".......... the fraud and racketeering case against Trump University"
Can you imagine a fraud and racketeering case against Cameron / Miliband / May / Corbyn University?
It is beyond absurdity to even contemplate such a thing.
Or even against Clinton. She would be finished if she did such a thing. But Trump was given a pass by the media during the primaries and now they attack him. They always build u up to knock you down.
He isn't even interesting. The second debate you just weren't quite sure what he was going to do. At point, I really thought he might throw his chair or something worse.
".......... the fraud and racketeering case against Trump University"
Can you imagine a fraud and racketeering case against Cameron / Miliband / May / Corbyn University?
It is beyond absurdity to even contemplate such a thing.
It is beyond absurdity that this Presidential race has come down to two candidates with so much political luggage between them! It is crazy. The Democrats chose the right candidate eight years ago, and after two terms of Office there not even a whiff of corruption or scandal surrounding Obama's term in Office. Right now, it looks like anyone but Trump or Clinton would have been a better choice by either the Republicans or the Democrats.
Trump says many refugees from Syria who have come to the US are ISIS and "wait until you see what happens" in the US in the next few years. Clinton seems to be dodging the question of whether she would shoot down a Russian plane that violates a US no-fly zone. Trump is probably going to say "Hell yeah, I'd shoot it down".
It does mean something : that Anglo-Saxon values of freedom and tolerance are what makes our countries great.
It's a quote from de Tocqueville.
Sure. But I doubt that most people will have read him.
de Tocqueville on America is very well known in America, at least for those with graduate level education. He is the father of American exceptionalism.
Trump was good * for the first 25 minutes then began to disintegrate. By the end it was shocking. The only thing most voters will read is his headline re not accepting the result. A disastrous performance. * Good meaning defending his base.
Trump was good * for the first 25 minutes then began to disintegrate. By the end it was shocking. The only thing most voters will read is his headline re not accepting the result. A disastrous performance. * Good meaning defending his base.
The headline is more akin to a banana republic then "the greatest democracy on earth". What a farce.
Clinton more presidential as ever. Bit more passion. A few zingers. A bit smug. Can't see she'll have changed any minds other than the " f**k I really do have to vote for her go stop him. F**k. " Crowd.
Trump was good * for the first 25 minutes then began to disintegrate. By the end it was shocking. The only thing most voters will read is his headline re not accepting the result. A disastrous performance. * Good meaning defending his base.
Summary: Clinton won, Trump lost. My suspicion from some of the new memes Clinton is that the DNC have several new buckets of **** to tip over Trump. She's replaying the strategy from debates 1 + 2 . Prime issues that are about to break then let him self destruct under scrutiny.
I'm not sure Clinton needs do anything more now. The possibility of not accepting the election result is the final nail in the Trump campaign's coffin. A lot of Americans take their (small "r") republicanism very seriously and Trump just repudiated that.
The extremely naughty part of me wondered if Trump's low energy performance was linked to his relative lack of sniffing this time. Pity there were no Foriegn Policy questions on Columbia.
In fact the biggest story of the night should be the sound bite Trump gave saying Roe vs Wade will be reversed if he is president. The fact we're all talking about his refusal to accept the result shows how shocking his formulation was.
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Sudeep Reddy @Reddy The world’s highly skilled immigrants are increasingly living in just four nations: U.S., U.K., Canada and Australia http://on.wsj.com/2eekdRI
It does mean something : that Anglo-Saxon values of freedom and tolerance are what makes our countries great.
It's a quote from de Tocqueville.
Sure. But I doubt that most people will have read him.
de Tocqueville on America is very well known in America, at least for those with graduate level education. He is the father of American exceptionalism.
I know. I had to read the damn book at school
But I doubt that many of the voters will get the reference
Who won *each* debate? Per CNN insta-polls Debate 1: Clinton 62 - Trump 27 Debate 2: Clinton 57 - Trump 34 Debate 3: Clinton 52 - Trump 39
He just needs half a dozen more debates - and an election in January and he'll be on course to win.
