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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920
    Pulpstar said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Why?
    I don't generally buy Kellogs but don't want to boycott it. What should I do :o ?
    Boycott competitors and skip breakfast... Added bonus of sticking it to the capitalist system man!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Jonathan said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    So much for the alt right advocating freedom.
    Theyre perfectly at liberty to boycott a product... It's just kinda funny they are doing it for such a feeble reason.
    Of course they're free to not purchase a product, the reason for doing so is the only amusement.
    Fresh from polishing their jackboots and preparing to meet their manifest destiny, they pause only to screech in despair at a snub at the breakfast table.

    Sugar Puffs.
    In fairness I never enjoy getting a serving of bigotry at the breakfast table. what's wrong with toast? Soft, white toast turning a crispy brown...wait a minute! God damn multiculturalists breakfast wanting to darken everyone up.
    Milk should only ever be white at the breakfast table though.
    Spashing the white all over my brown weetos, drowning them in its whiteness? Wow, I hope you are pleased with that terrible implication which must apply to politics and race, as all cereals must now, in solidarity with the fight against Kellogg's.

    :)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054

    Kellogs clearly aren't the only ones making Fruit Loops:

    Breitbart news is the largest platform for pro-family content anywhere on the Internet. We advocate for traditional American values, perhaps most important among them is freedom of speech. For Kellogg’s, an iconic American brand, to blacklist Breitbart News in order to placate left-wing totalitarians is a disgraceful act of cowardice. They insult our incredibly diverse staff and spit in the face of our 45,000,000 highly engaged, highly perceptive, highly loyal readers, many of whom are Kellogg’s customers. Boycotting mainstream American ideas is an act of discrimination and intense prejudice. If you serve Kellogg’s products to your family, you are serving up bigotry at your breakfast table.

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/

    'Totalitarians'? WTF? No platformers and those who seek to stop those who views they dislike even from being heard annoy me, but come on!
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    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Jonathan said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    So much for the alt right advocating freedom.
    Theyre perfectly at liberty to boycott a product... It's just kinda funny they are doing it for such a feeble reason.
    Of course they're free to not purchase a product, the reason for doing so is the only amusement.
    Fresh from polishing their jackboots and preparing to meet their manifest destiny, they pause only to screech in despair at a snub at the breakfast table.

    Sugar Puffs.
    In fairness I never enjoy getting a serving of bigotry at the breakfast table. what's wrong with toast? Soft, white toast turning a crispy brown...wait a minute! God damn multiculturalists breakfast wanting to darken everyone up.
    Milk should only ever be white at the breakfast table though.
    I wonder what Breitbart's view on Chocolate Milk (brown) or Strawberry milk (pink) is?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920

    Kellogs clearly aren't the only ones making Fruit Loops:

    Breitbart news is the largest platform for pro-family content anywhere on the Internet. We advocate for traditional American values, perhaps most important among them is freedom of speech. For Kellogg’s, an iconic American brand, to blacklist Breitbart News in order to placate left-wing totalitarians is a disgraceful act of cowardice. They insult our incredibly diverse staff and spit in the face of our 45,000,000 highly engaged, highly perceptive, highly loyal readers, many of whom are Kellogg’s customers. Boycotting mainstream American ideas is an act of discrimination and intense prejudice. If you serve Kellogg’s products to your family, you are serving up bigotry at your breakfast table.

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/

    Do you think Trump will lend his support to the campaign?
    They are an American company... But I wouldn't put it past him to tweet something....
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited December 2016

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    full snowflake mode
    Special cornflakes.

    Wanting a safe space where private corporations give them money.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    I find it bizarre that this fake news stuff is being reported as something new. When LBJ was running at State level he positively encouraged rumours that his opponent had sex with some of his farm animals. There was absolutely nothing to the story but LBJ's comment was, "I know, I just want to hear the son of a bitch deny it."

    I suppose the difference is that nonsense now finds a much wider audience on the internet than it would ever have done in the 1950s but it is the media available that is new, not the idea.

    Really enjoyed that Boston Globe story on Trump by the way. You'd like to think that after the 47% and the deplorables that candidates for POTUS would get that there is a difference between energising your base and talking down to a significant number of Americans. Same applies here of course.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    Reminds me of a COlbert bit on a story about Cap'n Crunch really owing being a Commander.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited December 2016
    To be fair, considering how obese alt.right Americans are and that the end of Obamacare means that their diabetes care ends, boycotting sugary cereals probably a smart move.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    DavidL said:

    I find it bizarre that this fake news stuff is being reported as something new. When LBJ was running at State level he positively encouraged rumours that his opponent had sex with some of his farm animals. There was absolutely nothing to the story but LBJ's comment was, "I know, I just want to hear the son of a bitch deny it."

    I suppose the difference is that nonsense now finds a much wider audience on the internet than it would ever have done in the 1950s but it is the media available that is new, not the idea.

    Really enjoyed that Boston Globe story on Trump by the way. You'd like to think that after the 47% and the deplorables that candidates for POTUS would get that there is a difference between energising your base and talking down to a significant number of Americans. Same applies here of course.

