Guido has a UK map showing the 20 constituencies with the most support to stop Trump's visit and the 20 least.
It is as stark as it gets in demonstrating that the out of touch London Metropolitan Elite are still at it
How is York doing BigG ? The so called golden triangle in Yorkshire ,York Harrogate Leeds voted to remain.
The Press Association report that 15 of the 20 constituencies with the most signatures in favour of cancelling Trump's visit are in London. The rest of the country doesn't seem bothered other than the student towns of Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton and Edinburgh.
So your triangle doesn't seem bothered
Thanks the local paper The York Press is saying hundreds are on the street in York protesting at the Trump travel ban.
Weird how some here have adopted Trump as their own.
Yeah, that's been my thought process ever since November 8th. Especially since Trump seems to embody a repudiation of so many Conservative values. Lots of Conservatives funnily enough can see that - many Conservative MPs seem to have a highly critical attitude towards Trump, many right-wing commentators among the press also seem to be highly critical of Trump as well. It's why the reaction of many on the right on this site is well...rather odd.
Yes it's not a clear cut right-left thing. Lots of the 'salt-of-the-earth' Leaver Red BNP natives like him. Lots of sensible Tories loathe him. The PB Right, however, have not only taken him to their hearts, they see it as their duty to attack any that question him – even multiple gold medal winning Olympic athletes aren't spared the stormtroopers' blaze.
You've got us bang to rights. We regard The Handmaid's Tale as the blueprint for the kind of society we wish to create.
Not one of her best novels tbh. Never really thought of it as a blueprint.
The idea that any U.K. PM could afford not to suck up to a US President is frankly childish and ridiculous. The last time was probably when Wilson refused LBJ's request to make a token contribution to Vietnam. Along with the Open University the best thing he ever did.
So May did what the job required. I think the vast majority of people recognise that. They may not like the fact it is necessary but they recognise that this is where we are. Where I disagree with Alastair is that I really don't think that Brexit has anything to do with it. Our number one trading partner, security partner, political partner has done something truly bizarre (having been given a really duff choice). Do we throw it all away or make the best of it? There is only 1 answer for adults who are not terminally self indulgent.
But it's a great opportunity to sully and tarnish the Brexit brand that won't be allowed to be wasted.
If you did nationwide polls asking people two separate questions, "do you like Mo Farah?" and "do you support Brexit?", which do you think would get the higher support?
Depends on the 'don't give a toss' option, which is where most people would be with Farah.
Farah is vanilla, he is magnolia paint; Brexit is Marmite.
The harsh truth is that he has done double gold twice now, and never made the top 3 in the public vote in SPOTY in those years.
Compare and contrast to Jessica Ennis, Daley Thompson, Seb Coe, Kelly Holmes. The reason for the difference is something we can only speculate on.
And your speculative opinion is?
The voters have some underlying feeling that gets them to vote for people of inferior achievement where he is concerned.
BBC viewers these days seem to prefer their sportspeople to be spectacularly middle class - tennis players, rowers, cyclists, showjumpers.
Surely it's more that he's not British. Did Greg rudedski (or what ever his name is) ever really get accepted as a Brit? Did zola budd? It probably doesn't help that saint mo (allegedly) is a tax exile in Switzerland either.
Greg rusedski won SPOTY.
I seemed to have missed, How did all this nonsense about who did better at SPOTY become part of the discussion?
I said if we accept people voted Brexit because of immigration concerns, they wouldn't necessarily be horrified by a leader who put down tough immigration controls.
@Danny565 said I was wrong because people see Mo Farah not being allowed to America and that overrides their immigration concerns
From then on people started saying Brexiteers don't like Mo Farah, I think they are virtue signalling to be honest
Not me .....I don't agree with Brexiteers or like Mo Farah.( Or Arsene Wenger oddly)
Guido has a UK map showing the 20 constituencies with the most support to stop Trump's visit and the 20 least.
It is as stark as it gets in demonstrating that the out of touch London Metropolitan Elite are still at it
How is York doing BigG ? The so called golden triangle in Yorkshire ,York Harrogate Leeds voted to remain.
The Press Association report that 15 of the 20 constituencies with the most signatures in favour of cancelling Trump's visit are in London. The rest of the country doesn't seem bothered other than the student towns of Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton and Edinburgh.
