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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Are we sure this isn't a Turing test gone wrong ?


    If you can't be sure, then surely it's a Turing test gone right.

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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748

    Are we sure this isn't a Turing test gone wrong ?


    If you can't be sure, then surely it's a Turing test gone right.

    Only a true mechanical mind can question the Turing test.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    welshowl said:

    . This drivel makes the Ed Stone look like Saatchi and Saatchi at their laser focussed best.

    .

    Had the pleasure of talking to someone who had never seen or heard of the Edstone the other day, and it brought back many a nostalgic feeling at what was, I believe, the primary amusing moment of the GE campaign. As disappointing as the result will have been for them, I'd hope even Labour supporters could find the comedy in that chunk of stone, it's vacuous slogans, the deadeyed witnesses in the pictures, inane plan to put it in downing street, and even its aftermath of not being properly declared as expenditure. Good times, back when politics was fun.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606

    MaxPB said:

    Just as Jez rambles about technology, the GSMA have chosen Shanghai as their next destination for MWC:

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161122005072/en/GSMA-Launches-Mobile-World-Congress-Shanghai-2017

    Barcelona will still go ahead, but I get the feeling its days are numbered, it's at the wrong time of year for Samsung, HTC, Sony and all of the Chinese brands, smartphone sales are still booming in Asia while they have plateaued in Europe and we don't really have a Europe based smartphone manufacturer now that Sony Ericsson and Nokia no longer exist (they used to hold 60% market share between them at one point).

    They are doing one in San Francisco too, in September.

    We tried to get a deal done with the Spanish government and the Barcelona MWC people. They were not exactly entrepreneurial or far-sighted - we had so many painful meetings before just giving up. I am not surprised GSMA are sniffing around elsewhere, though I think they are contracted to Barcelona for a few more years.

    All the European companies are now licensors to the manufacturers. You should watch out for this Ericsson spin-out:

    http://avanci.com/

    I think the GSMA are contracted to 2020, I personally don't think they will renew with Barcelona and hold a much smaller event London or Berlin with a concentration on connected devices, home automation and automotive advancement, both cities where there are thousands of companies involved rather than Barcelona which doesn't have anywhere near the same industries.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,610
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    Holy cow, when someone posted the text from the second picture yesterday I thought they were taking the mick. It's pure gibberish and he actually said it.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited November 2016
    Hilarious!

    Jeremy Corbyn must have been sent to this earth by God in order to make Ed Miliband look not too bad.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,200
    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Good Evening.

    Those two brief statements from Corbyn, that leads this thread, proves what an empty ignoramus he really is.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748
    MikeK said:

    Good Evening.

    Those two brief statements from Corbyn, that leads this thread, proves what an empty ignoramus he really is.

    Completely full ignoramus.
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    GeoffM said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I've just realised that 'cyber physical systems' might mean teledildonics.

    If you don't want to sleep, imagine Corbyn, Abbott and teledildonics. ;)

    Word of the day.
    So the Internet of Things means that you can pre-shag the missus while still on the train? Bona!
    It also means that her dildo is transmitting usage patterns back to its manufacturer for them to build up a marketing database - including ambient temperature and intensity settings.

    This already happens. Nice.
    Bit much?
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    I'm glad my wood burner won't be joining the internet of things any time soon.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    DavidL said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I am reminded of Brown in one of the 2010 town halls when in between berating an obviouly Labour leaning anesthesiologist about how she was "quite wrong" he started to rant about "digital manufacturing". I remember hoping that someone would ask him "what is digital manufacturing"?

    Obvious. Making things with digits.
    More precisely, using your fingers to make shit.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,094
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,610

    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    edited November 2016
    ydoethur said:
    Don’t say: “Wait, there was a third industrial revolution?”

    Hee

    So this is something the electorate is worried about? Oh, totally. Much more so than Brexit, or the NHS, or affordable living, or the snoopers’ charter, or Labour providing any sort of meaningfully relevant opposition to the government at a time when we need it most

    Double hee.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,868

    GeoffM said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I've just realised that 'cyber physical systems' might mean teledildonics.

