Verhofstadt being ridiculously difficult on Newsnight and effectively demanding 50 billion euros to even get any form of deal, if Remoaners think their protests tonight against Trump are going to rush Brexit Britain back into the arms of him and Juncker they have another thing coming!
I thought Tessy's masterful use of Trump's patronage was putting the shits up the EU?
Oh right, that was this afternoon, an age ago.
Don't you believe it. The EU is in utter chaos arguing and bickering with each other, some very supportive of Trump and others not so. They are terrified he calls them out on building their own walls and their treatment of migrants. Merkel may take the moral high ground but it is not building bridges as she makes an enemy of Trump.
Reports tonight of Brussels considering a CETA+ deal for UK after 2 year transition
Far from harming the UK Trump is driving the EU into a deal and a good one
'Quebec City mosque attack suspect known for right-wing online posts
The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city’s activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.
Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, a student at Laval University who lived on a quiet crescent in the Cap-Rouge suburb of Quebec City, faces six counts of first-degree murder for a shooting that killed six people and wounded 19 others. Police initially arrested a person they considered a second suspect but they later backtracked, saying he was a witness.
Mr. Bissonnette’s online profile and school friendships revealed little interest in extremist politics until last March when French nationalist leader Marine Le Pen visited Quebec City and inspired Mr. Bissonnette to vocal extreme online activism, according to people who clashed with him.'
Verhofstadt being ridiculously difficult on Newsnight and effectively demanding 50 billion euros to even get any form of deal, if Remoaners think their protests tonight against Trump are going to rush Brexit Britain back into the arms of him and Juncker they have another thing coming!
I thought Tessy's masterful use of Trump's patronage was putting the shits up the EU?
Oh right, that was this afternoon, an age ago.
Don't you believe it. The EU is in utter chaos arguing and bickering with each other, some very supportive of Trump and others not so. They are terrified he calls them out on building their own walls and their treatment of migrants. Merkel may take the moral high ground but it is not building bridges as she makes an enemy of Trump.
Reports tonight of Brussels considering a CETA+ deal for UK after 2 year transition
Far from harming the UK Trump is driving the EU into a deal and a good one
My understanding is that the Belgian government - not the EU - has come out in favour of a two year EEA (Norway-esque) transition period, where (presumably) there would be limited freedom of movement, some budget contributions and only ECJ juristiction over single market issues. Which is exactly what the Swedish government came out in favour of a month ago.
Verhofstadt being ridiculously difficult on Newsnight and effectively demanding 50 billion euros to even get any form of deal, if Remoaners think their protests tonight against Trump are going to rush Brexit Britain back into the arms of him and Juncker they have another thing coming!
He's being bad cop. When it turns out the bill is us taking responsibility for the pensions of British MEPs and the small number of British Eurocrats and no actual money changes hands, Mrs May will get to claim victory, as will Mr V, who will say "we made them pay to leave!"
No doubt some compromise will eventually occur but his language tonight made it quite clear the negotiations will be as long and tortuous as expected
Verhofstadt being ridiculously difficult on Newsnight and effectively demanding 50 billion euros to even get any form of deal, if Remoaners think their protests tonight against Trump are going to rush Brexit Britain back into the arms of him and Juncker they have another thing coming!
I thought Tessy's masterful use of Trump's patronage was putting the shits up the EU?
Oh right, that was this afternoon, an age ago.
Don't you believe it. The EU is in utter chaos arguing and bickering with each other, some very supportive of Trump and others not so. They are terrified he calls them out on building their own walls and their treatment of migrants. Merkel may take the moral high ground but it is not building bridges as she makes an enemy of Trump.
Reports tonight of Brussels considering a CETA+ deal for UK after 2 year transition
Far from harming the UK Trump is driving the EU into a deal and a good one
My understanding is that the Belgian government - not the EU - has come out in favour of a two year EEA (Norway-esque) transition period, where (presumably) there would be limited freedom of movement, some budget contributions and only ECJ juristiction over single market issues. Which is exactly what the Swedish government came out in favour of a month ago.
I understood that they would then progress to CETA + in two years
'Quebec City mosque attack suspect known for right-wing online posts
The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city’s activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.
Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, a student at Laval University who lived on a quiet crescent in the Cap-Rouge suburb of Quebec City, faces six counts of first-degree murder for a shooting that killed six people and wounded 19 others. Police initially arrested a person they considered a second suspect but they later backtracked, saying he was a witness.
