whole graveyard in his closet.

AndyJS

tlg86 said:

AndyJS said:

UK population fell between 1975 and 1978 and also in 1982:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/february2016

Maybe explains why so many ordinary people were able to afford to buy pretty good properties in the late 70s and early 80s. Lower demand = lower prices.

You do know that bringing demand into the equation is a big no no when discussing the housing crisis?

Sorry, I forgot. Obviously, the fact that the population has risen by nearly 10 million over the last 20 years has nothing to do with high house prices.

Ishmael_Z

Scott_P said:

Ishmael_Z said:

I voted remain.

Ah, so it's your fault...

No, because I was in doubt which was the correct way to vote, and made my decision on the day itself and after consulting my 17 year old son. You were presumably not in doubt, so you had months in which to put your time and money where your mouth was. You did nothing.

foxinsoxuk

brokenwheel said:

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

...and presumably has a whole graveyard in his closet.

Which our Russian friends will happily make up if there is no real skeleton:

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/828311551425859588?s=09

Putin just loves Right wing nationalist demagogues. A rather risky stategy for his own country methinks, considering Russias experience of such demagogues in the past.

Sunil_Prasannan

williamglenn said:

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

Notice I used the word after?

Gove has got his mojo back now:

'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side
'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhpwwZzUryg

dixiedean

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

They haven't had a Blair type 3rd way figure though. The Gaullist Vichy Communist cleavages run very deep.

dixiedean

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

chestnut

rcs1000 said:

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

How many did Corbyn sign up? How successful has he been?

tlg86

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

RobD

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

So you are saying now is the time to go shopping?

Sunil_Prasannan

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

Member =/= voters...

foxinsoxuk

dixiedean said:

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

Unless the WWC start to get uppity and strike for job security and secure wages. Then the PB kippers lose interest. They have their Leave vote now, and can safely go back to the Golf club bar and make japes about cleaning behind the fridge and Bongo-bongo land.

dixiedean

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

Unless the WWC start to get uppity and strike for job security and secure wages. Then the PB kippers lose interest. They have their Leave vote now, and can safely go back to the Golf club bar and make japes about cleaning behind the fridge and Bongo-bongo land.

Was being sarcastic. Just for clarity in case it used as evidence against me.

Sunil_Prasannan

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

American Rugby!

foxinsoxuk

dixiedean said:

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

Unless the WWC start to get uppity and strike for job security and secure wages. Then the PB kippers lose interest. They have their Leave vote now, and can safely go back to the Golf club bar and make japes about cleaning behind the fridge and Bongo-bongo land.

Was being sarcastic. Just for clarity in case it used as evidence against me.

I realised the sarcasm.

The WWC (and the BME WC) will soon find out they have been shafted, as indeed will their US cousins.

Sunil_Prasannan

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

Unless the WWC start to get uppity and strike for job security and secure wages. Then the PB kippers lose interest. They have their Leave vote now, and can safely go back to the Golf club bar and make japes about cleaning behind the fridge and Bongo-bongo land.

Was being sarcastic. Just for clarity in case it used as evidence against me.

I realised the sarcasm.

The WWC (and the BME WC) will soon find out they have been shafted, as indeed will their US cousins.

'Course they will, Fox! 'Course they will!

Pong

Theuniondivvie said:

Huffy Brexit.

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/828374315431317506

Seriously?

The tory party have gone nuts. A conservative PM with authority would reprimand an MP for that comment.

The perils of a tiny majority....

dixiedean

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

Unless the WWC start to get uppity and strike for job security and secure wages. Then the PB kippers lose interest. They have their Leave vote now, and can safely go back to the Golf club bar and make japes about cleaning behind the fridge and Bongo-bongo land.

Was being sarcastic. Just for clarity in case it used as evidence against me.

I realised the sarcasm.

The WWC (and the BME WC) will soon find out they have been shafted, as indeed will their US cousins.

I understood that you did. Just making it clear for others...

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AndyJS said:

UK population fell between 1975 and 1978 and also in 1982:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/february2016

Maybe explains why so many ordinary people were able to afford to buy pretty good properties in the late 70s and early 80s. Lower demand = lower prices.