    People tend to forget how nasty old politics could be too.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Why?
    I don't generally buy Kellogs but don't want to boycott it. What should I do :o ?
    Boycott competitors and skip breakfast... Added bonus of sticking it to the capitalist system man!
    Actually I switch between little Englander Jordans and swiss Nestle...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    edited December 2016
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Jonathan said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    So much for the alt right advocating freedom.
    Theyre perfectly at liberty to boycott a product... It's just kinda funny they are doing it for such a feeble reason.
    Of course they're free to not purchase a product, the reason for doing so is the only amusement.
    Fresh from polishing their jackboots and preparing to meet their manifest destiny, they pause only to screech in despair at a snub at the breakfast table.

    Sugar Puffs.
    In fairness I never enjoy getting a serving of bigotry at the breakfast table. what's wrong with toast? Soft, white toast turning a crispy brown...wait a minute! God damn multiculturalists breakfast wanting to darken everyone up.
    Milk should only ever be white at the breakfast table though.
    Spashing the white all over my brown weetos, drowning them in its whiteness? Wow, I hope you are pleased with that terrible implication which must apply to politics and race, as all cereals must now, in solidarity with the fight against Kellogg's.

    :)
    The scales have fallen from my eyes!

    I see the truth now!

    When as a child I poured white milk on my Coco Pops it turned brown

    Clearly all part of the left wing totalitarian conspiracy to devalue whiteness!

    Now why don't Kellogg make a cereal that turns chocolate milk white???

    Answer me that!
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited December 2016

    Kellogs clearly aren't the only ones making Fruit Loops:

    Breitbart news is the largest platform for pro-family content anywhere on the Internet. We advocate for traditional American values, perhaps most important among them is freedom of speech. For Kellogg’s, an iconic American brand, to blacklist Breitbart News in order to placate left-wing totalitarians is a disgraceful act of cowardice. They insult our incredibly diverse staff and spit in the face of our 45,000,000 highly engaged, highly perceptive, highly loyal readers, many of whom are Kellogg’s customers. Boycotting mainstream American ideas is an act of discrimination and intense prejudice. If you serve Kellogg’s products to your family, you are serving up bigotry at your breakfast table.

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/

    Oh, this must surely be a clever spoof. It is DailyMash/Onion level parody of what a reactionary right winger thinks a victimhood seeking left winger is like it can only be a joke.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    I find it bizarre that this fake news stuff is being reported as something new. When LBJ was running at State level he positively encouraged rumours that his opponent had sex with some of his farm animals. There was absolutely nothing to the story but LBJ's comment was, "I know, I just want to hear the son of a bitch deny it."

    I suppose the difference is that nonsense now finds a much wider audience on the internet than it would ever have done in the 1950s but it is the media available that is new, not the idea.

    Really enjoyed that Boston Globe story on Trump by the way. You'd like to think that after the 47% and the deplorables that candidates for POTUS would get that there is a difference between energising your base and talking down to a significant number of Americans. Same applies here of course.

    People tend to forget how nasty old politics could be too.
    Exactly. Rather than being a source of good historical knowledge and additional facts the internet seems to give too many of us the concentration and memory of a goldfish astonished by this new wheel thing that people have just invented (just as well I will never run for office).
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    Alistair said:

    Kellogs clearly aren't the only ones making Fruit Loops:

    Breitbart news is the largest platform for pro-family content anywhere on the Internet. We advocate for traditional American values, perhaps most important among them is freedom of speech. For Kellogg’s, an iconic American brand, to blacklist Breitbart News in order to placate left-wing totalitarians is a disgraceful act of cowardice. They insult our incredibly diverse staff and spit in the face of our 45,000,000 highly engaged, highly perceptive, highly loyal readers, many of whom are Kellogg’s customers. Boycotting mainstream American ideas is an act of discrimination and intense prejudice. If you serve Kellogg’s products to your family, you are serving up bigotry at your breakfast table.

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/

    Oh, this must surely be a clever spoof. It is DailyMash/Onion level parody of what a reactionary right winger thinks a victim good seeking left winger is like it can only be a joke.
    It's a direct quote from the breitbart site - follow the link!
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited December 2016

    Alistair said:

    Kellogs clearly aren't the only ones making Fruit Loops:

    Breitbart news is the largest platform for pro-family content anywhere on the Internet. We advocate for traditional American values, perhaps most important among them is freedom of speech. For Kellogg’s, an iconic American brand, to blacklist Breitbart News in order to placate left-wing totalitarians is a disgraceful act of cowardice. They insult our incredibly diverse staff and spit in the face of our 45,000,000 highly engaged, highly perceptive, highly loyal readers, many of whom are Kellogg’s customers. Boycotting mainstream American ideas is an act of discrimination and intense prejudice. If you serve Kellogg’s products to your family, you are serving up bigotry at your breakfast table.

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/

    Oh, this must surely be a clever spoof. It is DailyMash/Onion level parody of what a reactionary right winger thinks a victim good seeking left winger is like it can only be a joke.
    It's a direct quote from the breitbart site - follow the link!
    Yes, but they must be doing a comedy bit. They can't mean this.
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    rkrkrk said:

    Will Breitbart release their own cereal? Conserva-flakes?