Mr. Bissonnette’s online profile and school friendships revealed little interest in extremist politics until last March when French nationalist leader Marine Le Pen visited Quebec City and inspired Mr. Bissonnette to vocal extreme online activism, according to people who clashed with him.'
Verhofstadt being ridiculously difficult on Newsnight and effectively demanding 50 billion euros to even get any form of deal, if Remoaners think their protests tonight against Trump are going to rush Brexit Britain back into the arms of him and Juncker they have another thing coming!
He's being bad cop. When it turns out the bill is us taking responsibility for the pensions of British MEPs and the small number of British Eurocrats and no actual money changes hands, Mrs May will get to claim victory, as will Mr V, who will say "we made them pay to leave!"
No doubt some compromise will eventually occur but his language tonight made it quite clear the negotiations will be as long and tortuous as expected
My point is simply that, just as it is the job of British government negotitatiors to claim that the UK has absolutely no ongoing obligations on exit, the EU will claim the exact opposite.
For all the hot air, that's exactly what I would expect my opposite number in a commercial negotiation to claim at the beginning of talks.
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
Verhofstadt being ridiculously difficult on Newsnight and effectively demanding 50 billion euros to even get any form of deal, if Remoaners think their protests tonight against Trump are going to rush Brexit Britain back into the arms of him and Juncker they have another thing coming!
I thought Tessy's masterful use of Trump's patronage was putting the shits up the EU?
Oh right, that was this afternoon, an age ago.
Don't you believe it. The EU is in utter chaos arguing and bickering with each other, some very supportive of Trump and others not so. They are terrified he calls them out on building their own walls and their treatment of migrants. Merkel may take the moral high ground but it is not building bridges as she makes an enemy of Trump.
Reports tonight of Brussels considering a CETA+ deal for UK after 2 year transition
Far from harming the UK Trump is driving the EU into a deal and a good one
My understanding is that the Belgian government - not the EU - has come out in favour of a two year EEA (Norway-esque) transition period, where (presumably) there would be limited freedom of movement, some budget contributions and only ECJ juristiction over single market issues. Which is exactly what the Swedish government came out in favour of a month ago.
I understood that they would then progress to CETA + in two years
That is what the Belgian government would like. It's great that we're collecting allies. We have Sweden and Belgium increasingly on-side. I would expect that we'll get support from the Danes without much difficulty too.
We need to be friendly, but insistent. We have a lot to offer, and we need to think about the whole package and not just fixate on one item of it.
Seems the Quebec massacre wasn't the political game-changer it was this morning after all! Speculation on PB seems to have died off, and Trudeau is safe...for now!
Seems the Quebec massacre wasn't the political game-changer it was this morning after all! Speculation on PB seems to have died off, and Trudeau is safe...for now!
Trudeau has an even bigger poll lead than May
Sorry was being facetious. Made the same point last night. However, apparently, this morning his constant "virtue signalling" was about to lead to a popular revolt which would bring Canada into Trumpland. Must have been mistaken. All he did was overturn a proto-Trump administration and grind Canadian Tories into electoral oblivion. Don't know why some PB posters don't like him?
This insistence that the average Brit likes Trump / would approve of his immigration policies, is reminding me of comments that PBers made last year, insisting that the "Sadiq Khan is a terrorist" campaign would succeed in the Mayoral election.
Most people believe that current levels of immigration to Britain are too high. Separately, they also believe Islamic extremism is a big problem and that an alarmingly high number of Muslims (albeit a minority) have sympathy with the extremist ideology. But it doesn't follow from those two beliefs that they think ALL Muslims are worthy of suspicion and/or should be treated as second-class citizens, as in the case of the anti-Khan campaign and with Trump's Muslim ban - but PBers and right-wing media commentators can't seem to grasp this.
While I think you "PBers and right-wing media commentators" goes too far, you are fundamentally correct. The correlation between belief in the statements "immigration is too high" and "radical Islam is a serious problem" and the solution "ban all people with a tenuous link to a country" is probably only 0.2-0.3.
Tried to make the same point earlier, but with considerably less erudition. Chapeau.
Goodness only 1,540,000 behind and increasing at a slower number every ten seconds. US Trumpians or UK Tories really are the stupid parties!
It was only created tonight and is already in the top 2 petition pages out of 520 and that is with virtually no media coverage so far unlike the anti Trump state visit petition which has been headline news the last 2 days on TV and in the papers
Goodness only 1,540,000 behind and increasing at a slower number every ten seconds. US Trumpians or UK Tories really are the stupid parties!
