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  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,755
    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387

    On Topic

    Could have sworn there were 2 Parliamentary By Elections

    T'Batley an' Spen by election was as exciting as T'Haltemprice and Howden by election of 2008
    Anyone know the last time all the candidates except the winner lost their deposit in a parliamentary election?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    Have there been any polls on who won the charity dinner last night?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    On Topic

    Could have sworn there were 2 Parliamentary By Elections

    T'Batley an' Spen by election was as exciting as T'Haltemprice and Howden by election of 2008
    No trouble at t'mill in either
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Sandpit said:

    Staying well away from ECV spreads personally. There's a tipping point where a couple of percent in vote share runs half a dozen states one way or the other very quickly.

    Indeed, you have to be well aware of the risks.

    However, in this case the risk looks asymmetric to me at SPIN's Buy price of 329. If (as seems likely) Clinton wins FL NV NC and NE2, she's up to 323. If that's as far as she gets, you've lost 6 points. On the other hand, if things go a bit better for her, then next on her list is OH which takes you up to 341 straight away, and therefore a 12-point profit, with ME2 (1) IA (6) and AZ (11) all potentially within reach.

    In other words, I think the most likely final values are 323, 341, 347, and 358 (plus or minus one or two for NE2 and ME2 where the polling information is scant).

    As always, DYOR, you can lose your shirt on the spreads, etc etc.
    Isn't it better to sell Donald Trump than buy Hillary Clinton, given the distinct possibility that Utah might go to the outsider?

    Anyway, I'm happy enough selling Donald Trump right now.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited October 2016
    Vote shares and changes for all local council by elections in October

    Con 24.2% minus 4.7%
    Lab 28.4% minus 1.1%
    LDem 18.6% plus 8.2%
    UKIP 6.2% minus 3.7%
    Green 4.8% minus 1.2%
    Nats 7.1% plus 3.1%
    Others 10.6% minus 0.7%
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    On Topic

    Could have sworn there were 2 Parliamentary By Elections

    T'Batley an' Spen by election was as exciting as T'Haltemprice and Howden by election of 2008
    Anyone know the last time all the candidates except the winner lost their deposit in a parliamentary election?
    Sounds exciting result for proper political anoraks.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2016

    Isn't it better to sell Donald Trump than buy Hillary Clinton, given the distinct possibility that Utah might go to the outsider?

    Anyway, I'm happy enough selling Donald Trump right now.

    Yes, you are right, although that means you wouldn't profit if Clinton comes through the middle in Utah.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Somewhere in Warwickshire is a road sign that says Shrewley and Mouse End, which I always liked. Near where I lived in Berkshire is Scratchface Lane, Tutts Clump.
  • Mr. Mark, could be wrong but I thought the Lib Dems had a surprisingly good tally of donations for the last set of figures.

    Of course, they've lost a lot of the tithing that happened from elected representatives.

    But gained from the more recent increase in membership fees.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Isn't it better to sell Donald Trump than buy Hillary Clinton, given the distinct possibility that Utah might go to the outsider?

    Anyway, I'm happy enough selling Donald Trump right now.

    Yes, you are right, although that means you wouldn't profit if Clinton comes through the middle in Utah.
    I think Trump is the one who comes through the middle now if any middle coming is going to happen (I.e. I've backed Hilary and McMullin so Trump is the one who fucks me up)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited October 2016

    An alternative low-risk strategy on the spreads is to Buy Clinton at 329 with SPIN and sell the Clinton 250- Ups with Spreadex at 91. That locks in a fixed 12-point profit provided Clinton gets anything from 250 upwards (which is very likely indeed), and doesn't hit a loss until she's as low as 238. That corresponds to her losing all of NC NV FL CO NH and PA.

    Sandpit said:

    Staying well away from ECV spreads personally. There's a tipping point where a couple of percent in vote share runs half a dozen states one way or the other very quickly.

    Indeed, you have to be well aware of the risks.