    Just flakes surely?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Jonathan said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    So much for the alt right advocating freedom.
    Theyre perfectly at liberty to boycott a product... It's just kinda funny they are doing it for such a feeble reason.
    Of course they're free to not purchase a product, the reason for doing so is the only amusement.
    Fresh from polishing their jackboots and preparing to meet their manifest destiny, they pause only to screech in despair at a snub at the breakfast table.

    Sugar Puffs.
    In fairness I never enjoy getting a serving of bigotry at the breakfast table. what's wrong with toast? Soft, white toast turning a crispy brown...wait a minute! God damn multiculturalists breakfast wanting to darken everyone up.
    Milk should only ever be white at the breakfast table though.
    Spashing the white all over my brown weetos, drowning them in its whiteness? Wow, I hope you are pleased with that terrible implication which must apply to politics and race, as all cereals must now, in solidarity with the fight against Kellogg's.

    :)
    Milk is " hideously" white.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
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    rkrkrk said:

    Will Breitbart release their own cereal? Conserva-flakes?

    Just flakes surely?
    Not 'Loops'?

    No 'Fruit' obvs.....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Just reading up on the whole USA pizzeria story

    "Users of 4chan and another message board, Reddit, had said words in the emails such as cheese, hot dog, and pizza were code for young children and sex acts."

    Since when was 4chan ever taken seriously :p ?
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    Good morning, everyone.

    My next book is the Journeys fantasy anthology, due out around mid-January. It also has possibly the most politically incorrect line I've ever written (I was rather pleased with it).

    So, if you've read Kingdom Asunder and want a bit more fantasy stuff, it'll be well worth a look. [I'm toying with the idea of releasing a Sir Edric novel next year. Unsure if the timetable stacks up].

    Also, buy Kingdom Asunder.

    Also also, and unrelated, the Ladbrokes team mate market is down. I can only assume the 10pm time was for it to automatically come down just in case news broke overnight. Got to say it was damned sporting of Rosberg to pull a shock retirement so we had something to discuss in the dreary months ahead of testing.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    kle4 said:

    Reminds me of a COlbert bit on a story about Cap'n Crunch really owing being a Commander.

    I first knew of Cap'n Crunch though computer history. It's possible to link the cereal to early hacking (phone phreaking), and the formation of Apple Computers. And all because of an innocent little toy whistle they gave away in their boxes.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,474
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
    Doesn't this make it more likely there will be sanctions against the Tories, whose local/national spending issues were far more significant?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    If you don't want your neighbours to know you are eating Kellogs, build yourself a cereal box holder out of Lego...
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Kellogg's already make a brecy cereal for the poor snowflakes it's called Frosties
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    Good to see the Joseph Rowntree Foundation seeking to do its bit for the hard pressed buy to let landlords by forecasting that rents are going to grow ahead of house prices over the next 5 years: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38219881

    After that nasty socialist Osborne's tax changes the sector does indeed need some support and encouragement.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Good morning, everyone.

    My next book is the Journeys fantasy anthology, due out around mid-January. It also has possibly the most politically incorrect line I've ever written (I was rather pleased with it).

    So, if you've read Kingdom Asunder and want a bit more fantasy stuff, it'll be well worth a look. [I'm toying with the idea of releasing a Sir Edric novel next year. Unsure if the timetable stacks up].

    Also, buy Kingdom Asunder.

    Also also, and unrelated, the Ladbrokes team mate market is down. I can only assume the 10pm time was for it to automatically come down just in case news broke overnight. Got to say it was damned sporting of Rosberg to pull a shock retirement so we had something to discuss in the dreary months ahead of testing.

    The adventures of the world's smallest violin would make for great fun. Think of the possibilities :smiley:
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,168
    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    Biden 2020? I understand why he didn't run this time because of the tragic death of his son, but I do think he would have beaten Trump handsomely.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/12/05/504500990/biden-hints-hes-leaving-the-door-open-to-a-2020-run

    He's surely too old, will be 78 in 2020, four years older than Trump.
    He should have run this year as incumbent VP, but was understandably worried about his family and also the Clinton machine - which was well ingrained in the Dem establishment and wanted to win at any cost. Time now for the next generation's Obama to step up, whoever he or she happens to be.

    The Democrats (and the Republicans TBH) need to take a long, hard look at who are are and what they represent, before they choose their candidate for 2020. They not only chose the wrong candidate this time, but they excluded most sensible candidates from even running - and they were talking about things that appealed only to their base and put off undecided voters, well before Hillary called them the deplorables.

    My suggestion would be for the Dems to spend a couple of years working out who they are, then run their primaries a year earlier than usual - have the chosen candidate in place in the middle of 2019, and have them act as a LotO type figure opposing the President.

    This relies on the primary process being one of polite disagreement rather than name calling, and requires the whole party to agree in advance to unite behind the candidate. Of the candidate, it means making sure they don't mess it up and being in campaign mode for eighteen months. Of the party it means getting at least a skeleton campaign infrastructure and fundraising in early, which should be easy if the incumbent Trump is unpopular mid-term.
    First thing the Democrats need to focus on is the 2018 midterms, they will want to make gains there against the backdrop of a potentially unpopular President Trump before even considering the 2020 presidential election. Warren is the likely frontrunner for 2020
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    Good morning, everyone.