It was only created tonight and is already in the top 2 petition pages out of 520
You are welcome to organise as many petitions and demos as you like. Although I should warn you they are totally pointless and mark you out as a snowflake.
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
A mere few weeks ago most republican supporters were against rule by decree.
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
Goodness only 1,540,000 behind and increasing at a slower number every ten seconds. US Trumpians or UK Tories really are the stupid parties!
It was only created tonight and is already in the top 2 petition pages out of 520
You are welcome to organise as many petitions and demos as you like. Although I should warn you they are totally pointless and mark you out as a snowflake.
Goodness only 1,540,000 behind and increasing at a slower number every ten seconds. US Trumpians or UK Tories really are the stupid parties!
It was only created tonight and is already in the top 2 petition pages out of 520
You are welcome to organise as many petitions and demos as you like. Although I should warn you they are totally pointless and mark you out as a snowflake.
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
Not here to argue with anyone. Petitions and demos are a feature of British democracy ad something we should treasure. If people don't like them they are free to organise their own. Long may it be so! Best Wishes and good night @HYUFD and all.
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
But Trump hasn't banned 'Muslims' has he? He's suspended for 90 days the privilege of citizens of several states, some of them failed, some of them with acute terrorism problems to visit the US? Irrespective of their religion.
While I think that's a gross over reaction its not a 'ban on Muslims' - and all language like that does is inflame tensions.
His action on refugees on the other hand is deplorable.
Unfortunately, it is the platform on which he was elected......
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
i don't think most europeans think americans are dreadful. only this bunch of ruffians who have infiltrated the republican party
"Burqas and niqabs are outfits which some women use to cover their body and face. Usually, they are worn by Muslim women when they are out in public. Which of the following statements comes closest to your view?"
if they ask the question "Should governments regulate clothing" they would get quite a different response, i suppose
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
But Trump hasn't banned 'Muslims' has he? He's suspended for 90 days the privilege of citizens of several states, some of them failed, some of them with acute terrorism problems to visit the US? Irrespective of their religion.
So... Don will just say "You're Fired" and put someone in place who will follow orders.
Yates was appointed by Obama and is a well-known Democrat supporter. This is politics, not law and order. (She is acting until Trump's replacement can be sworn in (Jeff Sessions if elected) - 1st vote is tomorrow, with a later vote in the (Republican) senate.)
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
But Trump hasn't banned 'Muslims' has he? He's suspended for 90 days the privilege of citizens of several states, some of them failed, some of them with acute terrorism problems to visit the US? Irrespective of their religion.
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
strikingly:
"On Monday last week, Morocco became the latest country to take steps against the burqa. The government banned the sale, production and import of the burqa, giving retailers 48 hours to destroy their stocks."
does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean).
when does he not affect us? I live in Japan, not far from a base containing substantial numbers of American troops. I work in international collaborations with several different nations including the US.
I've no idea about your circumstances, but it's difficult to imagine that the actions of the US have such a small effect. Not to mention that this is a nation with which we aim to have a "special relationship"...
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
...when does he not affect us? I live in Japan, not far from a base containing substantial numbers of American troops. I work in international collaborations with several different nations including the US...
You live in Japan. You work with Americans. You work near Americans. But you are not yourself American. You are not taxed by the American government, cannot be drafted into its army, do not have the shared experiences of Americans.
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
I disagree with you about the "Remainia" bit, but your first paragraph was correct.
...when does he not affect us? I live in Japan, not far from a base containing substantial numbers of American troops. I work in international collaborations with several different nations including the US...
You live in Japan. You work with Americans. You work near Americans. But you are not yourself American. You are not taxed by the American government, cannot be drafted into its army, do not have the shared experiences of Americans.
i shall henceforth only concern myself with my parochial church council, and not get ideas above my station
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
I disagree with you about the "Remainia" bit, but your first paragraph was correct.
Enthusiasm for the petition is not uniform, the proportions having signed it ranging from around 1% to 10% from place to place. Here the overlap with Brexit becomes clear. The Economist has charted petition “turnout” by constituency with support for Remain in the EU referendum. The resulting graphic shows the stark correlation between the two sets of figures: it seems places that didn’t like Brexit don’t like Mr Trump.
...when does he not affect us? I live in Japan, not far from a base containing substantial numbers of American troops. I work in international collaborations with several different nations including the US...
You live in Japan. You work with Americans. You work near Americans. But you are not yourself American. You are not taxed by the American government, cannot be drafted into its army, do not have the shared experiences of Americans.
i shall henceforth only concern myself with my parochial church council, and not get ideas above my station
Why would being an American be "above your station"? It's not an upgrade: you don't get extra minutes or 20Gb more storage.
