Of course it is our business - what Trump does has a direct affect on us and perceptions of us. We march hand-in-hand with him, after all. The Prime Minister wants to lead the world in partnership with him. She has put the UK's eggs in the US's basket. She has made US policies a matter for debate in the UK.
US policies are always a matter for debate in the UK, and we always march hand-in-hand with them on most major issues. That doesn't mean that the UK government should be so presumptuous as to try to tell a democratically-elected president of the US, no matter how vulgar and simplistic he is, that he shouldn't implement a campaign promise on which he was elected and which, we are told, doesn't affect British citizens.
In any case, the reaction is ludicrous. Perhaps people like Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband really do think Trump has introduced a ban on Muslims. There's much fake news about, and perhaps they've fallen for it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending Trump' policy. I'm defending his right to be an idiot, within the bounds of US and international law, since he is, for better or worse, the democratically-elected president. Comparisons with the 1930s are completely bonkers. So far he has put in place a 90-day ban on the granting of visas to citizens of a few countries. He hasn't bombed anyone, or set up an internment camp in Guantanamo Bay to which people are sent without trial, as Blair's bestest friend did.
It's not just a visa ban, it's also denial of entry to those with valid visas. And some have been detained for long periods without access to a lawyer.
Of course it is our business - what Trump does has a direct affect on us and perceptions of us. We march hand-in-hand with him, after all. The Prime Minister wants to lead the world in partnership with him. She has put the UK's eggs in the US's basket. She has made US policies a matter for debate in the UK.
US policies are always a matter for debate in the UK, and we always march hand-in-hand with them on most major issues. That doesn't mean that the UK government should be so presumptuous as to try to tell a democratically-elected president of the US, no matter how vulgar and simplistic he is, that he shouldn't implement a campaign promise on which he was elected and which, we are told, doesn't affect British citizens.
In any case, the reaction is ludicrous. Perhaps people like Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband really do think Trump has introduced a ban on Muslims. There's much fake news about, and perhaps they've fallen for it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending Trump' policy. I'm defending his right to be an idiot, within the bounds of US and international law, since he is, for better or worse, the democratically-elected president. Comparisons with the 1930s are completely bonkers. So far he has put in place a 90-day ban on the granting of visas to citizens of a few countries. He hasn't bombed anyone, or set up an internment camp in Guantanamo Bay to which people are sent without trial, as Blair's bestest friend did.
You defend his right to be an idiot; others say he is an idiot. When you issue blanket bans based on nationality and place of birth you are, of course, returning t the 1930s.
The Uk border entry policy currently discriminates between people from EU countries and those from non EU countries.
It's not just a visa ban, it's also denial of entry to those with valid visas. And some have been detained for long periods without access to a lawyer.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016 @JamieRoss7: It must be awful to strongly believe in Brexit and be watching your campaigns make an absolute horse's arse of it.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016 Just how stupid do the Brexiteer's think the public are? @DPJHodges: Dominic Raab says Barack Obama's comments "don't reflect US trade policy". Dominic Raab or Barack Obama on US trade policy. Your choice.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016 @jennymparks: Obama's Brexit referendum intervention is "largely irrelevant" according to @LiamFoxMP #newsnight It was a largely irrelevant, apocalyptically bad for Remain, intervention Glad we cleared that up
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016 @JamieRoss7: It must be awful to strongly believe in Brexit and be watching your campaigns make an absolute horse's arse of it.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016 Just how stupid do the Brexiteer's think the public are? @DPJHodges: Dominic Raab says Barack Obama's comments "don't reflect US trade policy". Dominic Raab or Barack Obama on US trade policy. Your choice.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016 @jennymparks: Obama's Brexit referendum intervention is "largely irrelevant" according to @LiamFoxMP #newsnight It was a largely irrelevant, apocalyptically bad for Remain, intervention Glad we cleared that up
He would have been right on the Obama vs. Raab point if Clinton had won.
SouthamObserver • Posts: 19,033 April 2016 Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes.
Predictions, which are the business of this site, will frequently be wrong. Not sure we should necessarily castigate those who get things wrong sometimes, as that would include all of us (my 2016 race weekend tips were notoriously bad).
