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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    edited January 2017
    First - like a Corbynite in a CLP ballot.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,969
    edited January 2017
    A distant second.

    Thanks for this.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,379
    edited January 2017
    3 like the number of clarifications 10 Downing St had to make re. the state visit.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    An also ran... Like George Osborne!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    4 like the number of qualifications Nicola has had to make about SindyRef2
  • Ps, thanks for piece NP, and for 'salonfaehig'; so aposite for current travails!
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Tangentially on thread.

    I'm interested in finding out the impact of fake news/rogue polls/disinformation on voting patterns. If any of this could be traced back to Russian involvement it could be a bit of a hand grenade.

    We were discussing this last night at home and both thought that this type of manoeuvring does suggest an ex-intelligence guru.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Ps, thanks for piece NP, and for 'salonfaehig'; so aposite for current travails!

    That word is entering my vocabulary.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,991
    A very fair analysis from Nick with the slightly odd exception of the first two sentences. "The general assumption that Merkel is certain to be re-elected as Chancellor after the elections later this year is reflected in the betting odds. At the time of writing, her Betfair odds are 1.73."

    Nick, I think, draws the right conclusion that 1.73 offers value but by definition, it's quite a long way from odds reflecting a certainty.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2017
    All those who backed 'Mohamed', form an orderly queue

    https://twitter.com/woodsallan/status/826074453037682692
  • 4 like the number of qualifications Nicola has had to make about SindyRef2

    Chortle, wrong again.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Sixth like Corbyn in Copeland. Well, a girl can hope, can't she?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241

    4 like the number of qualifications Nicola has had to make about SindyRef2

    Chortle, wrong again.
    You're right....five.....

    The Scottish First Minister has a meeting with Prime Minister Theresa May in Downing Street which, if not handled delicately by Nicola Sturgeon, will serve only to emphasise how isolated and irrelevant she has become to the Brexit process. Unfortunately delicacy is not the modus operandi of the First Minister.....

    .......enthusiasm for a pre-Brexit independence referendum has fallen considerably, from forty-two per cent last June to thirty-two percent in September and only twenty-seven per cent now. Worse still, a majority of fifty-one per cent do not want another independence vote held within the next few years.


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/brian-monteith-are-wheels-about-to-come-off-snp-bandwagon-1-4352200
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    My wife is German, and given the comments she's made to me, I think Nick's analysis is absolutely spot on.

    Merkel vs Gabriel would have been no contest (think May vs Corbyn) but Schulz is a more credible opponent. Having said that, although Schulz is a safe pair of hands, he's no inspiring campaigner and likely to get stuck in policy minutiae. "Trust in Mutti" together with her signature gesture of how she holds her hands (the reverse bacon sandwich?) should see Merkel home comfortably. AfD are going backwards and split, and the FDP are struggling for relevance in the same way the Lib Dems were before the EU issue took off.

    The one risk I think NIck has missed is the CSU causing trouble. This is the Bavarian sister party of the CDU, and it's no secret that the leadership had misgivings about Merkel standing again due to criticism of the migrant issue. However Merkel is seen to have faced the opposition down, and any votes lost will be in her safest area (think the Tories losing 5% in Surrey) so I think they will get in line when it really matters.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
  • Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    edited January 2017
    isam said:

    All those who backed 'Mohamed', form an orderly queue

    https://twitter.com/woodsallan/status/826074453037682692

    It's clearly racist to assume someone called Mohamed is a muslim.....

    Don't jump to conclusions now.... ;)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyCliffe: New Merkel comment on Trump ban: "this act runs contrary to the basic principles of international refugee help & international cooperation"

    C.f. May "It's not our problem..."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,257
    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,257

    A very fair analysis from Nick with the slightly odd exception of the first two sentences. "The general assumption that Merkel is certain to be re-elected as Chancellor after the elections later this year is reflected in the betting odds. At the time of writing, her Betfair odds are 1.73."

    Nick, I think, draws the right conclusion that 1.73 offers value but by definition, it's quite a long way from odds reflecting a certainty.

    I would back Merkel north of 1.5 at this stage. No shorter until I know the outcomes of the French and Dutch elections, and how they pan out.

    I think Nick's analysis is pretty good.
  • A very fair analysis from Nick with the slightly odd exception of the first two sentences. "The general assumption that Merkel is certain to be re-elected as Chancellor after the elections later this year is reflected in the betting odds. At the time of writing, her Betfair odds are 1.73."

    Nick, I think, draws the right conclusion that 1.73 offers value but by definition, it's quite a long way from odds reflecting a certainty.

    I would back Merkel north of 1.5 at this stage. No shorter until I know the outcomes of the French and Dutch elections, and how they pan out.

    I think Nick's analysis is pretty good.
    I have got small amounts on both the CDU/CSU and Merkel personally.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,352
    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
    I think Charles is something of a titan, and have been increasingly impressed since he was first derided as talking to his tomatoes. I think he will be fine as HoS; he has enough experience.

