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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited November 2016

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Singer Bob Geldof, an outspoken pro-EU campaigner, will join Lib Dems on the campaign trail on Wednesday afternoon.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    Andrew Sparrow calls PMQs a draw and doesn't elaborate on the mix up.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Who could have predicted that? Zac's a fool as I said from the outset...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited November 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Who could have predicted that? Zac's a fool as I said from the outset...
    Lets hope its more accurate than the last Lib Dem polling effort:

    "Polling by Survation which looks at voting intentions broken down by individual candidates in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine puts the Lib Dems holding onto the seat.

    When asked if there was a general election tomorrow, who would people vote for knowing who was standing, 30.4% opted for Sir Robert.

    The result will be a blow for the SNP as 25.3% said they would vote for their candidate Stu Donaldson, behind Scottish Tory Alexander Burnett 26.6%. Labour’s Barry Black polled 11.5%."

    2015 Result:
    Conservative: 15916 (28.8%)
    Labour: 2487 (4.5%)
    Lib Dem: 11812 (21.4%)
    SNP: 22949 (41.6%)
    Green: 885 (1.6%)
    UKIP: 1006 (1.8%)
    Independent: 141 (0.3%)
  • Pulpstar said:

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Singer Bob Geldof, an outspoken pro-EU campaigner, will join Lib Dems on the campaign trail on Wednesday afternoon.
    Nice that he's taking time off from arranging his flit back to Ireland.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Singer Bob Geldof, an outspoken pro-EU campaigner, will join Lib Dems on the campaign trail on Wednesday afternoon.
    Uh-oh! He's up there with Eddie Izzard in the 'kiss of death' stakes.
  • Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Well, they would say that.....
  • Dromedary said:

    Scott_P said:

    The SNP just hate the English. The EU are not English.

    Correct.

    Many people underestimate the SNP's cultiness and xenophobia and the infantile chip-on-the-shoulder "true believer" mentality that it plays to.

    I have heard Scottish nationalists declare that Scottish people didn't get a vote in the EUref because they weren't asked whether they wanted to stay in the EU. They seem to have forgotten that only an independent country can belong to the EU and the Scottish people recently rejected independence.

    Try telling an independence supporter that

    * what they are saying is that it's more important for Scotland to be in a single market (freedom of movement sense included) with Germany, Poland and Romania than with England

    * it is impossible for an independent country to be in a single market with two countries that aren't in a single market with each other

    (this gets harder to recognise the more someone has been shouting that the NO result in the EUref means there should be another indyref, because they might have to accept how mentally drugged they were not to notice)

    * an independent Scotland would have no "right" to be in the EU, and that isn't the fault of the English

    * an independent Scotland would have no "right" to a high credit rating

    * an independent Scotland would have no "right" to be in a single market with England, and it won't be in one if Scotland is in the EU and rUK is outside the EU and the single market - and that means customs posts on the border. And no, that's not "scaremongering". That's the truth.

    * England or rUK or E+W would not have to give an independent Scotland everything it wants in negotiations.

    * Considering the cons as well as the pros of what you want is what an intelligent person does. It is revoltingly ugly to consider such a person to be a "race traitor".
    They shouldn't be described as supporters of "independence" at all. They're supporting precisely the opposite of what the word says, if they want to be part of the EU post Brexit.
  • This is superb - I must have missed it at the time:

    We asked Mr Campbell if he had any fetishes and he said: “I must have a thousand but, hand on my heart, I couldn’t tell which is the most important one. Probably the horses.”

    Realising we were speaking at cross-purposes we provided Ronnie with a definition of fetish provided by the campaign.

    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/803940819371782144
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,907

    They shouldn't be described as supporters of "independence" at all. They're supporting precisely the opposite of what the word says, if they want to be part of the EU post Brexit.