    If you don't want to sleep, imagine Corbyn, Abbott and teledildonics. ;)

    Word of the day.
    So the Internet of Things means that you can pre-shag the missus while still on the train? Bona!
    It also means that her dildo is transmitting usage patterns back to its manufacturer for them to build up a marketing database - including ambient temperature and intensity settings.

    This already happens. Nice.
    Bit much?
    Yes, it probably tells them that as well ...
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,868
    viewcode said:

    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!
    I guess if you timed it right you'd give the National Grid guys palpitations and probably get brown- or black-outs. RCS might know more.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I'm glad my wood burner won't be joining the internet of things any time soon.

    Snob
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    GeoffM said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I've just realised that 'cyber physical systems' might mean teledildonics.

    If you don't want to sleep, imagine Corbyn, Abbott and teledildonics. ;)

    Word of the day.
    So the Internet of Things means that you can pre-shag the missus while still on the train? Bona!
    It also means that her dildo is transmitting usage patterns back to its manufacturer for them to build up a marketing database - including ambient temperature and intensity settings.

    This already happens. Nice.
    Bit much?
    Yes, it probably tells them that as well ...
    Lol!
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just as Jez rambles about technology, the GSMA have chosen Shanghai as their next destination for MWC:

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161122005072/en/GSMA-Launches-Mobile-World-Congress-Shanghai-2017

    Barcelona will still go ahead, but I get the feeling its days are numbered, it's at the wrong time of year for Samsung, HTC, Sony and all of the Chinese brands, smartphone sales are still booming in Asia while they have plateaued in Europe and we don't really have a Europe based smartphone manufacturer now that Sony Ericsson and Nokia no longer exist (they used to hold 60% market share between them at one point).

    They are doing one in San Francisco too, in September.

    We tried to get a deal done with the Spanish government and the Barcelona MWC people. They were not exactly entrepreneurial or far-sighted - we had so many painful meetings before just giving up. I am not surprised GSMA are sniffing around elsewhere, though I think they are contracted to Barcelona for a few more years.

    All the European companies are now licensors to the manufacturers. You should watch out for this Ericsson spin-out:

    http://avanci.com/

    I think the GSMA are contracted to 2020, I personally don't think they will renew with Barcelona and hold a much smaller event London or Berlin with a concentration on connected devices, home automation and automotive advancement, both cities where there are thousands of companies involved rather than Barcelona which doesn't have anywhere near the same industries.

    Yep - we were trying to pitch them to create a high-tech hub around Barcelona to create a larger local base, but the whole Catalonia/Spain thing got in the way along with the fact so many MWC people there are functionaries. We kept having the same meetings with different people, so just gave up. It's a shame because we had some really good buy-in from various companies in Europe, the US and Asia. Never mind - it was good to hang out in Barcelona and Madrid a few times!

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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 703
    PLEASE let Corbyn still be there throughout the next General Election campaign...
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    viewcode said:

    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!
    I have a little device that (I think) does that (creates a very small EMP) to keep rodents away.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2016
    And think we used to take the piss out of Ed for his nonsense about predators, predistribution and judge led inquiries, but this is another level of prat-iery.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    viewcode said:

    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!
    For hotter tea you need higher atmospheric pressure. (I think)
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    And think we used to take the piss out of Ed for his nonsense about predators, predistribution and judge led inquiries.

    Ah predistribution, haven't heard that for a while, but it was a good one that.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Opening myself to psychoanalysis or possible incarceration in an oubliette, I ask: why do those Corbyn statements, if statements they be, remind me of Prince Charles?
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    Another thing, New Britain is an island in Papua New Guinea.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,610
    I've looked at the Wikipedia entry for Cyber-physical systems and basically it's just a tarted-up, more highly integrated Internet of Things.

    So a) we have a Wikipedia article giving a proprietorial definition of something for which there is a general article (the Internet of Things), and b) a leader of the opposition willing to parrot stuff he doesn't understand.

