By the way, https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman is worth a follow today - he's live tweeting a court case of a punter, who took £100 @ 2500/1 on Rangers getting relegated, versus Coral.
I think he'll lose. He should have asked for a bet on Rangers not being in the top flight next season. I'd be interested to know if Corals paid out on Dundee being promoted as the beneficiaries of Rangers' demise.
Yes, I think he'll lose too. But it's been entertaining, especially Coral's then trading director stating: "2500/1 odds would not have been offered if there was a chance of the event happening."
What is the argument that Coral should not pay out?
If I bet 10 p at 2500 on Labour winning North Shropshire (Tory since 1835) and they win in 2020 I'd expect £250.
The argument is that they weren't relegated. They were liquidated and thus expelled from the league, and a new Rangers entered the league in the 3rd division.
It didn't help Coral that their own website (in a news article apparently written by a freelancer) referred to them being relegated... a very entertaining day in court!
Ah okay... I can see Coral hace a point then. Interesting case.
@paulwaugh: Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in Boris Johnson? No10 "Yes".
If insulting the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It's nice to see Remainers taking the French side and confirming everything we've always suspected about them.
You don't have to be particularly pro-French to find it cringeworthy when our buffoon of a Foreign Secretary references a war that ended three-quarters of a century ago to try and score political points. The rest of Europe have moved on from "the war" and "empire", it's about time people like Boris did the same. He comes across like some raddled old actress constantly showing people pictures of herself in her hey-day.
A joke about football? Everyone laughs heartily what a good bloke.
About one of the most catastrophic wars of our times? Utter utter moron.
Remainers on here are employing every negative story they can find, often posting it several times, in a vain attempt to re-visit project fear. It is pointless as no one is listening - we are leaving the EU
I see the lamentations continue apace with much rending of garments and gnashing of teeth, however, cosying up to the French must be a real low point for some
I think the angry responses by EU politicians and media overnight and continuing into today are mainly provoked by May shooting the EU's fox.
I'm really struggling to understand how surrendering the single market before the negotiations have even got started is shooting the EU's fox.
The EU wants the UK in the single market because it exports far more to the UK than the UK exports to the EU.
re Project Fear and HSBC transferring 1000 jobs to France, I know that not all jobs are equal (certainly in the taxation paying sense), but its worth pointing out that in today's employment report, the ONS said "the number of people in work slipped by 9,000 to just over 31.8 million".
Helps put the 1000 jobs in context I think.
not when you add all of the banks doing it though good try
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
I only tend to see the repeats on the Yesterday Channel (Freeview 19/SKY 537)
You can't expect Boris's analogy to resonate with the French; only combatants get sent to POW camps...
It's 70 years or so from WW2, most people have moved on.
Why do the left have no sense of humour. I listened to Boris live and it was said in a good hearted way.
I would say that the storm of protest is coming from the same elite who lost Brexit and caused the election of Trump
Sorry, it's embarrassing, full stop. Coming from our Foreign Secretary in times like these it's despicable. The war's over - it ended 75 years ago, move on. It's not clever, it's not funny but the Daily Mil will love it. God help us if he gets anywhere near the negotiations.
Sorry to disagree with the consensus but I think @Casino_Royale is very wide of the mark. Brexit is all about controlling immigration. Guff about sovereignty is just that: guff.
The rest of the EU has seen this very clearly and it explains in large part the distaste with which they now regard Britain. So yes, they see Britain as ungrateful and nasty. Basically, they're right.
I agree. I have never erred from my belief that it was all about immigration, and no amount of trying to justify the result afterwards will change that.
Long text message/email explanations always make me think people are trying to spin something, and same goes for posts/blogs
Incorrect, as is usually the case with such simplistic explanations. There were, of course, a whole raft of reasons behind the Leave vote succeeding in accumulating a majority - although I suspect that sovereignty and concerns about persistent high immigration levels were the two most important.
It was the sovereignty issue that got the ball rolling in the first place, and immigration helped to get Leave across the finishing line: it seems implausible that Leave could've won that referendum off the back of either one of those causes, without help from the other.
@BigGNorthWales BigG....I wholeheartedly apologise for using an extremely vulgar metaphor last night to critique your praise of TM, and upsetting your wife. I'd walked 48,000 steps yesterday and for some reason thought that the juvenile metaphor was funny....
I was listening to the tennis coverage today on the radio, and randomly got struck by a pang of conscience...
@paulwaugh: Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in Boris Johnson? No10 "Yes".