    Looking up the numbers, the Prince's Trust alone has stimulated the creation of 125,000 business in the UK and abroad - a major achievement to sit alongside eg the Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme.

    I feel quite sorry for the Republican fringe. They can't argue against the Queen because she is excellent and popular; they can't say Constitutional Monarchy is a failure while it is working very well and they can't even compare us negatively with Republics that need reinventing twice a century (France) or have given us Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump.

    All they have left are ivory tower theorising, character assassinations on Charles, and making things up in their reports.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Interesting:

    Using British Social Attitudes data for 1985–2012 and applying age-period-cohort analysis and generalized additive models, this article investigates whether Thatcher’s Children hold more right-authoritarian political values compared to other political generations. The study further examines the extent to which the generation that came of age under New Labour – Blair’s Babies – shares these values. The findings for generation effects indicate that the later political generation is even more right-authoritarian, including with respect to attitudes to redistribution, welfare and crime. This view is supported by evidence of cohort effects. These results show that the legacy of Thatcherism for left-right and libertarian-authoritarian values is its long-term shaping of public opinion through political socialization.

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-political-science/article/div-classtitlethatchers-children-blairs-babies-political-socialization-and-trickle-down-value-change-an-age-period-and-cohort-analysisdiv/38664695516495C5A6C08BC656EEAB20/core-reader

    Contrasts with the young's generally greater enthusiasm for Corbyn....
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    First - like a Corbynite in a CLP ballot.

    surely not. All recent CL choices seem to have been backing Owen.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,889
    WRT the proposed State Visit of President Trump, isn’t there likely to be something of a security risk. Not to the President himself, I’m sure he’ll be well protected, but to public order in general. Almost certainly the present furore will have died down but there’s a reasonable likelihood of something else occuring by then.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    An interesting piece, Mr. Palmer, but the odds are too short to tempt me.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,991
    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
    Charles will do fine. People had similar nerves about and low expectations of Edward VII before he got the gig.

    In any case, under-promise and over-deliver is a fine political maxim, only complicated by the need in politics to have to bid for votes. Charles doesn't have that problem.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. T, if that reading of Schulz is correct, the implications for the eurozone could be interesting. Would he advocate fiscal transfers, closer integration of fiscal policy, the movement of power from national parliaments to the EU?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited January 2017
    Test your French here or try it in English http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/at-least-five-killed-in-shooting-at-quebec-city-mosque.html

    http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir

    "Les deux auteurs présumés de l'attentat terroriste à la mosquée de Sainte-Foy à Québec, qui a coûté la vie à six personnes, sont Alexandre Bissonnette et Mohamed Khadir, a appris TVA Nouvelles.

    Les deux suspects avaient été arrêtés à la suite de la fusillade au Centre culturel islamique de Québec, dans le secteur de Sainte-Foy, dimanche soir, peu avant 20h.

    Selon le Centre hospitalier universitaire de Québec (CHUQ), cinq personnes étaient également dans un état critique, deux dans un état stable et trois entre la vie et la mort. Également, 14 autres personnes ont été admises dans différents hôpitaux pour des soins mineurs, a précisé la porte-parole du CHUQ Genevieve Dupuis lors d’un point de presse lundi matin...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I agree with Nick (excellent piece, Mr Palmer). I suspect the length of Angela Merkel's price reflects in large part the manic hostility that so many Leavers hold toward her. 56% of the German public in a recent poll were satisfied with her performance. Those are not the ratings of a leader staring at defeat.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited January 2017
    PlatoSaid said:

    Test your French here

    http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir

    "Les deux auteurs présumés de l'attentat terroriste à la mosquée de Sainte-Foy à Québec, qui a coûté la vie à six personnes, sont Alexandre Bissonnette et Mohamed Khadir, a appris TVA Nouvelles.

    Les deux suspects avaient été arrêtés à la suite de la fusillade au Centre culturel islamique de Québec, dans le secteur de Sainte-Foy, dimanche soir, peu avant 20h.

    Selon le Centre hospitalier universitaire de Québec (CHUQ), cinq personnes étaient également dans un état critique, deux dans un état stable et trois entre la vie et la mort. Également, 14 autres personnes ont été admises dans différents hôpitaux pour des soins mineurs, a précisé la porte-parole du CHUQ Genevieve Dupuis lors d’un point de presse lundi matin...

    Google Translate says...

    "Two suspected perpetrators of the terrorist attack at the Sainte-Foy mosque in Quebec City, which claimed the lives of six people, were Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir, TVA News reported.

    The two suspects were arrested following the shooting at the Islamic Cultural Center in the Sainte-Foy area Sunday evening, shortly before 8 pm.