    I don't know which is worse... :(
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,200
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!
    I have a little device that (I think) does that (creates a very small EMP) to keep rodents away.
    The trick to the nasty stuff is feedback - observe the result of your action and reinforce it. effectively you target the resonant frequency of a system and tune your attack to find the optimum feedback loop.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    Toms said:

    Opening myself to psychoanalysis or possible incarceration in an oubliette, I ask: why do those Corbyn statements, if statements they be, remind me of Prince Charles?

    Errr, something to do with a dim bulb pretending to be smarter than he is by regurgitating the technobabble that was used by the last person he spoke to?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Industry 4.0 is big in Europe, particularly in Germany. In France, they get 140% capital allowance for every €1 spent as investment.

    There was an exhibition at the NEC 2 weeks ago on smart factories but the awareness is very little in Britain. Maybe because our manufacturing is relatively backward.
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    DavidL said:

    God we haven't had a good old fashioned let's laugh at Jeremy Corbyn thread for ages. I've missed it. Politics has been way too serious of late.

    I think a Gordon Brown is shite thread is overdue......although jezza is prompting a reappraisal there perhaps in relative terms
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    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960
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    DavidL said:

    God we haven't had a good old fashioned let's laugh at Jeremy Corbyn thread for ages. I've missed it. Politics has been way too serious of late.

    I think a Gordon Brown is shite thread is overdue......although jezza is prompting a reappraisal there perhaps in relative terms
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    What about starting a new series of re-launching Corbyn, just like they did with Brown? Or is this a re-launch of Corbyn? If yes then we need to start numbering them.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,610
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    A more fun version would be get control of enough kettles, ovens etc and then setup oscillations in the electrical supply infrastructure, by using on/off to create and then increase instability.

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!
    For hotter tea you need higher atmospheric pressure. (I think)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_gas_law

    If you increase the pressure and keep the volume constant, then you can make things boil at hotter temperatures. So *really* hot tea...
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    Do any of these clever things stop squirrels eating our tulip bulbs?
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    Toms said:

    Opening myself to psychoanalysis or possible incarceration in an oubliette, I ask: why do those Corbyn statements, if statements they be, remind me of Prince Charles?

    Charles talks to plants and Corbyn talks to manufacturing plants?
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    glw said:

    Toms said:

    Opening myself to psychoanalysis or possible incarceration in an oubliette, I ask: why do those Corbyn statements, if statements they be, remind me of Prince Charles?

    Errr, something to do with a dim bulb pretending to be smarter than he is by regurgitating the technobabble that was used by the last person he spoke to?
    Strike off the question mark I think.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,200
    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    I'm not sure you flatter yourself with this comparison Alastair...
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    NeilVW said:

    PLEASE let Corbyn still be there throughout the next General Election campaign...

    :smile:
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Laugh at Tottenham, laugh at those who deserve it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2016
    I somehow doubt Corbyn really understand the internet of things. Jam making perhaps, but I somehow doubt he is down with the IoT. I look forward to him being asked about it.
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    Hilarious!

    Jeremy Corbyn must have been sent to this earth by God in order to make Ed Miliband look not too bad.

    Having selected a worse Leader than the previous one starting with Gordon Brown. How does Labour find an even worse Leader than Corbyn? Diane Abbott?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-ryanair-aviation-michael-o-leary-a7431816.html

    Of the three Cabinet ministers responsible for Brexit — David Davis, Boris Johnson and Liam Fox — the Ryanair boss said: “If their IQ was one point lower they’d be plants”.
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    " EU funds equated to 21% of the CBI’s income after tax. "

    http://order-order.com/2016/11/22/cbi-paid-1-million-brussels/
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    viewcode said:

    Here's a thought: every time you cycle an electrical appliance (OK, switch it on and off) you create a very small EMP. What happens if you switch *all* the electrical appliances in the UK on and off very rapidly (tens of times a second). Do you fuse the houses, blow the substation transformers, melt the power stations? Or do you just get slightly hotter tea? I vote we put it to an experiment!

    Well. since they are AC, electrical appliances like lightbulbs and kettles are already switching on and off 100 times a second.