Silly man. If he'd have listened to advice and pivoted after the RNC (and run a conventional campaign with proper debate prep etc) he may well have won.
68% of debate watchers said Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump should "pledge to accept the result of the election", including 51% of Republican viewers. 14% oppose a pledge and 18% don't know.
It is my imagination or was HRC showing a bit more leg to her left flank, some of her pitch sounded rather like "open borders" and "abortion on demand" which suggests making more of an attempt to reconcile with the Bernie voters, she must feel confident enough that her talk is not going to glue the evangelicals back onto Trump.
Gonna be fun to see all those here majoring on the "sore loser" Trump meme who, er, are sore losers over Brexit....
I don't think Trump is remotely fit to be president, but the one small redeeming feature it would have would be the absolute meltdown and enraged incomprehension of the metropolitan liberals which would provide schadenfreude flavoured popcorn for the next four years at least
So the polling shows she won all three debates. But it's not losing the Debates that's damaged Trump. It's losing the subsequent weeks as he imposes over crazy stuff he said which he keeps saying. It's meant to be a referendum on her as the de facto incumbent. He keeps willingly making it a referendum on himself. He's done it again with the bizzare " suspense " comments. We'll have to see if her baiting of him on Putin links and using illegal immigrant labour he subsequently threatened follows the pattern. That the DNC has a load of **** to dump on him in those topics and he'll take the bait.
What kind of candidate, a few months ahead of elections, takes it on himself to offend a list of people that includes judges and lawyers, immigrants and Muslims, footballers and intellectuals, political allies as well as enemies, the intelligence community and his ex-girlfriend too?
What kind of candidate, a few months ahead of elections, takes it on himself to offend a list of people that includes judges and lawyers, immigrants and Muslims, footballers and intellectuals, political allies as well as enemies, the intelligence community and his ex-girlfriend too?
Is there a flip side for him electorally speaking ? Often when you insult one group, you curry favour with another, and most of those groups either are tiny, or don't get to vote.
He's done it again with the bizzare " suspense " comments. We'll have to see if her baiting of him on Putin links and using illegal immigrant labour he subsequently threatened follows the pattern. That the DNC has a load of **** to dump on him in those topics and he'll take the bait.
Exactly.
And some very smart politics from the dems.
I think the fundamental problem is Trump is unvetted - and was never prepared to allow his own side to vet him.
Paul Ryan could have stopped the trump sh*tshow this time last year by demanding public tax disclosure from all GOP candidates.
Trump may or may not have gone for an independent run - in any case it would have been way less damaging to the GOP than what we're seeing now.
Unlike the first two I saw this debate live. Thoughts :
Trump - Started fine but again couldn't hold it together for 90 minutes. He didn't appeal outside his base. The refusal to accept the election result will hurt him and be the talking point in coming days.
Clinton - Solid if uninspiring performance. A few good zingers. No significant errors. She did what she needed to do.
Overall - Trump lost his last big chance. Clinton coasts to the win
What kind of candidate, a few months ahead of elections, takes it on himself to offend a list of people that includes judges and lawyers, immigrants and Muslims, footballers and intellectuals, political allies as well as enemies, the intelligence community and his ex-girlfriend too?
Is there a flip side for him electorally speaking ? Often when you insult one group, you curry favour with another, and most of those groups either are tiny, or don't get to vote.
Doesn't appear to be the mood in his party:
"Imagine burying your grandmother when she is still alive; that's roughly the ambience at party HQ," said another.
Unlike the first two I saw this debate live. Thoughts :
Trump - Started fine but again couldn't hold it together for 90 minutes. He didn't appeal outside his base. The refusal to accept the election result will hurt him and be the talking point in coming days.
Clinton - Solid if uninspiring performance. A few good zingers. No significant errors. She did what she needed to do.
Overall - Trump lost his last big chance. Clinton coasts to the win
Sounds like the first two debates which I did see live - Trump starts off ok, but just cant keep it up - decades of being 'top dog' in business does not remotely prepare you for politics.....
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That doesn't mean anything...