Fuck it, Let's just join in a massive English speaking Global Federation, inspired and led by the wise and great Donald Trump (Peace Be Upon Him).
USA, UK, Canada, Aus, NZ. The Five Eyes of Human Freedom.
We would DOMINATE THE WORLD. China would never surpass us, We would regard all French people as gnarled and twisted little midgets, even MORE than they are now. Germany would be our BITCH.
Let's do it. UNITE THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE.
A large proportion of Canadian speak French...what would you do with them?
Fuck it, Let's just join in a massive English speaking Global Federation, inspired and led by the wise and great Donald Trump (Peace Be Upon Him).
USA, UK, Canada, Aus, NZ. The Five Eyes of Human Freedom.
We would DOMINATE THE WORLD. China would never surpass us, We would regard all French people as gnarled and twisted little midgets, even MORE than they are now. Germany would be our BITCH.
Let's do it. UNITE THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE.
A large proportion of Canadian speak French...what would you do with them?
It's the best - and most exclusive - club in the world.
The EU have expressed great concern today that the US is not their friend.
Maybe they should hug us tighter and do a quick trade deal - the irony in all this is that if Trump makes EU exports and travel extremely difficult European Companies could relocate to UK to benefit from our special relationship
Fuck it, Let's just join in a massive English speaking Global Federation, inspired and led by the wise and great Donald Trump (Peace Be Upon Him).
USA, UK, Canada, Aus, NZ. The Five Eyes of Human Freedom.
We would DOMINATE THE WORLD. China would never surpass us, We would regard all French people as gnarled and twisted little midgets, even MORE than they are now. Germany would be our BITCH.
Let's do it. UNITE THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE.
A large proportion of Canadian speak French...what would you do with them?
SouthamObserver • Posts: 19,033 April 2016 Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes.
Good quote. And I think that since that day the Obama is a half-Kenyan, uppity colonial brigade have proved me absolutely right.
What is the position in France now that Hamon has been chosen as the PS candidate?
First, his poll score has doubled from 6%-8% to 13%-15%, and he has knocked Mélenchon into fifth place. That is quite something for the nominee of the party of the unpopular Hollande. And it's the first time any PS candidate has been in front of Mélenchon for a long while. Which shows the worth of getting your face and actions into the media.
Second, whilst I realise I'm comparing one company's polling with another's, at the top of the rankings Le Pen is now further ahead of both Fillon and Macron (3%-4% , from 1%-2%).
In the US it was Trump's election all the time from the Republican primaries to the vote. His campaign didn't seem to mind that he came out with statements that were rapidly exposed even in mainstream media as lies; or that he spoke about Obamacare without knowing much about what it is; or that he acted in ways, even on film, that few people would be willing to stand up among those who have any decency and argue were anything other than obnoxious. Insulting Ted Cruz's wife, mocking disabled and ill people, hinting that gun nuts should murder Hillary Clinton if she beat him, and so on. None of that mattered. The man's face was everywhere. He was the talk of the town. At some points he was doing new stuff almost every day. The guy at the Spectator who said Trump isn't good at rhetoric clearly hasn't grasped properly what rhetoric is. Ancient Greek rhetoricians were in fact very keen on teaching appropriateness to occasion. Contrary to what some have said, Trump had the media in the palm of his hand. His rallies were important, but most of those who voted for him didn't physically attend any.
Le Pen's public persona is very different from Trump's, but she has to achieve similar ownership over the election to win it.
According to the Kantar-Sofres poll, NONE of the candidates gets more respondents saying YES rather than NO when asked whether they would make a good president! Not even Macron.
Of course it is our business - what Trump does has a direct affect on us and perceptions of us. We march hand-in-hand with him, after all. The Prime Minister wants to lead the world in partnership with him. She has put the UK's eggs in the US's basket. She has made US policies a matter for debate in the UK.
US policies are always a matter for debate in the UK, and we always march hand-in-hand with them on most major issues. That doesn't mean that the UK government should be so presumptuous as to try to tell a democratically-elected president of the US, no matter how vulgar and simplistic he is, that he shouldn't implement a campaign promise on which he was elected and which, we are told, doesn't affect British citizens.