    What do you suggest as an alternative? Perhaps the Scottish Equality Party? In favour of having the same status as Ireland as a full sovereign member of the European Union.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    Betfair doesn't believe the Lib Dem poll, Zac still 1.345 midprice not the ~ 2.2 implied by the 'poll'.
  • :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-pence-carrier-corp-reach-deal-keep-nearly-1000-jobs-n689911

    This is all that voters really care about, this shows how weak Obama was considering that Carrier relies so much on government contracts.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair doesn't believe the Lib Dem poll, Zac still 1.345 midprice not the ~ 2.2 implied by the 'poll'.

    In the BF alternate universe, Dave is congratulating Hillary on winning while Juppé is the LR candidate!
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair doesn't believe the Lib Dem poll, Zac still 1.345 midprice not the ~ 2.2 implied by the 'poll'.

    In the BF alternate universe, Dave is congratulating Hillary on winning while Juppé is the LR candidate!
    Anecdotal nonsense is just as rubbish as betting market implied probabilities.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    nunu said:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-pence-carrier-corp-reach-deal-keep-nearly-1000-jobs-n689911

    This is all that voters really care about, this shows how weak Obama was considering that Carrier relies so much on government contracts.

    Yes, I think we're going to see less offshoring under Trump but longer term a much larger emphasis on automation.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited November 2016
    My god! That Labour woman (a minister?) is a hopeless, boneless moron.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    omg! these two idiots on daily politics.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    Just read about the possible infiltration of German intelligence services by a possible ISIS spy. Sounds extremely serious, hopefully this was just an isolated case. The last thing we need is for ISIS to have access to any European intelligence.
  • MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920
    Pulpstar said:

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Singer Bob Geldof, an outspoken pro-EU campaigner, will join Lib Dems on the campaign trail on Wednesday afternoon.
    Bob Geldof did more for the Leave cause than almost anyone else. Can he repeat the achievement here?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920
    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
  • MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.

    Didn't see that bit of DP, but I have sympathy with the vegans on this one. It seems a really thoughtless/careless thing for the State to have done.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.

    Beef Tallow. I can see that not going down well in Leicester.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Is the Spanish economy considered to be "advanced"?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,907
    rcs1000 said:

    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.

    Corbyn should have asked May whether she considers Spain to be an advanced economy or not.
  • MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.

    Didn't see that bit of DP, but I have sympathy with the vegans on this one. It seems a really thoughtless/careless thing for the State to have done.
    Well they could choose to eat currency from another country.
  • nunu said:

    omg! these two idiots on daily politics.

    Which ones? Lots to choose from today.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,907
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    The EU is the 20th member of the G20.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Scottish banknotes are tallow free...
  • Scott_P said:

    Scottish banknotes are tallow free...

    So is Monopoly money.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/803947487451037697

    Lib Dems need a modest proposal to overcome this.
  • Good afternoon, everyone.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Singer Bob Geldof, an outspoken pro-EU campaigner, will join Lib Dems on the campaign trail on Wednesday afternoon.
    Bob Geldof did more for the Leave cause than almost anyone else. Can he repeat the achievement here?
    Yes, it is a Hillary Clinton mistake.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.

    Didn't see that bit of DP, but I have sympathy with the vegans on this one. It seems a really thoughtless/careless thing for the State to have done.
    Well they could choose to eat currency from another country.
    Or £10 notes, if those are paper!
  • rcs1000 said:

    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.

    Corbyn should have asked May whether she considers Spain to be an advanced economy or not.
    It's got some ground to make up, let's put it that way.

    But I would generally prefer to live in a country that has taken a hit and is now growing (SPain and to a lesser extent the UK) than one that has flatlined (France).
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair doesn't believe the Lib Dem poll, Zac still 1.345 midprice not the ~ 2.2 implied by the 'poll'.

    Whilst Zac is favourite, I think it will be closer than expected. Libs have a great ground game. Zac will have none. If I had a bet, I would go with the Lib.
  • MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.