    My next book is the Journeys fantasy anthology, due out around mid-January. It also has possibly the most politically incorrect line I've ever written (I was rather pleased with it).

    So, if you've read Kingdom Asunder and want a bit more fantasy stuff, it'll be well worth a look. [I'm toying with the idea of releasing a Sir Edric novel next year. Unsure if the timetable stacks up].

    Also, buy Kingdom Asunder.

    Also also, and unrelated, the Ladbrokes team mate market is down. I can only assume the 10pm time was for it to automatically come down just in case news broke overnight. Got to say it was damned sporting of Rosberg to pull a shock retirement so we had something to discuss in the dreary months ahead of testing.

    I sometimes wonder if Bernie plays F1 like it's a WWF series. "Hmmm. It's going to be a quiet off-season. We need some excitement to keep us in the news. Come here, young Rosberg, I want a word ..."
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
    From what I had read, and not just in the Grauniad, the Tories behaved worse
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/13/tory-election-expenses.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    really.. I don't use breibart but you have given me a reason to continue to ignore it,
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    really.. I don't use breibart but you have given me a reason to continue to ignore it,
    I am sure they will be devastated.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited December 2016
    Now we have the comically idiotic red, white and blue Brexit it seems we have license to create any random flavour of Brexit. I saw sharp Brexit today. Very pointy.

    What other forms are there?

    Anyone for a spherical Brexit? Should Brexit not tessellate?

    Has anyone considered a 4d Brexit? Or a minty Brexit?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    edited December 2016
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
    IDK, there sees to be an awful lot of errors across many parties, a few too many to be mere mistake. They all seem to be at it, but it may be worth establishing who is worse.
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    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?

    Local accountant vs policy wonk?

    David Cheape (Independent): “A professional accountant, I have volunteered with local organisations for many years and been successful in securing council investment for facilities that previously languished through lack of funding and have won grant funding for other community groups.

    “As I believe party politics should play no part in running core local services, unlike the SNP, I will ensure Angus Council delivers on its promises to Carnoustie and district.

    Mark McDonald (Scottish National Party): “I have a Politics degree from Stirling University, which together with my work with Mike Weir MP over the last eight years has given me a deep understanding of many issues that impact Angus and the type of casework I will face, should I be elected.


    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/322800/322800/
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402

    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?

    Its a surprise: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/323652/snp-dont-gain-angus-council-majority-independent-wins-carnoustie-election/

    It also means my local council becomes a minority administration. In fairness they are a pretty small c conservative administration not inclined to flamboyant gestures so it won't make much practical difference. The sort of SNP who feel increasingly not at home in Sturgeon's more clearly defined left of centre party than they did with Salmond's cultivated ambiguity.

    I remember canvassing in Carnoustie for Better Together before the referendum and it was a fairly demoralising experience, really struggling to find No voters even in very affluent areas. SNP support there was extremely strong at the time and was winning something like 75% of the vote from what I saw. Changed days.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    edited December 2016
    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    But Breitbart are calling the decision not to advertise with them an outrage from an iconic brand, which strikes me as ridiculous no matter the reason given, it implies they think they should be given the advertising even if Kellogg's doesn't want to advertise with them. This is snowflake behaviour, pure and simple, the meanies are being mean to me stuff. The sort of crap we all love to mock the left for, well, the boot is on the other foot snowflakes.

    They could have just stated they agree they dont share values and thus in reciprocity will urge people not to purchase Kellogg's products, but that wouldn't have been outraged enough. It was an insult to decide not to advertise on Breitbart, let's whip up the outrage!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    These petitions (in fact, virtually all such petitions) are just pathetic virtue signalling.

    It's been said several times (including below) that in politics you don't insult the electorate. Well, in business you don't insult your paymasters.

    All big advertisers will now be asking themselves if advertising on Breitbart is worth the hassle. Many will be coming to the conclusion it's not.

    Unless Breitbart is developing funding streams outside advertising?
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    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?

    Local accountant vs policy wonk?

    David Cheape (Independent):
    A good (or maybe not) name for an accountant.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?

    Local accountant vs policy wonk?

    David Cheape (Independent):
    A good (or maybe not) name for an accountant.
    My driving instructor's name was Passmore.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    That's exactly it. Companies are free to virtue signal all they like and gamble that it might affect their bottom line either positively or negatively. Or they can just continue to sell their widgets on merit. Ultimately they are accountable to their shareholders.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    really.. I don't use breibart but you have given me a reason to continue to ignore it,
    I am sure they will be devastated.

    I don't give a feck what they think.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/16/news/companies/pepsi-fake-news-boycott-trump/
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    Miss Plato, I feel like I may have missed some conversation yesterday evening :p

    [Besides, I only write serious fantasy. And Sir Edric. Serious and comedy fantasy, and paranormal stories. Serious and comedy fantasy, paranormal stories and sci-fi. ... I'll come in again].