There are numerous reasons; we were still in the tail-end of the post-WWII housing builds, council house construction had peaked and was widely available, less social acceptance of divorce and single motherdom meant that fewer houses per person were required because of a greater couple/singleton ratio, and rampant 70's inflation and large wage inflation to match meant that mortgage payments became less onerous quickly.

I am not unsympathetic to the point-of-view that immigration is a cause of house price rises. But it is not the only cause and other factors are also important.

HYUFD

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/828386856437903360

HYUFD

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

More Cleggmania than Blair 1997 if you ask me, though I think he could be President I think he is 5 years' too early, the mood is not for a centrist, liberal Europhile at the moment and I still think Fillon will scrape past him to face Le Pen in the runoff helped by the pensioner vote

AndyJS

Sunil_Prasannan said:

williamglenn said:

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

Notice I used the word after?

Gove has got his mojo back now:

'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side
'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhpwwZzUryg

This was just shown on the latest Top of the Pops replay on BBC4. Do you watch the repeats usually? I do.

HYUFD

Roger said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/828159701007351808

Macron's easy to like. We don't know much about him but Europe could do with another charismatic leader to complement Merkel.

In the hypothetical case that the British economy tanks and Brexit is visibly reponsible and within a year of triggering article 50 it becomes obvious that this is happening.....

I wonder what the chances are that at that point the UK government would try to reverse the decision?

Zero, at the most we stay in the EEA we are never returning to the EU now

FrancisUrquhart

foxinsoxuk said:

brokenwheel said:

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

...and presumably has a whole graveyard in his closet.

Which our Russian friends will happily make up if there is no real skeleton:

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/828311551425859588?s=09

Putin just loves Right wing nationalist demagogues. A rather risky stategy for his own country methinks, considering Russias experience of such demagogues in the past.

Wonder what Putin has against David Beckham?

HYUFD

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

foxinsoxuk said:

dixiedean said:

RobD said:

franklyn said:

So how does Farage fund a £4million house in London?

Didn't he make a load in the City before becoming an MEP?

Naaaaaah. He's the authentic voice of the WWC.

Unless the WWC start to get uppity and strike for job security and secure wages. Then the PB kippers lose interest. They have their Leave vote now, and can safely go back to the Golf club bar and make japes about cleaning behind the fridge and Bongo-bongo land.

Was being sarcastic. Just for clarity in case it used as evidence against me.

I realised the sarcasm.

The WWC (and the BME WC) will soon find out they have been shafted, as indeed will their US cousins.

Are they though? At the moment May is committed to border control even if it means leaving the Single Market and Trump is building that wall with Mexico and has taken the US out of TPP which is more than enough for the WWC on both sides of the pond for now

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FrancisUrquhart said:

foxinsoxuk said:

brokenwheel said:

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

...and presumably has a whole graveyard in his closet.

Which our Russian friends will happily make up if there is no real skeleton:

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/828311551425859588?s=09

Putin just loves Right wing nationalist demagogues. A rather risky stategy for his own country methinks, considering Russias experience of such demagogues in the past.

Wonder what Putin has against David Beckham?

He looks better with his top off?

williamglenn

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/828159701007351808

Macron's easy to like. We don't know much about him but Europe could do with another charismatic leader to complement Merkel.

In the hypothetical case that the British economy tanks and Brexit is visibly reponsible and within a year of triggering article 50 it becomes obvious that this is happening.....

I wonder what the chances are that at that point the UK government would try to reverse the decision?

Zero, at the most we stay in the EEA we are never returning to the EU now

A year ago you were saying Trump had no chance because all the Hispanics would vote for Hillary.

Sunil_Prasannan

AndyJS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

williamglenn said:

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

RobD said:

I thought there was a party after that press conference, and that the sombre mode was due to Cameron's decision to step down?

This doesn't look like a party...

twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433

Notice I used the word after?

Gove has got his mojo back now:

'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side
'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhpwwZzUryg

This was just shown on the latest Top of the Pops replay on BBC4. Do you watch the repeats usually? I do.

I've seen quite a few repeats - always enter nostalgia overload whenever i do

FrancisUrquhart

Failing Falcons take the lead against the Trumpian Patriots.

HYUFD

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/828159701007351808

Macron's easy to like. We don't know much about him but Europe could do with another charismatic leader to complement Merkel.

In the hypothetical case that the British economy tanks and Brexit is visibly reponsible and within a year of triggering article 50 it becomes obvious that this is happening.....