So your triangle doesn't seem bothered
Thanks the local paper The York Press is saying hundreds are on the street in York protesting at the Trump travel ban.
How many are not on the street in York protesting about Trump's travel ban.
Guido has a UK map showing the 20 constituencies with the most support to stop Trump's visit and the 20 least.
It is as stark as it gets in demonstrating that the out of touch London Metropolitan Elite are still at it
How is York doing BigG ? The so called golden triangle in Yorkshire ,York Harrogate Leeds voted to remain.
The Press Association report that 15 of the 20 constituencies with the most signatures in favour of cancelling Trump's visit are in London. The rest of the country doesn't seem bothered other than the student towns of Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton and Edinburgh.
So your triangle doesn't seem bothered
Thanks the local paper The York Press is saying hundreds are on the street in York protesting at the Trump travel ban.
The Treaty of Paris was signed 234 years ago. Tell these uninformed protesters.
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
RodCrosby adored him, albeit in a rather sinister Fascist Wagnerian way.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
Guido has a UK map showing the 20 constituencies with the most support to stop Trump's visit and the 20 least.
It is as stark as it gets in demonstrating that the out of touch London Metropolitan Elite are still at it
How is York doing BigG ? The so called golden triangle in Yorkshire ,York Harrogate Leeds voted to remain.
The Press Association report that 15 of the 20 constituencies with the most signatures in favour of cancelling Trump's visit are in London. The rest of the country doesn't seem bothered other than the student towns of Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton and Edinburgh.
So your triangle doesn't seem bothered
Thanks the local paper The York Press is saying hundreds are on the street in York protesting at the Trump travel ban.
How many are not on the street in York protesting about Trump's travel ban.
Steve you never normally see anyone on the street on a Monday January evening in York apart from the odd tourist and a few hardened drinkers going from pub to pub.
PB lefties obsessed with the notion that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will 'sell out' the NHS.
They could be right - it's difficult to prove otherwise - but it's worth remembering that TTIP was apparently going to spell doom for the NHS too. You know, the deal being negotiated between the beloved EU and a USA under the beloved Remain cheerleader Obama.
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
RodCrosby adored him, albeit in a rather sinister Fascist Wagnerian way.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
it's not a personality contest it's politics. It's politics with one of our largest allies.
Merkel treats Greece like shit, should we stop talking to her ?
I don't intend to read the thread, life's too short. But the headline alone is based on an utterly false prospectus, namely that the UK is, or should be, desperately hoping for partnerships from the EU and from other nations that mirror the arrangements we are leaving as closely as possible. Considering we have a huge trade deficit with the EU and we are the second biggest net contributor to its coffers, this notion is palpably absurd. We are losing in the current set up.
And we are going to lose a whole lot more when we leave. Just wait and see...
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
Raising a glass to the bust of Churchill?
I don't think Trump drinks alcohol. Perhaps with good reason. He is a twat when sober, the prospect of a disinhibited Trump doesn't sound too good. Imagine Trump without his self restraint.
Guido has a UK map showing the 20 constituencies with the most support to stop Trump's visit and the 20 least.
It is as stark as it gets in demonstrating that the out of touch London Metropolitan Elite are still at it
How is York doing BigG ? The so called golden triangle in Yorkshire ,York Harrogate Leeds voted to remain.
The Press Association report that 15 of the 20 constituencies with the most signatures in favour of cancelling Trump's visit are in London. The rest of the country doesn't seem bothered other than the student towns of Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Brighton and Edinburgh.
So your triangle doesn't seem bothered
Thanks the local paper The York Press is saying hundreds are on the street in York protesting at the Trump travel ban.
How many are not on the street in York protesting about Trump's travel ban.
Steve you never normally see anyone on the street on a Monday January evening in York apart from the odd tourist and a few hardened drinkers going from pub to pub.
I was kindly offered a placard at Westminster Tube Station this evening, but I decided to come home instead.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
PB lefties obsessed with the notion that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will 'sell out' the NHS.
They could be right - it's difficult to prove otherwise - but it's worth remembering that TTIP was apparently going to spell doom for the NHS too. You know, the deal being negotiated between the beloved EU and a USA under the beloved Remain cheerleader Obama.