If insulting the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It's nice to see Remainers taking the French side and confirming everything we've always suspected about them.
You don't have to be particularly pro-French to find it cringeworthy when our buffoon of a Foreign Secretary references a war that ended three-quarters of a century ago to try and score political points. The rest of Europe have moved on from "the war" and "empire", it's about time people like Boris did the same. He comes across like some raddled old actress constantly showing people pictures of herself in her hey-day.
A joke about football? Everyone laughs heartily what a good bloke.
About one of the most catastrophic wars of our times? Utter utter moron.
Not a fan of Dad's Army, Allo Allo?
twitter.com/MrKenShabby/status/806111270374178820
Putting our own Sunil to shame!
Good moaning! I brung you a massage: I was bruising the PB throds and have niticed that the REMOONERS are still bunging on about Brixit being an otter disooster!
Jeremy Cliffe's translation swaps England for Britain. Funny that...
That's probably a correct translation. In France, and indeed in most countries, English and British are regarded as largely interchangeable, except where the context requires otherwise. In fact, that was the case in Britain itself until quite recently: Nelson's signal was, after all, "England expects that every man will do his duty".
Navabi time, 211 years ago quite recent.
I generally consider anything post 1200 AD as modern
Fen poly giving people the wrong idea again. At Cowley Tech 'Modern history' begins with the fall of the Roman Empire...
@paulwaugh: Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in Boris Johnson? No10 "Yes".
If insulting the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It's nice to see Remainers taking the French side and confirming everything we've always suspected about them.
You don't have to be particularly pro-French to find it cringeworthy when our buffoon of a Foreign Secretary references a war that ended three-quarters of a century ago to try and score political points. The rest of Europe have moved on from "the war" and "empire", it's about time people like Boris did the same. He comes across like some raddled old actress constantly showing people pictures of herself in her hey-day.
A joke about football? Everyone laughs heartily what a good bloke.
About one of the most catastrophic wars of our times? Utter utter moron.
Not a fan of Dad's Army, Allo Allo?
twitter.com/MrKenShabby/status/806111270374178820
Putting our own Sunil to shame!
Good moaning! I brung you a massage: I was bruising the PB throds and have niticed that the REMOONERS are still bunging on about Brixit being an otter disooster!
I know you doing your Allo Allo brit/french but for a minute I thought it was one of my post ;-)
re Project Fear and HSBC transferring 1000 jobs to France, I know that not all jobs are equal (certainly in the taxation paying sense), but its worth pointing out that in today's employment report, the ONS said "the number of people in work slipped by 9,000 to just over 31.8 million".
Helps put the 1000 jobs in context I think.
It's buttons.
Tech companies have been bringing thousands in over the last few months.
The less dependent the UK is on banking the better.
Le Monde editorial says that May's speech yesterday was a complete capitulation to a united EU27 and that she is just using nationalist rhetoric to disguise her failure.
To be honest I don't think they are far wrong. She is trying to pretend exiting the single market is her cunning plan whereas we all know that in reality we were never going to get a deal to stay in given our obsession with immigration. She's going to get sweet FA and pretend she was so macho by walking away first.
There is a deal to be done. The politicians have to distance themselves from the nationalistic posturing in the newspapers across Europe. Some, like Boris, clearly can't, and should not be allowed anywhere near negotiations. It is in nobody's interests to play silly buggers, least of all ours. Germany exports to us, but it also invests in us. Some German companies have big operations here that employ a lot of people.
She appears so wedded to keeping the UKIP faction happy that there will not be any agreement worth the name. I am resigned to that but she may be bluffing and would be pleased to be proved wrong.
@paulwaugh: Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in Boris Johnson? No10 "Yes".
If insulting the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It's nice to see Remainers taking the French side and confirming everything we've always suspected about them.
You don't have to be particularly pro-French to find it cringeworthy when our buffoon of a Foreign Secretary references a war that ended three-quarters of a century ago to try and score political points. The rest of Europe have moved on from "the war" and "empire", it's about time people like Boris did the same. He comes across like some raddled old actress constantly showing people pictures of herself in her hey-day.
Thinking that "that happened over 75 years ago" closes a discussion down is a pitiful indicator of intellectual impoverishment. Where you went to school, what did they teach in lieu of history?