    Mr. Jessop, I think there are elements of that with the sprinkler nonsense (not sure whether he really meant the medal idiocy or not). This, however, is not his doing. I think Rosberg's going to lose out on millions, on top of his salary, by retiring now.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
    IDK, there sees to be an awful lot of errors across many parties, a few too many to be mere mistake. They all seem to be at it, but it may be worth establishing who is worse.
    Maybe there are a lot of errors because the system is ridiculously complicated, the rules were not designed for the days of phone banks and social media campaigning but for some early 20th Century ideal that probably never existed and working out where to put the various items of expenditure is tedious and boring and delegated to those who aren't smart enough to get out of the road?

    Just a thought.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's is a "leftist company"?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    I wonder if people on the left really did stop going to chick fill a in numbers a while back, and if they've now returned. The siren song of a good product would be too much for me to ignore for long, and most companies will be shady in some way I'd think. As I like to say, if some of our food, clothing or electronics are not made by children, slaves, or child slaves, its probably been made by someone treated little better than one.

    Yes, I exaggerate.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    really.. I don't use breibart but you have given me a reason to continue to ignore it,
    I am sure they will be devastated.

    I don't give a feck what they think.
    An attitude that is likely to be mirrored on their side.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Jonathan said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    So much for the alt right advocating freedom.
    Theyre perfectly at liberty to boycott a product... It's just kinda funny they are doing it for such a feeble reason.
    Of course they're free to not purchase a product, the reason for doing so is the only amusement.
    Fresh from polishing their jackboots and preparing to meet their manifest destiny, they pause only to screech in despair at a snub at the breakfast table.

    Sugar Puffs.
    In fairness I never enjoy getting a serving of bigotry at the breakfast table. what's wrong with toast? Soft, white toast turning a crispy brown...wait a minute! God damn multiculturalists breakfast wanting to darken everyone up.
    Milk should only ever be white at the breakfast table though.
    I wonder what Breitbart's view on Chocolate Milk (brown) or Strawberry milk (pink) is?
    Clearly Chocolate Milk (brown) in neither milk nor chocolate, or Strawberry milk (pink) strawberries nor milk, but a messy fusion of the two. Ech, I can hardly bear to look at these products, let alone eat them.
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    Miss Plato, I feel like I may have missed some conversation yesterday evening :p

    [Besides, I only write serious fantasy. And Sir Edric. Serious and comedy fantasy, and paranormal stories. Serious and comedy fantasy, paranormal stories and sci-fi. ... I'll come in again].

    Mr. Jessop, I think there are elements of that with the sprinkler nonsense (not sure whether he really meant the medal idiocy or not). This, however, is not his doing. I think Rosberg's going to lose out on millions, on top of his salary, by retiring now.

    Whisper it not... there are thing more important than money...

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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920
    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    The Breitbart app is available on apple store.
    The PepsiCo CEO story telling trump voters to go elsewhere is also fake although the boycott is real based on fake news.

    This is the problem with the stories you share Platosaid... Too many of them turn out not to be true because you rely on unreliable sources.



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    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/16/news/companies/pepsi-fake-news-boycott-trump/
    That's glorious. The sense of victimhood is strong.
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    Mr. Abroad, yes, and it's easier to appreciate that when you already have quite a lot.

    Rosberg taking a dive to make things interesting doesn't make sense, because that's 'playing the game' but at the same time losing him a fortune. Him retiring because he genuinely wants to spend time with his family does make sense.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    kle4 said:

    Worth noting I'm sure no one would like to be told or hear it implied they are, shall we say, deplorable, but reaction to such minor things as advertising, well, theres a subset on left and right who want to feel important, part of a crusade, or the victim of a crusade, no matter what.

    Think the word you are grasping for is "NUTTERS"
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    kle4 said:

    I wonder if people on the left really did stop going to chick fill a in numbers a while back, and if they've now returned. The siren song of a good product would be too much for me to ignore for long, and most companies will be shady in some way I'd think. As I like to say, if some of our food, clothing or electronics are not made by children, slaves, or child slaves, its probably been made by someone treated little better than one.

    Yes, I exaggerate.

    A very serious lefty friend refused to watch or buy from Amazon or use Vodafone because he didn't approve of their tax positions.

    Then I noticed he'd migrated his mobile to Vodafone when it went to voice mail. He's probably shopped at Amazon too. Serious consumer boycotts are pretty unusual. I can't think of one I've participated in - I've bought from another for a bag of reasons.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    malcolmg said:

    kle4 said:

    Worth noting I'm sure no one would like to be told or hear it implied they are, shall we say, deplorable, but reaction to such minor things as advertising, well, theres a subset on left and right who want to feel important, part of a crusade, or the victim of a crusade, no matter what.

    Think the word you are grasping for is "NUTTERS"
    Succinct and to the point Malcolm.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited December 2016
    Been busy these past few weeks.

    On yesterday's news has the question been answered as to how come what was bad for the country hitherto (no running commentary) is suddenly now ok given a possible HoC defeat?

    What happened to principles? If it was bad for the country before surely it is still bad.

    I get the pragmatism of the situation but this echoes the decision in Richmond. Theresa seems to be scared of having to fight her case.