    However, in this case the risk looks asymmetric to me at SPIN's Buy price of 329. If (as seems likely) Clinton wins FL NV NC and NE2, she's up to 323. If that's as far as she gets, you've lost 6 points. On the other hand, if things go a bit better for her, then next on her list is OH which takes you up to 341 straight away, and therefore a 12-point profit, with ME2 (1) IA (6) and AZ (11) all potentially within reach.

    In other words, I think the most likely final values are 323, 341, 347, and 358 (plus or minus one or two for NE2 and ME2 where the polling information is scant).

    As always, DYOR, you can lose your shirt on the spreads, etc etc.
    Isn't it better to sell Donald Trump than buy Hillary Clinton, given the distinct possibility that Utah might go to the outsider?

    Anyway, I'm happy enough selling Donald Trump right now.
    I've sold Trump @ 209 and Clinton 250 ups @ 91 for the same stake.

    I think this combines both tips/suggestions...
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.
  • Pulpstar said:

    I've sold Trump @ 209 and Clinton 250 ups @ 91 for the same stake.

    I think this combines both tips/suggestions...

    Yep, a 12-point profit if Clinton gets at least 250, plus a 6-point bonus if McMullin wins Utah.
  • Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Somewhere in Warwickshire is a road sign that says Shrewley and Mouse End, which I always liked. Near where I lived in Berkshire is Scratchface Lane, Tutts Clump.
    Lower Piddle on the Marsh - Glocs

    Also see Shitterton and Pratts Bottom at:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188441/Shitterton-comes-list-Britains-worst-place-names-including-Pratts-Bottom-Crapstone-Slag-Lane--live-insist-lovely-place-live.html
  • Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.
    Inflation well below target.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944

    On Topic

    Could have sworn there were 2 Parliamentary By Elections

    T'Batley an' Spen by election was as exciting as T'Haltemprice and Howden by election of 2008
    Anyone know the last time all the candidates except the winner lost their deposit in a parliamentary election?
    Maybe a Speaker election?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited October 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    I've sold Trump @ 209 and Clinton 250 ups @ 91 for the same stake.

    I think this combines both tips/suggestions...

    Yep, a 12-point profit if Clinton gets at least 250, plus a 6-point bonus if McMullin wins Utah.
    If the bet loses, Trump comes in anyway.

    Was going to to up having done the sums but the Clinton Ups line has moved.

    Should net me £180 anyway.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917

    Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.
    Inflation well below target.
    With a record like that, triggering Article 50 looks like a needless gamble wouldn't you say?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Glenn, judging something long-term a failure three months after the decision and perhaps three months before negotiation starts is a bit like judging your newborn a failure after it vomits on the carpet.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,755

    Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.
    Inflation well below target.
    I'm old enough to remember a time when governments would have been delighted by 2.5% growth, 1% inflation, and 5% unemployment. In fact, had you suggested to politicians that such an outcome was possible, they'd have laughed you to scorn.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591
    edited October 2016

    On Topic

    Could have sworn there were 2 Parliamentary By Elections

    T'Batley an' Spen by election was as exciting as T'Haltemprice and Howden by election of 2008
    Anyone know the last time all the candidates except the winner lost their deposit in a parliamentary election?
    Good question. When was the last time everyone stood aside - Betty Boothroyd maybe?
  • Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    The UK's key economic problems are low productivity, huge balance of trade deficit and huge government budget deficit.

    Brexit should help reduce the balance of trade deficit with the lower pound and restrictions on the number of immigrant workers should improve productivity as measured by GDP per head.
  • The shame. THE SHAME!

    Brexit news: chocolate currency now stronger than the pound

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/10/19/brexit-news-chocolate-currency-now-stronger-pound/

    Brexiteers truly are the Quisling fifth columnists in the United Kingdom
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917

    Mr. Glenn, judging something long-term a failure three months after the decision and perhaps three months before negotiation starts is a bit like judging your newborn a failure after it vomits on the carpet.