Don't like your new avatar. Please could we have Liz back. Thanks.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
Raising a glass to the bust of Churchill?
I don't think Trump drinks alcohol. Perhaps with good reason. He is a twat when sober, the prospect of a disinhibited Trump doesn't sound too good. Imagine Trump without his self restraint.
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
RodCrosby adored him, albeit in a rather sinister Fascist Wagnerian way.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
Yes because it is in the much wider interest of the UK to have a close relationship with the US. This goes beyond Trump who will not be there forever and it is far more important to maintain the excellent friendship TM has gained with the Republicans
PB lefties obsessed with the notion that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will 'sell out' the NHS.
They could be right - it's difficult to prove otherwise - but it's worth remembering that TTIP was apparently going to spell doom for the NHS too. You know, the deal being negotiated between the beloved EU and a USA under the beloved Remain cheerleader Obama.
Don't like your new avatar. Please could we have Liz back. Thanks.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
Very much Boris's comments to some of the extreme views being aired to him earlier today in the HOC
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
Raising a glass to the bust of Churchill?
I don't think Trump drinks alcohol. Perhaps with good reason. He is a twat when sober, the prospect of a disinhibited Trump doesn't sound too good. Imagine Trump without his self restraint.
I heard he doesn't touch alcohol. Another reason not to trust him as far as I am concerned. (I am now prepared to be attacked by PB tea-totallers who should do everyone a favour, lighten up and have a drink)
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
RodCrosby adored him, albeit in a rather sinister Fascist Wagnerian way.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
it's not a personality contest it's politics. It's politics with one of our largest allies.
Merkel treats Greece like shit, should we stop talking to her ?
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
RodCrosby adored him, albeit in a rather sinister Fascist Wagnerian way.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
it's not a personality contest it's politics. It's politics with one of our largest allies.
Merkel treats Greece like shit, should we stop talking to her ?
I think a little more caution would have been appropriate. We certainly do need to deal with all countries via their leaders, however we feel about them.
Sucking up to Trump is undermining May though. Even a substantial part of her own party is disgusted by the prospect of a state visit.
May used to be known for her caution, but was goaded into impetuosity by the prospect of Farage.
Cosying up to the country most likely to rip up the WTO just as we need Free Trade was not wise.
@gabyhinsliff: Pithiest description I've heard from an MP of recent events; we're now into 'post-dignity politics'. Post-Brexit beggars can't be choosers
I don't intend to read the thread, life's too short. But the headline alone is based on an utterly false prospectus, namely that the UK is, or should be, desperately hoping for partnerships from the EU and from other nations that mirror the arrangements we are leaving as closely as possible. Considering we have a huge trade deficit with the EU and we are the second biggest net contributor to its coffers, this notion is palpably absurd. We are losing in the current set up.
And we are going to lose a whole lot more when we leave. Just wait and see...
Will we lose the fabled Labour ground game?
Apochraphyl information from keen Lib-demmer in Durham was that Lib-dem recruiting is doing very well.
I think a little more caution would have been appropriate. We certainly do need to deal with all countries via their leaders, however we feel about them.
Sucking up to Trump is undermining May though. Even a substantial part of her own party is disgusted by the prospect of a state visit.
May used to be known for her caution, but was goaded into impetuosity by the prospect of Farage.
Cosying up to the country most likely to rip up the WTO just as we need Free Trade was not wise.
So we should be sucking up to those free trading democrats in China ?
I don't intend to read the thread, life's too short. But the headline alone is based on an utterly false prospectus, namely that the UK is, or should be, desperately hoping for partnerships from the EU and from other nations that mirror the arrangements we are leaving as closely as possible. Considering we have a huge trade deficit with the EU and we are the second biggest net contributor to its coffers, this notion is palpably absurd. We are losing in the current set up.
And we are going to lose a whole lot more when we leave. Just wait and see...
Will we lose the fabled Labour ground game?
Apochraphyl information from keen Lib-demmer in Durham was that Lib-dem recruiting is doing very well.
I remember when the Lib Dems reckoned they would gain City of Durham in 2010. Somehow I don't see them sweeping to Power in the County of County Durham County Council* elections in May.
*This was my preference for the name of the unitary authority; sadly not adopted.