    Beef Tallow. I can see that not going down well in Leicester.
    better than anything Pork though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Singer Bob Geldof, an outspoken pro-EU campaigner, will join Lib Dems on the campaign trail on Wednesday afternoon.
    Bob Geldof did more for the Leave cause than almost anyone else. Can he repeat the achievement here?
    Geldof on a yacht literally sticking up two fingers to working people has to be the iconic image of Remain.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Dixie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair doesn't believe the Lib Dem poll, Zac still 1.345 midprice not the ~ 2.2 implied by the 'poll'.

    Whilst Zac is favourite, I think it will be closer than expected. Libs have a great ground game. Zac will have none. If I had a bet, I would go with the Lib.
    Sorely tempted to put some money on Zac - I know the LibDems have good form on this kind of thing but all my instincts say that Zac still has too many things going for him, for him to lose this.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    I think it's a combination of not really having a military and already having enough European members in the G20.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920
    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Is the Spanish economy considered to be "advanced"?
    In what way would it not be considered advanced?

    On the index of economic complexity (i.e. how advanced an economy is), it scores more highly than Canada, for example.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    Why are ourselves, France, Germany and Italy all in the G20 twice ?
  • Mr. 1000, no apostrophe in 'its' when used to denote possession.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,769
    Pulpstar said:
    Polar bears taking the whole white supremacy too literally?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    I think it's a combination of not really having a military and already having enough European members in the G20.
    Fair point. But I think the EU should leave the G20 to make way for Spain...

    (I admit to being a little bit of a Spainophile.)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    The BBC has an interesting definition of 'plummet'

    Apparently RBS shares 'plummeted' after failing the Stress test. They're down 2.59%.
  • Mr. Pulpstar, to be fair, that's better than Sky's inflation 'spike' of 0.1%.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,384
    edited November 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    The EU is a member of the G20, so de facto..

    Edit: ah, 'Spain, being the 14th largest economy in the world and 5th in the European Union in terms of nominal GDP, is a "permanent guest" of the organization, although the Spanish government's policy is to not request official membership.'
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920

    Mr. 1000, no apostrophe in 'its' when used to denote possession.

    Quite right. I don't know what came over me.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    I think it's a combination of not really having a military and already having enough European members in the G20.
    Fair point. But I think the EU should leave the G20 to make way for Spain...

    (I admit to being a little bit of a Spainophile.)
    Yes, I can agree with that. I personally don't think the EU should be involved in any of this stuff. I can understand being given WTO representation because it is a customs union, but beyond that it is completely pointless and an affront to democratically elected leaders that aren't able to get their voices and the voices of their electors heard.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Asked about having cake and eat it, PM dodges question and says it's about Britain getting best deal... which is same thing #PMQs

    Not the same thing at all
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Just watched Zac on DP. He's long winded in public. Quite a bore.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited November 2016

    MP F***wit of the day award?

    Step forward Henry Smith on Daily Politics complaining about animal products used in the £5 note.

    Beef Tallow. I can see that not going down well in Leicester.
    better than anything Pork though.
    I bet it'd be changed if it was Pork. All religions are equal...
  • Pulpstar said:

    The BBC has an interesting definition of 'plummet'

    Apparently RBS shares 'plummeted' after failing the Stress test. They're down 2.59%.

    I understand this is based on their balance sheet as of 31 January 2015!!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    :smiley:

    Science Cat
    Visual Effects have come a long way https://t.co/5KBS6IAUEO
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dadge said:

    Not the same thing at all

    Probably true. The "best" deal we can get is no cake at all...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,920
    Dixie said:

    Just watched Zac on DP. He's long winded in public. Quite a bore.

    I have a quite irrational dislike of Zac.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    Pulpstar said:

    The BBC has an interesting definition of 'plummet'

    Apparently RBS shares 'plummeted' after failing the Stress test. They're down 2.59%.

    I understand this is based on their balance sheet as of 31 January 2015!!
    Good grief. Has Carney shorted them or something ?
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Labour got 12.3% in 2015 Richmond Park election. They could get less than 10%, perhaps 5%!


