Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
There is overwhelming support for plain cigarette packaging
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
Smokers are national benefactors.
They contribute more than their fair share in taxes and die earlier saving on pension costs.
martyrs to the nation's finances and they get no thanks for it.
I know. I felt so guilty when I gave up smoking.
you do realise the extra five years life you get will be sat in incontinence pants saying gaga ( or writing Labour's manifesto -same thing ) ?
I don't understand today's decision. It seemed like the next logical step to decrease smoking among young people and teenagers. It also has pretty wide cross party support. #makesnosense
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
Smokers are national benefactors.
They contribute more than their fair share in taxes and die earlier saving on pension costs.
martyrs to the nation's finances and they get no thanks for it.
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
Smokers are national benefactors.
They contribute more than their fair share in taxes and die earlier saving on pension costs.
martyrs to the nation's finances and they get no thanks for it.
I know. I felt so guilty when I gave up smoking.
you do realise the extra five years life you get will be sat in incontinence pants saying gaga ( or writing Labour's manifesto -same thing ) ?
Lol.
Well I could start smoking again then stop in less austere times.
Giving up smoking is easy. I've done it loads of times.
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
The thing which puzzles me about the fag packet issue is why it's not an EU-wide decision. This strikes me as one of those rare cases where it would make sense to decide at EU level, as it's a regulation affecting the single market and also has big implications for cross-border trade (and of course for smuggling as well).
I didn't follow the various twists and turns of this one but maybe it's a case where the insiders all know it is and should be an EU call, but the British have to pretend to themselves they're making the decision themselves to stop people freaking out about them being told what to do by foreigners?
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
There is overwhelming support for plain cigarette packaging
I have 4 children and simply could not afford school dinners @£2.50 a head approx £150 a month. Paked lunches come in at £0.70 a head including fruit yogurt etc ie healthy. Unless they make dinners affordable its just another tax on the poorer families of this country. There are low income families who do not qualify free school meals.
An excellent point. Unfortunately the civil servants who come up with these ideas and the MPs who promote them are not members of low income families and probably do not have the relevant social experience to consider your situation at the inception of their scenario.
Also I am sure that with efficient catering and buying, a nutritious school dinner can be made for less then £2.50. Many families have less than that to spend (per person) on their main meals.
FWIW, (look away tim), the food budget at Bekynton [a few years ago when I was there] was 57p per boy per meal. This didn't include overhead & staff, etc/ They made some very good and nutritious meals.
I'd have thought plain packaging would be a godsend to the counterfeiters and smugglers who are making vast profits from the state's unutterably stupid and preening morality on the fag issue.
I read some organised crims are ditching heroin for cigarettes as the latter are more profitable.
Of course any cigarette made by crims is far far more dangerous than anything dreamt of by a tobacco company, id a far bigger potential threat to the health service and we get no tax.
Prohibition appears to have taught some people nothing.
Hypocritical of Labour to moan about this cigarette decision today - did they do anything about it in their years in power apart from reverse the F1 advertising ban after the Eccelston intervention?
No, thought not.
Ban this that and the other is rarely edifiying or successful. How'd that prohibition thing work out?
Miss Plato, I heard that it's because small amounts of nuts are present in a staggering array of food which, when taking by kids early on, can cause allergies to form.
I was chatting with the CEO of a allergy business a few days ago.
(her focus is on general allergens - not food which is a different sector). Two main factors - which sounds slightly contradictory but apparently are not. (1) Children are brought up in a more obsessively clean/hygienic environment so don't get to build up tolerance and (2) the level of background pollution creates hyper sensitivity in the immune system
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
Smokers are national benefactors.
They contribute more than their fair share in taxes and die earlier saving on pension costs.
martyrs to the nation's finances and they get no thanks for it.
I know. I felt so guilty when I gave up smoking.
you do realise the extra five years life you get will be sat in incontinence pants saying gaga ( or writing Labour's manifesto -same thing ) ?
Lol.
Well I could start smoking again then stop in less austere times.
Giving up smoking is easy. I've done it loads of times.
if smoking is good enough for the PM and DPM then it's good enough for the rest of us. Only girly Ed doesn't smoke and that's cause he made of plasticine.