What discussion was Boris having? He was throwing out a gratuitous insult. Obviously, Boris is Boris and it was hilarious, etc etc, but if you want the UK to be taken seriously in the world then it's best not to have a Foreign Secretary who throws cheap jibes around in order to get a smirk from his right wing at home. Sometimes the grown-ups do have to take charge. Just goes to show, once again, that journalists should not be expected to do proper jobs.
re Project Fear and HSBC transferring 1000 jobs to France, I know that not all jobs are equal (certainly in the taxation paying sense), but its worth pointing out that in today's employment report, the ONS said "the number of people in work slipped by 9,000 to just over 31.8 million".
Helps put the 1000 jobs in context I think.
not when you add all of the banks doing it though good try
You do know you voted for Brexit aswell don't you.......
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
@BigGNorthWales BigG....I wholeheartedly apologise for using an extremely vulgar metaphor last night to critique your praise of TM, and upsetting your wife. I'd walked 48,000 steps yesterday and for some reason thought that the juvenile metaphor was funny....
I was listening to the tennis coverage today on the radio, and randomly got struck by a pang of conscience...
That's really nice of you Tyson. It shows you in a very good light.
Noticed your comments about your connections with Italy and your problem with your wife coming to the UK and I hope it works out for you both
Our family adore Italy ever since I drove them there 40 years ago and we had a fab summer holiday in Cortona last summer with our family and four grandchildren.
I see the lamentations continue apace with much rending of garments and gnashing of teeth, however, cosying up to the French must be a real low point for some
I think the angry responses by EU politicians and media overnight and continuing into today are mainly provoked by May shooting the EU's fox.
Yes they were looking forward to applying thumbscrews to get lovely financial concessions for us staying in the single market and some dreaful Brexit - lite.
Now there is a BIG hole in their budget - and it's going to hurt.
I think that was their "cunning plan" grind us down over two years for shreds of the single market then announce a huge bill near the deadline....
I wonder if the German military, looking forward to taking some actual responsibility in the defence of the EU, is at all concerned about the performance of the Leopard tanks supplied to Turkey.
I am not sure that Nuttall is a certainty to be selected to stand in Stoke Central . Their 2015 candidate and local chairman of the party , Mick Harold has already declared an interest in standing as has 2015 Stoke South candidate Tariq Mahmood .
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
@paulwaugh: Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in Boris Johnson? No10 "Yes".
If insulting the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It's nice to see Remainers taking the French side and confirming everything we've always suspected about them.
You don't have to be particularly pro-French to find it cringeworthy when our buffoon of a Foreign Secretary references a war that ended three-quarters of a century ago to try and score political points. The rest of Europe have moved on from "the war" and "empire", it's about time people like Boris did the same. He comes across like some raddled old actress constantly showing people pictures of herself in her hey-day.
Are we no longer allowed to use historical analogies to make a point, however ham fisted? And anyway, he was actually referring to WW2 movies, which are more contemporary!
To be honest I don't think they are far wrong. She is trying to pretend exiting the single market is her cunning plan whereas we all know that in reality we were never going to get a deal to stay in given our obsession with immigration. She's going to get sweet FA and pretend she was so macho by walking away first.
No, she's not pretending anything. She's simply implementing the result of the referendum. That means we're leaving the Single Market, of our own volition.
Le Monde doesn't seem to be able to get its head around this concept:
Une fois l’article 50 activé, en mars, son pays pourra être bouté hors de l’UE dans un délai de deux ans.
i.e "Once Article 50 has been triggered in March, [the UK] could be booted out of the EU within two years".
Well, quite. That's kinda the idea.
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
By the way, https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman is worth a follow today - he's live tweeting a court case of a punter, who took £100 @ 2500/1 on Rangers getting relegated, versus Coral.
That's a fascinating case, thanks for the link. Good luck to the guy.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
La La Land the new dream view of the UK by Brexiteers
re Project Fear and HSBC transferring 1000 jobs to France, I know that not all jobs are equal (certainly in the taxation paying sense), but its worth pointing out that in today's employment report, the ONS said "the number of people in work slipped by 9,000 to just over 31.8 million".
Helps put the 1000 jobs in context I think.
not when you add all of the banks doing it though good try
You do know you voted for Brexit aswell don't you.......
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
It's the only interpretation which makes any sense at all. The only other possibility would be an EEA-style deal, which combines most of the disadvantages of remaining in the EU without giving us the main advantage of leaving - and which in any case was unambiguously ruled out by all the various Leave campaigns by their use of immigration as one of their principal arguments. That, indeed, was the only clear thing that came out of the campaigning.
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
The original Are You Being Served was also pretty crap, to be fair.
The EU wants the UK in the single market because it exports far more to the UK than the UK exports to the EU.