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000896#constituency_result_headline
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,333
    Pulpstar said:

    The BBC has an interesting definition of 'plummet'

    Apparently RBS shares 'plummeted' after failing the Stress test. They're down 2.59%.

    The BBC is all about sensationalism. Facts? Who gives a shit about those.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,769
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The BBC has an interesting definition of 'plummet'

    Apparently RBS shares 'plummeted' after failing the Stress test. They're down 2.59%.

    The BBC is all about sensationalism.
    Come off it.
  • Some interesting facts and figures. IMHO we will start to see major drop in minimum wage jobs in the 5-10 year timeframe.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/24699-mcdonald-s-response-to-15-minimum-wage-automation-in-every-store
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Matthew Goodwin
    Labour has no idea how to stop Ukip. Labour MP Frank Field in today's Times https://t.co/9UbslRKkmh
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    rcs1000 said:

    Dixie said:

    Just watched Zac on DP. He's long winded in public. Quite a bore.

    I have a quite irrational dislike of Zac.
    I think it is rational. I've spent a lot of time with him. He is mild and civil, but reality he is selfish. He's not interested in other people's ideas. He's a brilliant MP locally because he shares the concerns of his residents. But that is coincidence, not because he does what they want. This by-election is all about a cry for attention.
  • Dixie said:

    Just watched Zac on DP. He's long winded in public. Quite a bore.

    Weren't you campaigning for him during the mayoral election?
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    I think it's a combination of not really having a military and already having enough European members in the G20.
    Fair point. But I think the EU should leave the G20 to make way for Spain...

    (I admit to being a little bit of a Spainophile.)
    I think that the UK should cease advertising itself as '5th. largest economy in the world'. Last time I looked on Wikipedia it was 8 or 9
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    PlatoSaid said:

    Matthew Goodwin
    Labour has no idea how to stop Ukip. Labour MP Frank Field in today's Times https://t.co/9UbslRKkmh

    Clive Lewis bettors note the last paragraph.
  • Mr. 1000, well, quite.

    I spotted something similar in the latter part of Kingdom Asunder during the proofread. The note I wrote myself said to remove the apostrophe, then cut my hands off :p
  • Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Is Zac accident prone?
    Goldsmith was late to the last hustings of the byelection on Tuesday night after a car accident in which he was struck by his own vehicle, though he escaped unharmed.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Just watching TDP. Angela Rayner, oh my gosh. Labour's obsession with identity politics. Wow.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited November 2016

    Mr. 1000, well, quite.

    I spotted something similar in the latter part of Kingdom Asunder during the proofread. The note I wrote myself said to remove the apostrophe, then cut my hands off :p

    I'm awed that you were able to proofread your own book. Bloody impossible job in my experience.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Some interesting facts and figures. IMHO we will start to see major drop in minimum wage jobs in the 5-10 year timeframe.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/24699-mcdonald-s-response-to-15-minimum-wage-automation-in-every-store

    No we won't.

    The minimum or living wage acts like a magnet that will attract more and more jobs to be paid at the lowest (or close to the lowest) legal rate. It sets a floor that will become the norm for many jobs that are currently paid well over the minimum.
  • Scott_P said:
    The Labour party does not have an antisemitism problem.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,907

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    I think it's a combination of not really having a military and already having enough European members in the G20.
    Fair point. But I think the EU should leave the G20 to make way for Spain...

    (I admit to being a little bit of a Spainophile.)
    I think that the UK should cease advertising itself as '5th. largest economy in the world'. Last time I looked on Wikipedia it was 8 or 9
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP).
    Interesting graph of historical share of world GDP. (But flawed because the figures add up to 100% but don't include the rest of the world.)

    image
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited November 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    :lol: - In the great scheme of things it's no great shakes, but it’s the little things like this that make one question Corbyn’s suitability for PM.
    People often say the wrong thing, but think they are saying something different. This is on the Guardian live blog:

    May says the IMF says this will be the fastest growing advanced economy in the world. Unemployment is down, and there are a record number of people in employment.