    If you suddenly add load (everyone turns on their kettle in the adverts) the grid slows down a bit unless they add more generating capacity and speed it up again

    It only has to average 50Hz over the day, not every instant.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Hilarious!

    Jeremy Corbyn must have been sent to this earth by God in order to make Ed Miliband look not too bad.

    Having selected a worse Leader than the previous one starting with Gordon Brown. How does Labour find an even worse Leader than Corbyn? Diane Abbott?
    John Smith was better than Tony Blair
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,094
    edited November 2016

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If they each lend O'Leary one IQ point, would they all four be plants together, or could they pool their intelligence to make an imbecile?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,610

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Good point, but who is going to bell the cat? The best the UK government can do is control the things in the UK, but who controls the ones outside the UK? Is there/will there be a Great Firewall of Britain?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I've just realised that 'cyber physical systems' might mean teledildonics.

    If you don't want to sleep, imagine Corbyn, Abbott and teledildonics. ;)

    Word of the day.
    So the Internet of Things means that you can pre-shag the missus while still on the train? Bona!
    It also means that her dildo is transmitting usage patterns back to its manufacturer for them to build up a marketing database - including ambient temperature and intensity settings.

    This already happens. Nice.
    Bit much?
    http://lawnewz.com/crazy/lawsuit-alleges-smart-vibrator-illegally-transmits-user-data-back-to-company-hq/
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,868

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I hope those Corbyn statements are not slogans.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited November 2016

    Hilarious!

    Jeremy Corbyn must have been sent to this earth by God in order to make Ed Miliband look not too bad.

    Having selected a worse Leader than the previous one starting with Gordon Brown. How does Labour find an even worse Leader than Corbyn? Diane Abbott?
    West Ham are a bit like that with centre forwards. You keep telling yourself that they can't find one who is worse, but they invariably do.
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    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If the EU thinks it will damage the UK, it may discover that two can play at that game. As many others have discovered to their cost when threatening these islands in the past.

    I have no doubt in my mind which one will come out the victor in the long term.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Michael O'Leary's Ryanair....Ratner's Airline.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
    I think we don't need the Internet of Things.

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,868
    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
    I think we don't need the Internet of Things.

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.
    I would agree, except ...

    ... there's money in the IoT. Someone's got to write the software and design the chips. ;)
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    Charles said:

    Hilarious!

    Jeremy Corbyn must have been sent to this earth by God in order to make Ed Miliband look not too bad.

    Having selected a worse Leader than the previous one starting with Gordon Brown. How does Labour find an even worse Leader than Corbyn? Diane Abbott?
    John Smith was better than Tony Blair
    Good point.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Speedy said:

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.

    World's first webcam...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Room_coffee_pot
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    ydoethur said:

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If they each lend O'Leary one IQ point, would they all four be plants together, or could they pool their intelligence to make an imbecile?
    Yeah, but they fucked you over good and proper. And David Cameron. And George Osborns. And Angela Merkel. And President Obama. Not bad for a bunch of eejits.
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    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
    I think we don't need the Internet of Things.

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.
    It's about cows, not cars. Farmers remotely monitoring their livestock and crops; supermarkets monitoring freezer temperatures and stock levels; doctors keeping a constant computerised eye on their patients' vital signs.
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    Corbyn's problem is shown on this thread. For the vast majority of the population, IoT and big data mean nothing so Corbyn sounds pretentious at best and a gibbering idiot at worst.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,868
    edited November 2016

    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
    I think we don't need the Internet of Things.

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.
    It's about cows, not cars. Farmers remotely monitoring their livestock and crops; supermarkets monitoring freezer temperatures and stock levels; doctors keeping a constant computerised eye on their patients' vital signs.
    I know a little about the latter of those: tracking patients' vital signs wherever they are in a hospital. The key thing is to make whatever attaches to the patient as cheap as possible.

    https://www.sensium-healthcare.com/sensiumvitals®
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Corbyn's problem is shown on this thread. For the vast majority of the population, IoT and big data mean nothing so Corbyn sounds pretentious at best and a gibbering idiot at worst.