I wonder what the chances are that at that point the UK government would try to reverse the decision?

Zero, at the most we stay in the EEA we are never returning to the EU now

A year ago you were saying Trump had no chance because all the Hispanics would vote for Hillary.

I never said Trump had no chance, certainly not in the final months and of course the Hispanics did all vote for Hillary which was why she won the popular vote. However given over 400 seats voted Leave there is no chance we will ever rejoin the EU now we are leaving it, at most in a decade or two we may rejoin the EEA though most likely we end up in some sort of Swiss style relationship but rejoining the EU? No chance and I doubt they would have us back now anyway

nunu

HYUFD said:

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/828386856437903360

People are really going to miss him aren't they........

swing_voter

Coming back to the topic - but it leaves me wondering whether there is a job description for leader of the Labour Party - I always thought it would be "to win elections".....now perhaps JC has a different interpretation, but I do not see an appetite or motivation for power. Or is that me being a bit cynical?

Philip_Thompson

Who doesn't know what Corbyn stands for?

I don't agree with what he stands for but I know where he stands more than most other politicians.

HYUFD

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/828386856437903360

People are really going to miss him aren't they........

Does not look like he has much time left sadly yes

MyBurningEars

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/828386856437903360

People are really going to miss him aren't they........

Following the terrible attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, Trump decided to join the US. Navy, so after graduating from Phillips Academy in 1942, he became a naval aviator at the age of 18. After completing the 10-month course, he was commissioned as an ensign in the United States Naval Reserve at Naval Air Station Corpus Christi on June 9, 1943, just three days before his 19th birthday - the youngest naval aviator to that date, which was huge.

He was assigned to Torpedo Squadron (VT-51) as the photographic officer in September 1943. The following year, his squadron was based on USS San Jacinto as a member of Air Group 51, where his lanky physique earned him the nickname "Skin". During this time, the task force was victorious in one of the largest and most tremendous air battles of World War II: the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

After Trump's promotion to Lieutenant (junior grade) on August 1, 1944, San Jacinto commenced operations against the Japanese in the Bonin Islands. Trump piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft - and he was good at piloting, believe me -from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichijima. His crew for the mission, which occurred on September 2, 1944, included Radioman Second Class John Delaney and Lieutenant Junior Grade William White. During their attack, the Avengers encountered intense anti-aircraft fire; Trump's aircraft was hit by flak and his engine caught on fire. Despite his plane being on fire, Trump completed his attack and released bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits. With his engine ablaze, Trump flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft; the other man's parachute did not open. Trump waited for four hours in an inflated raft, while several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine USS Finback. For the next month he remained on Finback, and participated in the rescue of other pilots. Several of those shot down during the attack were executed, their livers eaten by their captors.

Trump subsequently returned to San Jacinto in November 1944 and participated in operations in the Philippines until his squadron was replaced and sent home to the United States. Through 1944, he flew a tremendous 58 combat missions for which he received the Distinguished Flying Cross, three great Air Medals, and the beautiful Presidential Unit Citation awarded to San Jacinto.

Spot the deliberate mistake.

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nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/828386856437903360

People are really going to miss him aren't they........

He was a President of the United States who accurately understood what was necessary to win a war, took the time to assemble the forces necessary to do so, carried the international community along with him, fought the war so expeditiously they considered stopping early because the lopsided casualty ratio was embarrassing, identified a clean cutoff, executed it, and withdrew as victors in good time and order.

Damn right he'll be missed...

FrancisUrquhart

Trumpian Patriots taking one hell of a beating....

Sunil_Prasannan

viewcode said:

nunu said:

HYUFD said:

tlg86 said:

Bush Snr and Barbara at the Super Bowl!

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/828386856437903360

People are really going to miss him aren't they........

He was a President of the United States who accurately understood what was necessary to win a war, took the time to assemble the forces necessary to do so, carried the international community along with him, fought the war so expeditiously they considered stopping early because the lopsided casualty ratio was embarrassing, identified a clean cutoff, executed it, and withdrew as victors in good time and order.

Damn right he'll be missed...