    Corbyn says the deficit was meant to be eradicated by 2015, and then by 2020. Now the date has been put off again. And she mentions the IFS, but it says the prospect for workers is “dreadful” and that this will be the worst decade for living standards since the 1020s.


    To me that looks like Corbyn heard May mention three letters beginning with I and thought IFS - his team would have talked about them last week - and thought he had an opportunity to score a goal.
    Ummm: surely Spain is the fastest growing advanced economy in the world right now? They're running at c. 3% for the second year in a row.
    Spain isn't in the G20 iirc and definitely isn't in the G7.
    Which is strange, because it's economy is the 14th largest in the world, and is the same size as Australia's or Russia's. (It's economy is more than 4x larger than South Africa's, and they get into the G20.)
    I think it's a combination of not really having a military and already having enough European members in the G20.
    Fair point. But I think the EU should leave the G20 to make way for Spain...

    (I admit to being a little bit of a Spainophile.)
    I think that the UK should cease advertising itself as '5th. largest economy in the world'. Last time I looked on Wikipedia it was 8 or 9
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP).
    PPP isn't really the best measure for "largeness" of the economy. Straight nominal GDP will do there. We 'were' fifth on that measure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita is the best measure for how the "average" person is, though. And we are 25th here.
  • Mr. Rex, it's hateful, but I'm also loathe to let others do it. I only ever get anything remotely OCD in two situations, one of which is proofreading. I imagine some have slipped through the cracks, though one of the best compliments I ever got was for Sir Edric's Temple [since unpublished but included in The Adventures of Sir Edric], where the reviewer didn't find a single typo.
  • It's just as well that vegans don't tend to be militarist. The Indian mutiny was sparked by very similar concerns to those expressed about the new £5 note:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#The_Enfield_Rifle
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    It's just as well that vegans don't tend to be militarist. The Indian mutiny was sparked by very similar concerns to those expressed about the new £5 note:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#The_Enfield_Rifle

    After the rebellion, there was rumour in Britain that Russia was responsible !
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565

    Liberal Democrats in Richmond Park are predicting they will narrowly snatch the west London seat from Zac Goldsmith, after a campaigning blitz in which the party claimed activists spoke to more than 30,000 voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/30/lib-dems-eye-victory-over-zac-goldsmith-richmond-park?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Well, they would say that.....
    No - it's a very risky message. If the LDs are already winning, they don't need my vote. The message of being a couple of % behind is safer.

    Having said that, my LD source is bullish - there was a sense a while back that polling day would come too soon, but not any more. Real question is whether the tactical votes promised from ex-Labour supporters who don't like Corbyn / Brexit will come off. If they sit on their hands, Zac will squeak home.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Pulpstar said:

    The BBC has an interesting definition of 'plummet'

    Apparently RBS shares 'plummeted' after failing the Stress test. They're down 2.59%.

    I'd love to see senior BBC Executives have their salaries "plummet". I would think a 0.001% cut would qualify.....
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    Mr. Rex, it's hateful, but I'm also loathe to let others do it. I only ever get anything remotely OCD in two situations, one of which is proofreading. I imagine some have slipped through the cracks, though one of the best compliments I ever got was for Sir Edric's Temple [since unpublished but included in The Adventures of Sir Edric], where the reviewer didn't find a single typo.

    Only time I've ever done it was with the one book I published through Lulu. I thought I'd made a good job of it until I got my first bound copy. It looked like someone had copied the typescript in crayon and then run it through an OCR program. Never again!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Scott_P said:

    MaxPB said:

    it was your lot that wanted the government to give away indefinite right to remain for EU citizens without the government agreeing the same for British citizens in the EU.

    Not my lot...

    I voted remain
    From sitting on the fence scotty -lol
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Dixie said:

    Just watched Zac on DP. He's long winded in public. Quite a bore.