    According to the University Hospital Center of Quebec (CHUQ), five people were also in critical condition, two in stable condition and three between life and death. Also, 14 other people were admitted to various hospitals for minor care, said CHUQ spokeswoman Genevieve Dupuis during a press briefing Monday morning ...

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    PlatoSaid said:

    Test your French here or try it in English http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/at-least-five-killed-in-shooting-at-quebec-city-mosque.html

    http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir

    "Les deux auteurs présumés de l'attentat terroriste à la mosquée de Sainte-Foy à Québec, qui a coûté la vie à six personnes, sont Alexandre Bissonnette et Mohamed Khadir, a appris TVA Nouvelles.

    Les deux suspects avaient été arrêtés à la suite de la fusillade au Centre culturel islamique de Québec, dans le secteur de Sainte-Foy, dimanche soir, peu avant 20h.

    Selon le Centre hospitalier universitaire de Québec (CHUQ), cinq personnes étaient également dans un état critique, deux dans un état stable et trois entre la vie et la mort. Également, 14 autres personnes ont été admises dans différents hôpitaux pour des soins mineurs, a précisé la porte-parole du CHUQ Genevieve Dupuis lors d’un point de presse lundi matin...

    Not too testing, except that I have no idea whether "dans un état critique" or "entre la vie et la mort" is worse.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241

    WRT the proposed State Visit of President Trump, isn’t there likely to be something of a security risk. Not to the President himself, I’m sure he’ll be well protected, but to public order in general. Almost certainly the present furore will have died down but there’s a reasonable likelihood of something else occuring by then.

    They had the same issues with the Bush state visit & handled it fine.......
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290
    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
    The demographics of this are fascinating. According to the spreadsheet available here:
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/datasets/interimlifetablesengland
    HMQ, on her 90th birthday, could expect another 4.71 years on this mortal coil (see cell L98). We've already had about three-quarters of a year since her last birthday, so she's looking at another 4 years from now. Or, put another way, we're into roll-of-a-dice territory over whether we get a new King in the next 12 months.

    Now, there'll be few people as well looked after as her, so you might expect to shift her odds up a bit - but on the other hand that sort of thing is already priced in by her getting to 90 in the first place.

    The demographics of the super-old are fascinating. 18 year olds nowadays would expect to live to their mid-80s - but once you get there, your chances of living much longer diminish rapidly. And once you get to 99, your life expectancy is only just over 2 years - basically you've little better than a 50-50 chance of making your next birthday (I know that's mangling the maths slightly, but the conclusion is still true). I suspect the 90-percentile-spread of ages-at-death has narrowed dramatically in the past 50 years.

    So we've grown accustomed to people getting to their 90s, but getting past your 90s is still really very rare statistically.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,889

    WRT the proposed State Visit of President Trump, isn’t there likely to be something of a security risk. Not to the President himself, I’m sure he’ll be well protected, but to public order in general. Almost certainly the present furore will have died down but there’s a reasonable likelihood of something else occuring by then.

    They had the same issues with the Bush state visit & handled it fine.......
    Hmmm. I rather doubt it.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,991

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Maybe. But the line-up for the French election is looking increasingly like a least-worst scenario. If it is Le Pen / Macron / Fillon / Hamon (i.e. assuming no-one withdraws and is replaced), the moderates are only one scandal away from an awful result. Can Macron make the second round and if not, will the left hold their noses and vote for Fillon over Le Pen? The polls say they would at the moment but I'm not tempted by the odds; his support from that side of the spectrum won't be rock-solid and I can see many sitting on their hands.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Huh

    @sarahwollaston: Membershp of #Euratom also a condition for Britain hosting (currently) world's largest nuclear fusion experiment. Joint European Torus (JET)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290
    edited January 2017
    Cookie said:


    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...


    The demographics of this are fascinating. According to the spreadsheet available here:
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/datasets/interimlifetablesengland
    HMQ, on her 90th birthday, could expect another 4.71 years on this mortal coil (see cell L98). We've already had about three-quarters of a year since her last birthday, so she's looking at another 4 years from now. Or, put another way, we're into roll-of-a-dice territory over whether we get a new King in the next 12 months.

    In four years Prince Charles will be 72, at which point he has a life expectancy of 13.2 years (cell F80 of the same table). Of course, there is a minor but not insignificant possibility that he will not make it to 72 (around 8%, I think - based on multiplying the probabilities in column C for each of the next four years of his life).

    Now, there'll be few people as well looked after as her, so you might expect to shift her odds up a bit - but on the other hand that sort of thing is already priced in by her getting to 90 in the first place.

    The demographics of the super-old are fascinating. 18 year olds nowadays would expect to live to their mid-80s - but once you get there, your chances of living much longer diminish rapidly. And once you get to 98, your life expectancy is only just over 2 years - basically you've less than a 50-50 chance of making 100. I suspect the 90-percentile-spread of ages-at-death has narrowed dramatically in the past 50 years.