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
RodCrosby adored him, albeit in a rather sinister Fascist Wagnerian way.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
Politics doesn't travel well between countries. I find a good deal to dislike about both main US parties. The Republicans engage in electoral malpractice, prioritise the financial interests of the 1%, pander to White racists and religious fanatics. The Democrats engage in electoral malpractice, pander to anti-White racists, and favour illegal immigration and partial birth abortion.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
In the case of us PB righties, goose-stepping around the living room and surrounding a portrait of the Fuhrer with candles.
Whilst effigies of Mo Farah and Jean-Claude Juncker burn in the background.
These impotent smears against the pb Tories are particularly hard to understand given that it is labour which has pretty much given up the pretence that anti semitism is not one of its core values.
Just going through the emails I failed to deal with earlier today, and I come across one extolling the virtues (no signalling involved) of Biofungicides.
I should add here that I am into professional horticulture, so this is industrial scale, not domestic.
I am one of the leading advocates for the reduction of use of chemical fungicides in my industry. The literature includes the following:
Biological and safe. Biofungicides are non-chemical by nature and produced from natural occurring micro-organisms, so they are safe to humans, the environment and beneficial organisms when used as directed.
Now we are talking on a commercial scale. Adding micro organisms to the environment can not be neutral. In the long to medium term, I am not convinced that this kind of alteration to the ecosystem is desirable. It is a change to the balance. I am all for the eradication of chemical fungicides, but not replacing them with micro-organisms. Just breed healthy plants that don't require artificial help to survive.
I wouldn't put additional organisms in my body without have certainty that there was no long term damage. Why should we change the natural balance of our environment? More potential damage here than additional carbon, in my opinion.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
In the case of us PB righties, goose-stepping around the living room and surrounding a portrait of the Fuhrer with candles.
Whilst effigies of Mo Farah and Jean-Claude Juncker burn in the background.
These impotent smears against the pb Tories are particularly hard to understand given that it is labour which has pretty much given up the pretence that anti semitism is not one of its core values.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
Absolutely yes. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump ensnarled up by the multifaceted US system.
On the other hand we do need to import lots of goods and do require export markets to pay for them, or continue selling the family silver.
It is tough choosing sides in a trade war, but we should be supporting Free Trade rather than protectionism.
we need freeish trade not free trade. Free trade only works for the dominant power, that was us in C19, US in C20 and I wonder why China is suddenly all for it.
We need free trade but not to be stupid about it which our governments have been for most of the last 50 years.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
Absolutely yes. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump ensnarled up by the multifaceted US system.
PB lefties obsessed with the notion that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will 'sell out' the NHS.
They could be right - it's difficult to prove otherwise - but it's worth remembering that TTIP was apparently going to spell doom for the NHS too. You know, the deal being negotiated between the beloved EU and a USA under the beloved Remain cheerleader Obama.
Well I have no doubt that both the EU Commission and our current PM are equally willing to sell out the NHS to US healthcare firms, although the latter might be a touch more concerned to disguise her position since unlike the former she is occasionally subject to a degree of political accountability in the form of something called elections. And as Obama was prepared to go down that road, Trump is surely going to do so in spades. So yes, every reason to expect that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will sell out the NHS.
It's one of the few arguments against Brexit that appeal to me. Although that appeal comes due to a belief that the enlarged EU has turned into such a bloated monster that it is incapable of reaching complex agreements on just about anything where there is a whiff of accountability of its myriad of member states all pulling in opposite directions. That's a good thing in relation to the prospect of TTIP never happening, it's a bad thing in relation to just about everything else.
I write as a PB "lefty" if you insist, one who voted for Brexit (and would do so again). Not sure how I fit into your stereotype.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
Absolutely yes. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump ensnarled up by the multifaceted US system.
and of course, Hitler never won an election
Yes, this comparison with Hitler is ridiculous. For a start he wanted to expand eastwards with 'Lebensraum'. Trump has no territorial ambitions as far as we know.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
In the case of us PB righties, goose-stepping around the living room and surrounding a portrait of the Fuhrer with candles.
Whilst effigies of Mo Farah and Jean-Claude Juncker burn in the background.
These impotent smears against the pb Tories are particularly hard to understand given that it is labour which has pretty much given up the pretence that anti semitism is not one of its core values.
I'm joking you twat.