In any case, the reaction is ludicrous. Perhaps people like Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband really do think Trump has introduced a ban on Muslims. There's much fake news about, and perhaps they've fallen for it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending Trump' policy. I'm defending his right to be an idiot, within the bounds of US and international law, since he is, for better or worse, the democratically-elected president. Comparisons with the 1930s are completely bonkers. So far he has put in place a 90-day ban on the granting of visas to citizens of a few countries. He hasn't bombed anyone, or set up an internment camp in Guantanamo Bay to which people are sent without trial, as Blair's bestest friend did.
You defend his right to be an idiot; others say he is an idiot. When you issue blanket bans based on nationality and place of birth you are, of course, returning t the 1930s.
The Uk border entry policy currently discriminates between people from EU countries and those from non EU countries.
So the USA is returning to the present day.
As far as I know no-one is automatically banned from entering the UK based solely on where they were born.
Mr. Observer, it's entirely possible to think Obama was a significantly under-achieving president who was not a friend of the UK without casting aspersions on his race or heritage.
It's the best - and most exclusive - club in the world.
The EU have expressed great concern today that the US is not their friend.
Maybe they should hug us tighter and do a quick trade deal - the irony in all this is that if Trump makes EU exports and travel extremely difficult European Companies could relocate to UK to benefit from our special relationship
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here Big_G. I have every expectation that Trump will do something epically stupid (despite all the hysteria, this visa suspension doesn't actually cross that threshold), that will ruin everything. All depends on how he works with Congress and the Senate.
The EU is incapable of doing anything 'quick'. By dint of its treaty provisions and organisational structure, almost anything more complex than 'what shall we have for lunch' is going to take years. I predict our Brexit deal will be signed two minutes before midnight on March 31st 2019. It's just the way it is.
Imagine if Labour had been honest at an election and said "We are going to open the borders of the UK to whoever the fuck we like, just to rub the Right's nose in diversity....."
Labour should just have the decency to STFU about who is allowed across what borders. But then, Olympic-qualifying hypocrisy is all they have offered for many a year.
Of course it is our business - what Trump does has a direct affect on us and perceptions of us. We march hand-in-hand with him, after all. The Prime Minister wants to lead the world in partnership with him. She has put the UK's eggs in the US's basket. She has made US policies a matter for debate in the UK.
US policies are always a matter for debate in the UK, and we always march hand-in-hand with them on most major issues. That doesn't mean that the UK government should be so presumptuous as to try to tell a democratically-elected president of the US, no matter how vulgar and simplistic he is, that he shouldn't implement a campaign promise on which he was elected and which, we are told, doesn't affect British citizens.
In any case, the reaction is ludicrous. Perhaps people like Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband really do think Trump has introduced a ban on Muslims. There's much fake news about, and perhaps they've fallen for it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending Trump' policy. I'm defending his right to be an idiot, within the bounds of US and international law, since he is, for better or worse, the democratically-elected president. Comparisons with the 1930s are completely bonkers. So far he has put in place a 90-day ban on the granting of visas to citizens of a few countries. He hasn't bombed anyone, or set up an internment camp in Guantanamo Bay to which people are sent without trial, as Blair's bestest friend did.
You defend his right to be an idiot; others say he is an idiot. When you issue blanket bans based on nationality and place of birth you are, of course, returning t the 1930s.
Obama and Carter did the same, you stupid fucking cock.
It's the best - and most exclusive - club in the world.
The EU have expressed great concern today that the US is not their friend.
Maybe they should hug us tighter and do a quick trade deal - the irony in all this is that if Trump makes EU exports and travel extremely difficult European Companies could relocate to UK to benefit from our special relationship
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here Big_G. I have every expectation that Trump will do something epically stupid (despite all the hysteria, this visa suspension doesn't actually cross that threshold), that will ruin everything. All depends on how he works with Congress and the Senate.
The EU is incapable of doing anything 'quick'. By dint of its treaty provisions and organisational structure, almost anything more complex than 'what shall we have for lunch' is going to take years. I predict our Brexit deal will be signed two minutes before midnight on March 31st 2019. It's just the way it is.
thats the way every serious negotiation is resolved. I look forward to the increasing breathlessness of tv media and confidently predict that the BBC, across its various outlets, will need a suburb of Bruxelles cleared to house its key staff.