    On the contrary, I was judging our EU membership a long-term success on the basis of a 40 year record. Brexit hasn't begun to happen yet.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591
    edited October 2016

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
    If we're allowed to go European does anywhere beat the small Austrian town of F***ing?
    They had a big problem a few years back with British tourists stealing all their f***ing road signs.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sean_F said:

    I'm old enough to remember a time when governments would have been delighted by 2.5% growth, 1% inflation, and 5% unemployment. In fact, had you suggested to politicians that such an outcome was possible, they'd have laughed you to scorn.

    Quite so.

    ...................................

    Thanks for you earlier reply.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,561

    On Topic

    Could have sworn there were 2 Parliamentary By Elections

    T'Batley an' Spen by election was as exciting as T'Haltemprice and Howden by election of 2008
    Anyone know the last time all the candidates except the winner lost their deposit in a parliamentary election?
    Maybe a Speaker election?
    Not in Bercow's era. Seem to recall UKIP and Greens did well against him.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Eagles, a Yorkshireman who's a member of the Lancashire County Cricket Club has no right to lecture others on fifth columnists.

    Mr. Glenn, and yet there was no positive case whatsoever made for the EU during the referendum campaign.

    When asked "What has the EU ever done for us?" the answer was "Er...".
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917
    Sandpit said:

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
    If we're allowed to go European does anywhere beat the small Austrian town of F***ing?
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
    I believe there are streets in England named after one of Donald Trump's pastimes that could compete.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917

    Mr. Glenn, and yet there was no positive case whatsoever made for the EU during the referendum campaign.

    When asked "What has the EU ever done for us?" the answer was "Er...".

    Yes, UK politicians are a dreadfully poor bunch aren't they? I wouldn't want the fate of my country to depend solely on their judgement.
  • Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.
    Inflation well below target.
    With a record like that, triggering Article 50 looks like a needless gamble wouldn't you say?
    Inflation is only closer to target and the balance of payments has a real chance of improvement because not in spite of the imminent invocation of A50.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Sandpit said:

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
    If we're allowed to go European does anywhere beat the small Austrian town of F***ing?
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
    Joke:
    Urban schoolchild goes on outing to see a farm. Gets home and his dad says "What did you see?" Schoolkid: "I saw some sheep, I saw some pigs, I saw some fuckers". "Fuckers, boy?" Yes dad, farmer called them 'eifers but I knew what he meant".
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Glenn, then rejoice, because most British politicians were on the side that lost.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Sandpit said:

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
    If we're allowed to go European does anywhere beat the small Austrian town of F***ing?
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
    I believe there are streets in England named after one of Donald Trump's pastimes that could compete.
    Gropechump Lane?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    eek said:

    Surprisingly light...
    Word was '5 years'.....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh dear, I wonder if one of his Brexiteer friends will break it to him gently...

    @DanielJHannan: Full WTO tariffs would cost British exporters £5.2 billion and EU exporters £12.9 billion. Which is why neither side will impose them.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,755
    Ishmael_X said:

    Sandpit said:

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
    If we're allowed to go European does anywhere beat the small Austrian town of F***ing?
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
    Joke:
    Urban schoolchild goes on outing to see a farm. Gets home and his dad says "What did you see?" Schoolkid: "I saw some sheep, I saw some pigs, I saw some fuckers". "Fuckers, boy?" Yes dad, farmer called them 'eifers but I knew what he meant".
    That's like Douglas Bader giving a speech at a girls' school about his wartime air battles, and telling the girls that "there were fuckers to the right and left of me." The red-faced teacher explained to the girls that a Fokker was a German aircraft, when Bader replied "I don't know about that, but these fuckers were Messerschmitts."
  • Scott_P said:

    Oh dear, I wonder if one of his Brexiteer friends will break it to him gently...

    @DanielJHannan: Full WTO tariffs would cost British exporters £5.2 billion and EU exporters £12.9 billion. Which is why neither side will impose them.

    Break what? He's right.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Listen very carefully, I shall post this only once:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-Ocueehfc

    And with that, I must be off.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    I remember seeing this address of a pub in a ragmag years ago:

    The Cockwell Inn
    Tillit
    Herts
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear, I wonder if one of his Brexiteer friends will break it to him gently...