    Apart from the SC case, obvs, which she was bounced into.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
    Just confirms what cheats and liars they are.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.
    Just confirms what cheats and liars they are.
    Never rule out complete incompetence Malcolm, especially in our political class.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,237
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Oh dear

    The Electoral Commission has given the LibDems the maximum £20,000 election fraud fine, ruled they committed multiple offences and referred them to the police.

    ...The Electoral Commission’s investigation uncovered 307 payments totalling £184,676 which the candidate had split between local and national spend, but which were missing from the national return...

    They also slammed the LibDems for contributing to “damage to public confidence” and “detriment to transparency in politics”.

    Here’s the real kicker: the Electoral Commission notes that knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration is a more serious criminal offence, of which they believe the LibDems are guilty...

    http://order-order.com/2016/12/07/libdems-given-maximum-expenses-fine-broke-electoral-law-referred-police/

    Am I alone in being completely underwhelmed by this? It seems to me that there are some overly enthusiastic jobsworths trying to demonstrate that they actually have a point here. It might have been different (maybe) if this £184K put the Lib Dems over their legal spending limit for the election but they were not even close. This is an accounting error.

    Morning from Chiltern Trains Mainline....

    Guido and his merry bunch of shitstirrers getting overexcited. If I was the Libdems I'd be asking what's happened to the bigger election expenses scandal. That certainly needs proper exposition.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    kle4 said:

    Worth noting I'm sure no one would like to be told or hear it implied they are, shall we say, deplorable, but reaction to such minor things as advertising, well, theres a subset on left and right who want to feel important, part of a crusade, or the victim of a crusade, no matter what.

    Think the word you are grasping for is "NUTTERS"
    Succinct and to the point Malcolm.
    Morning David, I imagined you would be in Supreme Court today making Scotland's constitutional position clear to that foreign court.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    Starbucks CEO insulted Trump and Trump supporters response was to buy lots of coffee at Starbucks in protest.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    Never rule out complete incompetence Malcolm, especially in our political class.

    https://twitter.com/scottishsun/status/806413093039378433
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    Stand by your bets: possible spring election in Italy and exit from the euro?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-politics-idUSKBN13V1BD
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    rkrkrk said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    GeoffM said:

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Enjoy your Kellogg's cornflakes today:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38167910

    I've already signed the petition, along with 395,000 others

    http://www.breitbart.com/dumpkelloggs/
    Surely you dont really think a company cannot advertise or not with whoever they like for whatever reason they like?

    I suspect Kellogg's won't be adding 'like serving bigotry at the breakfast table' to their slogans though
    Kellogg's decided that they didn't want to advertise on Breitbart saying that they don't share "values" and therefore Breitbart have called on its readers not to buy Kellogg products.

    Both actions seem completely free market and reasonable to me.
    PepsiCo CEO said she didn't want Trump voters as customers too. So they're going to Coca-Cola instead.

    There's something really weird about business people virtue signalling over politics that harms it's own home market. Apple have removed the Breitbart app from its store IIRC.
    The Breitbart app is available on apple store.
    The PepsiCo CEO story telling trump voters to go elsewhere is also fake although the boycott is real based on fake news.

    This is the problem with the stories you share Platosaid... Too many of them turn out not to be true because you rely on unreliable sources.



    So CityAM is the wrong sort of source too. Okay.

    http://www.cityam.com/254884/brands-need-grow-backbone-and-stop-pandering-lefts-virtue?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=dvTwitter
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    TOPPING said:

    Been busy these past few weeks.

    On yesterday's news has the question been answered as to how come what was bad for the country hitherto (no running commentary) is suddenly now ok given a possible HoC defeat?

    What happened to principles? If it was bad for the country before surely it is still bad.

    I get the pragmatism of the situation but this echoes the decision in Richmond. Theresa seems to be scared of having to fight her case.

    Apart from the SC case, obvs, which she was bounced into.

    I agree with you and explains why I could never be a politician. I can't bring myself to lie or traduce my own beliefs just to avoid an embarrassing situation or cling to the reins of power just for power's sake
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    There was a post about how Trump had apparently bunged Carrier ~ £15 million or w/e for saving ~ 800 jobs.

    I thought it was remarkably cheap given how much it cost to save banking jobs...
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Parish notice

    HD is new dad again of twin boys. Aww. Pix on his twitter account.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."

    It's the guy who bought ARM
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38232311
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    Pulpstar said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    There was a post about how Trump had apparently bunged Carrier ~ £15 million or w/e for saving ~ 800 jobs.

    I thought it was remarkably cheap given how much it cost to save banking jobs...
    I am sure Mr Dilbert is right that Trump is approaching this as a new CEO. What else could he do? He has no public office experience what so ever. That was part of the attraction.

    I suspect he will become undone though because at some point the wily skills of a politician, honed over time, will be required and he will make a total balls-up of something.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    PlatoSaid said:

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."

    It's the guy who bought ARM
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38232311
    One BIG advantage Trump has here is that the US is still by some way the largest consumer market in the world that has a single "leader". This means he has some actual carrots and sticks to play with...
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Pulpstar said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    There was a post about how Trump had apparently bunged Carrier ~ £15 million or w/e for saving ~ 800 jobs.