Rather than faffing about with plain packaging etc isn't the obvious answer for those who care about smoking-related deaths/illnesses to ban smoking and the sale of cigarettes?
If smoking is legal then it is illogical to place excessive limits on how it is sold/marketed.
Just to be clear I don't smoke and don't much care one way or the other about this issue. But if harm to health is the deciding factor then it makes no sense to allow any smoking at all. The same could, of course, be said of alcohol etc.
Our approach to legislation on these "lifestyle" issues does appear a bit muddled.
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
Smokers are national benefactors.
They contribute more than their fair share in taxes and die earlier saving on pension costs.
martyrs to the nation's finances and they get no thanks for it.
I know. I felt so guilty when I gave up smoking.
you do realise the extra five years life you get will be sat in incontinence pants saying gaga ( or writing Labour's manifesto -same thing ) ?
Lol.
Well I could start smoking again then stop in less austere times.
Giving up smoking is easy. I've done it loads of times.
if smoking is good enough for the PM and DPM then it's good enough for the rest of us. Only girly Ed doesn't smoke and that's cause he made of plasticine.
Surely if Dave and Ed smoke, then that's a good reason to give up smoking.
PS - What should you do if your partner starts smoking ?
michael burke @menburke 2h ONS: #Construction is lower now even than in 2008/09 http://bit.ly/1dm5mJI When Osborne says housing is recovering, he means higher prices
The usual suspects appear to have missed the construction data, as they did the manufacturing and export announcements. Good at cheering on bubble though.
Not unlike your ability to miss every single good piece of economic news. A coincidence I'm sure. You are in absolutely no position to accuse others of being selective.
I get the very strong impression that economics isn't exactly your strong point.
You are quite right, Max, econometrics is not tim's area of expertise.
The Construction data released this morning may not be "good" in absolute terms but relative to the previous quarter they were flat which represents a big improvement on recent trends.
This bodes well for Q2 GDP as can be seen from the following ONS table:
The "Q 2013 on previous Q 2013" is the key column.
The problem with construction is the massive fall in output which followed the financial crisis and which was much larger than the general fall in GDP. On the year on year figures, further note should be taken of the distortions caused by May 2013 having one more bank holiday than May 2012.
This is shown in the ONS introduction to the above table:
The most recent estimate of gross domestic product (GDP) confirmed the UK economy grew by 0.3% in the first quarter of 2013 following a contraction of 0.2% in Q4 2012. Construction output has contrasted these recent movements, falling by 2.4% in Q1 2013 after a short-lived return to growth (0.8%) in the previous quarter.
Looking at the longer term trend, GDP has fallen by 3.9% in the five years since the first quarter of 2008, whereas construction output has fallen by 18.9% over the same time period.
Construction estimates are highly responsive to the economic cycle and have provided some of the largest downward contributions to GDP. In terms of volume, construction output fell to £23,669 million in Q1 2013. This is the lowest level since Q1 1999 and £309 million below the previous trough in Q3 2009.
Given the cold weather depressed Q1 resulted in a contraction of -2.4%, flat monthly and quarterly figures for May (and to May) are, in context, good outcomes and bode well for Q2 2013 GDP growth being solid.
The good news just won't stop coming, tim, even in areas of great diffculty for the economy.
And before you bang on about house prices, GDP growth is driven by volume not value.
To be on the safe side it might be an idea to create a genetically modified wolf killing beast and set it free across the countryside. Better safe than sorry I'd say!
Point proven. Nothing to direct at the detritus using Rigby's death.
Just before I pedal off: you obviously missed my "What they said was wrong." in my previous post.
If they are 'detritus' for using Rigby's tragic death, then what are you for using McCann's death, crying at funerals and child sex abuse?
You're now claiming Madeleine McCann is dead while praising Cameron for sending detectives out to the Algarve rather than looking for other children. You're out of your depth again.
I apologise for the mistake. I meant her disappearance.
"praising Cameron for sending detectives out to the Algarve rather than looking for other children." is particularly nasty.
In your mind are the many searches for Keith Bennett's body on Saddleworth Moor equally worthy of contempt? Should they have spent the money looking for missing children who might still be alive?
What price do you put on finding a missing child? And yes, I will praise Cameron for sending the detectives out, as it looks as though they have made some progress.