    Weren't you campaigning for him during the mayoral election?
    Err, yes. It taught me a lot about him. Very good, civilised and honest chap. But self centred
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    edited November 2016

    It's just as well that vegans don't tend to be militarist. The Indian mutiny was sparked by very similar concerns to those expressed about the new £5 note:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#The_Enfield_Rifle

    But Hindus have the Bomb....
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Jonathan said:

    Pulpstar said:
    Polar bears taking the whole white supremacy too literally?
    Gonna go out on a limb and say the polar bear population in Alabama isn't quite large enough to swing the result ;)
  • Mr. Rex, yeah, not looking forward to trying to get it right for CreateSpace when making the paperback edition.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,769

    Jonathan said:

    Pulpstar said:
    Polar bears taking the whole white supremacy too literally?
    Gonna go out on a limb and say the polar bear population in Alabama isn't quite large enough to swing the result ;)
    Alabama, Alaska, it's all the same.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    edited November 2016

    It's just as well that vegans don't tend to be militarist. The Indian mutiny was sparked by very similar concerns to those expressed about the new £5 note:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#The_Enfield_Rifle

    Its rather curious that only British banknotes appear to be affected - out of the many countries that use film......either cock up at the British end, or lots & lots of central banks are praying that their vegans don't notice......

    After its been used a couple of times, minute traces of tallow would be the least of my concerns......

    Edit - and good for you, Mr Meeks - calling the First War of Indian Independence by its Colonial Oppressor name!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Its rather curious that only British banknotes appear to be affected - out of the many countries that use film......either cock up at the British end, or lots & lots of central banks are praying that their vegans don't notice......

    English.

    Scottish plastic notes not affected
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,721

    Looks like Brexit killed Scottish nationalism stone dead.

    You need some serious counting lessons
  • philiph said:

    Some interesting facts and figures. IMHO we will start to see major drop in minimum wage jobs in the 5-10 year timeframe.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/24699-mcdonald-s-response-to-15-minimum-wage-automation-in-every-store

    No we won't.
    The minimum or living wage acts like a magnet that will attract more and more jobs to be paid at the lowest (or close to the lowest) legal rate. It sets a floor that will become the norm for many jobs that are currently paid well over the minimum.
    Not if immigration is radically curbed for those jobs. If the supply side drops then firms will have to pay more. In a given year circa 1/4 to 1/3 of new job entrants are migrants, most at the minimum wage level. For example if the rules for non-EU workers applied to EU workers then >80% of EU workers would not be eleigible to work here.
    PS I favour a work permit system rather than quotas.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,721
    FF43 said:

    Scottish politics are still almost totally driven by the independence question. Greens are seen as a pro-independence alternative to the SNP. Support for the SNP plus Greens is 85%+ correlated to whether you think Scotland should be independent. If you do, you vote for one of those parties; if you don't, you vote Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem.

    My interpretation of the poll is that people are getting unenamored with the SNP performance in government and they also think independence is off the agenda for the time being. If it comes back on, that should bolster the SNP as they are seen as more serious in getting independence than the Greens, which are a (mild) protest vote in reality.

    Better working on mince rather than real life.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,721
    Alistair said:

    Looks like Brexit killed Scottish nationalism stone dead.

    I think the Scots have easily worked out which 'Union' is more important - the SNP really have stuffed it.......

    And whether or not you would support it, if Scotland is still part of the UK do you think it would be relalistically possible for Scotland to remain part of the EU after the rest of the UK leaves?

    Possible: 22
    Not Possible: 62

    By positing it as 'the Uk or the EU' the SNP have focussed people's minds......not to their advantage....
    Erm, have you misunderstood the question? This is asking about Scotland having special status after Brexit of being both part of the UK and in the EU.
    Carlotta will use any lie to denigrate SNP and Scotland. I would love to know what she was chucked out for to make her so bitter and twisted.
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