And he was in Naked Gun

FrancisUrquhart

Loser lady gaga lipsyncing....let's make America sing live again!

tlg86

Game well and truly over.

fitalass

foxinsoxuk said:

brokenwheel said:

rcs1000 said:

tlg86 said:

rcs1000 said:

Lyon today: Le Pen addressed 1,400 at the launch of her candidacy. On the other side of town, Macron had a crowd of 8,000.

I'd have thought she'd have had more luck in blue collar Saint Etienne.

The Macron insurgency is extraordinary. The Front National has 84,000 members. En Marche has 175,000 - all gotten in a few months. He's pulling in extraordinary crowds at his rallies.

But I don't really get why. He's a slightly younger Tony Blair. An ex-Rothschild banker, who served under the most unpopular French President in history.

...and presumably has a whole graveyard in his closet.

Which our Russian friends will happily make up if there is no real skeleton:

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/828311551425859588?s=09

Putin just loves Right wing nationalist demagogues. A rather risky stategy for his own country methinks, considering Russias experience of such demagogues in the past.

Fox, totally agree, which is depressingly why Putin should not be underestimated.

MTimT

Not sure about Keiran's arithmetic - surely +86 for May means 93/7 not 88/2

FrancisUrquhart

Terrible decision by patriots.

fitalass

FPT. Mortimer - "Hilariously, Brexit has united the Tory party like never before and divided the other GB wide parties quite royally. The incompeteance of the left makes it likely that even, worst case scenario, a party who preside over disorderly exit would still be the most electable."

While the Political Lobby has dined out on the post Brexit splits in the Labour party, they have been curiously silent on the reasons for such an extremely united front being put up by the Conservative party. I wonder if that is down to the fact that so many journalists predicted irreparable splits within the Conservative party before the EU Ref?

Anyhoos, the level and bitterness of the splits on the left should not have been any surprise. even under the radar in the SNP up in Scotland. But one thing is certain, its that very unity in the Conservative party on Brexit that is now the driving boost behind both the Conservative Party and Mays very favourable polling in comparison to the Labour Opposition under Corbyn.

Very encouraging Panelbase poll today for the Scottish Conservatives in the lead up to local council elections. There is no doubt that we have incredible asset in our Leader Ruth Davidson, but don't be mislead by some Scottish posters on the previous thread who try to downplay the very motivated and talented team of MSP's she now leads at Holyrood. After disappearing off to the backbenches when he lost to Ruth Davidson, Murdo Fraser has now returned to the front benches. And boy has he found his mojo again, he has fast become a constant thorn in the side of the SNP Government at Holyrood along with Jackson Carlaw. Others to watch from the new intake are Professor Adam Tomkins, Annie Wells, Douglas Ross, Alexander Burnett and Ross Thomson to name a few.

The Scottish Conservative party at Holyrood also suffered a huge loss with the sudden death of Alex Johnstone. A passionate larger than life true blue Tory politician, and a vital component of our MSP base that helped sustained the party through the tough times of the early years New Labour and Devolution.

tlg86

Okay, game back on!

tlg86

What a catch by Edelman!

tlg86

Making Super Bowls great again!

MarqueeMark

Brexit....Trump.... Patriots in the Superbowl.......all back from the dead.

RobD

It's moments like these that remind me of this great Mitchell & Webb sketch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c

FrancisUrquhart

Greatest superbowl ever...will trump claim credit? Perhaps he called Tom at halftime to tell him all of america was behind him.

RobD

FrancisUrquhart said:

Greatest superbowl ever...will trump claim credit? Perhaps he called Tom at halftime to tell him all of america was behind him.

Didn't he say we had the best superbowls?

CarlottaVance

So much for Bregret:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/828457782596796417

rkrkrk

@MyBurningEars I think I saw an analysis which suggested the American people tend on average to choose the presidential candidate with the least impressive military record.

So Obama over McCain, GW over Kerry, Clinton over GHBush, Reagan over Carter... Etc.

Sandpit

Morning all. So it seems that the Great American kickball thingy might actually be worth watching this year. The one hour version, anyway.

fitalass

Sandpit said:

Morning all. So it seems that the Great American kickball thingy might actually be worth watching this year. The one hour version, anyway.

Lady Gaga was good... But as for the overlong game of American footie, lets just say that the Atlanta Falcons just become honoury members of many a Scotland team....

SimonStClare

Morning all.

Nice to see you posting again miss fitalass, hope all is well in Aberdeenshire.