    So we've grown accustomed to people getting to their 90s, but getting past your 90s is still really very rare statistically.

    [edited slightly after spotting more data in the table to play with]
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    Ishmael_Z said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Test your French here or try it in English http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/at-least-five-killed-in-shooting-at-quebec-city-mosque.html

    http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir

    "Les deux auteurs présumés de l'attentat terroriste à la mosquée de Sainte-Foy à Québec, qui a coûté la vie à six personnes, sont Alexandre Bissonnette et Mohamed Khadir, a appris TVA Nouvelles.

    Les deux suspects avaient été arrêtés à la suite de la fusillade au Centre culturel islamique de Québec, dans le secteur de Sainte-Foy, dimanche soir, peu avant 20h.

    Selon le Centre hospitalier universitaire de Québec (CHUQ), cinq personnes étaient également dans un état critique, deux dans un état stable et trois entre la vie et la mort. Également, 14 autres personnes ont été admises dans différents hôpitaux pour des soins mineurs, a précisé la porte-parole du CHUQ Genevieve Dupuis lors d’un point de presse lundi matin...

    Not too testing, except that I have no idea whether "dans un état critique" or "entre la vie et la mort" is worse.
    Perhaps it's the difference between our critical and grave. Grave, sadly, is you're on your way out (I remember that fateful day when Princess Di was in the car crash and the news reports were that her situation was "grave", and thinking: uh-oh, that's it).
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241

    WRT the proposed State Visit of President Trump, isn’t there likely to be something of a security risk. Not to the President himself, I’m sure he’ll be well protected, but to public order in general. Almost certainly the present furore will have died down but there’s a reasonable likelihood of something else occuring by then.

    They had the same issues with the Bush state visit & handled it fine.......
    Hmmm. I rather doubt it.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/18/newsid_4141000/4141126.stm
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    In the same way that Trump and Brexit are good for Britain - i.e not at all.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,991
    MattW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
    I think Charles is something of a titan, and have been increasingly impressed since he was first derided as talking to his tomatoes. I think he will be fine as HoS; he has enough experience.

    After apprenticing for 65 years, you'd hope so.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,889
    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
    The demographics of this are fascinating. According to the spreadsheet available here:
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/datasets/interimlifetablesengland
    HMQ, on her 90th birthday, could expect another 4.71 years on this mortal coil (see cell L98). We've already had about three-quarters of a year since her last birthday, so she's looking at another 4 years from now. Or, put another way, we're into roll-of-a-dice territory over whether we get a new King in the next 12 months.

    Now, there'll be few people as well looked after as her, so you might expect to shift her odds up a bit - but on the other hand that sort of thing is already priced in by her getting to 90 in the first place.

    The demographics of the super-old are fascinating. 18 year olds nowadays would expect to live to their mid-80s - but once you get there, your chances of living much longer diminish rapidly. And once you get to 99, your life expectancy is only just over 2 years - basically you've little better than a 50-50 chance of making your next birthday (I know that's mangling the maths slightly, but the conclusion is still true). I suspect the 90-percentile-spread of ages-at-death has narrowed dramatically in the past 50 years.

    So we've grown accustomed to people getting to their 90s, but getting past your 90s is still really very rare statistically.
    Her mother, who, according to legend, drank more than she does, lived to over 100, so that also increases the possibility of longer life.
    We must be approaching the stage where the probablity of the Crown passing directly to William is rising.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    Presumably he's working on the assumption that any mainstream candidate will be hostile to the UK. This is not an unreasonable opinion. HOWEVER, Theresa May has made it quite clear that she wants the EU to be successful and stable after we go - and on that basis Le Pen would obviously be the worst possible president.

    The ideal candidate would be a pragmatist who was pro-EU, but willing to propose an orderly dismantling of the Euro. Sadly no such option is available.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,969
    Scott_P said:

    Huh

    @sarahwollaston: Membershp of #Euratom also a condition for Britain hosting (currently) world's largest nuclear fusion experiment. Joint European Torus (JET)

    It's not as if they're going to be 'moving' it.

    Although the long-term future of the project has to be in doubt; then there are the decommissioning costs. ISTR that the relevant parties wish us to keep to the decommissioning payment sharing agreement even if we leave; meaning we'd be liable for some of the decommissioning costs of European fusion schemes.

    Then again, ITER is in an even bigger mess ...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,991

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    I don't necessarily agree with Sean - I can see how Fillon might be best for Britain as a bridge between the UK and the EU - but I can also see an argument that were Le Pen to win, it would create absolute chaos within the EU and present it with its biggest existential crisis ever as they grappled with the question "is the project over"?