Yes I know, I was agreeing with you. The "impotent smears" referred to justin124's post. You twat.
PB lefties obsessed with the notion that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will 'sell out' the NHS.
They could be right - it's difficult to prove otherwise - but it's worth remembering that TTIP was apparently going to spell doom for the NHS too. You know, the deal being negotiated between the beloved EU and a USA under the beloved Remain cheerleader Obama.
Well I have no doubt that both the EU Commission and our current PM are equally willing to sell out the NHS to US healthcare firms, although the latter might be a touch more concerned to disguise her position since unlike the former she is occasionally subject to a degree of political accountability in the form of something called elections. And as Obama was prepared to go down that road, Trump is surely going to do so in spades. So yes, every reason to expect that a post-Brexit trade deal with the USA under Trump will sell out the NHS.
It's one of the few arguments against Brexit that appeal to me. Although that appeal comes due to a belief that the enlarged EU has turned into such a bloated monster that it is incapable of reaching complex agreements on just about anything where there is a whiff of accountability of its myriad of member states all pulling in opposite directions. That's a good thing in relation to the prospect of TTIP never happening, it's a bad thing in relation to just about everything else.
I write as a PB "lefty" if you insist, one who voted for Brexit (and would do so again). Not sure how I fit into your stereotype.
I was using 'PB lefties' quasi-ironically, given how many on here tonight are pretending there's such a thing as a generic Trump-supporting 'PB righty'. In reality I realise that neither is a homogeneous mass!
I don't intend to read the thread, life's too short. But the headline alone is based on an utterly false prospectus, namely that the UK is, or should be, desperately hoping for partnerships from the EU and from other nations that mirror the arrangements we are leaving as closely as possible. Considering we have a huge trade deficit with the EU and we are the second biggest net contributor to its coffers, this notion is palpably absurd. We are losing in the current set up.
And we are going to lose a whole lot more when we leave. Just wait and see...
Will we lose the fabled Labour ground game?
Apochraphyl information from keen Lib-demmer in Durham was that Lib-dem recruiting is doing very well.
I remember when the Lib Dems reckoned they would gain City of Durham in 2010. Somehow I don't see them sweeping to Power in the County of County Durham County Council* elections in May.
*This was my preference for the name of the unitary authority; sadly not adopted.
Even when Labour was at its nadir, it won County Durham Unitary Authority - and away from Durham itself I think the County was heavily leave. So the Lib-dems may do better in the Parliamentary seat rather than the council.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
I'm watching Downfall, and cheering on his speeches.
I think Downfall is a poor choice, much as it is a great movie. Probably better is Caberet. As Michael York asks at the end of this scene "Do you still think that you can control them?"
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Bear in mind I am in no way saying I like or support Trump. He is beyond the Pale for me. I just find the Hitler comparisons lazy and show a lack of basic historical understanding. They are self defeating.
Trump has always made it clear that he thinks USA trade deals are absolute mince. He'll drive a very hard bargain with us - as was obvious from his campaigning. Indeed we should take him both seriously and literally on this one:>
Pieter Cleppe @pietercleppe 4h4 hours ago Belgian high level group on #Brexit calls for CETA+ deal for UK post Brexit, Norway-style deal for interim period http://twitdoc.com/7CBI
Pieter Cleppe @pietercleppe 4h4 hours ago Mentions that if UK refuses to give up its regulatory control for the interim, Belgium should “remain open minded” and minimize tariffs
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
In the case of us PB righties, goose-stepping around the living room and surrounding a portrait of the Fuhrer with candles.
Whilst effigies of Mo Farah and Jean-Claude Juncker burn in the background.
These impotent smears against the pb Tories are particularly hard to understand given that it is labour which has pretty much given up the pretence that anti semitism is not one of its core values.
I'm joking you twat.
Yes I know, I was agreeing with you. The "impotent smears" referred to justin124's post. You twat.
Ok. Sorry, I did wonder what was anti semitic about Mo. Consider yourself de-twatted.
"Can you actually point to any poster who has taken Trump to their heart"
FFS - this is Trump's embassy here in the UK - politicalbetting.com.
No, that doesn't work. I challenged you to name a poster, and you failed. Again: who specifically are you talking about?