Imagine if Labour had been honest at an election and said "We are going to open the borders of the UK to whoever the fuck we like, just to rub the Right's nose in diversity....."
Labour should just have the decency to STFU about who is allowed across what borders. But then, Olympic-qualifying hypocrisy is all they have offered for many a year.
What have the Tories offered?
But isn't that what everyone on the left (and by extension, any right thinking person) wants? Ever rising immigration? Come one, come all? No upper limit?
Mr. Observer, it's entirely possible to think Obama was a significantly under-achieving president who was not a friend of the UK without casting aspersions on his race or heritage.
What is the position in France now that Hamon has been chosen as the PS candidate?
First, his poll score has doubled from 6%-8% to 13%-15%, and he has knocked Mélenchon into fifth place. That is quite something for the nominee of the party of the unpopular Hollande. And it's the first time any PS candidate has been in front of Mélenchon for a long while. Which shows the worth of getting your face and actions into the media.
Second, whilst I realise I'm comparing one company's polling with another's, at the top of the rankings Le Pen is now further ahead of both Fillon and Macron (3%-4% , from 1%-2%).
In the US it was Trump's election all the time from the Republican primaries to the vote. His campaign didn't seem to mind that he came out with statements that were rapidly exposed even in mainstream media as lies; or that he spoke about Obamacare without knowing much about what it is; or that he acted in ways, even on film, that few people would be willing to stand up among those who have any decency and argue were anything other than obnoxious. Insulting Ted Cruz's wife, mocking disabled and ill people, hinting that gun nuts should murder Hillary Clinton if she beat him, and so on. None of that mattered. The man's face was everywhere. He was the talk of the town. At some points he was doing new stuff almost every day. The guy at the Spectator who said Trump isn't good at rhetoric clearly hasn't grasped properly what rhetoric is. Ancient Greek rhetoricians were in fact very keen on teaching appropriateness to occasion. Contrary to what some have said, Trump had the media in the palm of his hand. His rallies were important, but most of those who voted for him didn't physically attend any.
Le Pen's public persona is very different from Trump's, but she has to achieve similar ownership over the election to win it.
According to the Kantar-Sofres poll, NONE of the candidates gets more respondents saying YES rather than NO when asked whether they would make a good president! Not even Macron.
Hamon increases LePen s chances if Fillon is eliminated. I cant see the french middle classes turning out in droves to vote for Corbyn fils.
At what point does LP become the lesser of 2 evils ?
It's the best - and most exclusive - club in the world.
The EU have expressed great concern today that the US is not their friend.
Maybe they should hug us tighter and do a quick trade deal - the irony in all this is that if Trump makes EU exports and travel extremely difficult European Companies could relocate to UK to benefit from our special relationship
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here Big_G. I have every expectation that Trump will do something epically stupid (despite all the hysteria, this visa suspension doesn't actually cross that threshold), that will ruin everything. All depends on how he works with Congress and the Senate.
The EU is incapable of doing anything 'quick'. By dint of its treaty provisions and organisational structure, almost anything more complex than 'what shall we have for lunch' is going to take years. I predict our Brexit deal will be signed two minutes before midnight on March 31st 2019. It's just the way it is.
I know it may sound fanciful but only a few weeks ago President Trump would have sounded the same.
Just watching the Commons on BBC Parliament and it strikes me that there are a disproportionate number of SNP members asking questions. I guess they have nothing better to do as I guess they don't have that much constituency work to do. If you have a problem, you'd go to your MSP.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian 2h2 hours ago More What happens if Fillon ends up having to drop out? Well-liked candidate Juppé has already said he wouldn't run as second choice, so...Sarko?
At 180 on BF. Definitely a wild flutter, but if 2016 is like 2017...DYOR.
What an offensive and preposterous interview. Trump is the president of the United States of America, and won that position against all odds, and won it legally and democratically.
Caroline Lucas is the Green MP for Brighton and Hove.
Trump has imposed a ban which merely amps up specific limitations already put in place by Obama. For 90 days.
What would these people do and say if they actually met a REAL Fascist. Her ovaries would probably pop.