    Of the two - Brexit and a Le Pen win - she poses the greater danger, partly because France has always been a much more integral part of the EU than the UK and partly because France is a continuing part of the EU. As such, EU energies will be devoted to resolving that problem (which, ironically, would result from many of the things that Cameron flagged up back in his Bloomberg speech and which were singularly not addressed in his negotiations and which, had they been, would probably not have led to Brexit). There'd be no united EU front and negotiations would be more likely to go favourably for the UK.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290
    edited January 2017

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Would like to see the letters Charles is sending to Her Majesty's government at the moment...
    I predict the guy will be a disaster has our head of state.
    HMQ probably has another decade left on the Throne. Charles might be getting on for 80 when he finally gets to sit on the throne... So I assume his reign will be at the shorter end of the spectrum.
    The demographics of this are fascinating. According to the spreadsheet available here:
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/datasets/interimlifetablesengland
    HMQ, on her 90th birthday, could expect another 4.71 years on this mortal coil (see cell L98). We've already had about three-quarters of a year since her last birthday, so she's looking at another 4 years from now. Or, put another way, we're into roll-of-a-dice territory over whether we get a new King in the next 12 months.

    Now, there'll be few people as well looked after as her, so you might expect to shift her odds up a bit - but on the other hand that sort of thing is already priced in by her getting to 90 in the first place.

    The demographics of the super-old are fascinating. 18 year olds nowadays would expect to live to their mid-80s - but once you get there, your chances of living much longer diminish rapidly. And once you get to 99, your life expectancy is only just over 2 years - basically you've little better than a 50-50 chance of making your next birthday (I know that's mangling the maths slightly, but the conclusion is still true). I suspect the 90-percentile-spread of ages-at-death has narrowed dramatically in the past 50 years.

    So we've grown accustomed to people getting to their 90s, but getting past your 90s is still really very rare statistically.
    Her mother, who, according to legend, drank more than she does, lived to over 100, so that also increases the possibility of longer life.
    We must be approaching the stage where the probablity of the Crown passing directly to William is rising.
    Indeed (see my amended post - I ran out of time to edit the original). Without taking into account anything but the raw data in that table, the chances of Charles dying in the four years tha make up Elizabeth's remaining life expectancy is around 8%. (People with more time are welcome to refine the maths.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. T, I fear that would end up being counter-productive. We may find out (though I suspect Merkel will win).

    As an aside, I've decided against backing Bottas for four or five/five plus wins at 6 each, on the basis that the regulation changes add an element of doubt. Had the regulations remained as was, I might well've backed it.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    edited January 2017

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    From the tables I make it a 6% chance that William will be next. Others will correct me I'm sure.

    EDIT Just seen Cookie's estimate of 8%. Same ball court.
    EDIT again. I think 8% is correct.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    SeanT said:

    Mr. T, if that reading of Schulz is correct, the implications for the eurozone could be interesting. Would he advocate fiscal transfers, closer integration of fiscal policy, the movement of power from national parliaments to the EU?

    Yes, he does. He's an avowed EU superstater. So is Macron incidentally. If those two win, I think we'd see real and revolutionary moves to true EU political union.

    In this time of great change, who'd bet against it?
    It's doubly unlikely, but a Macron/Schulz combination could be the catalyst for the EZ to do the needful.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,003
    Charles apparently quite keen on meeting Trump, which rather undercuts the petition/outrage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/30/prince-charles-happy-meet-donald-trump-interfaith-islamic-connections
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    Nigelb said:

    Charles apparently quite keen on meeting Trump, which rather undercuts the petition/outrage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/30/prince-charles-happy-meet-donald-trump-interfaith-islamic-connections

    Royal sources say Charles’s connections with Islamic world might help his views to carry weight with the US president

    Good luck with that.
  • Trump's tiny hands are signing a load more Executive Orders...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Nigelb said:

    Charles apparently quite keen on meeting Trump, which rather undercuts the petition/outrage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/30/prince-charles-happy-meet-donald-trump-interfaith-islamic-connections

    Trump doesn't want to meet Charles
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,889

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,003
    I'm strongly inclined to dismiss this suggestion that Trump is planning a coup as paranoid nonsense, but as a thesis, it's not completely unpersuasive:
    https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.gvqdl7mgl
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Test your French here or try it in English http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/at-least-five-killed-in-shooting-at-quebec-city-mosque.html

    http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir

    "Les deux auteurs présumés de l'attentat terroriste à la mosquée de Sainte-Foy à Québec, qui a coûté la vie à six personnes, sont Alexandre Bissonnette et Mohamed Khadir, a appris TVA Nouvelles.

    Les deux suspects avaient été arrêtés à la suite de la fusillade au Centre culturel islamique de Québec, dans le secteur de Sainte-Foy, dimanche soir, peu avant 20h.

    Selon le Centre hospitalier universitaire de Québec (CHUQ), cinq personnes étaient également dans un état critique, deux dans un état stable et trois entre la vie et la mort. Également, 14 autres personnes ont été admises dans différents hôpitaux pour des soins mineurs, a précisé la porte-parole du CHUQ Genevieve Dupuis lors d’un point de presse lundi matin...