    @DanielJHannan: Full WTO tariffs would cost British exporters £5.2 billion and EU exporters £12.9 billion. Which is why neither side will impose them.

    It's odd that someone who believes so fervently in the rationality of man is such an irrational man himself.
  • Sandpit said:

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    King of Langley, zero chance she'd go for it voluntarily, but there is a chance the Lords, courts, and Cleggian Brusselophiles might lead to us not leaving.

    Mr. Glenn, Tor Yscum is a wonderful Welsh hill fort.

    My friend's parents lived in a lovely place called Gay's Lees. It was universally known as Gay Sleaze.....
    A village nr me is called Blackboys. Another is Dicker. And Nomansland. And Worlds End.
    County Durham has a village called Pity Me, and Essex has Ugley.
    Pity Me isn't too far from No Place.
    Pity Me is actually from the French - Petit Mer.
    https://www.facebook.com/places/Things-to-do-in-Wank-Bayern-Germany/113855061960926/
    If we're allowed to go European does anywhere beat the small Austrian town of F***ing?
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
    I believe there are streets in England named after one of Donald Trump's pastimes that could compete.
    Many of the more descriptive Medieval street names were cleaned up in the Victorian era. There was once a famous Alley in the City called Grope Cxxt Alley. Many side streets with grope in the title became Grape Streets. The good old Angle Saxons liked to let you know what trade existed in each street.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    Sean_F said:

    Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.
    Inflation well below target.
    I'm old enough to remember a time when governments would have been delighted by 2.5% growth, 1% inflation, and 5% unemployment. In fact, had you suggested to politicians that such an outcome was possible, they'd have laughed you to scorn.
    I'm sure one of our Stats geeks can point out the frequent times we've enjoyed such a Goldilocks combination.....

    Meanwhile surely Brexit's lead locale should be 'Wideopen'? A small village north of Newcastle, on the Great North Road - pronounced as you might expect - tho one Southern posho who moved there thinking it was 'North Gosforth' insisted it was pronounced 'widdy-o-pen'.....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    edited October 2016
    So I've been thinking about it for a while, I think it is time to form a new political party. I'm going to call it the Free Liberal Party (FLP).

    The party stands for:

    Free speech
    Free trade
    Free market

    In order of importance.

    In practice that means:

    1. No more hate speech laws, no more safe spaces. Open discussion of any idea, however distasteful they might be.

    2. The nation will seek free trade with any party who is willing and generally have low import tariffs for nations who don't. The nation will also work within the WTO to eliminate NTBs on a sector by sector basis rather than seek an imposition of standards in the way that the US does.

    3. The nation will seek a free market solution to commerce and labour with a base income of £12.50/h. With that we will eliminate payroll taxes and lower corporation tax to 12.5% for small and medium business and 15% for big business. We will also eliminate all in working benefits and tax credits and out of work benefits will be made on a contributory basis with a minimum 12 months of work in the last 24 months required to qualify. Unemployment benefits will be paid for up to 12 months at a rate of 60% of previous gross income.

    4. We don't give a shit if you're gay, black, white or whatever. Everyone is welcome as long as they welcome everyone else.

    Anyone who wants to join is welcome to do so.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    nouveau fil
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    MaxPB said:

    So I've been thinking about it for a while, I think it is time to form a new political party. I'm going to call it the Free Liberal Party (FLP).

    The party stands for:

    Free speech
    Free trade
    Free market

    In order of importance.

    In practice that means:

    1. No more hate speech laws, no more safe spaces. Open discussion of any idea, however distasteful they might be.

    2. The nation will seek free trade with any party who is willing and generally have low import tariffs for nations who don't. The nation will also work within the WTO to eliminate NTBs on a sector by sector basis rather than seek an imposition of standards in the way that the US does.