    Both are clichés. Bandwagons that left years ago.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,200
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Good point, but who is going to bell the cat? The best the UK government can do is control the things in the UK, but who controls the ones outside the UK? Is there/will there be a Great Firewall of Britain?
    If you want to sell it here, it has to meet standard xyzy... It probably wouldn't be too hard to get other governments to sign up to such standards - once youve got a majority of First world countries signed up, it will be hard to find a manufacturer for a lower standard
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited November 2016

    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
    I think we don't need the Internet of Things.

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.
    It's about cows, not cars. Farmers remotely monitoring their livestock and crops; supermarkets monitoring freezer temperatures and stock levels; doctors keeping a constant computerised eye on their patients' vital signs.
    Or, you turning your kettle on as you near home after having turned on the heating !!!
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Good point, but who is going to bell the cat? The best the UK government can do is control the things in the UK, but who controls the ones outside the UK? Is there/will there be a Great Firewall of Britain?
    If you want to sell it here, it has to meet standard xyzy... It probably wouldn't be too hard to get other governments to sign up to such standards - once youve got a majority of First world countries signed up, it will be hard to find a manufacturer for a lower standard
    Maybe, but even so, it won't be beyond the wit of manufacturers to embed a back-door/get-round like in the motor emissions case.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,868

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Good point, but who is going to bell the cat? The best the UK government can do is control the things in the UK, but who controls the ones outside the UK? Is there/will there be a Great Firewall of Britain?
    If you want to sell it here, it has to meet standard xyzy... It probably wouldn't be too hard to get other governments to sign up to such standards - once youve got a majority of First world countries signed up, it will be hard to find a manufacturer for a lower standard
    Hmmm. I fear that won't be the case. Even now, what manufacturers *say* they do, and what they *really* do, are often very different. You'd have to check all devices, whenever there's an update.

    It's a nightmare.

    (For those who don't know, I spent years working in consumer electronics, often working with small-name box-shifters)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,094

    ydoethur said:

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If they each lend O'Leary one IQ point, would they all four be plants together, or could they pool their intelligence to make an imbecile?
    Yeah, but they fucked you over good and proper. And David Cameron. And George Osborns. And Angela Merkel. And President Obama. Not bad for a bunch of eejits.
    Leedsprinter, have you ever come across the concept of 'sarcasm'? It is what I was using. The not so subtle implication was that the chief of Ryanair was not perhaps in the best position to accuse others of having a low IQ.
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    hoorar for Thursday football.... perhaps
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    Scott_P said:

    Speedy said:

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.

    World's first webcam...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Room_coffee_pot
    Delightful
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Maggie Haberman Verified account
    @maggieNYT

    Trump on his businesses/conflict q's: "The law's totally on my side, the president can't have a conflict of interest."
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    hoorar for Thursday football.... perhaps

    Thursday night football was great for us last season, but still in the last six years, you've still managed to go further in the Champions League than Arsenal.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2016

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Good point, but who is going to bell the cat? The best the UK government can do is control the things in the UK, but who controls the ones outside the UK? Is there/will there be a Great Firewall of Britain?
    If you want to sell it here, it has to meet standard xyzy... It probably wouldn't be too hard to get other governments to sign up to such standards - once youve got a majority of First world countries signed up, it will be hard to find a manufacturer for a lower standard
    Hmmm. I fear that won't be the case. Even now, what manufacturers *say* they do, and what they *really* do, are often very different. You'd have to check all devices, whenever there's an update.

    It's a nightmare.

    (For those who don't know, I spent years working in consumer electronics, often working with small-name box-shifters)
    You only have to look at the news from the past week of dodgy firmware that has been inserted into the Android phone market that sent back personal info for as yet unknown reasons by a number of Chinese firms.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    hoorar for Thursday football.... perhaps

    Dortmund vs Legia Warsaw

    7 goals in the first 30 minutes, ended 8-4.

    It makes me imagine how exciting football would be if there where no goalkeepers.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:
    Wow! Bamber Gascoigne is still alive!