    Not too testing, except that I have no idea whether "dans un état critique" or "entre la vie et la mort" is worse.
    Perhaps it's the difference between our critical and grave. Grave, sadly, is you're on your way out (I remember that fateful day when Princess Di was in the car crash and the news reports were that her situation was "grave", and thinking: uh-oh, that's it).
    That was the last bit of major news I learned for the first time from a printed newspaper (MoS headline:"Dodi dead, Diana hurt in Paris crash").
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    Angela Merkel’s re-election might not be as certain as the betting markets think

    "the markets are probably underestimating the favourite"

    ?????????????
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    OT: Apropos of absolutely nothing. Sometimes the invective in here gets a tad heated. After watching "A Man for All Seasons", I came across this excerpt written by St Thomas More to Martin Luther:

    "throw back into your paternity's shitty mouth, truly the shit-pool of all shit, all the muck and shit which your damnable rottenness has vomited up"

    Something tells me that More would have fitted in very well on here ;).
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
    I think he's 68, no?
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    John_M said:

    OT: Apropos of absolutely nothing. Sometimes the invective in here gets a tad heated. After watching "A Man for All Seasons", I came across this excerpt written by St Thomas More to Martin Luther:

    "throw back into your paternity's shitty mouth, truly the shit-pool of all shit, all the muck and shit which your damnable rottenness has vomited up"

    Something tells me that More would have fitted in very well on here ;).

    It probably sounded classier in Latin.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    I'm no royalist but why the hell should we ask the Queen to work until she is 95+? Incidentally, one of my more minor objections to the monarchy (among several major ones) is that it's not much good for those in the monarchy. A life like that in the public eye with few freedoms, forced upon you, is inhumane.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
    68
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    She wants to restore French sovereignty. That means severely weakening the EU as a political poroject. A generous Brexit deal (from a British POV) would do that. Plus her victory would generally sow fear, doubt and confusion in higher EU ranks. Panic, even. And they'd be much much keener on a stabilising generous Brexit where maximum trade is maintained etc

    Indeed a Le Pen victory would change the context of Brexit so radically we might need a 2nd vote.

    So Remoaners should be praying that Le Pen wins.
    Sid and Doris....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    edited January 2017

    Trump's tiny hands are signing a load more Executive Orders...

    Has he outlawed petitions yet?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,889
    Cookie said:

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
    I think he's 68, no?
    Mea culpa. He is indeed 68, so seventeen years, allowing for a bit of rounding. Gives him something like 13 years as King.
    Possibly!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Very informative Nick.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited January 2017
    Good to see this article from Nick.

    The German electoral system is (as you'd expect!) complicated, but the gist of it is that any party that gets less than 5% of the vote is eliminated and the rest is divvied up proportionally. Thus, as Nick says, one of the questions is whether the FDP end up with over 5%, or (as last time) slip under and get nothing.

    Irrespective of that, though, the CDU/CSU look safe in terms of being the largest party, and, given that, it is quite hard to see any combination which doesn't end up with them as the dominant party in whatever government emerges. The problem which the two largest parties have is that there aren't really any palatable and willing coalition partners with whom it is likely to be possible to form a majority government. Probably another 'grand coalition' will be the final outcome, but the SPD won't be keen on the idea.

    It is, like the Irish election of 2015, a right old mess. Rather than try to second-guess both the seat shares and the outcome of the haggling in smoke-free rooms, I've simply bet on the CDU/CSU being the largest party, at what seemed like generous odds of 1.42. Those odds have now shortened somewhat, but it's worth keeping an eye on the 'Most Seats' market to see if value can be found there.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nicholaswatt: Tory MPs told by whips @HouseofCommons may sit til 1am to make way for emergency debate triggered by @Ed_Miliband on @realDonaldTrump order

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcudr6cTjm1rjq40do1_500.jpg
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited January 2017
    Update on the Canadian Mosque shooting...

    Two students have been arrested in Quebec for a deadly shooting at a mosque which killed six people. Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir were named by local media as the suspects, Mohamed is of 'Moroccan origin'. Witnesses told how they heard shouts of 'Allahu akbar' in Quebecois accents from the masked shooters

    This according to CBC News.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,003

    Nigelb said:

    Charles apparently quite keen on meeting Trump, which rather undercuts the petition/outrage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/30/prince-charles-happy-meet-donald-trump-interfaith-islamic-connections

    Royal sources say Charles’s connections with Islamic world might help his views to carry weight with the US president

    Good luck with that.
    Be fun to watch, though.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    Frexit and break of EU will free the continent of the idiot civil servants who are ruining it. And mysoginist religions might be put under scrutiny again as they should. It's a win/win.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Jobabob, I'm sure Alexius III wished Enrico Dandolo had retired on his 90th birthday.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264

    WRT the proposed State Visit of President Trump, isn’t there likely to be something of a security risk. Not to the President himself, I’m sure he’ll be well protected, but to public order in general. Almost certainly the present furore will have died down but there’s a reasonable likelihood of something else occuring by then.