You for real? Quite a few - (Plato, MikeK, Tim (a real dim but tim!)) to name a few...
So, no one posting this evening; and the question stumped you entirely until foxinsox came to your rescue and you could plagiarise names from his post. You lose.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Bear in mind I am in no way saying I like or support Trump. He is beyond the Pale for me. I just find the Hitler comparisons lazy and show a lack of basic historical understanding. They are self defeating.
I agree. His malign nature needs to be individually understood.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
I'm watching Downfall, and cheering on his speeches.
I think Downfall is a poor choice, much as it is a great movie. Probably better is Caberet. As Michael York asks at the end of this scene "Do you still think that you can control them?"
Heaven protect us - even the normally sensible Alastair Meeks has bought into the ludicrous connection made by the Guardian-reading classes between Holocaust Memorial Day and a policy on visas for citizens of a few countries, for whom visas were already extremely hard to obtain.
And, no, the prsident and PM will be not forever inextricably associated in the public’s eyes as being hand in hand. Luckily British voters are sensible enough to understand the necessity for, and limitations of, smoozing with foreign leader. We are talking here about a democratically elected president, not Blair and a foreign despot in a desert tent.
Just going through the emails I failed to deal with earlier today, and I come across one extolling the virtues (no signalling involved) of Biofungicides.
I should add here that I am into professional horticulture, so this is industrial scale, not domestic.
I am one of the leading advocates for the reduction of use of chemical fungicides in my industry. The literature includes the following:
Biological and safe. Biofungicides are non-chemical by nature and produced from natural occurring micro-organisms, so they are safe to humans, the environment and beneficial organisms when used as directed.
Now we are talking on a commercial scale. Adding micro organisms to the environment can not be neutral. In the long to medium term, I am not convinced that this kind of alteration to the ecosystem is desirable. It is a change to the balance. I am all for the eradication of chemical fungicides, but not replacing them with micro-organisms. Just breed healthy plants that don't require artificial help to survive.
I wouldn't put additional organisms in my body without have certainty that there was no long term damage. Why should we change the natural balance of our environment? More potential damage here than additional carbon, in my opinion.
Interesting. Your post prompted me to look this up. Couldn't find much on the risks. Do you have some links?
Interesting article but not sure it is entirely true, after all Blair sucked up to George W Bush even when the UK was in the EU and Schroder kept Germany out of the Iraq War then. The fact is after Israel and Australia the UK is the most reliable ally for the U.S. internationally and while Brexit has strengthened the importance of that relationship for the UK it was already there before
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
I'm watching Downfall, and cheering on his speeches.
I think Downfall is a poor choice, much as it is a great movie. Probably better is Caberet. As Michael York asks at the end of this scene "Do you still think that you can control them?"
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Bear in mind I am in no way saying I like or support Trump. He is beyond the Pale for me. I just find the Hitler comparisons lazy and show a lack of basic historical understanding. They are self defeating.
I agree. His malign nature needs to be individually understood.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
Today is also the 45th Anniversary of 'Bloody Sunday' I wonder how Her Majesty is celebrating it?
It is also the 69th Anniversary of the assassination of Mahatma Ghandi. I wonder how Richard Tyndall is celebrating it?
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Bear in mind I am in no way saying I like or support Trump. He is beyond the Pale for me. I just find the Hitler comparisons lazy and show a lack of basic historical understanding. They are self defeating.
I do not think Trump is Hitler, and of course the comparison is facile. The comparison with the "America First" Isolationists of the 1920s and 30s is however rather more apt.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Bear in mind I am in no way saying I like or support Trump. He is beyond the Pale for me. I just find the Hitler comparisons lazy and show a lack of basic historical understanding. They are self defeating.
I never thought you would support or like him. We may disagree on many things, but not that!
It's interesting to contemplate which countries a Hitler-style takeover could occur in nowadays, if any. His techniques were, by modern standards, rather blunt. If you want to gain and maintain control nowadays, there are more subtle ways of doing it.
All I would say (for now) about the supposed caving in to Trumpist values in Brexit Britain is that neither our Parliament nor our Government is contemplating a Muslim veil ban. Unlike large swathes of allegedly more enlightened continental Europe, including St. Angela of Berlin's goody-goody Germany.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
In the way that the rest of us do.