Can you imagine a fraud and racketeering case against Cameron / Miliband / May / Corbyn University?
It is beyond absurdity to even contemplate such a thing.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/788923410353008640
Only worth backing if you can get long odds.
How can that gain votes? It just opens him to ridicule.
Unchanged from pre debate.
This in comparison is a snoozefest.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us/politics/gary-johnson-aleppo.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/img/pix/calypso070801_100x301.jpg
I've laid trump @ 5.9
The trump-won't-accept-the-election-result will be the headline.
This was trump's last chance to change the narrative and he hasn't done it.
Book;
Clinton +27.8
Trump +-0
Pence +72
Kaine +50
Michelle +-0
Others +220
Clinton 1.215...=...=...1.225...=...=...=
Trump 6.1...=...5.95...5.7...5.85...5.75...5.95
Pence 440...465...470...550...550...565...515
McMullin 630...390...=...430...525...525...450
Kaine 925...950...=...960...925...965...=
neither Clinton nor Trump 76.8...=...112.5...121.4...78.5...102.5...64.1
Clinton 1.21
Trump 6
Clinton 1.19
Trump 6.2
The definition of a sore loser.
Republican Secretaries of State so crafty: rigged the primaries for Trump so they could rig the general for Clinton
The world’s highly skilled immigrants are increasingly living in just four nations: U.S., U.K., Canada and Australia http://on.wsj.com/2eekdRI
Clinton 52
Trump 39
But I doubt that many of the voters will get the reference
YouGovUS – Verified account @YouGovUS
POST-DEBATE POLL: Who won?
Hillary Clinton: 49%
Donald Trump: 39%
More: http://y-g.co/2e89yrn
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Who won *each* debate? Per CNN insta-polls Debate 1: Clinton 62 - Trump 27 Debate 2: Clinton 57 - Trump 34 Debate 3: Clinton 52 - Trump 39
He just needs half a dozen more debates - and an election in January and he'll be on course to win.
Silly man. If he'd have listened to advice and pivoted after the RNC (and run a conventional campaign with proper debate prep etc) he may well have won.
Clinton 59
Trump 35
"Once alone, the animal briefly explored the area next door to his den, where he opened and drank five litres of undiluted blackcurrant squash"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37710435
What kind of candidate, a few months ahead of elections, takes it on himself to offend a list of people that includes judges and lawyers, immigrants and Muslims, footballers and intellectuals, political allies as well as enemies, the intelligence community and his ex-girlfriend too?
The answer is Francois Hollande.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37702917
And some very smart politics from the dems.
I think the fundamental problem is Trump is unvetted - and was never prepared to allow his own side to vet him.
Paul Ryan could have stopped the trump sh*tshow this time last year by demanding public tax disclosure from all GOP candidates.
Trump may or may not have gone for an independent run - in any case it would have been way less damaging to the GOP than what we're seeing now.
Trump - Started fine but again couldn't hold it together for 90 minutes. He didn't appeal outside his base. The refusal to accept the election result will hurt him and be the talking point in coming days.
Clinton - Solid if uninspiring performance. A few good zingers. No significant errors. She did what she needed to do.
Overall - Trump lost his last big chance. Clinton coasts to the win
"Imagine burying your grandmother when she is still alive; that's roughly the ambience at party HQ," said another.
New Hampshire - WMUR - Sample 755 - 11-17 Oct
Clinton 49 .. Trump 34
https://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/research_publications/gsp2016_fall_preselec101916.pdf
Wisconsin - PPP - Sample 804 - 18-19 Oct
Clinton 50 .. Trump 38
http://endcitizensunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ECU-WI-poll-Oct19.pdf
Ohio - Uni of Akron - Sample 1,004 - 23 Sep - 13 Oct
Clinton 41 .. Trump 38
http://endcitizensunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ECU-WI-poll-Oct19.pdf
North Carolina - Civitas - Sample 600 - 14-17 Oct
Clinton 45 .. Trump 43
https://www.nccivitas.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CivitasOctoberPoll_release.pdf