...but the EU exports far more to countries outside the single market than it does to the UK. Being outside hurts us, not them.
Germanyt is currently in danger of pissing off 16% of it;s exports
lest see how that works out
The British are voracious consumers. Personal debt levels are astronomical. We'll carry on buying German products, but we'll just pay more for them. And, of course, there is also this:
@paulwaugh: Does the Prime Minister have full confidence in Boris Johnson? No10 "Yes".
If insulting the French is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It's nice to see Remainers taking the French side and confirming everything we've always suspected about them.
You don't have to be particularly pro-French to find it cringeworthy when our buffoon of a Foreign Secretary references a war that ended three-quarters of a century ago to try and score political points. The rest of Europe have moved on from "the war" and "empire", it's about time people like Boris did the same. He comes across like some raddled old actress constantly showing people pictures of herself in her hey-day.
Thinking that "that happened over 75 years ago" closes a discussion down is a pitiful indicator of intellectual impoverishment. Where you went to school, what did they teach in lieu of history?
I fully understand the history of WW2 thanks to my excellent Grammar School and universities in the UK and Canada, nice of you to be concerned.
What is absolutely stupid and counterproductive is the UK having a buffoon of a Foreign Secretary winding up the people that some are expecting us to negotiate a good Bexit with with snide little quips about a war that caused untold misery. If you can't comprehend that then you might want to examine your own "intellectual impoverishment".
The EU wants the UK in the single market because it exports far more to the UK than the UK exports to the EU.
...but the EU exports far more to countries outside the single market than it does to the UK. Being outside hurts us, not them.
Germanyt is currently in danger of pissing off 16% of it;s exports
lest see how that works out
The British are voracious consumers. Personal debt levels are astronomical. We'll carry on buying German products, but we'll just pay more for them. And, of course, there is also this:
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
It's the only interpretation which makes any sense at all. The only other possibility would be an EEA-style deal, which combines most of the disadvantages of remaining in the EU without giving us the main advantage of leaving - and which in any case was unambiguously ruled out by all the various Leave campaigns by their use of immigration as one of their principal arguments. That, indeed, was the only clear thing that came out of the campaigning.
Dan Hannan and many others kept on saying that we will be in the single market after Brexit during the campaign.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
Brexit won't kill Labour, sadly. As its vote share declines, the remaining supporters become progressively harder for the other parties to peel away - either because they actually like socialism (the Corbynite regressive variety or otherwise,) or because they are brand loyalty voters.
If Labour performs truly abysmally at the next General Election then it could fall below 25%, but even if it does I doubt it'll be by much - unless, of course, it splits, in which case all bets are off. But I also view that as unlikely, even though it would probably benefit the long-term survival chances of the non-Far Left faction.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
The expectation is 7-4
Yeah, I was wondering if there would be a dissenting opinion.
Dan Hannan and many others kept on saying that we will be in the single market after Brexit during the campaign.
Yes, it's rather sad. I used to admire him, even if I didn't agree with him, but he came out very badly from the campaign and the aftermath.
Yes, the reputational damage Hannan has suffered is huge, though I won't be comparing him to any fallen rock stars, as I did yesterday, in case I get moderated again.
Blimey. The BBC have just acknowledged that people who earn a lot of money pay a lot of tax. If you'd told me on 6 May 2015 that such a thing would happen I'd have laughed.
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
It's the only interpretation which makes any sense at all. The only other possibility would be an EEA-style deal, which combines most of the disadvantages of remaining in the EU without giving us the main advantage of leaving - and which in any case was unambiguously ruled out by all the various Leave campaigns by their use of immigration as one of their principal arguments. That, indeed, was the only clear thing that came out of the campaigning.
If it was the "only" interpretation why has the nation been hanging on a threat waiting to find out what she would do?
There is no doubt that immigration was a key driver in the referendum but was it ending immigration at the expense of economic well being? The polling is far less equivocal on that. There are also a good number of EFTA/EEA leavers.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
The expectation is 7-4
Each judge is able to have their own comments particularly if they disagree or have different views on elements of the decision as a whole.
The EU wants the UK in the single market because it exports far more to the UK than the UK exports to the EU.
....
...?
Why do you persist in repeating this drivel ? The EU exports to the UK is 3% of it's GDP. For the UK, our exports to the EU is 10% of our GDP. Geddit ?
The EU's figure is larger because those exports are shared amongst 27 countries - not one like us.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
The expectation is 7-4
Each judge is able to have their own comments particularly if they disagree or have different views on elements of the decision as a whole.