I'm watching Downfall, and cheering on his speeches.
I think Downfall is a poor choice, much as it is a great movie. Probably better is Caberet. As Michael York asks at the end of this scene "Do you still think that you can control them?"
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
Raising a glass to the bust of Churchill?
I don't think Trump drinks alcohol. Perhaps with good reason. He is a twat when sober, the prospect of a disinhibited Trump doesn't sound too good. Imagine Trump without his self restraint.
Actually it's because his brother was an alcoholic who died early from cirrhosis of the liver.
But feel free to use it to make a cheap political point why don't you.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
Today is also the 45th Anniversary of 'Bloody Sunday' I wonder how Her Majesty is celebrating it?
It is also the 69th Anniversary of the assassination of Mahatma Ghandi. I wonder how Richard Tyndall is celebrating it?
Not quite sure what either of those have to do with me. Have you been drinking perhaps?
Merkel treats Greece like shit, should we stop talking to her ?
I don't think Merkel does treat Greece like shit. It's human nature never to be grateful to those that bail you out. Greece doesn't have to take the new loans from Germany. They could default.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
I detest Trump but the Hitler thing really is bollocks. Within 3 months of taking power in 1933 Hitler had had all the Left wing politicians arrested and with 6 months had imprisoned 25,000 political opponents. All you do with these stupid comments is dilute the severity of what happened in Germany.
I agree that it is a silly comparison, and hopefully will remain so.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Bear in mind I am in no way saying I like or support Trump. He is beyond the Pale for me. I just find the Hitler comparisons lazy and show a lack of basic historical understanding. They are self defeating.
I do not think Trump is Hitler, and of course the comparison is facile. The comparison with the "America First" Isolationists of the 1920s and 30s is however rather more apt.
Just as apt is the comparison when made in terms of classic psychotic traits:
Scapegoating and banishing groups of people who are seen as threats, including immigrants and religious minorities Degrading, ridiculing, and demeaning rivals and critics Fostering a cult of the Strong Man who appeals to fear and anger Promises to solve our problems if we just trust in him Reinvents history and has little concern for truth (and) sees no need for rational persuasion.
Today is the 84th Anniversary of Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor. I wonder how Donald Trump is celebrating it.
Raising a glass to the bust of Churchill?
I don't think Trump drinks alcohol. Perhaps with good reason. He is a twat when sober, the prospect of a disinhibited Trump doesn't sound too good. Imagine Trump without his self restraint.
Actually it's because his brother was an alcoholic who died early from cirrhosis of the liver.
But feel free to use it to make a cheap political point why don't you.
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I don't think he will auto reverse on NATO or torture now. He will expect the 2% contribution though.
Mike K seems keen too, and of course Ms Plato is apologist in chief.
That so few of the other PB babyeaters do should give pause for thought. If even our rightwingers struggle to defend him, is Trump really someone that our PM should be snuggling up to?
They could be right - it's difficult to prove otherwise - but it's worth remembering that TTIP was apparently going to spell doom for the NHS too. You know, the deal being negotiated between the beloved EU and a USA under the beloved Remain cheerleader Obama.
Not exactly binding.
Merkel treats Greece like shit, should we stop talking to her ?
Sucking up to Trump is undermining May though. Even a substantial part of her own party is disgusted by the prospect of a state visit.
May used to be known for her caution, but was goaded into impetuosity by the prospect of Farage.
Cosying up to the country most likely to rip up the WTO just as we need Free Trade was not wise.
Honestly, some people have lost their senses over the last few days.
I think a little more caution would have been appropriate. We certainly do need to deal with all countries via their leaders, however we feel about them.
Sucking up to Trump is undermining May though. Even a substantial part of her own party is disgusted by the prospect of a state visit.
May used to be known for her caution, but was goaded into impetuosity by the prospect of Farage.
Cosying up to the country most likely to rip up the WTO just as we need Free Trade was not wise.
So we should be sucking up to those free trading democrats in China ?
There;s more to life than money
*This was my preference for the name of the unitary authority; sadly not adopted.
is he on Trumps payroll ?
Bezos might as well advertise the establishment doesnt like little people
much like in his campaign - theyre trying to stop me helping you so they can line their pockets
Just going through the emails I failed to deal with earlier today, and I come across one extolling the virtues (no signalling involved) of Biofungicides.