A passport entitles its carrier to assistance from the issuing regime, assuming you are not also a citizen of the country you've travelled to. And the country you travel to recognises that right when they let you in. If a regime breaks off diplomatic relations entirely with a second regime, as the US did with Iran in 1980, the first will not let the second directly assist its nationals on the first's territory, and if you were a citizen of the second you wouldn't want to visit the first without protection. What Trump has done is different from Carter and Iran.
What an offensive and preposterous interview. Trump is the president of the United States of America, and won that position against all odds, and won it legally and democratically.
Caroline Lucas is the Green MP for Brighton and Hove.
Trump has imposed a ban which merely amps up specific limitations already put in place by Obama. For 90 days.
What would these people do and say if they actually met a REAL Fascist. Her ovaries would probably pop.
Leavers spend the whole of 2016 drawing wildly irrational comparisons with the Second World War and now in 2017 we're supposed to believe that those types of references are so over?
Full marks for hypocrisy for the foaming Europhobes.
Of course it is our business - what Trump does has a direct affect on us and perceptions of us. We march hand-in-hand with him, after all. The Prime Minister wants to lead the world in partnership with him. She has put the UK's eggs in the US's basket. She has made US policies a matter for debate in the UK.
US policies are always a matter for debate in the UK, and we always march hand-in-hand with them on most major issues. That doesn't mean that the UK government should be so presumptuous as to try to tell a democratically-elected president of the US, no matter how vulgar and simplistic he is, that he shouldn't implement a campaign promise on which he was elected and which, we are told, doesn't affect British citizens.
In any case, the reaction is ludicrous. Perhaps people like Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband really do think Trump has introduced a ban on Muslims. There's much fake news about, and perhaps they've fallen for it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending Trump' policy. I'm defending his right to be an idiot, within the bounds of US and international law, since he is, for better or worse, the democratically-elected president. Comparisons with the 1930s are completely bonkers. So far he has put in place a 90-day ban on the granting of visas to citizens of a few countries. He hasn't bombed anyone, or set up an internment camp in Guantanamo Bay to which people are sent without trial, as Blair's bestest friend did.
It's not just a visa ban, it's also denial of entry to those with valid visas. And some have been detained for long periods without access to a lawyer.
RN.
I'm not defending Trump policy.....
I'd be interested to know what you'd have written if you were. The problem with Tories and I include Blair is that their morality is very much second to expediency and it always has been.
Leavers spend the whole of 2016 drawing wildly irrational comparisons with the Second World War and now in 2017 we're supposed to believe that those types of references are so over?
Full marks for hypocrisy for the foaming Europhobes.
Did we? I thought it was Remainers who said Brexit = WW3.
Leavers spend the whole of 2016 drawing wildly irrational comparisons with the Second World War and now in 2017 we're supposed to believe that those types of references are so over?
Full marks for hypocrisy for the foaming Europhobes.
And it's full marks for you for another fine example of screaming metropolitan hyperbole. Bravo.
What an offensive and preposterous interview. Trump is the president of the United States of America, and won that position against all odds, and won it legally and democratically.
Caroline Lucas is the Green MP for Brighton and Hove.
Trump has imposed a ban which merely amps up specific limitations already put in place by Obama. For 90 days.
What would these people do and say if they actually met a REAL Fascist. Her ovaries would probably pop.
Trump did what he said he would do during the campaign, and it appears broadly positively viewed in the US.
It has to be said that it appears to have been rushed through without the appropriate legal etc reviews, and was in place so fast that the airlines and border patrol were unsure of exactly what they were enforcing.
The denial of admission to Green Card holders is ridiculous - they do have after all legal right of residence in the US. This does appear to have been fixed.
Everyone seems to be calling this a 'muslim ban'. It's not - it's a ban on folks from countries which foment the most terrorists, and they happen to be mainly muslim countries. Mabe Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be on the list, but that's a matter for debate.
If it was truly a 'muslim ban' then it would include Pakistan and the biggest Muslim country of all - Indonesia. There are over 40 mainly muslim countries, and the ban affects 6.
What an offensive and preposterous interview. Trump is the president of the United States of America, and won that position against all odds, and won it legally and democratically.
Caroline Lucas is the Green MP for Brighton and Hove.
Trump has imposed a ban which merely amps up specific limitations already put in place by Obama. For 90 days.
What would these people do and say if they actually met a REAL Fascist. Her ovaries would probably pop.