    They had the same issues with the Bush state visit & handled it fine.......
    Hmmm. I rather doubt it.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/18/newsid_4141000/4141126.stm
    I seem to remember that Air Force 2 went over my office at the time on its way to land at Buck House?
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    agreed. Orwellian lunatic.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Scott_P said:

    @nicholaswatt: Tory MPs told by whips @HouseofCommons may sit til 1am to make way for emergency debate triggered by @Ed_Miliband on @realDonaldTrump order

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcudr6cTjm1rjq40do1_500.jpg

    Ed Miliband's phoenix act is one of the more baffling and unexpected developments of the already very weird past week.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    PlatoSaid said:
    He's not articulate or interesting. Just another cult member. Am I missing something?
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    I don't necessarily agree with Sean - I can see how Fillon might be best for Britain as a bridge between the UK and the EU - but I can also see an argument that were Le Pen to win, it would create absolute chaos within the EU and present it with its biggest existential crisis ever as they grappled with the question "is the project over"?

    Of the two - Brexit and a Le Pen win - she poses the greater danger, partly because France has always been a much more integral part of the EU than the UK and partly because France is a continuing part of the EU. As such, EU energies will be devoted to resolving that problem (which, ironically, would result from many of the things that Cameron flagged up back in his Bloomberg speech and which were singularly not addressed in his negotiations and which, had they been, would probably not have led to Brexit). There'd be no united EU front and negotiations would be more likely to go favourably for the UK.

    And markets across Europe would tank, which given its importance to us as an export market would have extremely negative consequences for the UK.

  • Jobabob said:

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    I'm no royalist but why the hell should we ask the Queen to work until she is 95+? Incidentally, one of my more minor objections to the monarchy (among several major ones) is that it's not much good for those in the monarchy. A life like that in the public eye with few freedoms, forced upon you, is inhumane.
    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nicholaswatt: Tory MPs told by whips @HouseofCommons may sit til 1am to make way for emergency debate triggered by @Ed_Miliband on @realDonaldTrump order

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcudr6cTjm1rjq40do1_500.jpg

    Ed Miliband's phoenix act is one of the more baffling and unexpected developments of the already very weird past week.
    Some of us were prepared for it.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Quebec news:

    "Suspects identified as Mohamed El Khadir and Alexandre Bissonnette"

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-city-mosque-shooting/article33822092/
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290

    Cookie said:

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
    I think he's 68, no?
    Mea culpa. He is indeed 68, so seventeen years, allowing for a bit of rounding. Gives him something like 13 years as King.
    Possibly!
    Yes, I make it 13 years too. Not much time in the context of kings but long enough in the context of a career and enough time to make a contribution.
  • Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nicholaswatt: Tory MPs told by whips @HouseofCommons may sit til 1am to make way for emergency debate triggered by @Ed_Miliband on @realDonaldTrump order

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcudr6cTjm1rjq40do1_500.jpg

    Ed Miliband's phoenix act is one of the more baffling and unexpected developments of the already very weird past week.
    "The best PM we never had!" - Abby Tomlinson, 2015.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,412

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Hopefully, Merkel and Macron will be in power in Germany and France respectively this time next year. Trump could well help both of them.

    We really don't want Schulz to win. He's a passionate eurofederalist who hates the idea of Brexit. He will want to make it hurt.
    Merkel and Fillion would be the best of a bad bunch.

    But Fillion may have holed himself beneath the waterline now.
    Merkel and !e Pen would be best for Britain. On a purely selfish basis.

    Macron is hard to call.
    In what way would Le Pen be best for Britain?

    I don't necessarily agree with Sean - I can see how Fillon might be best for Britain as a bridge between the UK and the EU - but I can also see an argument that were Le Pen to win, it would create absolute chaos within the EU and present it with its biggest existential crisis ever as they grappled with the question "is the project over"?

    Of the two - Brexit and a Le Pen win - she poses the greater danger, partly because France has always been a much more integral part of the EU than the UK and partly because France is a continuing part of the EU. As such, EU energies will be devoted to resolving that problem (which, ironically, would result from many of the things that Cameron flagged up back in his Bloomberg speech and which were singularly not addressed in his negotiations and which, had they been, would probably not have led to Brexit). There'd be no united EU front and negotiations would be more likely to go favourably for the UK.
    Wouldn't the absence of a united EU front make negotiations pretty difficult?
    We need Europe to agree internally on a deal - if they're in total chaos surely that makes it harder - and more likely that not only will we leave without any kind of a deal... But in a disorderly fashion.
  • AndyJS said:

    Quebec news:

    "Suspects identified as Mohamed El Khadir and Alexandre Bissonnette"

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-city-mosque-shooting/article33822092/

    There seems to be an echo in here...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734
    John_M said:

    OT: Apropos of absolutely nothing. Sometimes the invective in here gets a tad heated. After watching "A Man for All Seasons", I came across this excerpt written by St Thomas More to Martin Luther:

    "throw back into your paternity's shitty mouth, truly the shit-pool of all shit, all the muck and shit which your damnable rottenness has vomited up"

    Something tells me that More would have fitted in very well on here ;).