Australian Immigration Minister sticks head above parapet:
Australia’s immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has backed Donald Trump’s contentious travel ban, saying the US president has a mandate to pursue the change.
Dutton told the Seven Network on Tuesday morning the US, like Australia, had a “sovereign right” to determine who entered the country and Trump would say he had a mandate after the presidential election to implement the policy.
“We have a sovereign right to determine who comes across our borders and the US went to an election with millions of Americans very concerned about migration policy and president Trump has the mandate, he would say, to implement policy,” Dutton said.
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
I disagree with you about the "Remainia" bit, but your first paragraph was correct.
Enthusiasm for the petition is not uniform, the proportions having signed it ranging from around 1% to 10% from place to place. Here the overlap with Brexit becomes clear. The Economist has charted petition “turnout” by constituency with support for Remain in the EU referendum. The resulting graphic shows the stark correlation between the two sets of figures: it seems places that didn’t like Brexit don’t like Mr Trump.
The White House has fired Sally Yates, acting attorney general, after she told Justice Department lawyers not to defend Trump's exec order https://t.co/0WgeOXX8MV
The White House has fired Sally Yates, acting attorney general, after she told Justice Department lawyers not to defend Trump's exec order https://t.co/0WgeOXX8MV
Oh well! She needs to brush up her CV again. This is Trump time.
Incidentally, Obama stopped all refugees from Iraq for six months after the failed Kentucky terrorist attack funny how the media said nothing and there were no protests outside ministers offices about that one.
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
I think TimB has dual nationality. I am British, Permanent Resident, with an American wife and daughter, living in the US for 25 years.
In Hazleton, Pennsylvania, a town that flipped from voting Democrat to Republican in 2016, President Trump's supporters are delighted by his first week in office. This is the president they wanted, and the candidate they elected, they told the BBC.
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
No - clearly sarcasm doesn't communicate well. But with all Europe's moral superiority over those dreadful Americans, it worth remembering who actually has the more liberal attitude in some areas:
Most of the people on this site, present and past, are British. So the link would indicate that the answer to your question is "them (the Americans), not us (the British)"
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
I disagree with you about the "Remainia" bit, but your first paragraph was correct.
Enthusiasm for the petition is not uniform, the proportions having signed it ranging from around 1% to 10% from place to place. Here the overlap with Brexit becomes clear. The Economist has charted petition “turnout” by constituency with support for Remain in the EU referendum. The resulting graphic shows the stark correlation between the two sets of figures: it seems places that didn’t like Brexit don’t like Mr Trump.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
The White House has fired Sally Yates, acting attorney general, after she told Justice Department lawyers not to defend Trump's exec order https://t.co/0WgeOXX8MV
Not exactly a shocker, Yates is a Democratic Party member and Obama appointee.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
I think you've got it backwards. Bannon put in the green cards over the objections of officials.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
I think you've got it backwards. Bannon put in the green cards over the objections of officials.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
sure, he's not doing anything that nixon hasn't done before
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
sure, he's not doing anything that nixon hasn't done before
I am sure we would all enjoy any links you can furnish to support that assertion
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
I think you've got it backwards. Bannon put in the green cards over the objections of officials.
And a lot of posters, petition signers and demonstrators appear to believe that US immigration policy is a matter for the British Prime Minister. It hasn't been, for quite some time.
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
don't you think it's a bit more serious than that?
Trump is a distasteful person, but he isn't Hitler, and largely isnt doing anything that Obama hasn't done before. He is however trying to do it in the teeth of a politicised media and civil service that is hell bent on carrying out his instructions in the most disruptive and newsworthy way possible. Does anyone seriously believe that the fuss between Boris and the State Department, a department largely still run by Clinton place-men, last night was an accident ? Or that the balls up over green card holders, explicitly excluded from the executive order wasn't a deliberate act ? He even had the (Obama appointed) AG coming out against him last night, while the former president was inciting people to come out and protest.
I think you've got it backwards. Bannon put in the green cards over the objections of officials.
Miss Cooper (Lab, Normanton) was shaking with, well, with something. Rage? Despair? Impotence? Anger that Theresa May’s trip to DC went so well? Or maybe that the new president is keeping his electoral promises. That was perhaps the thing that really appalled them. Keeping campaign commitments! It’ll never catch on.