It's a shame you can not.
Off-topic: it's blooming hot out there. I think I lost half a stone cycling ten miles ...
Now Dave's personal alcohol policy goes as well. Stupid policy Dave made his own.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick After #cigarette packaging and minimum alcohol pricing, @drwollastonmp tells @bbcshaunley on #wato it's a "very sad day for public health"
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers Govt right to drop minimum alcohol pricing - political suicide in a cost of living election. Not so sure about plain cigarette packs
Suspect that being in the pocket of the tobacco companies is far more damaging.
A whole MP who wanted to go down the nanny state line - wooo good spot tim.
Will minimum pricing and plain packets be in the Labour manifesto ?
Smokers are national benefactors.
They contribute more than their fair share in taxes and die earlier saving on pension costs.
martyrs to the nation's finances and they get no thanks for it.
I know. I felt so guilty when I gave up smoking.
you do realise the extra five years life you get will be sat in incontinence pants saying gaga ( or writing Labour's manifesto -same thing ) ?
Lol.
Well I could start smoking again then stop in less austere times.
Giving up smoking is easy. I've done it loads of times.
if smoking is good enough for the PM and DPM then it's good enough for the rest of us. Only girly Ed doesn't smoke and that's cause he made of plasticine.
Surely if Dave and Ed smoke, then that's a good reason to give up smoking.
PS - What should you do if your partner starts smoking ?
Slow down and or use lubrication.
And I'll get my coat.
I get the lubrication bit TSE, but why do you want to watch me and the missus in your mac ?
"Compulsory school dinners brings the price down as the fixed costs are spread among double the number of people.
What do you put in a 70p lunch?"
When you are buying for four in bulk you can save money by for example cooking a whole chicken an which costs around £3 and it will last for 3 days dinners . You can buy 500 hrams of mild cheddar grated for £2.15 . If you know how to shop it is quite rasy to make nutricious lunches on a small budget
Yep, you must have teenagers in secondary school, I know I was 2.50p ahead for my three while at secondary school. I was forced to put my lot onto packed lunches at their first primary school as the lunches on offer were so poor. Oldest lad once got offered up school 'chicken dippers' three days in a row after they kept running out of the meals on the menu. Anyhoos, mine came home with well done/healthy lunch badges after a random inspection of what was in their lunch boxes so its pretty easy to put together a cheap, sensible, tasty and healthy packed lunch.
Once your kids hit secondary school and can leave the school premises to go shopping for their own lunch it becomes harder for both parents or the school to monitor their eating habits. Another reason why I went back to giving them a packed lunch in those early years there too.
I know one idiot who claims their kid is allergic to potatoes so they send them in with shit in a box. The same person also thinks their child should be allowed to wear their new trainers to school
From any other poster that would look awfully like an anecdote.
A story to cater for all tastes, both those who adore talking about George Osborne and those who adore talking about the Scottish Independence referendum:
The thing which puzzles me about the fag packet issue is why it's not an EU-wide decision. This strikes me as one of those rare cases where it would make sense to decide at EU level, as it's a regulation affecting the single market and also has big implications for cross-border trade (and of course for smuggling as well).
The operation of the EU is sometimes very odd.
The EU considered doing it but decided in view of the absence of any kind of consensus on the issue to leave it to Member States, though they introduced a specific ruling to protect states that did do it from complaints about free market barrirers.
By the way, I guess others have commented, and I'm not the only one for whom PB has been totally reformatted today?
Comments
And have you found any evidence to suggest that Cameron was doing a Blair on tobacco advertising yet?
Nearly a third of the 1,350 people polled believed that lead singer Annie Lennox sings: "Sweet dreams are made of cheese/Who am I to disagree?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23284179
Well I could start smoking again then stop in less austere times.
Giving up smoking is easy. I've done it loads of times.
http://news.yahoo.com/cigarette-pack-warnings-not-plain-wrappers-eu-committee-215357782.html
I didn't follow the various twists and turns of this one but maybe it's a case where the insiders all know it is and should be an EU call, but the British have to pretend to themselves they're making the decision themselves to stop people freaking out about them being told what to do by foreigners?
Surely most people average less against good teams and more against weaker ones.