If only one will speak, does it hint at a unanimous decision ? I doubt that.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
I should assume they'll try to maintain the fiction that this is a passionless question of fact and so no dissent is possible.
"In early August 2016, the BBC announced that plans to remake the series had been scrapped due to the possibility of viewers complaining about Gestapo officer Herr Flick, despite regularly showing the original episodes on its channels.[17]"
Probably for the best.. remakes tend to suck.
The recent "Are You Being Served" was atrocious- despite a good cast.
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
My wife and I thought La La Land quite dull.
We each gave the film between 5 and 6 out of 10.
I liked it a lot - Randy Kerber is a terrific pianist, and the cinematography was enchanting. The script was OK.
Whether the Leave vote was or wasn't about immigration is moot, but also essentially irrelevant.
The fact is the UK - and in particular England, one of the most densely populated countries on earth - clearly cannot sustain net migration of 330,000 a year, in perpetuity, which is what we're getting at the moment, thanks in great part to Free Movement from the EU.
The EU refused to budge on Free Movement, so we had to Leave, and take control of the numbers coming in. The Remainers never had an answer to this question, and still don't, so we're Out.
C'est tout.
It's the rapidly ageing population that's unsustainable.
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
It's the only interpretation which makes any sense at all. The only other possibility would be an EEA-style deal, which combines most of the disadvantages of remaining in the EU without giving us the main advantage of leaving - and which in any case was unambiguously ruled out by all the various Leave campaigns by their use of immigration as one of their principal arguments. That, indeed, was the only clear thing that came out of the campaigning.
Dan Hannan and many others kept on saying that we will be in the single market after Brexit during the campaign.
That's now gone the same way as the £350m a week. With hindsight they were clearly just ruses to win the referendum.
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
It's the only interpretation which makes any sense at all. The only other possibility would be an EEA-style deal, which combines most of the disadvantages of remaining in the EU without giving us the main advantage of leaving - and which in any case was unambiguously ruled out by all the various Leave campaigns by their use of immigration as one of their principal arguments. That, indeed, was the only clear thing that came out of the campaigning.
Dan Hannan and many others kept on saying that we will be in the single market after Brexit during the campaign.
That's now gone the same way as the £350m a week. With hindsight they were clearly just ruses to win the referendum.
Whether the Leave vote was or wasn't about immigration is moot, but also essentially irrelevant.
The fact is the UK - and in particular England, one of the most densely populated countries on earth - clearly cannot sustain net migration of 330,000 a year, in perpetuity, which is what we're getting at the moment, thanks in great part to Free Movement from the EU.
The EU refused to budge on Free Movement, so we had to Leave, and take control of the numbers coming in. The Remainers never had an answer to this question, and still don't, so we're Out.
C'est tout.
It's the rapidly ageing population that's unsustainable.
She's implementing her interpretation of the referendum result, not quite the same thing.
It's the only interpretation which makes any sense at all. The only other possibility would be an EEA-style deal, which combines most of the disadvantages of remaining in the EU without giving us the main advantage of leaving - and which in any case was unambiguously ruled out by all the various Leave campaigns by their use of immigration as one of their principal arguments. That, indeed, was the only clear thing that came out of the campaigning.
Dan Hannan and many others kept on saying that we will be in the single market after Brexit during the campaign.
Are we going to have to get out that Sunday Politics montage again?
Whether the Leave vote was or wasn't about immigration is moot, but also essentially irrelevant.
The fact is the UK - and in particular England, one of the most densely populated countries on earth - clearly cannot sustain net migration of 330,000 a year, in perpetuity, which is what we're getting at the moment, thanks in great part to Free Movement from the EU.
The EU refused to budge on Free Movement, so we had to Leave, and take control of the numbers coming in. The Remainers never had an answer to this question, and still don't, so we're Out.
C'est tout.
Quietly ignoring the fact that 160k of that figure each year was controllable as it had nothing to do with the EU.
The hapless and incompetent Home Secretary at the time was......wait a minute, Theresa May.
Whether the Leave vote was or wasn't about immigration is moot, but also essentially irrelevant.
The fact is the UK - and in particular England, one of the most densely populated countries on earth - clearly cannot sustain net migration of 330,000 a year, in perpetuity, which is what we're getting at the moment, thanks in great part to Free Movement from the EU.
The EU refused to budge on Free Movement, so we had to Leave, and take control of the numbers coming in. The Remainers never had an answer to this question, and still don't, so we're Out.