Trump did what he said he would do during the campaign, and it appears broadly positively viewed in the US.
It has to be said that it appears to have been rushed through without the appropriate legal etc reviews, and was in place so fast that the airlines and border patrol were unsure of exactly what they were enforcing.
The denial of admission to Green Card holders is ridiculous - they do have after all legal right of residence in the US. This does appear to have been fixed.
Everyone seems to be calling this a 'muslim ban'. It's not - it's a ban on folks from countries which foment the most terrorists, and they happen to be mainly muslim countries. Mabe Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be on the list, but that's a matter for debate.
If it was truly a 'muslim ban' then it would include Pakistan and the biggest Muslim country of all - Indonesia. There are over 40 mainly muslim countries, and the ban affects 6.
9 of the 10 most populous Muslim countries aren't included in the ban. The exception is Iran.
Leavers spend the whole of 2016 drawing wildly irrational comparisons with the Second World War and now in 2017 we're supposed to believe that those types of references are so over?
Full marks for hypocrisy for the foaming Europhobes.
One thousand years from now, there won't be any LEAVERS and there won't be any REMAINERS, just wankers. Sounds all right to me.
One of Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir was not a gunman but a witness... I reckon Bissonnette must be the gunman, he fled, Khadir arrested at the mosque
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian 2h2 hours ago More What happens if Fillon ends up having to drop out? Well-liked candidate Juppé has already said he wouldn't run as second choice, so...Sarko?
At 180 on BF. Definitely a wild flutter, but if 2016 is like 2017...DYOR.
I think Juppe would end up running. His denial that he would run is only to be expected, anything less would be seen as putting pressure on Fillon and possibly pre-judging the issue.
His Party would want a candidate who would have the best chance for success and he was not only the runner-up in the Primary, ahead of Sarkozy but was also riding high in the polls up until the time of his exclusion.
What an offensive and preposterous interview. Trump is the president of the United States of America, and won that position against all odds, and won it legally and democratically.
Caroline Lucas is the Green MP for Brighton and Hove.
Trump has imposed a ban which merely amps up specific limitations already put in place by Obama. For 90 days.
What would these people do and say if they actually met a REAL Fascist. Her ovaries would probably pop.
Trump did what he said he would do during the campaign, and it appears broadly positively viewed in the US.
It has to be said that it appears to have been rushed through without the appropriate legal etc reviews, and was in place so fast that the airlines and border patrol were unsure of exactly what they were enforcing.
The denial of admission to Green Card holders is ridiculous - they do have after all legal right of residence in the US. This does appear to have been fixed.
Everyone seems to be calling this a 'muslim ban'. It's not - it's a ban on folks from countries which foment the most terrorists, and they happen to be mainly muslim countries. Mabe Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be on the list, but that's a matter for debate.
If it was truly a 'muslim ban' then it would include Pakistan and the biggest Muslim country of all - Indonesia. There are over 40 mainly muslim countries, and the ban affects 6.
9 of the 10 most populous Muslim countries aren't included in the ban. The exception is Iran.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian 2h2 hours ago More What happens if Fillon ends up having to drop out? Well-liked candidate Juppé has already said he wouldn't run as second choice, so...Sarko?
At 180 on BF. Definitely a wild flutter, but if 2016 is like 2017...DYOR.
I think Juppe would end up running. His denial that he would run is only to be expected, anything less would be seen as putting pressure on Fillon and possibly pre-judging the issue.
His Party would want a candidate who would have the best chance for success and he was not only the runner-up in the Primary, ahead of Sarkozy but was also riding high in the polls up until the time of his exclusion.
Jesus every time you post I feel like the grim reaper of doom is trying to pull my French book apart.
Corbyn refers to "the petition supporting my calls"! He doesn't quite grasp the concept of "valid visa" either.
Why didn't Trump do this the grown-up way and have the acting Secretary of State call in the ambassadors and inform them that the US would no longer allow entry to their citizens?
The answer is that he wants to be a tough bully; he wants a fair-sized proportion of the US population thinking that refugees being denied entry because they're "possible turrurists" or "Moooslims" - no more wimpish, snowflaky, politically correct, cucky "caring" about the interests of these non-white foreigners - is the greatest thing they've ever heard. It's like watching the wrestling but for real, and no "librulz" are gonna tell them what they should and shouldn't think, etc. You can imagine them going "YEAH! GO TRUMP!" when they watch the TV. This is why. There was no imminent danger from any of the people who had already been issued with visas - no new intelligence.