    [checks the Dead Pool on a site I host]

    Yeah, someone has already bagged him. 81, apparently.
    A good pick by that reader-player as Bamber's obviously gone gaga. Sad.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016



    You only have to look at the news from the past week of dodgy firmware that has been inserted into the Android phone market that sent back personal info for as yet unknown reasons by a number of Chinese firms.

    Unknown reasons?

    "dodgy firmware"
    "personal info"
    "Chinese firms"

    This is easy, it's Y0kel's area.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Speedy said:

    I hope those Corbyn statements are not slogans.

    Memories of EdStone :)

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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    You only have to look at the news from the past week of dodgy firmware that has been inserted into the Android phone market that sent back personal info for as yet unknown reasons by a number of Chinese firms.

    You get counterfeit parts in the aerospace industry which is far more regulated than the IoT is ever likely to be. How we are going to control a market for cheap gadgets made in enormous numbers on the other side of the world and sold through all sorts of markets is beyond me.
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If they each lend O'Leary one IQ point, would they all four be plants together, or could they pool their intelligence to make an imbecile?
    Yeah, but they fucked you over good and proper. And David Cameron. And George Osborns. And Angela Merkel. And President Obama. Not bad for a bunch of eejits.
    Leedsprinter, have you ever come across the concept of 'sarcasm'? It is what I was using. The not so subtle implication was that the chief of Ryanair was not perhaps in the best position to accuse others of having a low IQ.
    Sorry old man, I was ineptly commenting on your comment, but was referring to Mr O'Leary. I'm not up to speed with the 4th Industrial revolution yet.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    My Clarol foot spa has been hacked and is performing a DoS attack on my Remmington fuzz away.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    perdix said:

    Speedy said:

    I hope those Corbyn statements are not slogans.

    Memories of EdStone :)

    You can't make them into slogans.
    I read them and the only thing I can think of is a grey mess.

    That it's also full of grey colour doesn't help.

    Corbyn should stick to rallies and give T-Shirts with nice one line slogans and his face on them.

    Trump wasn't an idiot when he gave away millions of Make America Great Again hats in his multiple rallies.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Speedy said:

    perdix said:

    Speedy said:

    I hope those Corbyn statements are not slogans.

    Memories of EdStone :)

    You can't make them into slogans.
    I read them and the only thing I can think of is a grey mess.

    That it's also full of grey colour doesn't help.

    Corbyn should stick to rallies and give T-Shirts with nice one line slogans and his face on them.

    Trump wasn't an idiot when he gave away millions of Make America Great Again hats in his multiple rallies.
    Che was the original expert at that.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    glw said:

    You only have to look at the news from the past week of dodgy firmware that has been inserted into the Android phone market that sent back personal info for as yet unknown reasons by a number of Chinese firms.

    You get counterfeit parts in the aerospace industry which is far more regulated than the IoT is ever likely to be. How we are going to control a market for cheap gadgets made in enormous numbers on the other side of the world and sold through all sorts of markets is beyond me.
    I'm quite interested in the possibilities of games that subtly train the players into mind-sets that they wouldn't otherwise adopt. Seems to me there is genuine scope for brain washing stuff on a large scale.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited November 2016
    I presume by ministers they mean Liam Fox. Edit: looks like David Davis.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/801181610108403714
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,200

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    Lol, O'Leary has style.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited November 2016
    surbiton said:

    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Oh, it can be done. It's trivial in theory, but hard in practice. It needs to be idiot-proof and invisible to the end-user. And there needs to be a way of updating them to fix security holes.

    This all costs money. Guess what your box-shifter cares about? Money, not security.
    I think we don't need the Internet of Things.

    The internet is mostly about communication and entertainment, not controlling kettles.
    It's about cows, not cars. Farmers remotely monitoring their livestock and crops; supermarkets monitoring freezer temperatures and stock levels; doctors keeping a constant computerised eye on their patients' vital signs.
    Or, you turning your kettle on as you near home after having turned on the heating !!!
    Not sure why I wrote cars actually -- since cars are another big area, with insurers wanting to monitor your driving (and that of your 17-year-old daughter when she borrows the car) and fleet operators wanting to watch just about everything.
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    MP_SE said:

    I presume by ministers they mean Liam Fox.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/801181610108403714

    David Davis
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Speedy said:

    hoorar for Thursday football.... perhaps

    Dortmund vs Legia Warsaw

    7 goals in the first 30 minutes, ended 8-4.