    Protestants gave as good as they got. I saw a print entitled "How Monks Are Born", showing the Devil sitting atop a gallows, and excreting a pile of monks on to the ground below. The Devil remarks that these creatures are far worse than even himself and the worst of his demons.
  • Update on the Canadian Mosque shooting...

    Two students have been arrested in Quebec for a deadly shooting at a mosque which killed six people. Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir were named by local media as the suspects, Mohamed is of 'Moroccan origin'. Witnesses told how they heard shouts of 'Allahu akbar' in Quebecois accents from the masked shooters

    This according to CBC News.

    Dreadful loss of life - but could it have been Sunni v. Shia?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
    I tbink that we have to allow for both monarch and heir to be very longlived. There are no known health issues with either, and while Charles loses a bit for being male, on the other hand BOTH of his parents are very longlived. He has extraordinary good genes for this!

    I would have thought it kinder for all concerned for the Queen to abdicate, but I understand the reasons why she is shy of this. Declaring Charles as Prince Regent may be more fitting, and has precedent.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited January 2017

    Mr. Jobabob, I'm sure Alexius III wished Enrico Dandolo had retired on his 90th birthday.

    Well, there's a negotiating tactic we could try out on Erdogan.

    "Be nice to us or we'll unleash our nonagenarian head of state on Constantinople. Remember what happened last time?"
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited January 2017
    Andrew Neil
    President Trump signs an executive order Monday morning requiring that for every new federal regulation implemented, two must be rescinded.

    CSPAN video
    President Trump signs an executive order cutting government regulations on small and large businesses. https://t.co/t4Eec9rJah
  • Update on the Canadian Mosque shooting...

    Two students have been arrested in Quebec for a deadly shooting at a mosque which killed six people. Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir were named by local media as the suspects, Mohamed is of 'Moroccan origin'. Witnesses told how they heard shouts of 'Allahu akbar' in Quebecois accents from the masked shooters

    This according to CBC News.

    Dreadful loss of life - but could it have been Sunni v. Shia?
    I think it is not good idea to speculate at this moment.
  • Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    According to the tables provided, Charles probable cut-off is 85. He is currently 78 so that gives him another seven years.
    Depends how much Camilla smokes around him, I suppose.
    I think he's 68, no?
    Mea culpa. He is indeed 68, so seventeen years, allowing for a bit of rounding. Gives him something like 13 years as King.
    Possibly!
    Yes, I make it 13 years too. Not much time in the context of kings but long enough in the context of a career and enough time to make a contribution.
    Charles is Edward VII to Lizzie's Victoria?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062

    Jobabob said:

    King Cole, not so sure. Charles, after all, seems to be in perfectly good health.

    It's not impossible William will be next, but odds must be fairly long.

    As an aside, just five years to the Platinum Jubilee.

    I'm no royalist but why the hell should we ask the Queen to work until she is 95+? Incidentally, one of my more minor objections to the monarchy (among several major ones) is that it's not much good for those in the monarchy. A life like that in the public eye with few freedoms, forced upon you, is inhumane.
    Monarchy is a Lefty, SJW, socialist institution! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry! Well, consider the following:

    1) The hereditary principle: A feature of Lefty dynasties around the world, such as the Nehru-Gandhis in India, the Kennedys in the USA, the Benns in the UK, and the Kims in North Korea!

    2) Jobs for life: A socialist principle if ever there was one! The monarch is in the job for his or her natural life!

    3) Pomp and circumstance: parades and what-not are hallmarks of the old Soviet Red Square military parades, and are still, to this day, a key feature of the Kims' regime in North Korea!

    So, my fellow PBers, SJWs or not, I put it to you that Monarchy smacks of Socialism!!
    More of Sunil's nonsensical logic
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nicholaswatt: Tory MPs told by whips @HouseofCommons may sit til 1am to make way for emergency debate triggered by @Ed_Miliband on @realDonaldTrump order

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcudr6cTjm1rjq40do1_500.jpg

    Ed Miliband's phoenix act is one of the more baffling and unexpected developments of the already very weird past week.
    year.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    James Dolman
    There are now two separate anti-Trump protests in Glasgow tonight as organisers of 6pm one don't like organisers of 5pm one

    #Sigh
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