    I thought it was remarkably cheap given how much it cost to save banking jobs...
    On the whole, I just ignore all the carping/crowing from partisans. Nothing will satisfy or deflect them.

    Same with #fakenews. There's dozens of examples of it from the MSM that those who approve/disapprove can cite. It's a zero sum game that I honestly can't understand the MSM playing.

    The Guardian did it to the NOTW and dragged the entire industry down several notches. The US media are now replicating it in spades along with social media. It's a Mexican stand-off that adds nothing to their collective credibility.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited December 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    There was a post about how Trump had apparently bunged Carrier ~ £15 million or w/e for saving ~ 800 jobs.

    I thought it was remarkably cheap given how much it cost to save banking jobs...
    I am sure Mr Dilbert is right that Trump is approaching this as a new CEO. What else could he do? He has no public office experience what so ever. That was part of the attraction.

    I suspect he will become undone though because at some point the wily skills of a politician, honed over time, will be required and he will make a total balls-up of something.
    The economy might undo him, or audio emerging of him using the Dambuster hound's name inappropriately but not much else so far as I can see.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    PlatoSaid said:

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."

    He's borrowing $50bn in the US to invest $50bn in the US. It's a sort of "heads he wins, tails the banks lose" kind of trade.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited December 2016
    Another great twitter account is made. I detest tannin heavy tea, but this is a very funny thread

    Yorkshire Tea
    @2spikywwefans English Breakfast tea isn't grown in England either. We're sorry to be the ones to break this to you.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PCollinsTimes: Do the smart Brexit people not think the dumb ones (those who don't rate British justice) are both wrong and doing their case no favours?
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    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    Pandering to emotions rather than reason is pretty much the definition of populism, isn't it? It doesn't usually work out well.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."

    He's borrowing $50bn in the US to invest $50bn in the US. It's a sort of "heads he wins, tails the banks lose" kind of trade.
    What is worth $70 Bn in collateral that Sprint is giving ;) ?
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    Curiously, Niall Fergusson's recantation over BREXIT has only made the Sun & the Mail - Guardian and BBC must be fact checking it.......
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    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    Never rule out complete incompetence Malcolm, especially in our political class.

    https://twitter.com/scottishsun/status/806413093039378433
    I quite liked this sorry...

    Mannequin challenge showing men armed with guns in drive-by shooting scene ends in several arrests

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2344595/mannequin-challenge-showing-men-armed-with-guns-in-drive-by-shooting-scene-ends-in-several-arrests/
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,568

    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    Pandering to emotions rather than reason is pretty much the definition of populism, isn't it? It doesn't usually work out well.
    I don't believe so, no. I'd say the anti-populist cause has done it a great deal more.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    @rcs1000 I guess it is better for the US than the Japanese borrowing $50 Bn from US banks to "invest" $50 Bn in Mexico :p
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    Great photo of Osborne looking witheringly at Britain's leading pitchforker, IDS, in DM this morning:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4007894/IAIN-DUNCAN-SMITH-s-crucial-judges-decide-fate-Brexit-scrutinised.html

    Don't bother to read the actual article which just shows why the Tories made their greatest decision when they dumped him. The dog next door has more knowledge of the british legal and constitutional system.
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    Curiously, Niall Fergusson's recantation over BREXIT has only made the Sun & the Mail - Guardian and BBC must be fact checking it.......

    Did the BBC and Guardian cover Ferguson's original position?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."

    He's borrowing $50bn in the US to invest $50bn in the US. It's a sort of "heads he wins, tails the banks lose" kind of trade.
    What is worth $70 Bn in collateral that Sprint is giving ;) ?
    And @rcs1000 is deliberately missing the point here. That's fine as we all understand his position.

    The populace hear More Good News that either confirms that Trump = Jobs MAGA or Bugger, My Hate Figure Is Winning And I Don't Like It.

    It's all Persuasion War manoeuvring. Obama is now entirely irrelevant. I presume he's gone from Mr Angry to Mr Fck It in a matter of days.
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    DavidL said:

    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?

    Its a surprise: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/323652/snp-dont-gain-angus-council-majority-independent-wins-carnoustie-election/

    It also means my local council becomes a minority administration. In fairness they are a pretty small c conservative administration not inclined to flamboyant gestures so it won't make much practical difference. The sort of SNP who feel increasingly not at home in Sturgeon's more clearly defined left of centre party than they did with Salmond's cultivated ambiguity.
    Is it ever a surprise in STV by-elections when the party (or in this case independents) who previously won the popular vote gain a seat? In this case the independent had 483 + 1750 votes from the previous election to draw upon, the SNP 582 + 1029.
    DavidL said:

    I remember canvassing in Carnoustie for Better Together before the referendum and it was a fairly demoralising experience, really struggling to find No voters even in very affluent areas. SNP support there was extremely strong at the time and was winning something like 75% of the vote from what I saw. Changed days.

    Which party's badge were you wearing at the time? :)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned on PB

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

    "The KC Star reported:

    President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Tokyo-based parent company of Sprint Corp. has agreed to invest $50 billion and create 50,000 jobs in the United States...."