C'est tout.
It's the rapidly ageing population that's unsustainable.
nonsense
societies adapt
Yes, by encouraging migration of younger people from elsewhere. Unfortunately we've just decided to switch that off.
@JoshuaRozenberg: I understand that all 11 justices will sit in the @UKSupremeCourt for the Brexit judgment next Tuesday but only Lord Neuberger will speak.
Do you know if there will be a dissenting opinion, like the US Supreme Court?
The expectation is 7-4
Each judge is able to have their own comments particularly if they disagree or have different views on elements of the decision as a whole.
If only one will speak, does it hint at a unanimous decision ? I doubt that.
No, I don't think so. As far as I know the usual practice with reserved judgments is to circulate a copy under embargo beforehand, rather than read it out in open court. Any discussion is likely to be about ancillary issues such as costs. Mind you I've never been in the UKSC, but that's how the lower courts operate.
If it was the "only" interpretation why has the nation been hanging on a threat waiting to find out what she would do?
I've no idea. Not only is her interpretation the only one which makes sense, but she has been completely clear right about it from the start. She said almost nothing new yesterday (apart from some comments on the customs union).
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You won't be saying that if Airbus ups sticks
It was the sovereignty issue that got the ball rolling in the first place, and immigration helped to get Leave across the finishing line: it seems implausible that Leave could've won that referendum off the back of either one of those causes, without help from the other.
Nothing to say it won't go in the opposite direction once Hollande goes later this year.
BigG....I wholeheartedly apologise for using an extremely vulgar metaphor last night to critique your praise of TM, and upsetting your wife. I'd walked 48,000 steps yesterday and for some reason thought that the juvenile metaphor was funny....
I was listening to the tennis coverage today on the radio, and randomly got struck by a pang of conscience...
No chance of that upsetting anybody!
https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/821761948236836865
A plant on Question Time changes colours, faked news or fake Tory?
Tech companies have been bringing thousands in over the last few months.
The less dependent the UK is on banking the better.
http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/01/japanese-toilet-washlet-symbols/
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/821770347758419968
On a different subject La La Land is great - good old fashioned musical to charm away Brexit blues!
We each gave the film between 5 and 6 out of 10.
Noticed your comments about your connections with Italy and your problem with your wife coming to the UK and I hope it works out for you both
Our family adore Italy ever since I drove them there 40 years ago and we had a fab summer holiday in Cortona last summer with our family and four grandchildren.
All the best
EDIT: Some people are inferring no dissent based on this tweet. There could well be dissenting opinions in the judgement
lest see how that works out
https://twitter.com/lindayueh/status/821778890150580225
https://www.ft.com/content/a7854998-44e7-11e6-9b66-0712b3873ae1
I fully understand the history of WW2 thanks to my excellent Grammar School and universities in the UK and Canada, nice of you to be concerned.
What is absolutely stupid and counterproductive is the UK having a buffoon of a Foreign Secretary winding up the people that some are expecting us to negotiate a good Bexit with with snide little quips about a war that caused untold misery. If you can't comprehend that then you might want to examine your own "intellectual impoverishment".
how does that impact ?
cant see the Donald holding that line long
Trump hasn't a hope of getting that past Congress, it's his usual vacuous bluster like the Mexican wall.
If you want to join a conversation midway through it's customary to read upthread so you might have a vague clue what we are discussing...
If Labour performs truly abysmally at the next General Election then it could fall below 25%, but even if it does I doubt it'll be by much - unless, of course, it splits, in which case all bets are off. But I also view that as unlikely, even though it would probably benefit the long-term survival chances of the non-Far Left faction.
youre in the thread and havent a clue what youre discussing
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm
Hammond claimed last week that he was from Birmingham. You should write to Amazon and correct him...
but nice to see youre a boy racer
There is no doubt that immigration was a key driver in the referendum but was it ending immigration at the expense of economic well being? The polling is far less equivocal on that. There are also a good number of EFTA/EEA leavers.
The EU's figure is larger because those exports are shared amongst 27 countries - not one like us.
The UK is important, but not that important.
The script was OK.
That's now gone the same way as the £350m a week. With hindsight they were clearly just ruses to win the referendum.
so did remain
whats your point ?
https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/821784276542910466
societies adapt
Are we going to have to get out that Sunday Politics montage again?
The hapless and incompetent Home Secretary at the time was......wait a minute, Theresa May.
all bluster
nothing will happen till post 24 September, then the negotiations start in earnest