    3. The nation will seek a free market solution to commerce and labour with a base income of £12.50/h. With that we will eliminate payroll taxes and lower corporation tax to 12.5% for small and medium business and 15% for big business. We will also eliminate all in working benefits and tax credits and out of work benefits will be made on a contributory basis with a minimum 12 months of work in the last 24 months required to qualify. Unemployment benefits will be paid for up to 12 months at a rate of 60% of previous gross income.

    4. We don't give a shit if you're gay, black, white or whatever. Everyone is welcome as long as they welcome everyone else.

    Anyone who wants to join is welcome to do so.

    When do you launch it :) ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917
    Sean_F said:

    Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.or a
    Inflation well below target.
    I'm old enough to remember a time when governments would have been delighted by 2.5% growth, 1% inflation, and 5% unemployment. In fact, had you suggested to politicians that such an outcome was possible, they'd have laughed you to scorn.
    Will people like you please make up your minds whether this is a period of uncommon prosperity for the country or a stagnant dystopia where ordinary people are engaged in a Sisyphean struggle to keep their heads above water while being pushed down by an unaccountable elite bureaucracy?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,721
    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    I think the surprising result is how well the Labour vote held up.

    Only for blind Tories Rob
    I thought the consensus view was that Labour was going to be squeezed by the LDs?
    LD's are dead in Scotland. Labour and Tories are the baldy men arguing over a comb.
    Want to bet on LD constituency seats in 2020?

    I reckon they will increase their number by at least 100%.

    Happy to have a small wager
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    HMS Term was an airfield near Twatt.
  • Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It has probably been said down stream but despite an absolutely massive effort and swamping Witney itself in the last week, LD's only knocked 2% out of the Labour vote. Even allowing for a strong local candidate that is disappointing and (cough) I did flag it up in the piece for PB a week or so ago.

    Left wing voters have still not forgiven LD's for the Coalition I suspect. There were tweets from locals saying that the LD's are a centre right party and not an alternative to Labour

    The irony is that on a policy by policy basis there was nowt but a gnat's testicle between the two candidates

    With the slump in turnout at Witney what we do not know is where the LDs gained 23%? Did they just do a better GOTV and get a higher turnout from existing LD voters and some gains from Cons, Greens and Lab? The LDs certainly poured more resources in than the other parties.
    About 10x the resources!

    But you know what? In the previous by-elections, they couldn't get their activists engaged. This time they did. That's a meaningful difference.
    Well, if they want to piss their scarce cash resources up a wall to no effect....
    More like the LD election spending is the equivalent of p***ing into their own clothes and they got a brief warm feeling from it?
    :D
    Given that there's been a membership surge following the General Election and the referendum, I don't think that the LD coffers are particularly bare at the moment. The big effort in Witney was driven by the fact that activists are really keen to get out and campaign against Brexit and May's rightwards shift.

    My experience from canvassing in Witney was that when you encountered Labour voters in majority Tory voting streets they were more likely than not to switch across. However, there were solid clumps of Labour support where there had clearly been enough activity from the Labour Party to dissuade the residents from believing that the Lib Dems were the main challengers. With a longer campaign I think these pockets of resistance could probably have been broken down.

    Opposing a hard Brexit is at least as effective a vote winning policy as opposing the Iraq war was in the noughties. It'll probably take a by election win before voters start to take notice and the national polls shift.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear, I wonder if one of his Brexiteer friends will break it to him gently...

    @DanielJHannan: Full WTO tariffs would cost British exporters £5.2 billion and EU exporters £12.9 billion. Which is why neither side will impose them.

    Tariff is paid by the importer.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Sean_F said:

    Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quintuple whammy.

    Greater borrowing.
    More unemployment.
    Weakened pound.
    Reduced investment.
    Rising prices.

    Borrowing below what Labour bequeathed and will do still.
    Employment rate at a record high.
    Weakened pound.
    Increased investment.
    Inflation well below target.
    I'm old enough to remember a time when governments would have been delighted by 2.5% growth, 1% inflation, and 5% unemployment. In fact, had you suggested to politicians that such an outcome was possible, they'd have laughed you to scorn.
    When are you going to get 2.5% growth in the next few years ?
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