    He's borrowing $50bn in the US to invest $50bn in the US. It's a sort of "heads he wins, tails the banks lose" kind of trade.
    What is worth $70 Bn in collateral that Sprint is giving ;) ?
    He is using his Sprint holdings as collateral, yes.

    Currently, SoftBank owns 3.3bn shares of sprint, worth around $20bn.

    So, he's using $20bn of collateral to make the trade.

    There's a big but though.

    Sprint itself is very, very highly levered. It has $31bn of debt on its balance sheet, and free cash flow of -$247m. If Sprint works out, he'll do very well. But if US mobile phone prices were to come down towards European levels, then Sprint (the fourth largest US mobile phone company) could find itself in real trouble, real quick.

    I like his chtuzpah: take one asset that's a bit troubled, and borrow $50bn against it, to invest in a whole bunch of other things. If it doesn't work out, walk away from the whole lot, and lose a maximum of $20bn. (And he hasn't really lost that, as he couldn't really sell Sprint for that money today.) But if Sprint works, or if some of these investments pay off, you could be looking at $100bn of upside.

    As I said "heads he wins, tails the banks lose".
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    Curiously, Niall Fergusson's recantation over BREXIT has only made the Sun & the Mail - Guardian and BBC must be fact checking it.......

    Did the BBC and Guardian cover Ferguson's original position?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/25/vote-to-leave-eu-will-condemn-britain-to-irrelevance-say-historians

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36371700
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    Curiously, Niall Fergusson's recantation over BREXIT has only made the Sun & the Mail - Guardian and BBC must be fact checking it.......

    Did the BBC and Guardian cover Ferguson's original position?
    He was right about Trump though. Been saying in the ST for months that commentators were missing stuff and that there was a real chance he could win and pols needed to start thinking about what that would mean for washington and wider west.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    This is spot on. Many of us have seen or done this ourselves

    "One of the things I will enjoy about the Trump presidency is watching non-business writers try to explain his methods. Case in point, the recent stories about Ford and Carrier keeping some parts of their manufacturing in the United States because Trump negotiated/bullied them into staying... The political filter misses the story completely. As usual.

    Here’s the real story. You need a business filter to see it clearly. In my corporate life I watched lots of new leaders replace old leaders. And there is one trick the good leaders do that bad leaders don’t: They make some IMMEDIATE improvement that everyone can see. It has to be visible, relatively simple, and fast. Why?

    Because humans are not rational. Our first impressions rule our emotions forever. Trump has a second chance to make a first impression because his performance as President is fresh ground. Trump is attacking the job like a seasoned CEO, not like a politician. He knows that his entire four-year term will be judged by what happens before it even starts. What he does today will determine how much support and political capital he has for his entire term...

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153905823756/the-new-ceos-first-moves-and-trump

    Pandering to emotions rather than reason is pretty much the definition of populism, isn't it? It doesn't usually work out well.
    I don't believe so, no. I'd say the anti-populist cause has done it a great deal more.
    I'm not sure what do you mean by the "anti-populist cause". That would be rationalism, wouldn't it? Populism is basically telling people what they want to hear to make them feel good and vote for you, even though what you are saying isn't based on rational analysis. Policies that are not based on reason are, ultimately, unlikely to be effective.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920
    PlatoSaid said:

    kle4 said:

    I wonder if people on the left really did stop going to chick fill a in numbers a while back, and if they've now returned. The siren song of a good product would be too much for me to ignore for long, and most companies will be shady in some way I'd think. As I like to say, if some of our food, clothing or electronics are not made by children, slaves, or child slaves, its probably been made by someone treated little better than one.

    Yes, I exaggerate.

    A very serious lefty friend refused to watch or buy from Amazon or use Vodafone because he didn't approve of their tax positions.

    Then I noticed he'd migrated his mobile to Vodafone when it went to voice mail. He's probably shopped at Amazon too. Serious consumer boycotts are pretty unusual. I can't think of one I've participated in - I've bought from another for a bag of reasons.
    To those interested- I've been using hive.co.uk as an ethical alternative to Amazon.
    Has a wide range and they are ethical too!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402

    DavidL said:

    What happened in Carnoustie and why did an independent beat the SNP?

    Its a surprise: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/323652/snp-dont-gain-angus-council-majority-independent-wins-carnoustie-election/

    It also means my local council becomes a minority administration. In fairness they are a pretty small c conservative administration not inclined to flamboyant gestures so it won't make much practical difference. The sort of SNP who feel increasingly not at home in Sturgeon's more clearly defined left of centre party than they did with Salmond's cultivated ambiguity.
    Is it ever a surprise in STV by-elections when the party (or in this case independents) who previously won the popular vote gain a seat? In this case the independent had 483 + 1750 votes from the previous election to draw upon, the SNP 582 + 1029.
    DavidL said:

    I remember canvassing in Carnoustie for Better Together before the referendum and it was a fairly demoralising experience, really struggling to find No voters even in very affluent areas. SNP support there was extremely strong at the time and was winning something like 75% of the vote from what I saw. Changed days.

    Which party's badge were you wearing at the time? :)
    A Better Together badge that day. A Labour badge in Carnoustie would never have been a good idea!
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