Anecdotally, at least on my Facebook, is that most people who supported Brexit quite passionately here in the North East are very much against Donald Trump.
Of course it is our business - what Trump does has a direct affect on us and perceptions of us. We march hand-in-hand with him, after all. The Prime Minister wants to lead the world in partnership with him. She has put the UK's eggs in the US's basket. She has made US policies a matter for debate in the UK.
US policies are always a matter for debate in the UK, and we always march hand-in-hand with them on most major issues. That doesn't mean that the UK government should be so presumptuous as to try to tell a democratically-elected president of the US, no matter how vulgar and simplistic he is, that he shouldn't implement a campaign promise on which he was elected and which, we are told, doesn't affect British citizens.
In any case, the reaction is ludicrous. Perhaps people like Yvette Cooper and Ed Miliband really do think Trump has introduced a ban on Muslims. There's much fake news about, and perhaps they've fallen for it.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending Trump' policy. I'm defending his right to be an idiot, within the bounds of US and international law, since he is, for better or worse, the democratically-elected president. Comparisons with the 1930s are completely bonkers. So far he has put in place a 90-day ban on the granting of visas to citizens of a few countries. He hasn't bombed anyone, or set up an internment camp in Guantanamo Bay to which people are sent without trial, as Blair's bestest friend did.
It's not just a visa ban, it's also denial of entry to those with valid visas. And some have been detained for long periods without access to a lawyer.
RN.
I'm not defending Trump policy.....
I'd be interested to know what you'd have written if you were. The problem with Tories and I include Blair is that their morality is very much second to expediency and it always has been.
Tories can't apparently make up their mind whether they're One-Nation Conservatives, as in 1945-79, and before that, or Radical Right Liberals as from 1979-2017.
R4 reports Verhofstadt as saying Trump is as much a threat as radical Islam. I think/hope that's OTT but I know which bloc I'd rather be allied with. We're headed from the frying pan into the fire.
Anecdotally, at least on my Facebook, is that most people who supported Brexit quite passionately here in the North East are very much against Donald Trump.
Asking people in NE England whether they support Trump is neither here nor there, the question is whether they support Paul Nuttall.
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"We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality."
Who knew that people could get so exercised over the Sudan?
So the USA is returning to the present day.
@JamieRoss7: It must be awful to strongly believe in Brexit and be watching your campaigns make an absolute horse's arse of it.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016
Just how stupid do the Brexiteer's think the public are?
@DPJHodges: Dominic Raab says Barack Obama's comments "don't reflect US trade policy". Dominic Raab or Barack Obama on US trade policy. Your choice.
Scott_P • Posts: 24,788 April 2016
@jennymparks: Obama's Brexit referendum intervention is "largely irrelevant" according to @LiamFoxMP #newsnight
It was a largely irrelevant, apocalyptically bad for Remain, intervention
Glad we cleared that up
@nicholaswatt: Exemption granted in @BorisJohnson phone call today with @realDonaldTrump speechwriter Stephen Miller + with involvement of Jared Kushner
Lloyd George?
Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes.
Predictions, which are the business of this site, will frequently be wrong. Not sure we should necessarily castigate those who get things wrong sometimes, as that would include all of us (my 2016 race weekend tips were notoriously bad).
Maybe they should hug us tighter and do a quick trade deal - the irony in all this is that if Trump makes EU exports and travel extremely difficult European Companies could relocate to UK to benefit from our special relationship
First, his poll score has doubled from 6%-8% to 13%-15%, and he has knocked Mélenchon into fifth place. That is quite something for the nominee of the party of the unpopular Hollande. And it's the first time any PS candidate has been in front of Mélenchon for a long while. Which shows the worth of getting your face and actions into the media.
Second, whilst I realise I'm comparing one company's polling with another's, at the top of the rankings Le Pen is now further ahead of both Fillon and Macron (3%-4% , from 1%-2%).