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https://twitter.com/mviser/status/826210858384625669
Reports tonight of Brussels considering a CETA+ deal for UK after 2 year transition
Far from harming the UK Trump is driving the EU into a deal and a good one
Again.
How long until she gets replaced with sessions ? I presume fairly shortly.
Yeah don't waste everyone's time with repeats mate
For all the hot air, that's exactly what I would expect my opposite number in a commercial negotiation to claim at the beginning of talks.
We need to be friendly, but insistent. We have a lot to offer, and we need to think about the whole package and not just fixate on one item of it.
Best PM: +32 (+4)
Immigration: +13 (+3)
Laura Norder: +21 (+4)
Taxation: +10 (+4)
Economy: +20 (+4)
Brexit: +19 (+4)
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844
% Electorate signed Petition:
Corbyn: 8.5%
May: 2.9%
Farron: 2.8%
Others:
Lucas: 8.9%
Salmond: 2.0%
Robertson: 1.7%
Carswell: 1.0%
Miliband: 0.8%
So, Ed Miliband's constituents are less exercised than those of the sole UKIP MP.....
https://twitter.com/KieranSuckling/status/825935113993064448
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4173502/Austria-announces-ban-Islamic-veils-public.html
They seem very confused. Controlling what people wear doesn't seem especially enlightened
https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/674249808610066433
More Fake News.
http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-muslim-ban-offensive/
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/01/17/brits-and-germans-want-see-burqa-banned-whilst-ame/
While I think that's a gross over reaction its not a 'ban on Muslims' - and all language like that does is inflame tensions.
His action on refugees on the other hand is deplorable.
Unfortunately, it is the platform on which he was elected......
i don't think most europeans think americans are dreadful. only this bunch of ruffians who have infiltrated the republican party
"Burqas and niqabs are outfits which some women
use to cover their body and face. Usually, they are
worn by Muslim women when they are out in
public. Which of the following statements comes
closest to your view?"
if they ask the question "Should governments regulate clothing" they would get quite a different response, i suppose
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-ban-rudy-giuliani-how-legally-create-islam-us-immigration-entry-visa-new-york-a7552751.html
even some of the most out there creeps in his administration realized it would be unconstitutional, otherwise they would have done it
and preferring Christians is maybe also unconstitutional
I am always bemused by those who react viscerally to POTUS, whether pro or con. He is, after all, the head of state and government of another country and does not affect us (except when he does affect us, if you see what I mean). But many of the people on here are reacting as if they were American, as if Trump was of their tribe or of their enemy's tribe. Apart from MTimT, nobody on here is American.
"On Monday last week, Morocco became the latest country to take steps against the burqa. The government banned the sale, production and import of the burqa, giving retailers 48 hours to destroy their stocks."
I've no idea about your circumstances, but it's difficult to imagine that the actions of the US have such a small effect. Not to mention that this is a nation with which we aim to have a "special relationship"...
This feels a bit like Remania diverting their grief into something they hope they can change.....
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2017/01/long-list
Australia’s immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has backed Donald Trump’s contentious travel ban, saying the US president has a mandate to pursue the change.
Dutton told the Seven Network on Tuesday morning the US, like Australia, had a “sovereign right” to determine who entered the country and Trump would say he had a mandate after the presidential election to implement the policy.
“We have a sovereign right to determine who comes across our borders and the US went to an election with millions of Americans very concerned about migration policy and president Trump has the mandate, he would say, to implement policy,” Dutton said.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/31/peter-dutton-backs-donald-trumps-mandate-to-enforce-travel-ban
The White House has fired Sally Yates, acting attorney general, after she told Justice Department lawyers not to defend Trump's exec order https://t.co/0WgeOXX8MV
As of Monday that rumour refuses to go away
Strange times.
As for Washington, three or four figures to watch in due course. Pence. Flynn, Tillerson, Mattis all for very different reasons.
True joy.
Trump fires attorney general when she says executive order may not be legal.
Then says she betrayed department of justice and is weak on immigration.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/01/29/soros-bankrolling-effort-to-stop-trumps-temporary-refugee-halt-order/
Incidentally, Obama stopped all refugees from Iraq for six months after the failed Kentucky terrorist attack funny how the media said nothing and there were no protests outside ministers offices about that one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131
This is the president they wanted, and the candidate they elected, they told the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38804462?ocid=socialflow_twitter
Bannon put in the green cards over the objections of officials.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX
"You will be allowed to re-enter the United States pending a routine rescreening," the official said.
Originally they said it did apply to green card holders.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4173850/Yvette-held-poor-Boris-responsible-Trump-s-gambit.html