I should add here that I am into professional horticulture, so this is industrial scale, not domestic.
I am one of the leading advocates for the reduction of use of chemical fungicides in my industry. The literature includes the following:
Biological and safe. Biofungicides are non-chemical by nature and produced from natural occurring micro-organisms, so they are safe to humans, the environment and beneficial organisms when used as directed.
Now we are talking on a commercial scale. Adding micro organisms to the environment can not be neutral. In the long to medium term, I am not convinced that this kind of alteration to the ecosystem is desirable. It is a change to the balance. I am all for the eradication of chemical fungicides, but not replacing them with micro-organisms. Just breed healthy plants that don't require artificial help to survive.
I wouldn't put additional organisms in my body without have certainty that there was no long term damage. Why should we change the natural balance of our environment? More potential damage here than additional carbon, in my opinion.
I agree that there is more to life than money.
On the other hand we do need to import lots of goods and do require export markets to pay for them, or continue selling the family silver.
It is tough choosing sides in a trade war, but we should be supporting Free Trade rather than protectionism.
- We send £350m
- More money available for the NHS
- Turkey will be EU member
I don't normally buy into the "we voted on a lie" argument (both sides of any campaign will stretch the truth) but it does give pause for thought.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump ensnarled up by the multifaceted US system.
We need free trade but not to be stupid about it which our governments have been for most of the last 50 years.
https://www.redken.co.uk/
It's one of the few arguments against Brexit that appeal to me. Although that appeal comes due to a belief that the enlarged EU has turned into such a bloated monster that it is incapable of reaching complex agreements on just about anything where there is a whiff of accountability of its myriad of member states all pulling in opposite directions. That's a good thing in relation to the prospect of TTIP never happening, it's a bad thing in relation to just about everything else.
I write as a PB "lefty" if you insist, one who voted for Brexit (and would do so again). Not sure how I fit into your stereotype.
Yet a Hitler-style approach is just one of the ways that Trump could do really undemocratic things that would be bad for the US and/or the world. His buddy Putin shows a modern way of doing it, as do Erdogan and others. There are various warning signs to look out for.
Any PB Trumpeters going to signal their virtuosity and sign?
What will he do?
What is his intention?
Is he random or is there a strategy?
If you take him at face value, I suspect you will be wrong, but maybe not. I just don't know.
Is he attractive in his views and opinions. Largely no, but are those that he is articulating what he wants and believes?
I don't know. He is different and cannot be evaluated on a normal political scale.
Therefore, he is interesting.
https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co
Though I would also recommend "Look who is Back" on Netflix.
Belgian high level group on #Brexit calls for CETA+ deal for UK post Brexit, Norway-style deal for interim period http://twitdoc.com/7CBI
Pieter Cleppe @pietercleppe 4h4 hours ago
Mentions that if UK refuses to give up its regulatory control for the interim, Belgium should “remain open minded” and minimize tariffs
It's sinking in with them.
And, no, the prsident and PM will be not forever inextricably associated in the public’s eyes as being hand in hand. Luckily British voters are sensible enough to understand the necessity for, and limitations of, smoozing with foreign leader. We are talking here about a democratically elected president, not Blair and a foreign despot in a desert tent.
It is also the 69th Anniversary of the assassination of Mahatma Ghandi. I wonder how Richard Tyndall is celebrating it?
It's interesting to contemplate which countries a Hitler-style takeover could occur in nowadays, if any. His techniques were, by modern standards, rather blunt. If you want to gain and maintain control nowadays, there are more subtle ways of doing it.
Trump is Trump. Like the bloke on the tube said "He's a c*nt, but there's nothing we can do about it"
Oh, and this:
https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/826176874699227137
It's all a good deal more complex than is portrayed by some of the more fundamentalist voices at either extreme of the political divide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sg
But feel free to use it to make a cheap political point why don't you.
Scapegoating and banishing groups of people who are seen as threats, including immigrants and religious minorities
Degrading, ridiculing, and demeaning rivals and critics
Fostering a cult of the Strong Man who appeals to fear and anger
Promises to solve our problems if we just trust in him
Reinvents history and has little concern for truth (and) sees no need for rational persuasion.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/psychologists-warn-president-displays-classic-9724221