In the US it was Trump's election all the time from the Republican primaries to the vote. His campaign didn't seem to mind that he came out with statements that were rapidly exposed even in mainstream media as lies; or that he spoke about Obamacare without knowing much about what it is; or that he acted in ways, even on film, that few people would be willing to stand up among those who have any decency and argue were anything other than obnoxious. Insulting Ted Cruz's wife, mocking disabled and ill people, hinting that gun nuts should murder Hillary Clinton if she beat him, and so on. None of that mattered. The man's face was everywhere. He was the talk of the town. At some points he was doing new stuff almost every day. The guy at the Spectator who said Trump isn't good at rhetoric clearly hasn't grasped properly what rhetoric is. Ancient Greek rhetoricians were in fact very keen on teaching appropriateness to occasion. Contrary to what some have said, Trump had the media in the palm of his hand. His rallies were important, but most of those who voted for him didn't physically attend any.
Le Pen's public persona is very different from Trump's, but she has to achieve similar ownership over the election to win it.
According to the Kantar-Sofres poll, NONE of the candidates gets more respondents saying YES rather than NO when asked whether they would make a good president! Not even Macron.
The EU is incapable of doing anything 'quick'. By dint of its treaty provisions and organisational structure, almost anything more complex than 'what shall we have for lunch' is going to take years. I predict our Brexit deal will be signed two minutes before midnight on March 31st 2019. It's just the way it is.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/sorry-mr-president-the-obama-administration-did-nothing-similar-to-your-immigration-ban/
Carter did it in retaliation during the Iranian hostage crisis:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=33233
Neither acted in a way comparable to Trump.
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At what point does LP become the lesser of 2 evils ?
I, of course, am not a fan.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/super-bowl-ticket-market-cools-and-heres-one-of-the-reasons-no-cowboys-215301216.html
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What happens if Fillon ends up having to drop out? Well-liked candidate Juppé has already said he wouldn't run as second choice, so...Sarko?
At 180 on BF. Definitely a wild flutter, but if 2016 is like 2017...DYOR.
Full marks for hypocrisy for the foaming Europhobes.
I'm not defending Trump policy.....
I'd be interested to know what you'd have written if you were. The problem with Tories and I include Blair is that their morality is very much second to expediency and it always has been.
I had a run where every Ladbrokes bet seemed to come off and every Betfair one didn't, so my accounts are now thoroughly lopsided.
It has to be said that it appears to have been rushed through without the appropriate legal etc reviews, and was in place so fast that the airlines and border patrol were unsure of exactly what they were enforcing.
The denial of admission to Green Card holders is ridiculous - they do have after all legal right of residence in the US. This does appear to have been fixed.
Everyone seems to be calling this a 'muslim ban'. It's not - it's a ban on folks from countries which foment the most terrorists, and they happen to be mainly muslim countries. Mabe Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be on the list, but that's a matter for debate.
If it was truly a 'muslim ban' then it would include Pakistan and the biggest Muslim country of all - Indonesia. There are over 40 mainly muslim countries, and the ban affects 6.
Just keeping up PB's pedantry tradition.
None of the 9/11 terrorists came from any of these countries, did they?
https://twitter.com/dailymail/status/826127450308481025
His Party would want a candidate who would have the best chance for success and he was not only the runner-up in the Primary, ahead of Sarkozy but was also riding high in the polls up until the time of his exclusion.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2017/most_support_temporary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928&area=eng
Why didn't Trump do this the grown-up way and have the acting Secretary of State call in the ambassadors and inform them that the US would no longer allow entry to their citizens?
The answer is that he wants to be a tough bully; he wants a fair-sized proportion of the US population thinking that refugees being denied entry because they're "possible turrurists" or "Moooslims" - no more wimpish, snowflaky, politically correct, cucky "caring" about the interests of these non-white foreigners - is the greatest thing they've ever heard. It's like watching the wrestling but for real, and no "librulz" are gonna tell them what they should and shouldn't think, etc. You can imagine them going "YEAH! GO TRUMP!" when they watch the TV. This is why. There was no imminent danger from any of the people who had already been issued with visas - no new intelligence.
R4 reports Verhofstadt as saying Trump is as much a threat as radical Islam. I think/hope that's OTT but I know which bloc I'd rather be allied with. We're headed from the frying pan into the fire.