    It makes me imagine how exciting football would be if there where no goalkeepers.
    There should be no goalkeepers, but each team ought to have a scythe-wheeled chariot which can be used to mow down the opposition's players.

    5 bonus goals awarded for killing or incapacitating all opposition players before full-time. Another 10 for knocking out your opponent's chariot.

    Could also chain up half-starved predatory beasts in the corners, for that added frisson of excitement.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,200
    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:
    Wow! Bamber Gascoigne is still alive!

    [checks the Dead Pool on a site I host]

    Yeah, someone has already bagged him. 81, apparently.
    A good pick by that reader-player as Bamber's obviously gone gaga. Sad.
    I don't know Geoff, he appears to have plenty of critical faculty on a reading of that letter.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,200

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If the EU thinks it will damage the UK, it may discover that two can play at that game. As many others have discovered to their cost when threatening these islands in the past.

    I have no doubt in my mind which one will come out the victor in the long term.
    Still delusional Casino? I'm afraid a pair of twos will never beat a full house, no matter how hard you bluff it.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,200
    ydoethur said:

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    If they each lend O'Leary one IQ point, would they all four be plants together, or could they pool their intelligence to make an imbecile?
    And I thought you lot lionised fabulously successful businessmen and entrepreneurs? I guess not when they're calling you on the weakness of your position as you hang half way down the cliff.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,200
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Am I the only one who thinks The Internet of Things sounds like a term created for the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?

    It's a real thing. If you attach the right chips to everything (toasters, cows, your mother) and allow those chips to talk to each other, then you have a great deal of control (or more realistically you have enormous data). Real-life applications include:

    * You can now switch your heating/boiler on/off remotely with your phone
    * Your car can send out a large amount of data, enabling you to reduce your insurance
    * The inventor of Candy Crush receives an enormous amount of data per second from all the people worldwide



    So the style of cyber warfare in the next severe winter will be everyone's heating systems being turned off, leaving the population to freeze?

    Anything you can do like that, someone else can hack & destroy.

    (edited to add: good evening, everyone)
    Unsarcastically: yes. Which is why I posted a link to the Dyn article: it's already here, it's already a problem, and I don't know what the solution is.
    On a serious note - the way to deal with internet-of-things hacking is to mandate security - on the basis that providing zillions of hosts for DDoS is affecting society as a whole.

    It is pretty trivial to create such systems with built in 1024bit crypto to secure and sign all the communications between the "things", and have any external web interface properly hardened. And turned off by default.
    Good point, but who is going to bell the cat? The best the UK government can do is control the things in the UK, but who controls the ones outside the UK? Is there/will there be a Great Firewall of Britain?
    If you want to sell it here, it has to meet standard xyzy... It probably wouldn't be too hard to get other governments to sign up to such standards - once youve got a majority of First world countries signed up, it will be hard to find a manufacturer for a lower standard
    Maybe, but even so, it won't be beyond the wit of manufacturers to embed a back-door/get-round like in the motor emissions case.
    For malicious stuff, yes.

    Building actual security into these systems - the cost of implementing it is so cheap that it would probably be more expensive to cheat...
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,788
    edited November 2016

    Someone else has identified WTW Leavers:

    https://twitter.com/clougholive/status/801074776357928960

    Well he's worrying about his business and the financial implications of Brexit for him and his company.

    Remember EVERYONE has a agenda.

    Oh and he's also a climate change "denier" it seems...
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    hoorar for Thursday football.... perhaps

    Thursday night football was great for us last season, but still in the last six years, you've still managed to go further in the Champions League than Arsenal.
    I love that fact But that was a shocker of a campaign. Really looking forward to my third trip to Wembley now vs cska!!!
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