Twitter is always excoriating about Bell, just find it harsh that's all
Wolves in Netherlands so they'll soon be in Britain. just how good are they at swimming ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2361758/The-wolfs-door-Killer-beasts-roaming-Western-Europe-time-100-years-sparking-fears-soon-arrive-Britain.html
I read some organised crims are ditching heroin for cigarettes as the latter are more profitable.
Of course any cigarette made by crims is far far more dangerous than anything dreamt of by a tobacco company, id a far bigger potential threat to the health service and we get no tax.
Prohibition appears to have taught some people nothing.
Hypocritical of Labour to moan about this cigarette decision today - did they do anything about it in their years in power apart from reverse the F1 advertising ban after the Eccelston intervention?
No, thought not.
Ban this that and the other is rarely edifiying or successful. How'd that prohibition thing work out?
(her focus is on general allergens - not food which is a different sector). Two main factors - which sounds slightly contradictory but apparently are not. (1) Children are brought up in a more obsessively clean/hygienic environment so don't get to build up tolerance and (2) the level of background pollution creates hyper sensitivity in the immune system
If smoking is legal then it is illogical to place excessive limits on how it is sold/marketed.
Just to be clear I don't smoke and don't much care one way or the other about this issue. But if harm to health is the deciding factor then it makes no sense to allow any smoking at all. The same could, of course, be said of alcohol etc.
Our approach to legislation on these "lifestyle" issues does appear a bit muddled.
PS - What should you do if your partner starts smoking ?
Slow down and or use lubrication.
And I'll get my coat.
The Construction data released this morning may not be "good" in absolute terms but relative to the previous quarter they were flat which represents a big improvement on recent trends.
This bodes well for Q2 GDP as can be seen from the following ONS table: The "Q 2013 on previous Q 2013" is the key column.
The problem with construction is the massive fall in output which followed the financial crisis and which was much larger than the general fall in GDP. On the year on year figures, further note should be taken of the distortions caused by May 2013 having one more bank holiday than May 2012.
This is shown in the ONS introduction to the above table:
The most recent estimate of gross domestic product (GDP) confirmed the UK economy grew by 0.3% in the first quarter of 2013 following a contraction of 0.2% in Q4 2012. Construction output has contrasted these recent movements, falling by 2.4% in Q1 2013 after a short-lived return to growth (0.8%) in the previous quarter.
Looking at the longer term trend, GDP has fallen by 3.9% in the five years since the first quarter of 2008, whereas construction output has fallen by 18.9% over the same time period.
Construction estimates are highly responsive to the economic cycle and have provided some of the largest downward contributions to GDP. In terms of volume, construction output fell to £23,669 million in Q1 2013. This is the lowest level since Q1 1999 and £309 million below the previous trough in Q3 2009.
Given the cold weather depressed Q1 resulted in a contraction of -2.4%, flat monthly and quarterly figures for May (and to May) are, in context, good outcomes and bode well for Q2 2013 GDP growth being solid.
The good news just won't stop coming, tim, even in areas of great diffculty for the economy.
And before you bang on about house prices, GDP growth is driven by volume not value.
"praising Cameron for sending detectives out to the Algarve rather than looking for other children." is particularly nasty.
In your mind are the many searches for Keith Bennett's body on Saddleworth Moor equally worthy of contempt? Should they have spent the money looking for missing children who might still be alive?
What price do you put on finding a missing child? And yes, I will praise Cameron for sending the detectives out, as it looks as though they have made some progress.
It's a shame you can not.
Off-topic: it's blooming hot out there. I think I lost half a stone cycling ten miles ...
Once your kids hit secondary school and can leave the school premises to go shopping for their own lunch it becomes harder for both parents or the school to monitor their eating habits. Another reason why I went back to giving them a packed lunch in those early years there too.
Some things never change
They could indeed, but so could UKIP and the greens have at least had an MP whereas NF and the kippers still don't.
What are Osbrowne's approval ratings again? *chortle*
A Whitehall insider likened the battle to "professionals versus amateurs"."
Was it the same 'professional' insider responsible for this? "staggering" stuff from the master strategist Osbrowne.
*tears of laughter etc*
By the way, I guess others have commented, and I'm not the only one for whom PB has been totally reformatted today?